21 million Americans have diabetes

"A diet rich in grains? Isn't that what got us here in the first place?"

No, it was the ambient temperature of the room in which it was eaten.
Consuming whole grains isn't the cause of diabetes, as research shows,
among those who do eat them the risk of diabetes is lower. Carbs are not
the cause of diabetes, but some people want simple minded black and white
answers to confirm certain lifestyle food cult choices.

In article <[email hidden]>,

TC said:

"Recent studies have shown that people with pre-diabetes can
successfully prevent or delay the onset of diabetes by losing 5 percent
to 7 percent of their body weight," Vinicor said in a statement.

"This can be accomplished through 30 minutes or more of physical
activity most days of the week and by following a low calorie, low fat
eating plan, including a diet rich in whole grains and fruits and
vegetables," he added.

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A diet rich in grains? Isn't that what got us here in the first place?

TC

Yes. ;-(

Blame it on the wheat and corn lobbies.....

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Om.

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"Sugar and refined grains products have increased in consumption in lock
step with the increase, since the 1970s, in obesity and obesity related"

Ah, note we were talking about whole grain foods and lowered risk of
diabetes. Note also that intake of saturated fats increased likewise and
the combination with refined carb sources is related to the increase of
diabetes. Obesity is also related to risk of diabetes but most such don't
get diabetes and there is a fraction getting it whose weight is within the
normal range. As said, simple minded black and white answers to complex
questions don't serve except as fodder for the lifestyle food cults.

Quoted message said:

"A diet rich in grains? Isn't that what got us here in the first place?"

No, it was the ambient temperature of the room in which it was eaten.
Consuming whole grains isn't the cause of diabetes, as research shows,
among those who do eat them the risk of diabetes is lower. Carbs are not
the cause of diabetes, but some people want simple minded black and white
answers to confirm certain lifestyle food cult choices.

Sugar and refined grains products have increased in consumption in lock
step with the increase, since the 1970s, in obesity and obesity related
disease like diabetes.

TC

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

TC said:

"Recent studies have shown that people with pre-diabetes can
successfully prevent or delay the onset of diabetes by losing 5 percent
to 7 percent of their body weight," Vinicor said in a statement.

"This can be accomplished through 30 minutes or more of physical
activity most days of the week and by following a low calorie, low fat
eating plan, including a diet rich in whole grains and fruits and
vegetables," he added.

*********

A diet rich in grains? Isn't that what got us here in the first place?

TC

Yes. ;-(

Blame it on the wheat and corn lobbies.....

Quoted message said:

--
Om.

And Big Sugar.

TC

Quoted message said:

"Sugar and refined grains products have increased in consumption in lock
step with the increase, since the 1970s, in obesity and obesity related"

Ah, note we were talking about whole grain foods and lowered risk of
diabetes. Note also that intake of saturated fats increased likewise and
the combination with refined carb sources is related to the increase of
diabetes. Obesity is also related to risk of diabetes but most such don't
get diabetes and there is a fraction getting it whose weight is within the
normal range. As said, simple minded black and white answers to complex
questions don't serve except as fodder for the lifestyle food cults.

Confused, convoluted, illogical and counter-intuitive answers like we
keep hearing from the American Diabetes Association and the American
Medical Association don't serve except as fodder for the medical and
food profiteers who happen to heavily sponsor both those organizations.

If they can't (or won't) tell us what causes the disease how can they
proceed to treat the disease or be seen to know enough to
authoritatively suggest corrective solutions?

Read Dr. Bernstein Diabetes Solution. It's an eye opener. Then read the
ADA website, talk about black vs white. One tells you what causes
diabetes T2 and then proceeds to teach you how to fix it. The other
tells you what doesn't cause diabetes then tells you where to get the
equipment and the meds to measure your blood sugars and to take copious
amounts of artificial insulin.

TC

"Confused, convoluted, illogical and counter-intuitive answers like we"

Just so, give us simple minded answers to soothe the minds of the
lifestyle food cults, not the truth which is complex.

"If they can't (or won't) tell us what causes the disease how can they
proceed to treat the disease or be seen to know enough to authoritatively
suggest corrective solutions?"

