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is not as good as Green Tea Extract. :-)
Just started using GTE again this morning and OH what a difference, 1
hour pre-workout!!!
No more Sugar Free Red Bull. It's too damned expensive anyway........
--
Om.
"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson
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Quoted message said:is not as good as Green Tea Extract. :-)
Just started using GTE again this morning and OH what a difference, 1
hour pre-workout!!!No more Sugar Free Red Bull. It's too damned expensive anyway........
I take it you're *not* using the decap version of green tea extract. 🙂
I've only taken decaf green tea extract - can you give some of the
nutritional information from the brand you're taking? Just curious -
I'm happy with my caffeine from tea and coffee.
Quoted message said:--
Om."My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack
Nicholson
Steve Freides said:OmManiPadmeOmelet said:is not as good as Green Tea Extract. :-)
Just started using GTE again this morning and OH what a difference, 1
hour pre-workout!!!No more Sugar Free Red Bull. It's too damned expensive anyway........
I take it you're *not* using the decap version of green tea extract. 🙂
Do I need to explain again that caffeine is NOT the primary stimulant,
nor even a substantial stimulant, in green tea?
"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:Steve Freides said:OmManiPadmeOmelet said:is not as good as Green Tea Extract. :-)
Just started using GTE again this morning and OH what a difference,
1
hour pre-workout!!!No more Sugar Free Red Bull. It's too damned expensive
anyway........I take it you're *not* using the decap version of green tea extract.
🙂Do I need to explain again that caffeine is NOT the primary stimulant,
nor even a substantial stimulant, in green tea?
Yes, you do. I don't find the green tea extract I take has a stimulant
effect on me at all - maybe I don't take enough of it. I also drink the
stuff and don't find a stimulant effect from it that way, either.
Please do explain, thanks.
Steve Freides said:JMW said:Steve Freides said:"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> is not as good as Green Tea Extract. :-)
>
> Just started using GTE again this morning and OH what a difference,
> 1
> hour pre-workout!!!
>
> No more Sugar Free Red Bull. It's too damned expensive
> anyway........I take it you're *not* using the decap version of green tea extract.
🙂Do I need to explain again that caffeine is NOT the primary stimulant,
nor even a substantial stimulant, in green tea?Yes, you do. I don't find the green tea extract I take has a stimulant
effect on me at all - maybe I don't take enough of it. I also drink the
stuff and don't find a stimulant effect from it that way, either.
Please do explain, thanks.
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/misc.fitness.weights/msg/5ce51f783f848816?dmode=source&hl=en
(http://tinyurl.com/a7umt)
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Quoted message said:Steve Freides said:JMW said:Steve Freides wrote:
> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> > is not as good as Green Tea Extract. :-)
> >
> > Just started using GTE again this morning and OH what a
> > difference,
> > 1
> > hour pre-workout!!!
> >
> > No more Sugar Free Red Bull. It's too damned expensive
> > anyway........
>
> I take it you're *not* using the decap version of green tea
> extract.
> 🙂Do I need to explain again that caffeine is NOT the primary
stimulant,
nor even a substantial stimulant, in green tea?Yes, you do. I don't find the green tea extract I take has a
stimulant
effect on me at all - maybe I don't take enough of it. I also drink
the
stuff and don't find a stimulant effect from it that way, either.
Please do explain, thanks.http://groups-beta.google.com/group/misc.fitness.weights/msg/5ce51f783f848816?dmode=source&hl=en
(http://tinyurl.com/a7umt)
Well that's Greek to me. Care to try it in lay-person English,
comparing a cup of coffee with a cup of green tea and a single typical
green tea extract pill (I'll gladly post the notional content of the
ones I'm taking).
In article <[email hidden]>,
Steve Freides said:"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...Quoted message said:is not as good as Green Tea Extract. :-)
Just started using GTE again this morning and OH what a difference, 1
hour pre-workout!!!No more Sugar Free Red Bull. It's too damned expensive anyway........
I take it you're *not* using the decap version of green tea extract. 🙂
I've only taken decaf green tea extract - can you give some of the
nutritional information from the brand you're taking? Just curious -
I'm happy with my caffeine from tea and coffee.-S-
No, and I cannot _stand_ the taste of Green Tea!
I am taking the extract capsules.
630 mg. of extract per dose, currently using "Rexal" brand.
I've been trying to get away from using Aspartame which is in the sugar
free Red Bull. It interferes with ketosis so slows my weight loss. :-P
Nutritional info.? Well, it's encapsulated green tea extract. ;-)
See standardized dosage above.
--
Om.
