so frustrated!

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

If you revert back to being a HCer, then you'll regain every bit of
your weight.

The fact that you have serious problem with exercise and controling your
weight means that you really need to consider adopting a low carb
lifestyle for the remainder of your life.

I stopped doing Atkins because of high BP problems and my doctor saying it
was not the best diet for me, I liked doing it. That is why I am doing it
again regardless of my doctor.

You are incorrect in what you said above-- I did not GAIN any of the weight
back, I kept it off. And if you read my other messages you would have read
why I can't do much exercise, I do the most my knees will allow me to so I
can still walk.

Crystal said:

well I would exercise IF I could! all I can do is walk and I'm walking 4
miles a day... that is ALL my knees can handle! maybe I'm not in as good
shape as you are. I cannot do much exercising because of my bad painful
knees

You could lift weights. You could do Pilates or other floor exercises.
You could swim.

Or you could keep making excuses.

"The Queen of Cans and Jars" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Crystal said:

well I would exercise IF I could! all I can do is walk and I'm walking 4
miles a day... that is ALL my knees can handle! maybe I'm not in as good
shape as you are. I cannot do much exercising because of my bad painful
knees

You could lift weights. You could do Pilates or other floor exercises.
You could swim.

Or you could keep making excuses.

weights add muscle, floor exercises tone... right? I need to burn fat and
get cardio. I have no access to a pool here, I live in a very small town
with no facilities.

you know, you did fine with your suggestions.... that is up until your last
sentence.

Crystal <[email hidden]> wrote:
:> "The Queen of Cans and Jars" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:> news:[email hidden]...
:>> Crystal <[email hidden]> wrote:
:>>
:>>> well I would exercise IF I could! all I can do is walk and I'm
:>>> walking 4 miles a day... that is ALL my knees can handle! maybe
:>>> I'm not in as good shape as you are. I cannot do much exercising
:>>> because of my bad painful knees
:>>
:>> You could lift weights. You could do Pilates or other floor
:>> exercises. You could swim.
:>>
:>> Or you could keep making excuses.
:>
:>
:> weights add muscle, floor exercises tone... right? I need to burn
:> fat and get cardio. I have no access to a pool here, I live in a
:> very small town with no facilities.

Weights are good for helping to burn fat....They don't necessarily add
muscle...they may help you keep muscle as you lose fat...that makes you look
better as you lose, and you may improve strength. Good things.

If you're walking 4 miles a day, then you're exercising. Cut the snacks and
wait for weight loss to happen.

:
:
: my problem with exercise is that I have very bad knee pain. While I can
: walk with no problem, I have exercise tapes ranging from step to aerobics,
: my knees cant take it and jumping or bending at all. I feel limited to
how
: I can burn calories

But, you're not limited: there's water aerobics, swimming, and bicycling to
name a few. The problem is, you have to want to do it. You have to seek out
exercise, not just say, "Oh, I can't think of anything to do."

Pat in TX
:
:
:
:

Crystal <[email hidden]> wrote:
:> "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:> news:[email hidden]...
:>> Crystal <[email hidden]> wrote:
:>> :> "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:>> :> news:[email hidden]...
:>> :>> Crystal <[email hidden]> wrote:
:>> :>> :> "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:>> :>> :> news:[email hidden]...
:>> :>> :>> Crystal <[email hidden]> wrote:
:>> :>> :>> :> I admit I probably could up the exercise, but I really
:>> :>> :>> :> am not eating that much. Maybe for an Atkins plan I
:>> :>> :>> :> should be eating more. I'm doing the same thing I did
:>> :>> :>> :> the first time the diet was successful
:>> :>> :>> :> for me.
:>> :>> :>>
:>> :>> :>> You can't lose weight by eating more. Continue to eat less
:>> :>> :>> than you're eating until you start losing weight. saying
:>> :>> :>> that you're not eating that much doesn't mean you're not
:>> :>> :>> eating too much to lose weight.
:>> :>> :>
:>> :>> :>
:>> :>> :>
:>> :>> :> see my other message for how much I eat on a typical day....
:>> :>> :> and from what I learned on Atkins the first time I was on
:>> :>> :> it, the more I upped my fat from sausage and bacon, the more
:>> :>> :> I lost... this is something I'm not doing this time around
:>> :>>
:>> :>> You don't need to avoid fat....in fact, you may want to eat more
:>> :>> fat and less protein, depending on where you are exactly. Are
:>> :>> you using fitday.com?
:>> :>
:>> :>
:>> :> I still have a fitday account. I logged in and put my
:>> :> activities in and what I ate on a typical day last week and this
:>> :> is the breakdown:
:>> :>
:>> :> Fat 55%, Sat 26%, Poly 4%, Mono 22%, Carbs 4%, Fiber 0%, Protein
:>> :> 33%,
:>> :>
:>> :> Calories: 1224
:>>
:>> Yeah, you need to lower your protein and up your fat...
:>
:>
:> so I need to eat less fat, but what meat that I do eat, it should be
:> less lean? oh boy I'm confused

