Biggest Loser Observation

Tom G <[email hidden]> wrote:
:> http://www.nbc.com/The_Biggest_Loser/contestants/jeff/
:>
:> Watched the 9th episode last night. Jeff (the Doc) has lost an
:> astounding 100 lbs in 9 weeks. This is a tad over 11lbs per week or
:> 1.58 lbs per day. This basically amounts to 5700 Cal. deficit per
:> day. The first week or two I can see the weightloss being mostly
:> water, but this large amount of loss is simply incredible.
:>
:> http://www.nbc.com/The_Biggest_Loser/contestants/matt/
:>
:> And this rate of loss is not an anomaly. Matt has lost 85 lbs in 8
:> weeks, or 10.62 lbs per week. For the 9th episode he won immunity.
:> He gained 12 lbs that he claims is part of a strategy. Perhaps, to
:> gain extra strength for upcoming challenges, since he was the person
:> with the best % loss as of last week.
:>
:> Any of the people that lose 4 or 5 lbs in a week walk around with
:> long faces, when in fact they are losing twice the recommended
:> weightloss for an average Joe.
:>
:> It seems they are in reasonably good health. What is stopping their
:> hair from falling out?

Some people never have problems with hair falling out, some do, no matter
the rate of loss.

:> If it is true that a calorie deficit of any
:> kind will consume some muscle, how can a person (like Matt) look
:> like he is improving on a 5000+ Cal. deficit?

It's all relative...when you liberate all that fat, you liberate the person
who was in the fat suit. Power to weight ratio can increase markedly, once
you drop the pounds. Matt could improve relative to where he was, but
possibly not relative to where he might have been had he not dropped so
quickly. I think for someone to lose so quickly very likely means that good
habits won't exist into the long term...but as always, that is a YMMV kind
of thing and who knows, they might stick with Matt. I personally would not
bet on it..

You would figure that
:> the more severe the diet, the more severe the muscle loss despite
:> exercise. Since weight training is suppose to actually break down
:> muscle tissue while doing the work, wouldn't the muscle loss be even
:> greater, given the severe calorie deficit?

Sure...but, you still have to do both calculations to see it and on this
show that impossible for the same person. You just have to accept what you
get and use theory or pervious studies for the rest.

:>
:> This is just an observation, and I don't know what type of
:> supplements/chemical help they are using. Whenever I see a clip of
:> Matt eating, he's usually chowing on a steak. Perhaps losing a lot
:> of muscle mass during severe weightloss is not as bad as claimed, if
:> there is adequate dietary protein and exercise. (Not that I think
:> losing 10+ lbs per week is good for you.)

It depends (IMO)...if you start out a big hefty beast, you end up a less
hefty beast (ie, normal). If you start out a weakling, you might end up
dead or, at best, skinny but not robust.

:>
:> I have heard and read claims that when not exercising while losing
:> weight, a crash diet would cause half of the loss by muscle mass
:> alone. I don't believe everything I read, but I do believe that the
:> body will decide to keep muscle if it seems that it is needed during
:> day to day activities. If the body figures the muscles are not being
:> used all that much, it can be sacrificed to make up part of the
:> calorie loss.

Well, that, too, depends....if you're in a huge calorie deficit and doing
[censored] of cardio, your body might decide it doesn't need all that weight
to support doing [censored] of cardio, so it gives up muscle. If you're
lifting hard and heavy, your body might decide it needs that muscle and if
you feed it right, it might keep it (or most of it). If you're doing some
combination of both while maintaining a huge calorie deficit, you land
somewhere and the overall impact depends a lot, I think, on who you are and
where you start. A big hefty beast who eats steak will likely hold more
muscle than a little bitty frail flower who eats celery.

In the case of not exercising, I can see that even a
:> small caloric deficit would cause muscle to be lost. I don't think a
:> calorie deficit of, say, 500 Cal per day would cause much or any
:> muscle to be lost as long as adequate dietary protein and sufficient
:> exercise are maintained.

Well, you know...we all have our thoughts...

:>
:> (Here's a snippet from an article claiming that 1/2 of weightloss in
:> crash diets is muscle.)
:>
:> " The #1 reason why dieting alone will not lead to a HEALTHY weight
:> for life is that when we diet without exercising (specifically,
:> resistance exercise) UP TO 50% OF THE WEIGHT WE LOSE WILL BE MUSCLE
:> MASS. Now, this will vary from person to person based on genetics,
:> age, sex, hormone levels, etc. but an average is that 1/2 of the
:> weight we lose on that crash diet is from muscle loss."
:> http://ezinearticles.com/?New-Year-Resolution---Part-3&id=86249

So, a big hefty beast will lean toward the low end in terms of muscle loss.

Liberate? That's an under statement 🙂 I'm frickin FREE!!!!!!!
BTW Roger. You're a very fart smeller, Uh...... I mean VERY SMART
FELLER!!!!