"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson
In article <[email hidden]>,
JMW said:Steve Freides said:OmManiPadmeOmelet said:is not as good as Green Tea Extract. :-)
Just started using GTE again this morning and OH what a difference, 1
hour pre-workout!!!No more Sugar Free Red Bull. It's too damned expensive anyway........
I take it you're *not* using the decap version of green tea extract. 🙂
Do I need to explain again that caffeine is NOT the primary stimulant,
nor even a substantial stimulant, in green tea?
No, I knew that.
Caffiene is also not the only stimulant in Red Bull. ;-)
Otherwise I'd just drink coffee!
Or take a Vivarin........
--
Om.
"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson
In article <[email hidden]>,
Steve Freides said:"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...Quoted message said:Steve Freides said:"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> is not as good as Green Tea Extract. :-)
>
> Just started using GTE again this morning and OH what a difference,
> 1
> hour pre-workout!!!
>
> No more Sugar Free Red Bull. It's too damned expensive
> anyway........I take it you're *not* using the decap version of green tea extract.
🙂Do I need to explain again that caffeine is NOT the primary stimulant,
nor even a substantial stimulant, in green tea?Yes, you do. I don't find the green tea extract I take has a stimulant
effect on me at all - maybe I don't take enough of it. I also drink the
stuff and don't find a stimulant effect from it that way, either.
Please do explain, thanks.
What is your dosage?
--
Om.
"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson
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Quoted message said:In article <[email hidden]>,
Steve Freides said:"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...Quoted message said:Steve Freides wrote:
> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> > is not as good as Green Tea Extract. :-)
> >
> > Just started using GTE again this morning and OH what a
> > difference,
> > 1
> > hour pre-workout!!!
> >
> > No more Sugar Free Red Bull. It's too damned expensive
> > anyway........
>
> I take it you're *not* using the decap version of green tea
> extract.
> 🙂Do I need to explain again that caffeine is NOT the primary
stimulant,
nor even a substantial stimulant, in green tea?Yes, you do. I don't find the green tea extract I take has a
stimulant
effect on me at all - maybe I don't take enough of it. I also drink
the
stuff and don't find a stimulant effect from it that way, either.
Please do explain, thanks.What is your dosage?
Brand: Pure Encapsulations, Inc., Sudbury, MA
Ingredients/contents listed as:
Vitamin C: 3mg
Gree Tea Extract (Leaf) : 100mg
providing
total tea catechins minimum 90%
epigallocatechin gallate (EGCg) minimum 70%
caffeine less than 0.42 mg per capsule
Quoted message said:--
Om."My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack
Nicholson
In article <[email hidden]>,
Steve Freides said:"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...Quoted message said:Steve Freides said:"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> Steve Freides wrote:
>> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> > is not as good as Green Tea Extract. :-)
>> >
>> > Just started using GTE again this morning and OH what a
>> > difference,
>> > 1
>> > hour pre-workout!!!
>> >
>> > No more Sugar Free Red Bull. It's too damned expensive
>> > anyway........
>>
>> I take it you're *not* using the decap version of green tea
>> extract.
>> 🙂
>
> Do I need to explain again that caffeine is NOT the primary
> stimulant,
> nor even a substantial stimulant, in green tea?Yes, you do. I don't find the green tea extract I take has a
stimulant
effect on me at all - maybe I don't take enough of it. I also drink
the
stuff and don't find a stimulant effect from it that way, either.
Please do explain, thanks.http://groups-beta.google.com/group/misc.fitness.weights/msg/5ce51f783f84881
6?dmode=source&hl=en
(http://tinyurl.com/a7umt)Well that's Greek to me. Care to try it in lay-person English,
comparing a cup of coffee with a cup of green tea and a single typical
green tea extract pill (I'll gladly post the notional content of the
ones I'm taking).
It has other chemicals in it that stimulate the body's own natural
stimulators, norepinephrine being one of them. ;-)
I find the effects of green tea extract to be subtle.
Not overwhelming like Ephedrine HCL or 10mg. of generic Adderall
(Amphetamines).
Green Tea Extract increases my ability to pedal faster and longer on the
life cycle, as well as a slight increase in strength and motivation.
Red Bull did the same thing, but not quite as well.
I have a prescription for Adderal from my Dr. for weight loss. I do NOT
take it before going to the gym! Ever! I'm afraid to as it raises my
heart rate.
And exercise is enough of an appetite depressant for me. <G> I know you
are supposed to eat after a workout, but the very idea of food makes me
nauseous for a good hour or so after I get home. :-p
--
Om.
"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson
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news:[email hidden]...Quoted message said:In article <[email hidden]>,
Steve Freides said:"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> Steve Freides wrote:
>> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> > is not as good as Green Tea Extract. :-)
>> >
>> > Just started using GTE again this morning and OH what a
>> > difference,
>> > 1
>> > hour pre-workout!!!