? Up your fat, lower your protein, and work on calories. Go for fattier
types of meats rather than lean cuts. Protein tends to get converted to
glucose (carbs) by the body...so eating too much may cause problems.

How old and tall are you and what do you weigh? I assume you're a woman,
right?

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Crystal <[email hidden]> wrote:
:> "The Queen of Cans and Jars" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:> news:[email hidden]...
:>> Crystal <[email hidden]> wrote:
:>>
:>>> well I would exercise IF I could! all I can do is walk and I'm
:>>> walking 4 miles a day... that is ALL my knees can handle! maybe
:>>> I'm not in as good shape as you are. I cannot do much exercising
:>>> because of my bad painful knees
:>>
:>> You could lift weights. You could do Pilates or other floor
:>> exercises. You could swim.
:>>
:>> Or you could keep making excuses.
:>
:>
:> weights add muscle, floor exercises tone... right? I need to burn
:> fat and get cardio. I have no access to a pool here, I live in a
:> very small town with no facilities.

Weights are good for helping to burn fat....They don't necessarily add
muscle...they may help you keep muscle as you lose fat...that makes you
look better as you lose, and you may improve strength. Good things.

If you're walking 4 miles a day, then you're exercising. Cut the snacks
and wait for weight loss to happen.

by the way I've been tinkering at fitday. It seems that in order to get my
fat up, and protein way down, I basically have to have very little meat, no
cheese at all, and lots of veggies. sound right?

Crystal <[email hidden]> wrote:
:> "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:> news:[email hidden]...
:>> Crystal <[email hidden]> wrote:
:>> :> "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:>> :>>
:>> :>> You mean ranch or blue cheese. Hopefully, you measure the
:>> :>> amounts.
:>> :>
:>> :>
:>> :> Actually it is Kraft Carb Free Ranch that I have been using this
:>> :> past week
:>> :>
:>> :>
:>> :>> :> Snack - 2 ounce slice cheese or slice of summer sausage
:>> :>>
:>> :>> Cut the snack to lower calories.
:>> :>
:>> :>
:>> :> I can cut it but 12:00 until 5:00 is a long period of time with
:>> :> no food
:>>
:>> Noon to 5pm is a long tine with no food? You're kidding, right?
:>
:>
:> no I'm not kidding, 5 hours is a long period of time with nothing
:> but water (for me) that is why I allowed myself at least a slice of
:> cheese

Are you diabetic? Perhaps those muffins make it hard for you to go 5 hours
without eating. Do you always get hungry over a 5 hour span? Have you
tried drinking lots of water during that time? You could also eat some
celery sticks as a snack, too, you know.

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Crystal <[email hidden]> wrote:
:> "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:> news:[email hidden]...
:>> Crystal <[email hidden]> wrote:
:>> :> "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:>> :> news:[email hidden]...
:>> :>> Crystal <[email hidden]> wrote:
:>> :>> :> "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:>> :>> :> news:[email hidden]...
:>> :>> :>> Crystal <[email hidden]> wrote:
:>> :>> :>> :> I admit I probably could up the exercise, but I really
:>> :>> :>> :> am not eating that much. Maybe for an Atkins plan I
:>> :>> :>> :> should be eating more. I'm doing the same thing I did
:>> :>> :>> :> the first time the diet was successful
:>> :>> :>> :> for me.
:>> :>> :>>
:>> :>> :>> You can't lose weight by eating more. Continue to eat less
:>> :>> :>> than you're eating until you start losing weight. saying
:>> :>> :>> that you're not eating that much doesn't mean you're not
:>> :>> :>> eating too much to lose weight.
:>> :>> :>
:>> :>> :>
:>> :>> :>
:>> :>> :> see my other message for how much I eat on a typical day....
:>> :>> :> and from what I learned on Atkins the first time I was on
:>> :>> :> it, the more I upped my fat from sausage and bacon, the more
:>> :>> :> I lost... this is something I'm not doing this time around
:>> :>>
:>> :>> You don't need to avoid fat....in fact, you may want to eat more
:>> :>> fat and less protein, depending on where you are exactly. Are
:>> :>> you using fitday.com?
:>> :>
:>> :>
:>> :> I still have a fitday account. I logged in and put my
:>> :> activities in and what I ate on a typical day last week and this
:>> :> is the breakdown:
:>> :>
:>> :> Fat 55%, Sat 26%, Poly 4%, Mono 22%, Carbs 4%, Fiber 0%, Protein
:>> :> 33%,
:>> :>
:>> :> Calories: 1224
:>>
:>> Yeah, you need to lower your protein and up your fat...
:>
:>
:> so I need to eat less fat, but what meat that I do eat, it should be
:> less lean? oh boy I'm confused