I lost 87 pounds in 12 weeks and I did lose my hair but mine is a
different story. Funny about hair though. When it falls from the
follicle and doesnt break offat the hairline the new hair comes in
with a feathered pointed sof tip. I recently got my hair done. I'm
spolied and have one girl cut it and one color it. both of them said my
hair was absolutely as soft as baby hair. If these people do lose their
hair, it wont be for a while. My hair fell out at about 3 months and in
large patches. I looked like I was on a bit of chemo and it stopped
around the 5 month mark.
Laureen

Roger Zoul said:

It's all relative...when you liberate all that fat, you liberate the person
who was in the fat suit.

For most losing weight the key side of the calorie equation is reducing
intake. On The Biggest Loser they use extreme exercise to burn up calories
at what must be an amazing rate. This goes way beyond the kind of exercise
some dieters do. IMHO an extreme extreme exercise program is dangerous.

"Tom G" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

http://www.nbc.com/The_Biggest_Loser/contestants/jeff/

Watched the 9th episode last night. Jeff (the Doc) has lost an astounding
100 lbs in 9 weeks. This is a tad over 11lbs per week or 1.58 lbs per day.
This basically amounts to 5700 Cal. deficit per day. The first week or two

I

Quoted message said:

can see the weightloss being mostly water, but this large amount of loss

is

Quoted message said:

simply incredible.

http://www.nbc.com/The_Biggest_Loser/contestants/matt/

And this rate of loss is not an anomaly. Matt has lost 85 lbs in 8

weeks,

Quoted message said:

or 10.62 lbs per week. For the 9th episode he won immunity. He gained 12

lbs

Quoted message said:

that he claims is part of a strategy. Perhaps, to gain extra strength for
upcoming challenges, since he was the person with the best % loss as of

last

Quoted message said:

week.

Any of the people that lose 4 or 5 lbs in a week walk around with long
faces, when in fact they are losing twice the recommended weightloss for

an

Quoted message said:

average Joe.

It seems they are in reasonably good health. What is stopping their hair
from falling out? If it is true that a calorie deficit of any kind will
consume some muscle, how can a person (like Matt) look like he is

improving

Quoted message said:

on a 5000+ Cal. deficit? You would figure that the more severe the diet,

the

Quoted message said:

more severe the muscle loss despite exercise. Since weight training is
suppose to actually break down muscle tissue while doing the work,

wouldn't

Quoted message said:

the muscle loss be even greater, given the severe calorie deficit?

This is just an observation, and I don't know what type of
supplements/chemical help they are using. Whenever I see a clip of Matt
eating, he's usually chowing on a steak. Perhaps losing a lot of muscle

mass

Quoted message said:

during severe weightloss is not as bad as claimed, if there is adequate
dietary protein and exercise. (Not that I think losing 10+ lbs per week is
good for you.)

I have heard and read claims that when not exercising while losing

weight,

Quoted message said:

a crash diet would cause half of the loss by muscle mass alone. I don't
believe everything I read, but I do believe that the body will decide to
keep muscle if it seems that it is needed during day to day activities. If
the body figures the muscles are not being used all that much, it can be
sacrificed to make up part of the calorie loss. In the case of not
exercising, I can see that even a small caloric deficit would cause muscle
to be lost. I don't think a calorie deficit of, say, 500 Cal per day would
cause much or any muscle to be lost as long as adequate dietary protein

and

Quoted message said:

sufficient exercise are maintained.

(Here's a snippet from an article claiming that 1/2 of weightloss in crash
diets is muscle.)

" The #1 reason why dieting alone will not lead to a HEALTHY weight for
life is that when we diet without exercising (specifically, resistance
exercise) UP TO 50% OF THE WEIGHT WE LOSE WILL BE MUSCLE MASS. Now, this
will vary from person to person based on genetics, age, sex, hormone

levels,

Quoted message said:

etc. but an average is that 1/2 of the weight we lose on that crash diet

is

Quoted message said:

from muscle loss."
http://ezinearticles.com/?New-Year-Resolution---Part-3&id=86249

--

Tom + Pat Gallant
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"Tom G" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

http://www.nbc.com/The_Biggest_Loser/contestants/jeff/

Watched the 9th episode last night. Jeff (the Doc) has lost an astounding
100 lbs in 9 weeks. This is a tad over 11lbs per week or 1.58 lbs per day.
This basically amounts to 5700 Cal. deficit per day. The first week or two
I
can see the weightloss being mostly water, but this large amount of loss
is
simply incredible.

http://www.nbc.com/The_Biggest_Loser/contestants/matt/

And this rate of loss is not an anomaly. Matt has lost 85 lbs in 8 weeks,
or 10.62 lbs per week. For the 9th episode he won immunity. He gained 12
lbs
that he claims is part of a strategy. Perhaps, to gain extra strength for
upcoming challenges, since he was the person with the best % loss as of
last
week.

Any of the people that lose 4 or 5 lbs in a week walk around with long
faces, when in fact they are losing twice the recommended weightloss for
an
average Joe.