>> >
>> > No more Sugar Free Red Bull. It's too damned expensive
>> > anyway........
>>
>> I take it you're *not* using the decap version of green tea
>> extract.
>> 🙂
>
> Do I need to explain again that caffeine is NOT the primary
> stimulant,
> nor even a substantial stimulant, in green tea?Yes, you do. I don't find the green tea extract I take has a
stimulant
effect on me at all - maybe I don't take enough of it. I also drink
the
stuff and don't find a stimulant effect from it that way, either.
Please do explain, thanks.What is your dosage?
Brand: Pure Encapsulations, Inc., Sudbury, MA
Ingredients/contents listed as:
Vitamin C: 3mg
Gree Tea Extract (Leaf) : 100mg
providing
total tea catechins minimum 90%
epigallocatechin gallate (EGCg) minimum 70%
caffeine less than 0.42 mg per capsule-S-
100 mg...
No wonder! :-)
The recent study I read used 1,000 to 1,200 mg. per day.
These have 315 eacg and the recommended dosage is 2 capsules for a dose
of 630 mg. twice per day.
15% polyphenols. The only other ingredients are silica (which is a
drying agent) and the Gelatin capsule, and Calcium Sulfate.
I'm buying these at Wal-mart. I've been amazed lately at their
supplement selection! I normally go to the health food store, but the
jerks don't open until 10 am and I get out of the gym at 9 am. I have
too much to do before having to go to sleep to waste an hour, and
Wal-mart is open 24/7.
I work midnight shifts so sleep in the afternoon......
--
Om.
"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson
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Quoted message said:In article <[email hidden]>,
Steve Freides said:"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...Quoted message said:In article <[email hidden]>,
"Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote:> "JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
> > Steve Freides wrote:
> >> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >> > is not as good as Green Tea Extract. :-)
> >> >
> >> > Just started using GTE again this morning and OH what a
> >> > difference,
> >> > 1
> >> > hour pre-workout!!!
> >> >
> >> > No more Sugar Free Red Bull. It's too damned expensive
> >> > anyway........
> >>
> >> I take it you're *not* using the decap version of green tea
> >> extract.
> >> 🙂
> >
> > Do I need to explain again that caffeine is NOT the primary
> > stimulant,
> > nor even a substantial stimulant, in green tea?
>
> Yes, you do. I don't find the green tea extract I take has a
> stimulant
> effect on me at all - maybe I don't take enough of it. I also
> drink
> the
> stuff and don't find a stimulant effect from it that way, either.
> Please do explain, thanks.
>
> -S-
> http://www.kbnj.com
>
>What is your dosage?
Brand: Pure Encapsulations, Inc., Sudbury, MA
Ingredients/contents listed as:
Vitamin C: 3mg
Gree Tea Extract (Leaf) : 100mg
providing
total tea catechins minimum 90%
epigallocatechin gallate (EGCg) minimum 70%
caffeine less than 0.42 mg per capsule-S-
100 mg...
No wonder! :-)
The recent study I read used 1,000 to 1,200 mg. per day.
These have 315 eacg and the recommended dosage is 2 capsules for a
dose
of 630 mg. twice per day.
So you're taking 12+ times as much as I'm taking? I just take one in
the mornings.
Quoted message said:15% polyphenols. The only other ingredients are silica (which is a
drying agent) and the Gelatin capsule, and Calcium Sulfate.I'm buying these at Wal-mart. I've been amazed lately at their
supplement selection! I normally go to the health food store, but the
jerks don't open until 10 am and I get out of the gym at 9 am. I have
too much to do before having to go to sleep to waste an hour, and
Wal-mart is open 24/7.I work midnight shifts so sleep in the afternoon......
--
Om."My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack
Nicholson
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news:[email hidden]...Quoted message said:In article <[email hidden]>,
Steve Freides said:"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> In article <[email hidden]>,
> "Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>> "JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>> news:[email hidden]...
>> > Steve Freides wrote:
>> >> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> >> > is not as good as Green Tea Extract. :-)
>> >> >
>> >> > Just started using GTE again this morning and OH what a
>> >> > difference,
>> >> > 1
>> >> > hour pre-workout!!!
>> >> >
>> >> > No more Sugar Free Red Bull. It's too damned expensive
>> >> > anyway........
>> >>
>> >> I take it you're *not* using the decap version of green tea
>> >> extract.
>> >> 🙂
>> >
>> > Do I need to explain again that caffeine is NOT the primary
>> > stimulant,
>> > nor even a substantial stimulant, in green tea?
>>
>> Yes, you do. I don't find the green tea extract I take has a
>> stimulant
>> effect on me at all - maybe I don't take enough of it. I also
>> drink
>> the
>> stuff and don't find a stimulant effect from it that way, either.