? Up your fat, lower your protein, and work on calories. Go for fattier
types of meats rather than lean cuts. Protein tends to get converted to
glucose (carbs) by the body...so eating too much may cause problems.

How old and tall are you and what do you weigh? I assume you're a woman,
right?

I'm 40, 5'6 and I weight 250

Crystal <[email hidden]> wrote:
:> "gweebles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:> news:[email hidden]...
:>> I'm sure your doctor would have a stroke if he found out you're
:>> doing Atkins. FYI, most doctors don't believe in Atkins.
:>>
:>> Serena
:>
:>
:> Yes actually, my doctor said I shouldn't do Atkins because of my
:> high BP issues (hypertension)

Why?

Crystal <[email hidden]> wrote:
:> "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:>
:>> If you revert back to being a HCer, then you'll regain every bit
:>> of your weight.
:>>
:>> The fact that you have serious problem with exercise and controling
:>> your weight means that you really need to consider adopting a low
:>> carb lifestyle for the remainder of your life.
:>
:>
:> I stopped doing Atkins because of high BP problems and my doctor
:> saying it was not the best diet for me, I liked doing it. That is
:> why I am doing it again regardless of my doctor.
:>
:> You are incorrect in what you said above-- I did not GAIN any of the
:> weight back, I kept it off. And if you read my other messages you
:> would have read why I can't do much exercise, I do the most my knees
:> will allow me to so I can still walk.

I said "if you revert". But since you didn't lose all you needed to, you
still have issues with controling your weight.

You said you walk 4 miles a day, right? Are you consistent with that? That
counts as exercise provided you do it regularly.

How old and tall are you and what do you weigh?

Crystal <[email hidden]> wrote:
:> "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:>> :>> :> Calories: 1224
:>> :>>
:>> :>> Yeah, you need to lower your protein and up your fat...
:>> :>
:>> :>
:>> :> so I need to eat less fat, but what meat that I do eat, it
:>> :> should be less lean? oh boy I'm confused
:>>
:>> ? Up your fat, lower your protein, and work on calories. Go for
:>> fattier types of meats rather than lean cuts. Protein tends to get
:>> converted to glucose (carbs) by the body...so eating too much may
:>> cause problems.
:>>
:>> How old and tall are you and what do you weigh? I assume you're a
:>> woman, right?
:>
:>
:> I'm 40, 5'6 and I weight 250

Then, if you're eating 1224 consistently, and walking 4 miles on a regular
basis, then hang tight, you'll lose weight.

However, I want to re-address something....

You've doing on Atkins for 3 weeks, right?

Prior to that you were not doing low carb, right?

And you have not lost a single pound?

Is that right?

On Sun, 28 Aug 2005, Crystal wrote:

;
;"Martha S. Gallagher" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
;news:[email hidden]...
;> On Sun, 28 Aug 2005, Crystal wrote:
;>

;> ;Now I want to lose more weight. I restarted Atkins following it to a T
;> just
;> ;like I did 1-1/2 years ago. I cannot lose a single ounce. I've checked
;> and
;> ;I'm not overdoing it on fatty food, I'm eating lots of allowed veggies
;> and
;> ;lean meats, fish, etc. Drinking the suggested amount of water. I even
;> added
;> ;some exercise though only walking daily. Still can't lose an ounce.
;> ;

;
;I have 80-100 pounds to lose. I've been back on Atkins 3 weeks with nothing
;to show for it. In a typical day right now I'll eat:
;

If you're female and menstruating, water gain can mask a non-trivial
amount of fat loss. I track my weight from lowest point after one cycle to
lowest point after the next. Since you've already been lowcarbing, you may
not get the water dump that people typically get when they start
lowcarbing. The good news is that everything you lose from now on will be
fat (well, and muscle of course).

