Do not diet?

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Martha Gallagher said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <cBrFe.44812$%K2.5599@pd7tw1no>, "Tom G" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

"Cubit" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> This has the kind of URL that suggests it is a creation in someone's
> personal webpage space.
>
> The review of the study fails to address re-gain among the
> participants.
> Since most dieters re-gain, such a study needs to identify those few
> who
> lose and then maintain.

I agree. Since 95% of dieters regain the weight, it is likely they
haven't changed their lifestyle and risk factors to gain any benefit.
It's
probably true that maintaining would have been a better option in that
case.
Articles like this one are more confusing then informative and tend to
leave out important data in order to draw their conclusions.

And then there is the malnutrition factor...
How many "dieters" are good about taking supplements?

I know that some of the problems (such as hair thinning) are due to the
fact that I tend to be lazy about taking my supplements which, IMHO, are
100% necessary when cutting back on food volume. I look and feel better
when I take my damned pills!

Really? I don't take any supplements. I did for a while, but could never
remember which ones w/ meals, which seperate from the others, etc, etc.

I have nothing to suggest that I have any dietary deficiencies, and indeed
my folic acid level is quite high for someone who isn't eating all the
processed foods that have it added back in. Of course I eat a wide variety
of foods, esp. lots of vegetables, including mushrooms and green leafy
salads. I also eat mostly organically grown foods and I think they may
have better nutrient composition than veggies grown on overfarmed fields.

I eat mostly meat and don't eat enough veggies.
I try to keep total carbs under 20 grams per day and have done so for
the past 7 months.

I'm bound to end up with deficiencies. ;-)
More frequent fish seems to reverse the hair loss, so it's most likely
an EFA deficiency. It's hard to supplement that even with the use of
olive oil and eating some nuts now and then.

Quoted message said:

I'm not saying that some people don't need supplements, and certainly you
should take whatever makes you feel healthiest. But, as far as I'm
concerned, a low carb diet that's heavily based on low carb veggies should
supply the nutrients most people need.

Martha

Providing you do it right. <lol>
Seems a lot of people don't including myself, and I know better!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article
<[email hidden]>,

Martha Gallagher said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <cBrFe.44812$%K2.5599@pd7tw1no>, "Tom G" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

"Cubit" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> This has the kind of URL that suggests it is a creation in someone's
> personal webpage space.
>
> The review of the study fails to address re-gain among the
> participants.
> Since most dieters re-gain, such a study needs to identify those few
> who
> lose and then maintain.

I agree. Since 95% of dieters regain the weight, it is likely they
haven't changed their lifestyle and risk factors to gain any benefit.
It's
probably true that maintaining would have been a better option in that
case.
Articles like this one are more confusing then informative and tend to
leave out important data in order to draw their conclusions.

And then there is the malnutrition factor...
How many "dieters" are good about taking supplements?

I know that some of the problems (such as hair thinning) are due to the
fact that I tend to be lazy about taking my supplements which, IMHO, are
100% necessary when cutting back on food volume. I look and feel better
when I take my damned pills!

Really? I don't take any supplements. I did for a while, but could never
remember which ones w/ meals, which seperate from the others, etc, etc.

I have nothing to suggest that I have any dietary deficiencies, and indeed
my folic acid level is quite high for someone who isn't eating all the
processed foods that have it added back in. Of course I eat a wide variety
of foods, esp. lots of vegetables, including mushrooms and green leafy
salads. I also eat mostly organically grown foods and I think they may
have better nutrient composition than veggies grown on overfarmed fields.

I eat mostly meat and don't eat enough veggies.
I try to keep total carbs under 20 grams per day and have done so for
the past 7 months.

I'm bound to end up with deficiencies. ;-)
More frequent fish seems to reverse the hair loss, so it's most likely
an EFA deficiency. It's hard to supplement that even with the use of
olive oil and eating some nuts now and then.

Quoted message said:

I'm not saying that some people don't need supplements, and certainly you
should take whatever makes you feel healthiest. But, as far as I'm
concerned, a low carb diet that's heavily based on low carb veggies should
supply the nutrients most people need.

Martha

Providing you do it right. <lol>
Seems a lot of people don't including myself, and I know better!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article
<[email hidden]>,

Martha Gallagher said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <cBrFe.44812$%K2.5599@pd7tw1no>, "Tom G" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

"Cubit" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> This has the kind of URL that suggests it is a creation in someone's
> personal webpage space.
>
> The review of the study fails to address re-gain among the
> participants.
> Since most dieters re-gain, such a study needs to identify those few
> who
> lose and then maintain.