Thank you for this confession of the level of your knowledge about disease
and its treatment. The proposed causes are complex, best not to confuse
those seeking simple minded answers, do your own homework.

"Read Dr. Bernstein Diabetes Solution. It's an eye opener. Then read the
ADA website, talk about black vs white. One tells you what causes diabetes
T2 and then proceeds to teach you how to fix it. The other tells you what
doesn't cause diabetes then tells you where to get the equipment and the
meds to measure your blood sugars and to take copious amounts of
artificial
insulin."

I have the book, you have not read it, you have read about it. He knows
exactly the same as do all people about the cause of the disease as we can
be sure he reads the same journals as others. He doesn't say carbs causes
diabetes. He is foremost in his support for glucose testing and the
equipment to do so, he having been one of the first to adopt the gear for
his own personal use. He has an entire section devoted to insulin
selection
and use as well as same for other diabetic drugs. He fixes nothing, he
helps match foods eaten with best control of glucose levels by testing and
use of drugs..

Quoted message said:

"Confused, convoluted, illogical and counter-intuitive answers like we"

Just so, give us simple minded answers to soothe the minds of the
lifestyle food cults, not the truth which is complex.

"If they can't (or won't) tell us what causes the disease how can they
proceed to treat the disease or be seen to know enough to authoritatively
suggest corrective solutions?"

Thank you for this confession of the level of your knowledge about disease
and its treatment. The proposed causes are complex, best not to confuse
those seeking simple minded answers, do your own homework.

The causes are only complex when you try to sell the snake oil that
pharma and food industry is selling. If you are actually interested in
finding the cause and the cure, it ain't that hard to find. Dr
Bernstein's approach is quite simple in concept.... kick the refined
carbs.

Quoted message said:

"Read Dr. Bernstein Diabetes Solution. It's an eye opener. Then read the
ADA website, talk about black vs white. One tells you what causes diabetes
T2 and then proceeds to teach you how to fix it. The other tells you what
doesn't cause diabetes then tells you where to get the equipment and the
meds to measure your blood sugars and to take copious amounts of
artificial
insulin."

I have the book, you have not read it, you have read about it. He knows
exactly the same as do all people about the cause of the disease as we can
be sure he reads the same journals as others. He doesn't say carbs causes
diabetes. He is foremost in his support for glucose testing and the
equipment to do so, he having been one of the first to adopt the gear for
his own personal use. He has an entire section devoted to insulin
selection
and use as well as same for other diabetic drugs. He fixes nothing, he
helps match foods eaten with best control of glucose levels by testing and
use of drugs..

His primary attack on diabetes is to remove the cause of chronic high
blood glucose levels and that is refined carbs. Testing is to to
confirm the effectiveness of his advise and drugs are only used if
you've damaged your body beyond its ability to repair itself.

You have the book, but you've either not read it or you are putiing as
much soin on it as you can to make it sound like it follows the
mainstream ideas on diabetes as promulgated by the ADA.

If you actually read it and understand it, you will know that refined
carbs do not belong in the diet of a diabetic or a normal person for
that matter.

TC

"If you are actually interested in finding the cause and the cure, it
ain't
that hard to find. Dr Bernstein's approach is quite simple in concept....
kick the refined carbs."

He doesn't say carbs causes diabetes and he offers no cure for same nor
claims to have one. He has a method to tightly control glucose levels
after meals by first restricting carb intake and then using exercise and
drugs as required to match the insulin at hand to the intake. That's it
in
a nutshell. He advises multiple daily blood glucose tests as feedback to
confirm and adjust accordingly the method. You are trying to coop his
method into your lifestyle food cult choices nd it ain't gonna fit. You
have not read the book except as blurbs including that at amazon so stop
the baloney tap dancing.

TC said:

Quoted message said:

"A diet rich in grains? Isn't that what got us here in the first place?"

No, it was the ambient temperature of the room in which it was eaten.
Consuming whole grains isn't the cause of diabetes, as research shows,
among those who do eat them the risk of diabetes is lower. Carbs are not
the cause of diabetes, but some people want simple minded black and white
answers to confirm certain lifestyle food cult choices.