>> Please do explain, thanks.
>>
>> -S-
>> http://www.kbnj.com
>>
>>
>
> What is your dosage?Brand: Pure Encapsulations, Inc., Sudbury, MA
Ingredients/contents listed as:
Vitamin C: 3mg
Gree Tea Extract (Leaf) : 100mg
providing
total tea catechins minimum 90%
epigallocatechin gallate (EGCg) minimum 70%
caffeine less than 0.42 mg per capsule-S-
100 mg...
No wonder! :-)
The recent study I read used 1,000 to 1,200 mg. per day.
These have 315 each and the recommended dosage is 2 capsules for a
dose
of 630 mg. twice per day.So you're taking 12+ times as much as I'm taking? I just take one in
the mornings.-S-
Seems so, but even with this dose, the effects are subtle.
Not overwhelming, just somewhat invigorating. Remember, when I go to the
gym, I'm coming off of an 8.5 hour work shift and a 30 minute commute...
Might want to compare your brand against others.
I wonder tho', does it say 100 mg. Green tea extract or one of the
active ingredients???
We might be reading two different things on our bottles.
Mine says 315 mg. GTE but 95 mg. polyphenols. That is per capsule and
the dosage is 2 caps. I take that twice per day. Once before going to
work and once before I go to the gym.
--
Om.
"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson
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Quoted message said:In article <[email hidden]>,
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news:[email hidden]...Quoted message said:In article <[email hidden]>,
"Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote:> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
> > In article <[email hidden]>,
> > "Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >
> >> "JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email hidden]...
> >> > Steve Freides wrote:
> >> >> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >> >> > is not as good as Green Tea Extract. :-)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Just started using GTE again this morning and OH what a
> >> >> > difference,
> >> >> > 1
> >> >> > hour pre-workout!!!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > No more Sugar Free Red Bull. It's too damned expensive
> >> >> > anyway........
> >> >>
> >> >> I take it you're *not* using the decap version of green tea
> >> >> extract.
> >> >> 🙂
> >> >
> >> > Do I need to explain again that caffeine is NOT the primary
> >> > stimulant,
> >> > nor even a substantial stimulant, in green tea?
> >>
> >> Yes, you do. I don't find the green tea extract I take has a
> >> stimulant
> >> effect on me at all - maybe I don't take enough of it. I also
> >> drink
> >> the
> >> stuff and don't find a stimulant effect from it that way,
> >> either.
> >> Please do explain, thanks.
> >>
> >> -S-
> >> http://www.kbnj.com
> >>
> >>
> >
> > What is your dosage?
>
> Brand: Pure Encapsulations, Inc., Sudbury, MA
>
> Ingredients/contents listed as:
>
> Vitamin C: 3mg
>
> Gree Tea Extract (Leaf) : 100mg
> providing
> total tea catechins minimum 90%
> epigallocatechin gallate (EGCg) minimum 70%
> caffeine less than 0.42 mg per capsule
>
> -S-100 mg...
No wonder! :-)
The recent study I read used 1,000 to 1,200 mg. per day.
These have 315 each and the recommended dosage is 2 capsules for a
dose
of 630 mg. twice per day.So you're taking 12+ times as much as I'm taking? I just take one in
the mornings.-S-
Seems so, but even with this dose, the effects are subtle.
Not overwhelming, just somewhat invigorating. Remember, when I go to
the
gym, I'm coming off of an 8.5 hour work shift and a 30 minute
commute...Might want to compare your brand against others.
I wonder tho', does it say 100 mg. Green tea extract or one of the
active ingredients???We might be reading two different things on our bottles.
Mine says 315 mg. GTE but 95 mg. polyphenols. That is per capsule and
the dosage is 2 caps. I take that twice per day. Once before going to
work and once before I go to the gym.
Mine is what I said, 100mg green tea extract, with a guarantee that the
two listed items are present in the GTE to the minimum percentages
listed. I showed everything that's on the label. I did find another
brand of GTE that said it guaranteed only 65% of the main ingredient,
whereas this one guarantees 90% and also calls itself a standarized
extract, which the lower percentage one did not.
Quoted message said:--
Om."My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack
Nicholson
In article <[email hidden]>,
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news:[email hidden]...Quoted message said:In article <[email hidden]>,
Steve Freides said:"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> In article <[email hidden]>,
> "Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>> news:[email hidden]...
>> > In article <[email hidden]>,
>> > "Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>> >> news:[email hidden]...
>> >> > Steve Freides wrote:
>> >> >> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> >> >> > is not as good as Green Tea Extract. :-)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Just started using GTE again this morning and OH what a
>> >> >> > difference,
>> >> >> > 1
>> >> >> > hour pre-workout!!!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > No more Sugar Free Red Bull. It's too damned expensive
>> >> >> > anyway........
