You know what I really hate?

Wayne Boatwright said:

On Fri 02 Dec 2005 09:56:02p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it modom?

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I hate utility monopolies. I hate doofus gas company technicians --
and I use that term with grave reservations.

<rant snipped>

Go electric!

Gas, underground and away from all those dang trees, is far more
reliable out here in Pugetopolis.

One time on Usenet said:

Wayne Boatwright said:

On Fri 02 Dec 2005 09:56:02p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it modom?

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I hate utility monopolies. I hate doofus gas company technicians --
and I use that term with grave reservations.

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<rant snipped>

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Go electric!

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Gas, underground and away from all those dang trees,

Heh!

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is far more reliable out here in Pugetopolis.

Too true! If our place weren't so rural, we'd probably be on the
gas line...

--
Jani in WA (S'mee)
~ mom, Trollop, novice cook ~

S'mee said:

MoM said:

Why not propane?

I just knew someone would ask that -- I've had propane in the past, and
don't like dealing with the smelly tank in the back yard, not to mention
that you're screwed if you run out...

If your propane tank smells it's only because it's leaking... one call
to the gas company remedies that pronto. And there is never ever a
reason to run out of propane, not unless you don't pay your bill. What
really smells is your fercocktah story/lies.

Sheldon

On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 19:28:19 GMT, Graphic Queen <[email hidden]>
wrote:

BullSh**!!!

It's the developers and the local governments that allow it. Like it
or not the Illegals are crucial to our economy and more often than not
decent hardworking men and women just looking for a better life. I
admire them for their courage.

Jim

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Just like the homes will be built all over the nation. It is the
illegals.

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Yeah, we have R26 in the walls and R50 in the ceiling. Not sure about the
floor. The construction is very tight.

> As for gas heating/appliances, grew up with it, and understand the
> technology so I know when/how to trust it.

I just have a personal vendetta against gas. :-)

I understand because I feel the same way about electric, only good for
lighting in my book.

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> Back to food, with a tie-in, made a HUGE pot of Chef Jim's 3 Bean
> Thunderin' A## Chile yesterday, the kids have been asking for it, now
> if I could just figure-out how to harness all that methane I could
> heat the house all winter...<G>
>
>
And the recipe for taht 3-bean chili would be, Jim?

I don't really use a recipe, for a basic batch I'll use a lb each of
ground beef, pork and hot Italian, carmelize some onions, whole bunch
of fresh garlic, roast a bunch of Anaheims, skin seed and chop. I
think the "secret" is just proper technique and fresh good quality
ingredients, ie I make sure my cumin seed and Mexican oregano are
fresh, toast and grind the cumin that sort of thing. Also I "2-stage"
the onions, in addition to the carmelized onion I begin with, I throw
in more that I've just softened. I will also soften some seeded fresh
japalenos.

I use canned kidney beans, light red, dark red and black beans, thus
the 3 Bean name. I just start emptying cans into the pot until it
looks right, most cans I drain first to keep the "soupyness" where I
want it. Canned diced tomatos and tomato sauce too, and once again I
just eye it.

The only other seasoning I use is New Mexico Chili Powder I buy by the
pound at the Food City in the Junction, Mojave is the brand name. And
of course Kosher salt and fresh cracked pepper to taste.

All in All just a generic version of what I call a classic midwestern
chili like everybody's Mom back east makes. Just with the proper
techniques and fresh, mostly, ingredients.

Take Care and enjoy the season, this is my last winter/Christmas in AZ
so I'm living it to the fullest.

Jim

Wayne,

Cox somehow lost your last post....If you had any questions...?

Jim

Graphic Queen said:

On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 09:15:04 -0700, [email hidden] wrote:

[snip] It's hard to believe any

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house in AZ is tightly built though, not that I don't believe you,
it's just that I've seen how they're built out here. Fast cheap and
crappy, there ought to be a law..

There are laws. They're called the building code.

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Just like the homes will be built all over the nation. It is the
illegals.

Yeah, right. It's "the illegals" who design them, spec them, buy the
materials, and supervise the building at breakneck speed without
adequate overtime pay. Those "illegals" who are paid less than union
wage and no benefits. Sure, who else would you blame? -aem

On Wed 07 Dec 2005 11:39:28a, wrote in rec.food.cooking:

Wayne,

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Cox somehow lost your last post....If you had any questions...?

