Sweet Potatoes

sarah bennett said:

I have never understood the rationale for not eating flour on passover
when you don't keep kosher. Or "keeping kosher" but not actually
following the rules.

There needn't be a rationale. How about people who go to church some
Sundays but not every Sunday or people who purport to be religious but
who lie, cheat and steal? I rather admire people who experiment with
different religious practices such as following some kosher laws but not
all of them until they find a level of observance that suits them. It
makes sense to me to continue thinking about religion, spirituality,
your own beliefs and your own practices throughout your life while
learning and growing. I don't expect my religious practices to make
sense to the next person. I'm sure someone else would accuse me of
being terribly inconsistent, but it works for me.

Let me go out on a limb here and wonder if part of the problem is when
someone expects you to accomodate their religious practices when you
can't make heads or tails of them. I know it used to drive me crazy
when I had customers who told me how they were strict vegetarians and
were adamant that I give them special food, but when I gave them exactly
what they wanted, they'd still complain. I'd find that they weren't that
careful when they were cooking, only when I was. When it comes to that,
I try to become dispassionate: Just tell the truth about what
ingredients I've used and let decide how they feel about it. Thus with
bringing dessert to a Passover seder. I checked with the hosts and
brought a dessert that used no dairy and no grain. I was only sorry
that they prefered the dry, tasteless, wheatless, eggy, spongecake.

--Lia

Julia Altshuler said:

sarah bennett said:

I have never understood the rationale for not eating flour on passover
when you don't keep kosher. Or "keeping kosher" but not actually
following the rules.

There needn't be a rationale. How about people who go to church some
Sundays but not every Sunday or people who purport to be religious but
who lie, cheat and steal? I rather admire people who experiment with
different religious practices such as following some kosher laws but not
all of them until they find a level of observance that suits them. It
makes sense to me to continue thinking about religion, spirituality,
your own beliefs and your own practices throughout your life while
learning and growing. I don't expect my religious practices to make
sense to the next person. I'm sure someone else would accuse me of
being terribly inconsistent, but it works for me.

I'm not saying I don't respect their desicions, I just dont understand
it. 🙂

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Let me go out on a limb here and wonder if part of the problem is when
someone expects you to accomodate their religious practices when you
can't make heads or tails of them. I know it used to drive me crazy
when I had customers who told me how they were strict vegetarians and
were adamant that I give them special food, but when I gave them exactly
what they wanted, they'd still complain.

Like my vegan SIL who complains that all the vegan desserts I have made
are "too dry". well, when you can't use milk or butter or eggs, it is
hard to make anything decent IMO.

Quoted message said:

I'd find that they weren't that
careful when they were cooking, only when I was. When it comes to that,
I try to become dispassionate: Just tell the truth about what
ingredients I've used and let decide how they feel about it. Thus with
bringing dessert to a Passover seder. I checked with the hosts and
brought a dessert that used no dairy and no grain. I was only sorry
that they prefered the dry, tasteless, wheatless, eggy, spongecake.

Well, my mom makes a couple of really nice spongecakes, but I think I
would have tried your dessert, too 🙂

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sarah bennett said:

Like my vegan SIL who complains that all the vegan desserts I have made
are "too dry". well, when you can't use milk or butter or eggs, it is
hard to make anything decent IMO.

Stuff like this frustrates me, I've dne my share of vegetarian, vegan, atkins,
weirdkins, diabetic, emotional issue cooking in my time and I totally feel
that if someone goes out of their way to cook something in a special way to
comply with your needs you should not complain. If you want it done a specific
way you either have to accept the way it is served or make it yourself.

grumble grumble

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The Bubbo said:

sarah bennett said:

Like my vegan SIL who complains that all the vegan desserts I have made
are "too dry". well, when you can't use milk or butter or eggs, it is
hard to make anything decent IMO.

Quoted message said:

Stuff like this frustrates me, I've dne my share of vegetarian, vegan, atkins,
weirdkins, diabetic, emotional issue cooking in my time and I totally feel
that if someone goes out of their way to cook something in a special way to
comply with your needs you should not complain. If you want it done a specific
way you either have to accept the way it is served or make it yourself.

One of the best oatmeal cookies I've ever had was vegan. Still, I'm
glad my daughter gave it up (after nine months). It made Thanksgiving
so much easier. Butter in this, butter in that, butter in everything.
Cheese sauce on the brussels sprouts. She's still vegetarian, which
means more leftover turkey for the rest of us.

Besides, it isn't hard to make sweet potatoes vegan. Just add the
butter or fake butter at the table, according to each person's
preference.

--
Dan Abel
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Petaluma, California, USA

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Julia Altshuler said:

I rather admire people who experiment with
different religious practices such as following some kosher laws but not
all of them until they find a level of observance that suits them.

I'm with you until the last part. I think part of observance is
trying to live up to a standard given by the faith, not just what we can
live with ourselves.

Regards,
Ranee

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Elaine Parrish said:

South America isn't the New World. The "New World" consisted of the
colonies that eventually became the US. The early colonists were English
and the English didn't eat potatoes. Potatoes were grown in Ireland long
before they came to the colonies.

Okay. Tell that to the makers of those maps, who were from the "Old
World" and thought they had gotten to the "New World" before they hit
the colonies.