;B - 1 hard boiled egg, and either 4 sausage links or an Atkins muffin
;
;L - Lean ham (not lunchmeat) or tuna wrapped in lettuce with 1/2 cup left
;over veggie from night before. Or a salad with hard boiled egg and low carb
;dressing
;
;D - lean meat (chicken breast, fish, hamburger patty) with one cup of some
;sort of veggie
;
;Snack - 2 ounce slice cheese or slice of summer sausage
;
;I don't think I'm eating much at all, not hungry though. Am I eating too
;lean for Atkins? The first time I did it I was eating a lot more fat like
;bacon and sausage
;
;

It looks to me like you're getting more than the 1200 - 1400 calories you
said in another post. Unless those sausages are tiny, they are calorie
rich. If you're 80-100lbs over goal, you probably don't have to start
eating really low calorie, but it's a good thing to have a handle on the
calories for how much you are eating.

I'd weigh and measure my food and enter everything into fitday.com (or a
pocket notebook).

Martha

Crystal <[email hidden]> wrote:
:> "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:> news:[email hidden]...
:>> Crystal <[email hidden]> wrote:
:>> :> "The Queen of Cans and Jars" <[email hidden]> wrote in
:>> :> message news:[email hidden]...
:>> :>> Crystal <[email hidden]> wrote:
:>> :>>
:>> :>>> well I would exercise IF I could! all I can do is walk and I'm
:>> :>>> walking 4 miles a day... that is ALL my knees can handle!
:>> :>>> maybe
:>> :>>> I'm not in as good shape as you are. I cannot do much
:>> :>>> exercising because of my bad painful knees
:>> :>>
:>> :>> You could lift weights. You could do Pilates or other floor
:>> :>> exercises. You could swim.
:>> :>>
:>> :>> Or you could keep making excuses.
:>> :>
:>> :>
:>> :> weights add muscle, floor exercises tone... right? I need to
:>> :> burn
:>> :> fat and get cardio. I have no access to a pool here, I live in a
:>> :> very small town with no facilities.
:>>
:>> Weights are good for helping to burn fat....They don't necessarily
:>> add muscle...they may help you keep muscle as you lose fat...that
:>> makes you look better as you lose, and you may improve strength.
:>> Good things.
:>>
:>> If you're walking 4 miles a day, then you're exercising. Cut the
:>> snacks and wait for weight loss to happen.
:>
:>
:> by the way I've been tinkering at fitday. It seems that in order to
:> get my fat up, and protein way down, I basically have to have very
:> little meat, no cheese at all, and lots of veggies. sound right?

Hard to say as it depends strongly on what food choices you make. For
example, macadamia nuts have a lot of fat....you can also eat eggs cooked in
butter rather than just boiled. You can put oil on your salads...and you
can eat fatty fish like salmon, rather than lean cuts of meat..but you do
have to experiment a lot to hone in on the right combination based on foods
you eat...after a while, it will be like second nature to you...

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Crystal <[email hidden]> wrote:
:> "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:>> :>> :> Calories: 1224
:>> :>>
:>> :>> Yeah, you need to lower your protein and up your fat...
:>> :>
:>> :>
:>> :> so I need to eat less fat, but what meat that I do eat, it
:>> :> should be less lean? oh boy I'm confused
:>>
:>> ? Up your fat, lower your protein, and work on calories. Go for
:>> fattier types of meats rather than lean cuts. Protein tends to get
:>> converted to glucose (carbs) by the body...so eating too much may
:>> cause problems.
:>>
:>> How old and tall are you and what do you weigh? I assume you're a
:>> woman, right?
:>
:>
:> I'm 40, 5'6 and I weight 250

Then, if you're eating 1224 consistently, and walking 4 miles on a regular
basis, then hang tight, you'll lose weight.

However, I want to re-address something....

You've doing on Atkins for 3 weeks, right?

Prior to that you were not doing low carb, right?

And you have not lost a single pound?

Is that right?

right

..