Jim

No, questions, Jim, but this was the content of the previous post, intact.

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Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
Subject: Re: You know what I really hate?
From: Wayne Boatwright <[email hidden]>

On Tue 06 Dec 2005 09:15:04a, wrote in rec.food.cooking:

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Wayne,

Serious insulation is the only way to go, back in MI it's a religion,
must be the bitter cold 6 months a year. It's hard to believe any
house in AZ is tightly built though, not that I don't believe you,
it's just that I've seen how they're built out here. Fast cheap and
crappy, there ought to be a law..

I understand Michigan winters, Jim. I spent most of my life in NE Ohio
on the shore of Lake Erie.

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Yeah, we have R26 in the walls and R50 in the ceiling. Not sure about
the floor. The construction is very tight.

> As for gas heating/appliances, grew up with it, and understand the
> technology so I know when/how to trust it.

I just have a personal vendetta against gas. :-)

I understand because I feel the same way about electric, only good for
lighting in my book.

People seem to be clearly divided on the issue. :-)

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> Back to food, with a tie-in, made a HUGE pot of Chef Jim's 3 Bean
> Thunderin' A## Chile yesterday, the kids have been asking for it, now
> if I could just figure-out how to harness all that methane I could
> heat the house all winter...<G>
>
>
And the recipe for taht 3-bean chili would be, Jim?

I don't really use a recipe, for a basic batch I'll use a lb each of
ground beef, pork and hot Italian, carmelize some onions, whole bunch
of fresh garlic, roast a bunch of Anaheims, skin seed and chop. I
think the "secret" is just proper technique and fresh good quality
ingredients, ie I make sure my cumin seed and Mexican oregano are
fresh, toast and grind the cumin that sort of thing. Also I "2-stage"
the onions, in addition to the carmelized onion I begin with, I throw
in more that I've just softened. I will also soften some seeded fresh
japalenos.

I use canned kidney beans, light red, dark red and black beans, thus
the 3 Bean name. I just start emptying cans into the pot until it
looks right, most cans I drain first to keep the "soupyness" where I
want it. Canned diced tomatos and tomato sauce too, and once again I
just eye it.

The only other seasoning I use is New Mexico Chili Powder I buy by the
pound at the Food City in the Junction, Mojave is the brand name. And
of course Kosher salt and fresh cracked pepper to taste.

All in All just a generic version of what I call a classic midwestern
chili like everybody's Mom back east makes. Just with the proper
techniques and fresh, mostly, ingredients.

I make a really decent chili, not totally unlike yours, but I like your
pointers and will adopt some of them for mine, that I don't already do.
Saved all your notes!

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Take Care and enjoy the season, this is my last winter/Christmas in AZ
so I'm living it to the fullest.

You as well. Sorry you won't be getting back this way, but Christmas is
really nicer with snow. :-) (If not the whole winter.)

Have a great holiday!

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
____________________________________________

Give me a smart idiot over a stupid genius any day.
Sam Goldwyn, 1882-1974

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Wayne,

Serious insulation is the only way to go, back in MI it's a religion,
must be the bitter cold 6 months a year. It's hard to believe any
house in AZ is tightly built though, not that I don't believe you,
it's just that I've seen how they're built out here. Fast cheap and
crappy, there ought to be a law..

Insulation is needed regardless of whether heat or air conditioning
is you primary concern. You have good builders and crappy builders in
all parts of the country.
--
Susan N.

"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral,
48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974

One time on Usenet said:

S'mee said:

"MoM" said:

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Why not propane?

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I just knew someone would ask that -- I've had propane in the past, and
don't like dealing with the smelly tank in the back yard, not to mention
that you're screwed if you run out...

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If your propane tank smells it's only because it's leaking... one call
to the gas company remedies that pronto. And there is never ever a
reason to run out of propane, not unless you don't pay your bill. What
really smells is your fercocktah story/lies.

Sheldon

Nope, all true. We had a propane tank at our old house (mid-90's);
the place was built in 1945 and I suspect the tank wasn't much newer.
I did talk to the gas company about the odor, but they said we would
have to buy a new unit, and we didn't have the money.

And yes, we did run out of gas, but not because of a late bill. Our
place was on a steep hill that was hard to climb in Winter -- one
year, they couldn't get the truck up to us until two days after we'd
run out. Fortunately, it only affected our hot water and main heating
stove; the rest of the house was on electricity...