Sugar and refined grains products have increased in consumption in lock
step with the increase, since the 1970s, in obesity and obesity related
disease like diabetes.

Food in general consumption has increased since the 1970s and so has a
decrease in physical activity.

TC said:

Quoted message said:

"Sugar and refined grains products have increased in consumption in lock
step with the increase, since the 1970s, in obesity and obesity related"

Ah, note we were talking about whole grain foods and lowered risk of
diabetes. Note also that intake of saturated fats increased likewise and
the combination with refined carb sources is related to the increase of
diabetes. Obesity is also related to risk of diabetes but most such don't
get diabetes and there is a fraction getting it whose weight is within the
normal range. As said, simple minded black and white answers to complex
questions don't serve except as fodder for the lifestyle food cults.

Confused, convoluted, illogical and counter-intuitive answers like we
keep hearing from the American Diabetes Association and the American
Medical Association don't serve except as fodder for the medical and
food profiteers who happen to heavily sponsor both those organizations.

If they can't (or won't) tell us what causes the disease how can they
proceed to treat the disease or be seen to know enough to
authoritatively suggest corrective solutions?

Maybe because the exact cause is not known and most likely is a
combination of hereditary, lifestyle factors such as diet and
exercise.

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Read Dr. Bernstein Diabetes Solution. It's an eye opener.

The man who says he has all the answers to sell books. Yawn

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Then read the ADA website, talk about black vs white. One tells you what causes
diabetes T2 and then proceeds to teach you how to fix it.

Dr. Bernstein is not fixing anything merely treating the symptoms of
the disease not curing it. Curing or fixing it means being able to
eat all the sugar and carbs you want and having no affect on ones
blood sugar.

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The other tells you what doesn't cause diabetes then tells you where to get the
equipment and the meds to measure your blood sugars and to take copious
amounts of artificial insulin.

Lifestyles are hard to change.

TC said:

Quoted message said:

"Confused, convoluted, illogical and counter-intuitive answers like we"

Just so, give us simple minded answers to soothe the minds of the
lifestyle food cults, not the truth which is complex.

"If they can't (or won't) tell us what causes the disease how can they
proceed to treat the disease or be seen to know enough to authoritatively
suggest corrective solutions?"

Thank you for this confession of the level of your knowledge about disease
and its treatment. The proposed causes are complex, best not to confuse
those seeking simple minded answers, do your own homework.

The causes are only complex when you try to sell the snake oil that
pharma and food industry is selling. If you are actually interested in
finding the cause and the cure, it ain't that hard to find. Dr
Bernstein's approach is quite simple in concept.... kick the refined
carbs.

If eating poptarts and drinking coke and having high blood sugars as a
result is normal and not a disease exactly what is it then? Have those
who do not have high blood sugar by eating sugar and refined carbs
evolved so they can tolerate it?

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Quoted message said:

"Read Dr. Bernstein Diabetes Solution. It's an eye opener. Then read the
ADA website, talk about black vs white. One tells you what causes diabetes
T2 and then proceeds to teach you how to fix it. The other tells you what
doesn't cause diabetes then tells you where to get the equipment and the
meds to measure your blood sugars and to take copious amounts of
artificial
insulin."

I have the book, you have not read it, you have read about it. He knows
exactly the same as do all people about the cause of the disease as we can
be sure he reads the same journals as others. He doesn't say carbs causes
diabetes. He is foremost in his support for glucose testing and the
equipment to do so, he having been one of the first to adopt the gear for
his own personal use. He has an entire section devoted to insulin
selection
and use as well as same for other diabetic drugs. He fixes nothing, he
helps match foods eaten with best control of glucose levels by testing and
use of drugs..

His primary attack on diabetes is to remove the cause of chronic high
blood glucose levels and that is refined carbs.

The cause of chronic high blood glucose levels in those who have
diabetes. The majority can eat carbs all day long and to no ill
effect.

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If you actually read it and understand it, you will know that refined
carbs do not belong in the diet of a diabetic or a normal person for
that matter.

Ok so you now finally realize that a diabetic is someone who has a
disease. A normal person would do well limit refined carbs but for
other reasons besides high blood sugars.