It seems they are in reasonably good health. What is stopping their hair
from falling out? If it is true that a calorie deficit of any kind will
consume some muscle, how can a person (like Matt) look like he is
improving
on a 5000+ Cal. deficit? You would figure that the more severe the diet,
the
more severe the muscle loss despite exercise. Since weight training is
suppose to actually break down muscle tissue while doing the work,
wouldn't
the muscle loss be even greater, given the severe calorie deficit?

This is just an observation, and I don't know what type of
supplements/chemical help they are using. Whenever I see a clip of Matt
eating, he's usually chowing on a steak. Perhaps losing a lot of muscle
mass
during severe weightloss is not as bad as claimed, if there is adequate
dietary protein and exercise. (Not that I think losing 10+ lbs per week is
good for you.)

I have heard and read claims that when not exercising while losing
weight,
a crash diet would cause half of the loss by muscle mass alone. I don't
believe everything I read, but I do believe that the body will decide to
keep muscle if it seems that it is needed during day to day activities. If
the body figures the muscles are not being used all that much, it can be
sacrificed to make up part of the calorie loss. In the case of not
exercising, I can see that even a small caloric deficit would cause muscle
to be lost. I don't think a calorie deficit of, say, 500 Cal per day would
cause much or any muscle to be lost as long as adequate dietary protein
and
sufficient exercise are maintained.

(Here's a snippet from an article claiming that 1/2 of weightloss in crash
diets is muscle.)

" The #1 reason why dieting alone will not lead to a HEALTHY weight for
life is that when we diet without exercising (specifically, resistance
exercise) UP TO 50% OF THE WEIGHT WE LOSE WILL BE MUSCLE MASS. Now, this
will vary from person to person based on genetics, age, sex, hormone
levels,
etc. but an average is that 1/2 of the weight we lose on that crash diet
is
from muscle loss."
http://ezinearticles.com/?New-Year-Resolution---Part-3&id=86249

As a matter of fact, a certain amount of weight loss in a given week will
inevitably be muscle mass, unless your diet is protein sparing.

Maybe they removed their brains.

Laureen <[email hidden]> wrote:
:> Liberate? That's an under statement 🙂 I'm frickin FREE!!!!!!!
:> BTW Roger. You're a very fart smeller, Uh...... I mean VERY SMART
:> FELLER!!!!

🙂

funny...you takin' a dig at my numerous typos, Laureen, honey? As someone
else first said, typos are a feature, not a bug!

:>
:> I lost 87 pounds in 12 weeks and I did lose my hair but mine is a
:> different story. Funny about hair though. When it falls from the
:> follicle and doesnt break offat the hairline the new hair comes in
:> with a feathered pointed sof tip. I recently got my hair done. I'm
:> spolied and have one girl cut it and one color it. both of them said
:> my hair was absolutely as soft as baby hair. If these people do lose
:> their hair, it wont be for a while. My hair fell out at about 3
:> months and in large patches. I looked like I was on a bit of chemo
:> and it stopped
:> around the 5 month mark.
:> Laureen
:>
:>
:>
:>
:>
:>
:>
:> Roger Zoul wrote:
:>> It's all relative...when you liberate all that fat, you liberate
:>> the person who was in the fat suit.

Aw!! Rogie, Im not making fun of you. I love the fart smeller smart
feller thingie mabobbie!You're quite intelligant and I was being
serious and funny!!!!
L

Roger Zoul said:

Laureen <[email hidden]> wrote:
:> Liberate? That's an under statement 🙂 I'm frickin FREE!!!!!!!
:> BTW Roger. You're a very fart smeller, Uh...... I mean VERY SMART
:> FELLER!!!!

🙂

funny...you takin' a dig at my numerous typos, Laureen, honey? As someone
else first said, typos are a feature, not a bug!

:>
:> I lost 87 pounds in 12 weeks and I did lose my hair but mine is a
:> different story. Funny about hair though. When it falls from the
:> follicle and doesnt break offat the hairline the new hair comes in
:> with a feathered pointed sof tip. I recently got my hair done. I'm
:> spolied and have one girl cut it and one color it. both of them said
:> my hair was absolutely as soft as baby hair. If these people do lose
:> their hair, it wont be for a while. My hair fell out at about 3
:> months and in large patches. I looked like I was on a bit of chemo
:> and it stopped
:> around the 5 month mark.
:> Laureen
:>
:>
:>
:>
:>
:>
:>
:> Roger Zoul wrote:
:>> It's all relative...when you liberate all that fat, you liberate
:>> the person who was in the fat suit.

I often wondered about that. I mean what are there electrolytes like
with all that sweating? We never see it all, I'm sure there has been
some low blood sugar episodes and certainly someone has passed out.
Some of the stuff they go through almost seems humanly impossible. The
one that got me was the stair competition a couple weeks back. Killer!
Laureen

Cubit said:

For most losing weight the key side of the calorie equation is reducing
intake. On The Biggest Loser they use extreme exercise to burn up calories
at what must be an amazing rate. This goes way beyond the kind of exercise
some dieters do. IMHO an extreme extreme exercise program is dangerous.

"Tom G" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:4Mqcf.473965$tl2.216227@pd7tw3no...