--
Jani in WA (S'mee)
~ mom, Trollop, novice cook ~

"S'mee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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I just knew someone would ask that -- I've had propane in the past, and
don't like dealing with the smelly tank in the back yard, not to mention
that you're screwed if you run out...

I've had propane for cooking for over 20 years now. Never an odor, never
ran out. Just got a delivery last week, in fact. Don't let one leaky tank
and one poor service dealer cloud the view.

"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"S'mee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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I just knew someone would ask that -- I've had propane in the past, and
don't like dealing with the smelly tank in the back yard, not to mention
that you're screwed if you run out...

I've had propane for cooking for over 20 years now. Never an odor, never
ran out. Just got a delivery last week, in fact. Don't let one leaky
tank and one poor service dealer cloud the view.

I don't have propane for cooking, but hot water & furnace. I've not had an
odor from them, as far as I know. I used to have natural gas many years ago
for cooking and I could always smell it when I walked in - a pilot light. I
had it checked many times and it was ok, but I always knew it was there.

I've had both oil and propane, and the tanks always been buried. When we
moved from Washington state, they had just enacted a law that if you were
selling your house, you had to dig it up if the new owner wanted it dug up.
Dee Dee

One time on Usenet said:

"S'mee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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I just knew someone would ask that -- I've had propane in the past, and
don't like dealing with the smelly tank in the back yard, not to mention
that you're screwed if you run out...

I've had propane for cooking for over 20 years now. Never an odor, never
ran out. Just got a delivery last week, in fact. Don't let one leaky tank
and one poor service dealer cloud the view.

Valid point, Ed -- for now we'll be sticking with electricity
simply because I can't afford anything new (would love to have
a nice gas stove); but if/when we have the money for a change,
I'll keep your comments in mind... :-)

--
Jani in WA (S'mee)
~ mom, Trollop, novice cook ~

Edwin Pawlowski said:

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I just knew someone would ask that -- I've had propane in the past, and
don't like dealing with the smelly tank in the back yard, not to mention
that you're screwed if you run out...

I've had propane for cooking for over 20 years now. Never an odor, never
ran out. Just got a delivery last week, in fact. Don't let one leaky tank
and one poor service dealer cloud the view.

Things may be different where you live, but around here, where electricity was
until recently cheap and plentiful, gas stoves where never very popular. Most
of those who had gas were in cities and towns were there were natural gas
lines. People in rural areas where there is no NG had the propane option, the
big tank in the yard. Those who supply the propane usually also do the
installation. There is not a lot of competition so if you have poor service you
are pretty much out of luck. FWIW, in the town where I live there is one
company that delivers propane. The next closes supplier is 25 miles away. I
never see their bulk tank truck out this way.

"Dave Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

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Edwin Pawlowski said:

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I just knew someone would ask that -- I've had propane in the past, and
don't like dealing with the smelly tank in the back yard, not to
mention
that you're screwed if you run out...

I've had propane for cooking for over 20 years now. Never an odor, never
ran out. Just got a delivery last week, in fact. Don't let one leaky
tank
and one poor service dealer cloud the view.

Things may be different where you live, but around here, where electricity
was
until recently cheap and plentiful, gas stoves where never very popular.
Most
of those who had gas were in cities and towns were there were natural gas
lines. People in rural areas where there is no NG had the propane option,
the
big tank in the yard. Those who supply the propane usually also do the
installation. There is not a lot of competition so if you have poor
service you
are pretty much out of luck. FWIW, in the town where I live there is one
company that delivers propane. The next closes supplier is 25 miles away.
I
never see their bulk tank truck out this way.

There are at least two -- perhaps three now - suppliers in our area. After
about 5 years of service, I called a couple of times to ask the competitor
the price of their propane. They wouldn't tell you UNLESS you were their
customer. When we switched, then same goes for the other one, no telling!
I don't know if things have changed, but probably not.
Dee Dee

Dee Randall said:

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big tank in the yard. Those who supply the propane usually also do the
installation. There is not a lot of competition so if you have poor
service you
are pretty much out of luck. FWIW, in the town where I live there is one
company that delivers propane. The next closes supplier is 25 miles away.
I
never see their bulk tank truck out this way.

There are at least two -- perhaps three now - suppliers in our area. After
about 5 years of service, I called a couple of times to ask the competitor
the price of their propane. They wouldn't tell you UNLESS you were their
customer. When we switched, then same goes for the other one, no telling!
I don't know if things have changed, but probably not.