Regards,
Ranee

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Elaine Parrish said:

So, even if potatoes were indigenous to South America (the continent),
they
still had to migrate to England and be introduced to America ("the
colonies"; later the US). So they may be American, but they are not
American <g>. The total and complete problem lies with our forefathers
who could not think up a name for us that could be readily distinguished
from our continent. We are Americans just like the Mexicans or Canadians.
Technically, we should be called United Stateseons, but that sounds funny.
Many times when we speak of America, we only mean the US, which is what I
was doing. From any International point of view, it would be reasonable to
think of the continent as a whole.

No, the problem is that you read US, when I (and others) wrote New
World.

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Elaine Parrish said:

Yes, and that is interesting. I was watching Alton Brown's Good Eats show
last night and it was about sweet potatoes. He said (well, actually it
was the lady that is a food scientist) that Christopher
Columbus took the sweet potato back home with him and it began to make
its way around Europe. When it finally got to England, the name, batata,
had been corrupted into patata and the English further corrupted it into
potato. Most of Europe would not eat regular potatoes because they were
thought to be poisonous. But the Irish ate them. The Americans were eating
sweet potatoes, which they called "potatoes". When the Irish immigrants
came and re-introduced regular potatoes (actually real potatoes) in
Boston, the sweet potato (formallly, just "potato"😉 got the additional
name of "sweet". I love "Good Eats" and should have cited it as my source
for that statement.

So, you're saying (and him, I guess) that these people who came from
England and Ireland and even parts of Germany came to the colonies,
forgot entirely about the potatoes they ate at home, and thought these
new ones were the only ones they'd ever had?

Regards,
Ranee

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Ranee Mueller said:

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Elaine Parrish said:

Yes, and that is interesting. I was watching Alton Brown's Good Eats show
last night and it was about sweet potatoes. He said (well, actually it
was the lady that is a food scientist) that Christopher
Columbus took the sweet potato back home with him and it began to make
its way around Europe. When it finally got to England, the name, batata,
had been corrupted into patata and the English further corrupted it into
potato. Most of Europe would not eat regular potatoes because they were
thought to be poisonous. But the Irish ate them. The Americans were eating
sweet potatoes, which they called "potatoes". When the Irish immigrants
came and re-introduced regular potatoes (actually real potatoes) in
Boston, the sweet potato (formallly, just "potato"😉 got the additional
name of "sweet". I love "Good Eats" and should have cited it as my source
for that statement.

So, you're saying (and him, I guess) that these people who came from
England and Ireland and even parts of Germany came to the colonies,
forgot entirely about the potatoes they ate at home, and thought these
new ones were the only ones they'd ever had?

Regards,
Ranee

Having a bad day, Ranee?

There were dozens of posts on this thread. If you will check your time
line, you will find that Columbus discovered America in 1492, sailing for
Spain. The Spaniards began explorations of the "New World" (two
continents). They found potatoes on the South American Continent and took
them back to Spain where they became a food staple for hospital inmates
(and various and sundry other "poor people"😉. The rest of Europe was not
eating potatoes at the time. Spain introduced the potato to Europe in the
1500s. It didn't catch on readily because it was of the nightshade family of
poisonous plants. It did become successful in Spain as the "food of the
poor", which made it even more objectable to the more well-to-do
Europeans. The potato "bounced around Europe for a couple of hundred
years" (Alton Brown's Good Eats) before it was embraced by the Irish.

Note the timeline here. 1500s plus "a couple hundred years" = the
1700s. The colonies were established in the early 1600s.

Once the Irish embraced the potato (ca.1780s), it took almost another 100
years for it to become the base of the Irish foodstores. The Irish
introduced it to the English "from the bottom up" (society-wise).

1700s plus 100 years = 1800s

When the potato famine hit Ireland in the early/mid 1800s, many Irish fled
to "the new world of North America" and came to the US, bringing with them
the potato.

And yes, while it was discovered in the New World (South American
Continent), it took some 300 years for it to come to the New World (North
American continent).

Alton Brown's Good Eats Program

and:

http://www.indepthinfo.com/potato/history.shtml

Elaine, too

On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 11:59:11 -0800, in rec.food.cooking, Ranee Mueller

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Elaine Parrish said:

South America isn't the New World. The "New World" consisted of the
colonies that eventually became the US. The early colonists were English
and the English didn't eat potatoes. Potatoes were grown in Ireland long
before they came to the colonies.

Okay. Tell that to the makers of those maps, who were from the "Old
World" and thought they had gotten to the "New World" before they hit
the colonies.

South America is of course part of the 'New World'. So is Canada.
The term comes from Peter Martyr's 'New World Chronicles'

http://www.athenapub.com/martyr1.htm

Potatoes, though grown sporadically during the 1600s in North America,
only gained popularity after 1719 it appears.
http://www.potatoes.com/Educational.cfm?Section=Growing-History.cfm

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sf said:

Elaine Parrish said:

When it finally got to England, the name, batata, had been corrupted
into patata and the English further corrupted it into potato.

persoanlly I preferi it in his taste and even
salty sometimes :-D
in italy they use Nutella or with whipped cream

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<singing> Tomato, tomata, Potato, patata... (if you don't know the
the reference isn't to Harry & Sally, you're *way* too young)

maybe not
hemmm oh MY GOD , YEEEEEEES hummm ahhhhh!

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Practice safe eating. Always use condiments.

and safe sex too :-D use C...... :-)

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