Quoted message said:

http://www.nbc.com/The_Biggest_Loser/contestants/jeff/

Watched the 9th episode last night. Jeff (the Doc) has lost an astounding
100 lbs in 9 weeks. This is a tad over 11lbs per week or 1.58 lbs per day.
This basically amounts to 5700 Cal. deficit per day. The first week or two

I

Quoted message said:

can see the weightloss being mostly water, but this large amount of loss

is

Quoted message said:

simply incredible.

http://www.nbc.com/The_Biggest_Loser/contestants/matt/

And this rate of loss is not an anomaly. Matt has lost 85 lbs in 8

weeks,

Quoted message said:

or 10.62 lbs per week. For the 9th episode he won immunity. He gained 12

lbs

Quoted message said:

that he claims is part of a strategy. Perhaps, to gain extra strength for
upcoming challenges, since he was the person with the best % loss as of

last

Quoted message said:

week.

Any of the people that lose 4 or 5 lbs in a week walk around with long
faces, when in fact they are losing twice the recommended weightloss for

an

Quoted message said:

average Joe.

It seems they are in reasonably good health. What is stopping their hair
from falling out? If it is true that a calorie deficit of any kind will
consume some muscle, how can a person (like Matt) look like he is

improving

Quoted message said:

on a 5000+ Cal. deficit? You would figure that the more severe the diet,

the

Quoted message said:

more severe the muscle loss despite exercise. Since weight training is
suppose to actually break down muscle tissue while doing the work,

wouldn't

Quoted message said:

the muscle loss be even greater, given the severe calorie deficit?

This is just an observation, and I don't know what type of
supplements/chemical help they are using. Whenever I see a clip of Matt
eating, he's usually chowing on a steak. Perhaps losing a lot of muscle

mass

Quoted message said:

during severe weightloss is not as bad as claimed, if there is adequate
dietary protein and exercise. (Not that I think losing 10+ lbs per week is
good for you.)

I have heard and read claims that when not exercising while losing

weight,

Quoted message said:

a crash diet would cause half of the loss by muscle mass alone. I don't
believe everything I read, but I do believe that the body will decide to
keep muscle if it seems that it is needed during day to day activities. If
the body figures the muscles are not being used all that much, it can be
sacrificed to make up part of the calorie loss. In the case of not
exercising, I can see that even a small caloric deficit would cause muscle
to be lost. I don't think a calorie deficit of, say, 500 Cal per day would
cause much or any muscle to be lost as long as adequate dietary protein

and

Quoted message said:

sufficient exercise are maintained.

(Here's a snippet from an article claiming that 1/2 of weightloss in crash
diets is muscle.)

" The #1 reason why dieting alone will not lead to a HEALTHY weight for
life is that when we diet without exercising (specifically, resistance
exercise) UP TO 50% OF THE WEIGHT WE LOSE WILL BE MUSCLE MASS. Now, this
will vary from person to person based on genetics, age, sex, hormone

levels,

Quoted message said:

etc. but an average is that 1/2 of the weight we lose on that crash diet

is

Quoted message said:

from muscle loss."
http://ezinearticles.com/?New-Year-Resolution---Part-3&id=86249

--

Tom + Pat Gallant
[email hidden]

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Tom G <[email hidden]> wrote:

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Some people never have problems with hair falling out, some do, no matter
the rate of loss.

I knew a woman that went on a crash diet and lost some hair. She didn't
exercise before or after, and the weight was lost by doing low fat. After
losing 80 lbs and leveling out at 190 lbs body weight, her legs looked more
like arms. Of course she didn't exercise at all. She has since grown back
her hair and the 80 lbs too. I wonder what her legs would have looked like
if she continued down to 130 lbs.

Quoted message said:

It's all relative...when you liberate all that fat, you liberate the

person

Quoted message said:

who was in the fat suit. Power to weight ratio can increase markedly, once
you drop the pounds.

I suppose that dropping 100 lbs would allow you to jump higher and run
further without any added strength.

Quoted message said:

Matt could improve relative to where he was, but
possibly not relative to where he might have been had he not dropped so
quickly.

At 5' 10" he looks to have a body type that could easily be a solid 200
lbs if not more.

Quoted message said:

Sure...but, you still have to do both calculations to see it and on this
show that impossible for the same person. You just have to accept what

you

Quoted message said:

get and use theory or pervious studies for the rest.

I've been looking around the net for any real life examples with pics
that show the difference between weightloss by dieting alone vs dieting with
exercise. In the past, most weight loss efforts would have been by eating
high carb which was thought to be protein sparing. Perhaps a higher protein
diet along with exercise may be more beneficial than previously thought.

Quoted message said:

It depends (IMO)...if you start out a big hefty beast, you end up a less
hefty beast (ie, normal). If you start out a weakling, you might end up
dead or, at best, skinny but not robust.

Yes, that makes sense.