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I take it you're *not* using the decap version of green tea
>> >> >> extract.
>> >> >> 🙂
>> >> >
>> >> > Do I need to explain again that caffeine is NOT the primary
>> >> > stimulant,
>> >> > nor even a substantial stimulant, in green tea?
>> >>
>> >> Yes, you do. I don't find the green tea extract I take has a
>> >> stimulant
>> >> effect on me at all - maybe I don't take enough of it. I also
>> >> drink
>> >> the
>> >> stuff and don't find a stimulant effect from it that way,
>> >> either.
>> >> Please do explain, thanks.
>> >>
>> >> -S-
>> >> http://www.kbnj.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > What is your dosage?
>>
>> Brand: Pure Encapsulations, Inc., Sudbury, MA
>>
>> Ingredients/contents listed as:
>>
>> Vitamin C: 3mg
>>
>> Gree Tea Extract (Leaf) : 100mg
>> providing
>> total tea catechins minimum 90%
>> epigallocatechin gallate (EGCg) minimum 70%
>> caffeine less than 0.42 mg per capsule
>>
>> -S-
>
> 100 mg...
>
> No wonder! :-)
>
> The recent study I read used 1,000 to 1,200 mg. per day.
> These have 315 each and the recommended dosage is 2 capsules for a
> dose
> of 630 mg. twice per day.So you're taking 12+ times as much as I'm taking? I just take one in
the mornings.-S-
Seems so, but even with this dose, the effects are subtle.
Not overwhelming, just somewhat invigorating. Remember, when I go to
the
gym, I'm coming off of an 8.5 hour work shift and a 30 minute
commute...Might want to compare your brand against others.
I wonder tho', does it say 100 mg. Green tea extract or one of the
active ingredients???We might be reading two different things on our bottles.
Mine says 315 mg. GTE but 95 mg. polyphenols. That is per capsule and
the dosage is 2 caps. I take that twice per day. Once before going to
work and once before I go to the gym.Mine is what I said, 100mg green tea extract, with a guarantee that the
two listed items are present in the GTE to the minimum percentages
listed. I showed everything that's on the label. I did find another
brand of GTE that said it guaranteed only 65% of the main ingredient,
whereas this one guarantees 90% and also calls itself a standarized
extract, which the lower percentage one did not.-S-
Seriously, do look for another brand....... :-)
Where do you live?
--
Om.
"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson
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news:[email hidden]...Quoted message said:In article <[email hidden]>,
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> news:[email hidden]...
> > In article <[email hidden]>,
> > "Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >
> >> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email hidden]...
> >> > In article <[email hidden]>,
> >> > "Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> >> >> news:[email hidden]...
> >> >> > Steve Freides wrote:
> >> >> >> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >> >> >> > is not as good as Green Tea Extract. :-)
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Just started using GTE again this morning and OH what a
> >> >> >> > difference,
> >> >> >> > 1
> >> >> >> > hour pre-workout!!!
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > No more Sugar Free Red Bull. It's too damned expensive
> >> >> >> > anyway........
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I take it you're *not* using the decap version of green
> >> >> >> tea
> >> >> >> extract.
> >> >> >> 🙂
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Do I need to explain again that caffeine is NOT the
> >> >> > primary
> >> >> > stimulant,
> >> >> > nor even a substantial stimulant, in green tea?
> >> >>
> >> >> Yes, you do. I don't find the green tea extract I take has
> >> >> a
> >> >> stimulant
> >> >> effect on me at all - maybe I don't take enough of it. I
> >> >> also
> >> >> drink
> >> >> the
> >> >> stuff and don't find a stimulant effect from it that way,
> >> >> either.
> >> >> Please do explain, thanks.
> >> >>
> >> >> -S-
> >> >> http://www.kbnj.com
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > What is your dosage?
> >>
> >> Brand: Pure Encapsulations, Inc., Sudbury, MA
> >>
> >> Ingredients/contents listed as:
> >>
> >> Vitamin C: 3mg
> >>
> >> Gree Tea Extract (Leaf) : 100mg
> >> providing
> >> total tea catechins minimum 90%
> >> epigallocatechin gallate (EGCg) minimum 70%
> >> caffeine less than 0.42 mg per capsule
> >>
> >> -S-
> >
> > 100 mg...
> >
> > No wonder! :-)
> >
> > The recent study I read used 1,000 to 1,200 mg. per day.
> > These have 315 each and the recommended dosage is 2 capsules for
> > a
> > dose
> > of 630 mg. twice per day.