Think about how you might get your
upper body involved. A rowing machine
might help as would circuit style weight
training. Also look at every detail of
what has changed in your life between
the time when dieting worked and now.
Things like medications and low-grade
food allergies can negatively influence
weight loss. See if you can access your
local city library online. Hopefully
you can access a county-wide library
system. With that you can borrow all
kinds of low and moderate carb books.
Start reading them with an eye toward
strategies and tips that apply to your
situation. There are many details that
you need to be made aware of. Ultimately
I believe that you'll need to develop your
own plan made up of suggestions that work
for you. In developing that plan you'll
need to try everything. Keep what helps
and discard what doesn't. The bottom line
is that if you can't lose weight on 1200
low-carb calories you're atypical and
you'll need to learn of and try different
and possibly counter-intuitive things.
--

Quoted message said:

well I would exercise IF I could! all I can do is walk and I'm walking 4
miles a day... that is ALL my knees can handle! maybe I'm not in as good
shape as you are. I cannot do much exercising because of my bad painful
knees

Crystal <[email hidden]> wrote:
:> "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:> news:[email hidden]...
:>> Crystal <[email hidden]> wrote:
:>> :> "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:>> :>> :>> :> Calories: 1224
:>> :>> :>>
:>> :>> :>> Yeah, you need to lower your protein and up your fat...
:>> :>> :>
:>> :>> :>
:>> :>> :> so I need to eat less fat, but what meat that I do eat, it
:>> :>> :> should be less lean? oh boy I'm confused
:>> :>>
:>> :>> ? Up your fat, lower your protein, and work on calories. Go
:>> :>> for fattier types of meats rather than lean cuts. Protein
:>> :>> tends to get converted to glucose (carbs) by the body...so
:>> :>> eating too much may cause problems.
:>> :>>
:>> :>> How old and tall are you and what do you weigh? I assume
:>> :>> you're a woman, right?
:>> :>
:>> :>
:>> :> I'm 40, 5'6 and I weight 250
:>>
:>> Then, if you're eating 1224 consistently, and walking 4 miles on a
:>> regular basis, then hang tight, you'll lose weight.
:>>
:>> However, I want to re-address something....
:>>
:>> You've doing on Atkins for 3 weeks, right?
:>>
:>> Prior to that you were not doing low carb, right?
:>>
:>> And you have not lost a single pound?
:>>
:>> Is that right?
:>
:>
:> right

Perhaps the other poster who mentioned the monthly cycle has a
point....monthly water weight gain has made your water weight loss
unapparent....because simply going from eating a diet high in carbs to a low
carb diet should produce a drop in water weight of at least a few
pounds...unless those Atkins muffins have more carbs then they claim....or
perhaps you've up'ed your sodium and are retaining water because of that.

In any case, holding course {with a few tweaks} is called for.

Bill Eitner <[email hidden]> wrote:
The bottom line
:> is that if you can't lose weight on 1200
:> low-carb calories you're atypical and
:> you'll need to learn of and try different
:> and possibly counter-intuitive things.

It's only been 3 weeks....jumping on too quickly will lead to wrong
conclusions...

Quoted message said:

This contridicts what I've heard regarding Atkins which was: If

:> your body feels it is not getting enough food you won't lose, your
:> body will hang onto it. If you give it more food, on atkins
:> particularly more protein/fats it should make your body think it is
:> not in survival mode

Quoted message said:

That's nonsense. <

You know, this seems to go in cycles around here. When I first started
LC a few years back, most were told to eat more than that. To eat fat
and calorie count to be higher than this. In this way, she would be
better off on WW because in that she can eat more with their point
system. When I was in my best losing mode, I was averaging about 1800
calories a day, most of it fat, and only exercise was from my
restaurant. Yes, I slipped and am back on track now, but I am not
obsessing about calories and eating the 1000-1200 that some do. This
WOE is a YMMV thing and each person has their own way of doing it. I
suggest a meat fast or fat fast and see how you do on that, you may be
missing a trigger food. Cut all diet sodas, my personal addiction and
staller. Cut all AS if possible, eat meat and water, or do the fat
fast. Then you can decide if you need to cut or add calories.

Serena

I agree. However, I believe that
it's time to start studying and
putting together a list of possible
changes to begin incorporating if
another 3 weeks goes by with no loss.
That could mean simply working her
way through a later version of the
Atkins paperback as it gets into
many of the details. It never hurts
to learn more or review.
--

Roger Zoul said:

Bill Eitner <[email hidden]> wrote:
The bottom line
:> is that if you can't lose weight on 1200
:> low-carb calories you're atypical and
:> you'll need to learn of and try different
:> and possibly counter-intuitive things.

It's only been 3 weeks....jumping on too quickly will lead to wrong
conclusions...