Quoted message said:

Well, that, too, depends....if you're in a huge calorie deficit and doing
[censored] of cardio, your body might decide it doesn't need all that

weight

Quoted message said:

to support doing [censored] of cardio, so it gives up muscle. If you're
lifting hard and heavy, your body might decide it needs that muscle and if
you feed it right, it might keep it (or most of it). If you're doing some
combination of both while maintaining a huge calorie deficit, you land
somewhere and the overall impact depends a lot, I think, on who you are

and

Quoted message said:

where you start. A big hefty beast who eats steak will likely hold more
muscle than a little bitty frail flower who eats celery.

That seems predictable given the extremes of the examples, but over all
correct.

Quoted message said:

In the case of not exercising, I can see that even a
:> small caloric deficit would cause muscle to be lost. I don't think a
:> calorie deficit of, say, 500 Cal per day would cause much or any
:> muscle to be lost as long as adequate dietary protein and sufficient
:> exercise are maintained.

Well, you know...we all have our thoughts...

It's difficult to know how much muscle would be lost while dieting. I'm
more certain though, that the loss will be minimal, to the point of not
being concerned, if enough protein and resistance exercise are also present.

Quoted message said:

So, a big hefty beast will lean toward the low end in terms of muscle

loss.

And Matt certainly is a hefty beast.

Thanks for your input Rogie. :o)

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"Cubit" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

For most losing weight the key side of the calorie equation is reducing
intake. On The Biggest Loser they use extreme exercise to burn up

calories

Quoted message said:

at what must be an amazing rate. This goes way beyond the kind of

exercise

Quoted message said:

some dieters do. IMHO an extreme extreme exercise program is dangerous.

I think they are asked to do 4 to 6 hours per day of activity. I would
think that the show only presents the anguish and pain highlights, as if
they were working out at a high pace for hours and hours. But their
weightloss is astounding, so I don't think there goofing off. Losing over 10
lbs per week is extreme. I wonder what would happen to the show if one of
them were to have a heart attack. I suppose there wouldn't be a question of
who to eliminate for that week. :o)

Hi Laureen. How's your weightloss coming along? Last I remember, you were
on track to exceed your Doctor's expectations for loss. And you're doing ok
healthwise as well?

"Laureen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Aw!! Rogie, Im not making fun of you. I love the fart smeller smart
feller thingie mabobbie!You're quite intelligant and I was being
serious and funny!!!!
L

Roger Zoul said:

Laureen <[email hidden]> wrote:
:> Liberate? That's an under statement 🙂 I'm frickin FREE!!!!!!!
:> BTW Roger. You're a very fart smeller, Uh...... I mean VERY SMART
:> FELLER!!!!

🙂

funny...you takin' a dig at my numerous typos, Laureen, honey? As

someone

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

else first said, typos are a feature, not a bug!

:>
:> I lost 87 pounds in 12 weeks and I did lose my hair but mine is a
:> different story. Funny about hair though. When it falls from the
:> follicle and doesnt break offat the hairline the new hair comes in
:> with a feathered pointed sof tip. I recently got my hair done. I'm
:> spolied and have one girl cut it and one color it. both of them said
:> my hair was absolutely as soft as baby hair. If these people do lose
:> their hair, it wont be for a while. My hair fell out at about 3
:> months and in large patches. I looked like I was on a bit of chemo
:> and it stopped
:> around the 5 month mark.
:> Laureen
:>
:>
:>
:>
:>
:>
:>
:> Roger Zoul wrote:
:>> It's all relative...when you liberate all that fat, you liberate
:>> the person who was in the fat suit.

Hi Tom, I feel great! I am 9 months and one week post op and have
alomost lost half myself. I have gone from 410 to 215 pounds for a 185
pound loss now. I play by the rules and walk walk walk. I was suppose
to be down 44% of my total body weight which would have been around 234
by the first year. I exceeded that and then some by the 8 month period.
I should be at goal by summer. The weightloss has slowed but the
metamorphical body changes are occuring quite rapidly while the weight
loss slows. Amazing. I dont recognize me! People dont recognize.
Larrys Dad died a few weeks ago and 2 of his out of town relatives
asked him "Where's your wife?". I have some hilarious stories from
people who have known me since I was a little girl. Strange thing about
living in a small community............ You know everyone but don't
always see them on a regualr basis and I will always be the fat person
who got thinner and healthier but if I moved to another place no one
would know the difference!
Laureen

Tom G said:

Hi Laureen. How's your weightloss coming along? Last I remember, you were
on track to exceed your Doctor's expectations for loss. And you're doing ok
healthwise as well?

"Laureen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Aw!! Rogie, Im not making fun of you. I love the fart smeller smart
feller thingie mabobbie!You're quite intelligant and I was being
serious and funny!!!!
L

Roger Zoul said:

Laureen <[email hidden]> wrote:
:> Liberate? That's an under statement 🙂 I'm frickin FREE!!!!!!!
:> BTW Roger. You're a very fart smeller, Uh...... I mean VERY SMART
:> FELLER!!!!

🙂

funny...you takin' a dig at my numerous typos, Laureen, honey? As

someone

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

else first said, typos are a feature, not a bug!