>
> So you're taking 12+ times as much as I'm taking? I just take one
> in
> the mornings.
>
> -S-Seems so, but even with this dose, the effects are subtle.
Not overwhelming, just somewhat invigorating. Remember, when I go
to
the
gym, I'm coming off of an 8.5 hour work shift and a 30 minute
commute...Might want to compare your brand against others.
I wonder tho', does it say 100 mg. Green tea extract or one of the
active ingredients???We might be reading two different things on our bottles.
Mine says 315 mg. GTE but 95 mg. polyphenols. That is per capsule
and
the dosage is 2 caps. I take that twice per day. Once before going
to
work and once before I go to the gym.Mine is what I said, 100mg green tea extract, with a guarantee that
the
two listed items are present in the GTE to the minimum percentages
listed. I showed everything that's on the label. I did find another
brand of GTE that said it guaranteed only 65% of the main ingredient,
whereas this one guarantees 90% and also calls itself a standarized
extract, which the lower percentage one did not.-S-
Seriously, do look for another brand....... :-)
Where do you live?
Outside of NYC in northern NJ.
-S-
Quoted message said:--
Om."My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack
Nicholson
Steve Freides said:"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...Quoted message said:Steve Freides said:"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> Steve Freides wrote:
>> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> > is not as good as Green Tea Extract. :-)
>> >
>> > Just started using GTE again this morning and OH what a
>> > difference,
>> > 1
>> > hour pre-workout!!!
>> >
>> > No more Sugar Free Red Bull. It's too damned expensive
>> > anyway........
>>
>> I take it you're *not* using the decap version of green tea
>> extract.
>> 🙂
>
> Do I need to explain again that caffeine is NOT the primary
> stimulant,
> nor even a substantial stimulant, in green tea?Yes, you do. I don't find the green tea extract I take has a
stimulant
effect on me at all - maybe I don't take enough of it. I also drink
the
stuff and don't find a stimulant effect from it that way, either.
Please do explain, thanks.http://groups-beta.google.com/group/misc.fitness.weights/msg/5ce51f783f848816?dmode=source&hl=en
(http://tinyurl.com/a7umt)Well that's Greek to me. Care to try it in lay-person English,
comparing a cup of coffee with a cup of green tea and a single typical
green tea extract pill (I'll gladly post the notional content of the
ones I'm taking).
OK, Steve, here's your simplification.
The best known major stimulant drug is amphetamine. Amphetamine works
by inhibiting the reuptake of certain neurotransmitters, primarily
dopamine (DA) and norepinephrine (NE), into the neurons from which they
originated. You've heard of SSRIs, selective serotonin reuptake
inhibitors, that are used to treat depression? Same thing, except
amphetamine acts primarily on the reuptake of DA and NE (and a little
bit on serotonin, too). With that reuptake inhibited, there's plenty
more DA and NE swimming around to act as a stimulant in the brain.
But reuptake is not the only way the body deals with too much DA, NE,
and serotonin (5HTP) swimming around. Monoamine oxidase (MAO) is an
enzyme that metabolizes DA, NE, 5HTP, and a few other neurotransmitters
to make sure that there's not too much swimming around loose. Another
class of drugs used to treat depression are MAO inhibitors, which
inhibit the MAO enzyme, so once again, you have more DA, NE, and 5HTP
swimming around. That's why so many labels warn you not to take
certain stimulants with MAO inhibitors, since it might be a bad idea to
take something that resulted in more DA and NE swimming around while
inhibiting the ability of MAO to metabolize it. Got that so far?
Well, MAO isn't the only enzyme that helps metabolize stray
neurotransmitters. Catechol O-methyltransferase (COMT) also
metabolizes the catecholamine neurotransmitters: DA, NE, and
ephinephrine. That's where the green tea comes into play.
Tea, whether green or black, doesn't have nearly as much caffeine as
coffee. A cup of coffee has about 100 mg of caffeine, while a cup of
black tea contains only about 40 to 50 mg per cup, and green tea
contains only about 20 to 30 mg per cup. Green tea and black tea come
from the same plant, but black tea is fermented. The fermentation
results in higher caffeine levels but lower levels of tea catechins.
The most plentiful tea catechin, prized for it's antioxidant
properties, is (-)-epigallocatechin gallate (EGCG), which I'm sure is
touted on your bottle of green tea extract. The best green teas, and
their extracts, have very low levels of caffeine and high levels of
EGCG.
EGCG has been shown in several studies to have a direct inhibitory
effect on the enzyme COMT. By inhibiting COMT, once again, we have
more DA and NE swimming around. Basically, it has the same effect on
extracellular levels of DA and NE as amphetamine and MAO inhibitors,
just a different pathway, and in the long run, to a lesser extent.