I agree. Since 95% of dieters regain the weight, it is likely they
haven't changed their lifestyle and risk factors to gain any benefit.
It's
probably true that maintaining would have been a better option in that
case.
Articles like this one are more confusing then informative and tend to
leave out important data in order to draw their conclusions.

And then there is the malnutrition factor...
How many "dieters" are good about taking supplements?

I know that some of the problems (such as hair thinning) are due to the
fact that I tend to be lazy about taking my supplements which, IMHO, are
100% necessary when cutting back on food volume. I look and feel better
when I take my damned pills!

Really? I don't take any supplements. I did for a while, but could never
remember which ones w/ meals, which seperate from the others, etc, etc.

I have nothing to suggest that I have any dietary deficiencies, and indeed
my folic acid level is quite high for someone who isn't eating all the
processed foods that have it added back in. Of course I eat a wide variety
of foods, esp. lots of vegetables, including mushrooms and green leafy
salads. I also eat mostly organically grown foods and I think they may
have better nutrient composition than veggies grown on overfarmed fields.

I eat mostly meat and don't eat enough veggies.
I try to keep total carbs under 20 grams per day and have done so for
the past 7 months.

I'm bound to end up with deficiencies. ;-)
More frequent fish seems to reverse the hair loss, so it's most likely
an EFA deficiency. It's hard to supplement that even with the use of
olive oil and eating some nuts now and then.

Quoted message said:

I'm not saying that some people don't need supplements, and certainly you
should take whatever makes you feel healthiest. But, as far as I'm
concerned, a low carb diet that's heavily based on low carb veggies should
supply the nutrients most people need.

Martha

Providing you do it right. <lol>
Seems a lot of people don't including myself, and I know better!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article <PHtFe.45861$s54.1521@pd7tw2no>, "Tom G" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

In article <cBrFe.44812$%K2.5599@pd7tw1no>, "Tom G" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Articles like this one are more confusing then informative and tend to
leave out important data in order to draw their conclusions.

And then there is the malnutrition factor...

Yes. If a person crash diets each time, they are likely going through
several periods during their life time of not getting sufficient nutrients
and vitamins for a few months at a time. Then the rapid weight gains
afterward would also be harmful.

Quoted message said:

How many "dieters" are good about taking supplements?

I take a multi-vitamin supplement on weight training days only right now.
When I started dieting, it was taken every day. It's tough to get all the
nutrients when food is quite restricted while dieting, so it's probably a
good idea. I tend to think that vitamins, nutrients and fiber are best if
derived from real food.

As much as possible, but you have to eat sufficient food!
Fiber, to date, has not been an issue.

B-vitamins OTOH....... and EFA's.

Quoted message said:

It's likely that my suspicious feelings for the food
and drug industry play a part in the way I feel.

--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article <PHtFe.45861$s54.1521@pd7tw2no>, "Tom G" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

In article <cBrFe.44812$%K2.5599@pd7tw1no>, "Tom G" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Articles like this one are more confusing then informative and tend to
leave out important data in order to draw their conclusions.

And then there is the malnutrition factor...

Yes. If a person crash diets each time, they are likely going through
several periods during their life time of not getting sufficient nutrients
and vitamins for a few months at a time. Then the rapid weight gains
afterward would also be harmful.

Quoted message said:

How many "dieters" are good about taking supplements?

I take a multi-vitamin supplement on weight training days only right now.
When I started dieting, it was taken every day. It's tough to get all the
nutrients when food is quite restricted while dieting, so it's probably a
good idea. I tend to think that vitamins, nutrients and fiber are best if
derived from real food.

As much as possible, but you have to eat sufficient food!
Fiber, to date, has not been an issue.

B-vitamins OTOH....... and EFA's.

Quoted message said:

It's likely that my suspicious feelings for the food
and drug industry play a part in the way I feel.

--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article <PHtFe.45861$s54.1521@pd7tw2no>, "Tom G" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

In article <cBrFe.44812$%K2.5599@pd7tw1no>, "Tom G" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Articles like this one are more confusing then informative and tend to
leave out important data in order to draw their conclusions.

And then there is the malnutrition factor...

Yes. If a person crash diets each time, they are likely going through
several periods during their life time of not getting sufficient nutrients
and vitamins for a few months at a time. Then the rapid weight gains
afterward would also be harmful.

Quoted message said:

How many "dieters" are good about taking supplements?