:>
:> I lost 87 pounds in 12 weeks and I did lose my hair but mine is a
:> different story. Funny about hair though. When it falls from the
:> follicle and doesnt break offat the hairline the new hair comes in
:> with a feathered pointed sof tip. I recently got my hair done. I'm
:> spolied and have one girl cut it and one color it. both of them said
:> my hair was absolutely as soft as baby hair. If these people do lose
:> their hair, it wont be for a while. My hair fell out at about 3
:> months and in large patches. I looked like I was on a bit of chemo
:> and it stopped
:> around the 5 month mark.
:> Laureen
:>
:>
:>
:>
:>
:>
:>
:> Roger Zoul wrote:
:>> It's all relative...when you liberate all that fat, you liberate
:>> the person who was in the fat suit.

I was disappointed in the guy who won immunity last night from jumping
the bar. He went and pigged out and gained 12 lbs just because he knew
he wouldn't get voted off or be one of the two below the yellow line. I
think that dude has some real issues. He'll be fat again as soon as he
leaves the show. I think he really struggles with his food addiction.
He was also the one having midnight refrigerator raids earlier in the
show too. I was really rooting for him until I saw him undo his hard
work ON PURPOSE! I really would like to see Doc win it now and see his
transformation.
Laureen

Tom G said:

"Cubit" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

For most losing weight the key side of the calorie equation is reducing
intake. On The Biggest Loser they use extreme exercise to burn up

calories

Quoted message said:

at what must be an amazing rate. This goes way beyond the kind of

exercise

Quoted message said:

some dieters do. IMHO an extreme extreme exercise program is dangerous.

I think they are asked to do 4 to 6 hours per day of activity. I would
think that the show only presents the anguish and pain highlights, as if
they were working out at a high pace for hours and hours. But their
weightloss is astounding, so I don't think there goofing off. Losing over 10
lbs per week is extreme. I wonder what would happen to the show if one of
them were to have a heart attack. I suppose there wouldn't be a question of
who to eliminate for that week. :o)

Great news, Laureen!

Laureen <[email hidden]> wrote:
:> Hi Tom, I feel great! I am 9 months and one week post op and have
:> alomost lost half myself. I have gone from 410 to 215 pounds for a
:> 185 pound loss now. I play by the rules and walk walk walk. I was
:> suppose
:> to be down 44% of my total body weight which would have been around
:> 234
:> by the first year. I exceeded that and then some by the 8 month
:> period.
:> I should be at goal by summer. The weightloss has slowed but the
:> metamorphical body changes are occuring quite rapidly while the
:> weight
:> loss slows. Amazing. I dont recognize me! People dont recognize.
:> Larrys Dad died a few weeks ago and 2 of his out of town relatives
:> asked him "Where's your wife?". I have some hilarious stories from
:> people who have known me since I was a little girl. Strange thing
:> about living in a small community............ You know everyone but
:> don't
:> always see them on a regualr basis and I will always be the fat
:> person
:> who got thinner and healthier but if I moved to another place no one
:> would know the difference!
:> Laureen
:>
:>
:>
:>
:>
:> Tom G wrote:
:>> Hi Laureen. How's your weightloss coming along? Last I remember,
:>> you were on track to exceed your Doctor's expectations for loss.
:>> And you're doing ok healthwise as well?
:>>
:>> "Laureen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:>> news:[email hidden]...
:>> > Aw!! Rogie, Im not making fun of you. I love the fart smeller
:>> > smart feller thingie mabobbie!You're quite intelligant and I was
:>> > being
:>> > serious and funny!!!!
:>> > L
:>> >
:>> >
:>> >
:>> > Roger Zoul wrote:
:>> > > Laureen <[email hidden]> wrote:
:>> > > :> Liberate? That's an under statement 🙂 I'm frickin
:>> > > :> FREE!!!!!!!
:>> > > :> BTW Roger. You're a very fart smeller, Uh...... I mean VERY
:>> > > :> SMART FELLER!!!!
:>> > >
:>> > > 🙂
:>> > >
:>> > > funny...you takin' a dig at my numerous typos, Laureen, honey?
:>> > > As
:>> someone
:>> > > else first said, typos are a feature, not a bug!
:>> > >
:>> > > :>
:>> > > :> I lost 87 pounds in 12 weeks and I did lose my hair but mine
:>> > > :> is a different story. Funny about hair though. When it falls
:>> > > :> from the follicle and doesnt break offat the hairline the
:>> > > :> new hair comes in with a feathered pointed sof tip. I
:>> > > :> recently got my hair done. I'm spolied and have one girl cut
:>> > > :> it and one color it. both of them said my hair was
:>> > > :> absolutely as soft as baby hair. If these people do lose
:>> > > :> their hair, it wont be for a while. My hair fell out at
:>> > > :> about 3 months and in large patches. I looked like I was on
:>> > > :> a bit of chemo and it stopped
:>> > > :> around the 5 month mark.
:>> > > :> Laureen
:>> > > :>
:>> > > :>
:>> > > :>
:>> > > :>
:>> > > :>
:>> > > :>
:>> > > :>
:>> > > :> Roger Zoul wrote:
:>> > > :>> It's all relative...when you liberate all that fat, you
:>> > > :>> liberate the person who was in the fat suit.