But you want to know how this compares to caffeine. OK ...
In one study, researchers gave the subjects capsules three times per
day: one group got a placebo, one group got a green tea extract that
was standardized to 50 mg caffeine and 90 mg EGCG, and one group got
just 50 mg of caffeine. They then measured urinary catecholamine
levels for each group. Over 24 hours, DA levels for the caffeine-only
group were about the same as placebo, but the green tea group had 19%
higher levels; NE levels for the caffeine-only group were about 17%
over placebo, but the green tea group had levels 37% higher than
placebo. Even more pronounced were the daytime levels: DA for
caffeine-only was 6% over placebo, but green tea was 22% over placebo,
while for NE, caffeine-only was 20% over placebo, and green tea was 38%
over placebo. Simply put, the EGCG in green tea is causing significant
increases in stimulatory catecholamines, even in your decaffeinated
stuff.
As to the difference between a cup of coffee, a cup of green tea, and
green tea extract, you can extrapolate that from what I've already told
you. This is pretty simplified, but that's what you asked for.
HTH
"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:Steve Freides said:"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...Quoted message said:Steve Freides wrote:
> "JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> > Steve Freides wrote:
> >> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >> > is not as good as Green Tea Extract. :-)
> >> >
> >> > Just started using GTE again this morning and OH what a
> >> > difference,
> >> > 1
> >> > hour pre-workout!!!
> >> >
> >> > No more Sugar Free Red Bull. It's too damned expensive
> >> > anyway........
> >>
> >> I take it you're *not* using the decap version of green tea
> >> extract.
> >> 🙂
> >
> > Do I need to explain again that caffeine is NOT the primary
> > stimulant,
> > nor even a substantial stimulant, in green tea?
>
> Yes, you do. I don't find the green tea extract I take has a
> stimulant
> effect on me at all - maybe I don't take enough of it. I also
> drink
> the
> stuff and don't find a stimulant effect from it that way, either.
> Please do explain, thanks.http://groups-beta.google.com/group/misc.fitness.weights/msg/5ce51f783f848816?dmode=source&hl=en
(http://tinyurl.com/a7umt)Well that's Greek to me. Care to try it in lay-person English,
comparing a cup of coffee with a cup of green tea and a single
typical
green tea extract pill (I'll gladly post the notional content of the
ones I'm taking).OK, Steve, here's your simplification.
The best known major stimulant drug is amphetamine. Amphetamine works
by inhibiting the reuptake of certain neurotransmitters, primarily
dopamine (DA) and norepinephrine (NE), into the neurons from which
they
originated. You've heard of SSRIs, selective serotonin reuptake
inhibitors, that are used to treat depression? Same thing, except
amphetamine acts primarily on the reuptake of DA and NE (and a little
bit on serotonin, too). With that reuptake inhibited, there's plenty
more DA and NE swimming around to act as a stimulant in the brain.But reuptake is not the only way the body deals with too much DA, NE,
and serotonin (5HTP) swimming around. Monoamine oxidase (MAO) is an
enzyme that metabolizes DA, NE, 5HTP, and a few other
neurotransmitters
to make sure that there's not too much swimming around loose. Another
class of drugs used to treat depression are MAO inhibitors, which
inhibit the MAO enzyme, so once again, you have more DA, NE, and 5HTP
swimming around. That's why so many labels warn you not to take
certain stimulants with MAO inhibitors, since it might be a bad idea
to
take something that resulted in more DA and NE swimming around while
inhibiting the ability of MAO to metabolize it. Got that so far?Well, MAO isn't the only enzyme that helps metabolize stray
neurotransmitters. Catechol O-methyltransferase (COMT) also
metabolizes the catecholamine neurotransmitters: DA, NE, and
ephinephrine. That's where the green tea comes into play.Tea, whether green or black, doesn't have nearly as much caffeine as
coffee. A cup of coffee has about 100 mg of caffeine, while a cup of
black tea contains only about 40 to 50 mg per cup, and green tea
contains only about 20 to 30 mg per cup. Green tea and black tea come
from the same plant, but black tea is fermented. The fermentation
results in higher caffeine levels but lower levels of tea catechins.
The most plentiful tea catechin, prized for it's antioxidant
properties, is (-)-epigallocatechin gallate (EGCG), which I'm sure is
touted on your bottle of green tea extract. The best green teas, and
their extracts, have very low levels of caffeine and high levels of
EGCG.EGCG has been shown in several studies to have a direct inhibitory
effect on the enzyme COMT. By inhibiting COMT, once again, we have
more DA and NE swimming around. Basically, it has the same effect on
extracellular levels of DA and NE as amphetamine and MAO inhibitors,
just a different pathway, and in the long run, to a lesser extent.But you want to know how this compares to caffeine. OK ...