I take a multi-vitamin supplement on weight training days only right now.
When I started dieting, it was taken every day. It's tough to get all the
nutrients when food is quite restricted while dieting, so it's probably a
good idea. I tend to think that vitamins, nutrients and fiber are best if
derived from real food.

As much as possible, but you have to eat sufficient food!
Fiber, to date, has not been an issue.

B-vitamins OTOH....... and EFA's.

Quoted message said:

It's likely that my suspicious feelings for the food
and drug industry play a part in the way I feel.

--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

Martha Gallagher said:

Really? I don't take any supplements. I did for a while, but could never
remember which ones w/ meals, which seperate from the others, etc, etc.

I have nothing to suggest that I have any dietary deficiencies, and indeed
my folic acid level is quite high for someone who isn't eating all the
processed foods that have it added back in. Of course I eat a wide variety
of foods, esp. lots of vegetables, including mushrooms and green leafy
salads. I also eat mostly organically grown foods and I think they may
have better nutrient composition than veggies grown on overfarmed fields.

I'm not saying that some people don't need supplements, and certainly you
should take whatever makes you feel healthiest. But, as far as I'm
concerned, a low carb diet that's heavily based on low carb veggies should
supply the nutrients most people need.

Martha

I'm routinely low on A, D, and calcium since I've
lowered daily calories.

Marsha/Ohio

Martha Gallagher said:

Really? I don't take any supplements. I did for a while, but could never
remember which ones w/ meals, which seperate from the others, etc, etc.

I have nothing to suggest that I have any dietary deficiencies, and indeed
my folic acid level is quite high for someone who isn't eating all the
processed foods that have it added back in. Of course I eat a wide variety
of foods, esp. lots of vegetables, including mushrooms and green leafy
salads. I also eat mostly organically grown foods and I think they may
have better nutrient composition than veggies grown on overfarmed fields.

I'm not saying that some people don't need supplements, and certainly you
should take whatever makes you feel healthiest. But, as far as I'm
concerned, a low carb diet that's heavily based on low carb veggies should
supply the nutrients most people need.

Martha

I'm routinely low on A, D, and calcium since I've
lowered daily calories.

Marsha/Ohio

Martha Gallagher said:

Really? I don't take any supplements. I did for a while, but could never
remember which ones w/ meals, which seperate from the others, etc, etc.

I have nothing to suggest that I have any dietary deficiencies, and indeed
my folic acid level is quite high for someone who isn't eating all the
processed foods that have it added back in. Of course I eat a wide variety
of foods, esp. lots of vegetables, including mushrooms and green leafy
salads. I also eat mostly organically grown foods and I think they may
have better nutrient composition than veggies grown on overfarmed fields.

I'm not saying that some people don't need supplements, and certainly you
should take whatever makes you feel healthiest. But, as far as I'm
concerned, a low carb diet that's heavily based on low carb veggies should
supply the nutrients most people need.

Martha

I'm routinely low on A, D, and calcium since I've
lowered daily calories.

Marsha/Ohio

Martha Gallagher said:

Really? I don't take any supplements. I did for a while, but could never
remember which ones w/ meals, which seperate from the others, etc, etc.

I have nothing to suggest that I have any dietary deficiencies, and indeed
my folic acid level is quite high for someone who isn't eating all the
processed foods that have it added back in. Of course I eat a wide variety
of foods, esp. lots of vegetables, including mushrooms and green leafy
salads. I also eat mostly organically grown foods and I think they may
have better nutrient composition than veggies grown on overfarmed fields.

I'm not saying that some people don't need supplements, and certainly you
should take whatever makes you feel healthiest. But, as far as I'm
concerned, a low carb diet that's heavily based on low carb veggies should
supply the nutrients most people need.

Martha

I'm routinely low on A, D, and calcium since I've
lowered daily calories.

Marsha/Ohio

Martha Gallagher said:

Really? I don't take any supplements. I did for a while, but could never
remember which ones w/ meals, which seperate from the others, etc, etc.

I have nothing to suggest that I have any dietary deficiencies, and indeed
my folic acid level is quite high for someone who isn't eating all the
processed foods that have it added back in. Of course I eat a wide variety
of foods, esp. lots of vegetables, including mushrooms and green leafy
salads. I also eat mostly organically grown foods and I think they may
have better nutrient composition than veggies grown on overfarmed fields.

I'm not saying that some people don't need supplements, and certainly you
should take whatever makes you feel healthiest. But, as far as I'm
concerned, a low carb diet that's heavily based on low carb veggies should
supply the nutrients most people need.