"Laureen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Hi Tom, I feel great!

That's good to hear.

Quoted message said:

I am 9 months and one week post op and have
alomost lost half myself. I have gone from 410 to 215 pounds for a 185
pound loss now. I play by the rules and walk walk walk. I was suppose
to be down 44% of my total body weight which would have been around 234
by the first year. I exceeded that and then some by the 8 month period.
I should be at goal by summer.

Wow.

Quoted message said:

The weightloss has slowed but the
metamorphical body changes are occuring quite rapidly while the weight
loss slows. Amazing. I dont recognize me! People dont recognize.
Larrys Dad died a few weeks ago and 2 of his out of town relatives
asked him "Where's your wife?".

Hehe. 'Probably thought he had a girl friend.

Quoted message said:

I have some hilarious stories from
people who have known me since I was a little girl. Strange thing about
living in a small community............ You know everyone but don't
always see them on a regualr basis and I will always be the fat person
who got thinner and healthier but if I moved to another place no one
would know the difference!

I know what you mean there. I'm surprised at the way different people
react to a person who has lost a good amount of weight. I've been
complimented by some, but it seems there are a large number that are
expecting me to balloon back up any day now. Of course they probably know a
lot of people, as do I, that regain it all. Strangers that have never met
you would not know any different than what they see right now. Like a clean
slate.

Quoted message said:

Laureen

Tom G said:

Hi Laureen. How's your weightloss coming along? Last I remember, you

were

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

on track to exceed your Doctor's expectations for loss. And you're doing

ok

Quoted message said:

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healthwise as well?

"Laureen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Aw!! Rogie, Im not making fun of you. I love the fart smeller smart
feller thingie mabobbie!You're quite intelligant and I was being
serious and funny!!!!
L

Roger Zoul wrote:
> Laureen <[email hidden]> wrote:
> :> Liberate? That's an under statement 🙂 I'm frickin FREE!!!!!!!
> :> BTW Roger. You're a very fart smeller, Uh...... I mean VERY SMART
> :> FELLER!!!!
>
> 🙂
>
> funny...you takin' a dig at my numerous typos, Laureen, honey? As

someone

Quoted message said:

> else first said, typos are a feature, not a bug!
>
> :>
> :> I lost 87 pounds in 12 weeks and I did lose my hair but mine is a
> :> different story. Funny about hair though. When it falls from the
> :> follicle and doesnt break offat the hairline the new hair comes

in

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> :> with a feathered pointed sof tip. I recently got my hair done.

I'm

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> :> spolied and have one girl cut it and one color it. both of them

said

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> :> my hair was absolutely as soft as baby hair. If these people do

lose

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> :> their hair, it wont be for a while. My hair fell out at about 3
> :> months and in large patches. I looked like I was on a bit of

chemo

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> :> and it stopped
> :> around the 5 month mark.
> :> Laureen
> :>
> :>
> :>
> :>
> :>
> :>
> :>
> :> Roger Zoul wrote:
> :>> It's all relative...when you liberate all that fat, you liberate
> :>> the person who was in the fat suit.

"Laureen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I was disappointed in the guy who won immunity last night from jumping
the bar. He went and pigged out and gained 12 lbs just because he knew
he wouldn't get voted off or be one of the two below the yellow line.

Wasn't the immunity event just one day before the vote off? It seems hard
to believe he would put on that much for strategic purposes. A zero loss, or
2 lb gain would probably give just as much advantage for strength
gain/energy levels. I would almost suspect cheating by hiding weights
somewhere to show no loss for the times that weightloss is not needed to
stay in the game. And then get rid of the weights when a large weightloss is
definitely needed to stay above the yellow line for the week. Seth also had
a zero loss for the week when he won immunity, and then next week dropped a
larger amount than usual. Actually, I am probably just cynical.

Quoted message said:

I
think that dude has some real issues. He'll be fat again as soon as he
leaves the show. I think he really struggles with his food addiction.
He was also the one having midnight refrigerator raids earlier in the
show too.

Yes. I remember that. It does look like he'll have some problems keeping
it off if he isn't vigilant.

Quoted message said:

I was really rooting for him until I saw him undo his hard
work ON PURPOSE! I really would like to see Doc win it now and see his
transformation.

Jeff (Doc) has got my vote too.

Quoted message said:

Laureen

Tom G said:

"Cubit" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

For most losing weight the key side of the calorie equation is

reducing

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

intake. On The Biggest Loser they use extreme exercise to burn up

calories

Quoted message said:

at what must be an amazing rate. This goes way beyond the kind of

exercise

Quoted message said:

some dieters do. IMHO an extreme extreme exercise program is

dangerous.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I think they are asked to do 4 to 6 hours per day of activity. I would
think that the show only presents the anguish and pain highlights, as if
they were working out at a high pace for hours and hours. But their
weightloss is astounding, so I don't think there goofing off. Losing

over 10

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

lbs per week is extreme. I wonder what would happen to the show if one

of

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

them were to have a heart attack. I suppose there wouldn't be a question

of

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

who to eliminate for that week. :o)

"Laureen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I was disappointed in the guy who won immunity last night from jumping
the bar. He went and pigged out and gained 12 lbs just because he knew
he wouldn't get voted off or be one of the two below the yellow line.