In one study, researchers gave the subjects capsules three times per
day: one group got a placebo, one group got a green tea extract that
was standardized to 50 mg caffeine and 90 mg EGCG, and one group got
just 50 mg of caffeine. They then measured urinary catecholamine
levels for each group. Over 24 hours, DA levels for the caffeine-only
group were about the same as placebo, but the green tea group had 19%
higher levels; NE levels for the caffeine-only group were about 17%
over placebo, but the green tea group had levels 37% higher than
placebo. Even more pronounced were the daytime levels: DA for
caffeine-only was 6% over placebo, but green tea was 22% over placebo,
while for NE, caffeine-only was 20% over placebo, and green tea was
38%
over placebo. Simply put, the EGCG in green tea is causing
significant
increases in stimulatory catecholamines, even in your decaffeinated
stuff.As to the difference between a cup of coffee, a cup of green tea, and
green tea extract, you can extrapolate that from what I've already
told
you. This is pretty simplified, but that's what you asked for.
It's just barely simple enough for me - thanks. I will read it again
later and try to digest (no pun intended) it all.
In the meantime, one more question - I've noticed (anecdotally, of
course) that not everyone responds the same way to caffeine. [censored] amount
seems to do more to some people than others. Does the same variation
among individuals exist in reactions to the agents in green tea?
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> In article <[email hidden]>,
> "Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
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>> > In article <[email hidden]>,
>> > "Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>> >> news:[email hidden]...
>> >> > In article <[email hidden]>,
>> >> > "Steve Freides" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:[email hidden]...
>> >> >> > Steve Freides wrote:
>> >> >> >> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> >> >> >> > is not as good as Green Tea Extract. :-)
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Just started using GTE again this morning and OH what a
>> >> >> >> > difference,
>> >> >> >> > 1
>> >> >> >> > hour pre-workout!!!
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > No more Sugar Free Red Bull. It's too damned expensive
>> >> >> >> > anyway........
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I take it you're *not* using the decap version of green
>> >> >> >> tea
>> >> >> >> extract.
>> >> >> >> 🙂
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Do I need to explain again that caffeine is NOT the
>> >> >> > primary
>> >> >> > stimulant,
>> >> >> > nor even a substantial stimulant, in green tea?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Yes, you do. I don't find the green tea extract I take has
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> stimulant
>> >> >> effect on me at all - maybe I don't take enough of it. I
>> >> >> also
>> >> >> drink
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> stuff and don't find a stimulant effect from it that way,
>> >> >> either.
>> >> >> Please do explain, thanks.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -S-
>> >> >> http://www.kbnj.com
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > What is your dosage?
>> >>
>> >> Brand: Pure Encapsulations, Inc., Sudbury, MA
>> >>
>> >> Ingredients/contents listed as:
>> >>
>> >> Vitamin C: 3mg
>> >>
>> >> Gree Tea Extract (Leaf) : 100mg
>> >> providing
>> >> total tea catechins minimum 90%
>> >> epigallocatechin gallate (EGCg) minimum 70%
>> >> caffeine less than 0.42 mg per capsule
>> >>
>> >> -S-
>> >
>> > 100 mg...
>> >
>> > No wonder! :-)
>> >
>> > The recent study I read used 1,000 to 1,200 mg. per day.
>> > These have 315 each and the recommended dosage is 2 capsules for
>> > a
>> > dose
>> > of 630 mg. twice per day.
>>
>> So you're taking 12+ times as much as I'm taking? I just take one
>> in
>> the mornings.
>>
>> -S-
>
> Seems so, but even with this dose, the effects are subtle.
> Not overwhelming, just somewhat invigorating. Remember, when I go
> to
> the
> gym, I'm coming off of an 8.5 hour work shift and a 30 minute
> commute...
>
> Might want to compare your brand against others.
>
> I wonder tho', does it say 100 mg. Green tea extract or one of the
> active ingredients???
>
> We might be reading two different things on our bottles.
>
> Mine says 315 mg. GTE but 95 mg. polyphenols. That is per capsule
> and
> the dosage is 2 caps. I take that twice per day. Once before going
> to
> work and once before I go to the gym.Mine is what I said, 100mg green tea extract, with a guarantee that
the
two listed items are present in the GTE to the minimum percentages
listed. I showed everything that's on the label. I did find another
brand of GTE that said it guaranteed only 65% of the main ingredient,
whereas this one guarantees 90% and also calls itself a standarized
extract, which the lower percentage one did not.-S-
Seriously, do look for another brand....... :-)
Where do you live?
Outside of NYC in northern NJ.
-S-
You should have access then to other brands then,
or look on line!
--
Om.
"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson
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