Martha

I'm routinely low on A, D, and calcium since I've
lowered daily calories.

Marsha/Ohio

Martha Gallagher said:

Really? I don't take any supplements. I did for a while, but could never
remember which ones w/ meals, which seperate from the others, etc, etc.

I have nothing to suggest that I have any dietary deficiencies, and indeed
my folic acid level is quite high for someone who isn't eating all the
processed foods that have it added back in. Of course I eat a wide variety
of foods, esp. lots of vegetables, including mushrooms and green leafy
salads. I also eat mostly organically grown foods and I think they may
have better nutrient composition than veggies grown on overfarmed fields.

I'm not saying that some people don't need supplements, and certainly you
should take whatever makes you feel healthiest. But, as far as I'm
concerned, a low carb diet that's heavily based on low carb veggies should
supply the nutrients most people need.

Martha

I'm routinely low on A, D, and calcium since I've
lowered daily calories.

Marsha/Ohio

Switch to hemp oil for your salads. It's the perfect combo of EFA's all in
one oil and you only need 1 tbsp/day. And it tastes like sunflower seeds.
I've never liked the taste of olive oil. :-(

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

I'm bound to end up with deficiencies. ;-)
More frequent fish seems to reverse the hair loss, so it's most likely
an EFA deficiency. It's hard to supplement that even with the use of
olive oil and eating some nuts now and then.

-----
Bev

Switch to hemp oil for your salads. It's the perfect combo of EFA's all in
one oil and you only need 1 tbsp/day. And it tastes like sunflower seeds.
I've never liked the taste of olive oil. :-(

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

I'm bound to end up with deficiencies. ;-)
More frequent fish seems to reverse the hair loss, so it's most likely
an EFA deficiency. It's hard to supplement that even with the use of
olive oil and eating some nuts now and then.

-----
Bev

Switch to hemp oil for your salads. It's the perfect combo of EFA's all in
one oil and you only need 1 tbsp/day. And it tastes like sunflower seeds.
I've never liked the taste of olive oil. :-(

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

I'm bound to end up with deficiencies. ;-)
More frequent fish seems to reverse the hair loss, so it's most likely
an EFA deficiency. It's hard to supplement that even with the use of
olive oil and eating some nuts now and then.

-----
Bev

Switch to hemp oil for your salads. It's the perfect combo of EFA's all in
one oil and you only need 1 tbsp/day. And it tastes like sunflower seeds.
I've never liked the taste of olive oil. :-(

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

I'm bound to end up with deficiencies. ;-)
More frequent fish seems to reverse the hair loss, so it's most likely
an EFA deficiency. It's hard to supplement that even with the use of
olive oil and eating some nuts now and then.

-----
Bev

Switch to hemp oil for your salads. It's the perfect combo of EFA's all in
one oil and you only need 1 tbsp/day. And it tastes like sunflower seeds.
I've never liked the taste of olive oil. :-(

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

I'm bound to end up with deficiencies. ;-)
More frequent fish seems to reverse the hair loss, so it's most likely
an EFA deficiency. It's hard to supplement that even with the use of
olive oil and eating some nuts now and then.

-----
Bev

Switch to hemp oil for your salads. It's the perfect combo of EFA's all in
one oil and you only need 1 tbsp/day. And it tastes like sunflower seeds.
I've never liked the taste of olive oil. :-(

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

I'm bound to end up with deficiencies. ;-)
More frequent fish seems to reverse the hair loss, so it's most likely
an EFA deficiency. It's hard to supplement that even with the use of
olive oil and eating some nuts now and then.

-----
Bev

Switch to hemp oil for your salads. It's the perfect combo of EFA's all in
one oil and you only need 1 tbsp/day. And it tastes like sunflower seeds.
I've never liked the taste of olive oil. :-(

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

I'm bound to end up with deficiencies. ;-)
More frequent fish seems to reverse the hair loss, so it's most likely
an EFA deficiency. It's hard to supplement that even with the use of
olive oil and eating some nuts now and then.

-----
Bev

Roger Zoul wrote:
|| Overweight? Why You Should NOT Diet
||
|| It seems like common sense: If you're overweight or obese, lose
|| those extra pounds and you'll be healthier. Hold onto your scales!
|| Two studies suggest that losing weight may not be the best health
|| decision for overweight people
||
||
http://channels.netscape.com/ns/homerealestate/package.jsp?name=fte/donnotdiet/donnotdiet

So now all that's missing is the long-term study showing that fat people who
exercise have a higher long-term mortality rate than fat people who don't
exercise ...

Peter