Wasn't the immunity event just one day before the vote off? It seems hard
to believe he would put on that much for strategic purposes. A zero loss, or
2 lb gain would probably give just as much advantage for strength
gain/energy levels. I would almost suspect cheating by hiding weights
somewhere to show no loss for the times that weightloss is not needed to
stay in the game. And then get rid of the weights when a large weightloss is
definitely needed to stay above the yellow line for the week. Seth also had
a zero loss for the week when he won immunity, and then next week dropped a
larger amount than usual. Actually, I am probably just cynical.

Quoted message said:

I
think that dude has some real issues. He'll be fat again as soon as he
leaves the show. I think he really struggles with his food addiction.
He was also the one having midnight refrigerator raids earlier in the
show too.

Yes. I remember that. It does look like he'll have some problems keeping
it off if he isn't vigilant.

Quoted message said:

I was really rooting for him until I saw him undo his hard
work ON PURPOSE! I really would like to see Doc win it now and see his
transformation.

Jeff (Doc) has got my vote too.

Quoted message said:

Laureen

Tom G said:

"Cubit" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

For most losing weight the key side of the calorie equation is

reducing

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

intake. On The Biggest Loser they use extreme exercise to burn up

calories

Quoted message said:

at what must be an amazing rate. This goes way beyond the kind of

exercise

Quoted message said:

some dieters do. IMHO an extreme extreme exercise program is

dangerous.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I think they are asked to do 4 to 6 hours per day of activity. I would
think that the show only presents the anguish and pain highlights, as if
they were working out at a high pace for hours and hours. But their
weightloss is astounding, so I don't think there goofing off. Losing

over 10

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

lbs per week is extreme. I wonder what would happen to the show if one

of

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

them were to have a heart attack. I suppose there wouldn't be a question

of

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

who to eliminate for that week. :o)

You believe that walking up a flight of stairs is extreme exercise.

IOW, you don't know enough about exercise to have an opinion.

--
You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW

"Cubit" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

IMHO an extreme extreme exercise program is dangerous.

If they didn't cut half of your guts out, you'd be over 500 pounds again
tomorrow.

--
You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW

"Laureen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I was disappointed in the guy who won immunity last night from jumping
the bar. He went and pigged out and gained 12 lbs just because he knew
he wouldn't get voted off or be one of the two below the yellow line. I
think that dude has some real issues. He'll be fat again as soon as he
leaves the show. I think he really struggles with his food addiction.
He was also the one having midnight refrigerator raids earlier in the
show too. I was really rooting for him until I saw him undo his hard
work ON PURPOSE! I really would like to see Doc win it now and see his
transformation.
Laureen

Tom G said:

"Cubit" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

For most losing weight the key side of the calorie equation is reducing
intake. On The Biggest Loser they use extreme exercise to burn up

calories

Quoted message said:

at what must be an amazing rate. This goes way beyond the kind of

exercise

Quoted message said:

some dieters do. IMHO an extreme extreme exercise program is
dangerous.

I think they are asked to do 4 to 6 hours per day of activity. I would
think that the show only presents the anguish and pain highlights, as if
they were working out at a high pace for hours and hours. But their
weightloss is astounding, so I don't think there goofing off. Losing over
10
lbs per week is extreme. I wonder what would happen to the show if one of
them were to have a heart attack. I suppose there wouldn't be a question
of
who to eliminate for that week. :o)

If they didn't cut half of your guts out, you'd be over 500 pounds again
tomorrow.

--
You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW

"Laureen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I was disappointed in the guy who won immunity last night from jumping
the bar. He went and pigged out and gained 12 lbs just because he knew
he wouldn't get voted off or be one of the two below the yellow line. I
think that dude has some real issues. He'll be fat again as soon as he
leaves the show. I think he really struggles with his food addiction.
He was also the one having midnight refrigerator raids earlier in the
show too. I was really rooting for him until I saw him undo his hard
work ON PURPOSE! I really would like to see Doc win it now and see his
transformation.
Laureen

Tom G said:

"Cubit" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

For most losing weight the key side of the calorie equation is reducing
intake. On The Biggest Loser they use extreme exercise to burn up

calories

Quoted message said:

at what must be an amazing rate. This goes way beyond the kind of

exercise

Quoted message said:

some dieters do. IMHO an extreme extreme exercise program is
dangerous.

I think they are asked to do 4 to 6 hours per day of activity. I would
think that the show only presents the anguish and pain highlights, as if
they were working out at a high pace for hours and hours. But their
weightloss is astounding, so I don't think there goofing off. Losing over
10
lbs per week is extreme. I wonder what would happen to the show if one of
them were to have a heart attack. I suppose there wouldn't be a question
of
who to eliminate for that week. :o)