Pity. I came close to buying a gas stove a few years ago when I was fed up with
my old stove with its unreliable oven and those solid burners that take so long
to heat up and so long to cool off. It was a lot more for an gas stove than for
electric, and they came set up for natural gas and I would have to pay extra to
have it converted to propane, plus the cost of the tank. I went with electric
for the new one. My neighbours have propane and they like it.

In article <[email hidden]>,

kalanamak said:

Wayne Boatwright wrote:

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Go electric!

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Gas, underground and away from all those dang trees, is far more
reliable out here in Pugetopolis.

I think everywhere. I'll post about our one and only problem with the
gas as a reply to the original post in this thread.

The electricity goes out every year or two. It is usually a storm, but
sometimes something else. We keep candles and flashlights on hand,
because it is usually at night.

So, it's a dark and stormy night. The lights go out. It's just me and
number one son. My wife and number two are in the hospital. Number two
was just born, and it isn't time for them to leave. Number one wants
some hot chocolate, but explains that it isn't going to happen, because
the microwave needs electricity, and we don't have any. I take him and
the flashlight into the kitchen. I put a pan with milk on the gas
stove. I heat it and make hot chocolate. He just stares at me. I am
God.

--
Dan Abel
[email hidden]
Petaluma, California, USA

In article <[email hidden]>,

modom said:

I hate utility monopolies. I hate doofus gas company technicians --
and I use that term with grave reservations.

We have had great experiences. We bought this house almost thirty years
ago. The gas was off once. I'm working on the weeds one weekend. It
smells like gas. I'm right next to the gas meter. I move my nose
closer. There is definitely a leak here. I call up. A woman shows up.
She is a little cranky. She is the only person on duty in the area. I
take her to the meter. She sprays it with a soap solution. It bubbles
big time. The meter is a goner. She replaces it. The shutoff valve is
no longer acceptable. She replaces that also. She's going to relight
the appliances, but I tell her not to bother. I know how to do that. I
am really nice to this woman. The bay is only about ten miles away. I
know if I made her mad, she could throw me in. She is that strong.

:-)

--
Dan Abel
[email hidden]
Petaluma, California, USA

On Sat 17 Dec 2005 10:01:09p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Dan Abel?

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

kalanamak said:

Wayne Boatwright wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Go electric!

Quoted message said:

Gas, underground and away from all those dang trees, is far more
reliable out here in Pugetopolis.

I think everywhere. I'll post about our one and only problem with the
gas as a reply to the original post in this thread.

The electricity goes out every year or two. It is usually a storm, but
sometimes something else. We keep candles and flashlights on hand,
because it is usually at night.

So, it's a dark and stormy night. The lights go out. It's just me and
number one son. My wife and number two are in the hospital. Number two
was just born, and it isn't time for them to leave. Number one wants
some hot chocolate, but explains that it isn't going to happen, because
the microwave needs electricity, and we don't have any. I take him and
the flashlight into the kitchen. I put a pan with milk on the gas
stove. I heat it and make hot chocolate. He just stares at me. I am
God.

That would not be enough reason for me to suffer through cooking with gas
every day of the year. <g>

--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
_____________________________________________

A chicken in every pot is a *LOT* of chicken!

Dan Abel <[email hidden]> looking for trouble wrote in news:dabel-
[email hidden]:

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In article <[email hidden]>,

kalanamak said:

Wayne Boatwright wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Go electric!

Quoted message said:

Gas, underground and away from all those dang trees, is far more
reliable out here in Pugetopolis.

I think everywhere. I'll post about our one and only problem with the
gas as a reply to the original post in this thread.

The electricity goes out every year or two. It is usually a storm, but
sometimes something else. We keep candles and flashlights on hand,
because it is usually at night.

So, it's a dark and stormy night. The lights go out. It's just me and
number one son. My wife and number two are in the hospital. Number two
was just born, and it isn't time for them to leave. Number one wants
some hot chocolate, but explains that it isn't going to happen, because
the microwave needs electricity, and we don't have any. I take him and
the flashlight into the kitchen. I put a pan with milk on the gas
stove. I heat it and make hot chocolate. He just stares at me. I am
God.

LOLOL... That is too cute. If you have a fireplace you should have roasted
#1 marshmallows and hot dogs to go with the mysterious hot chocolate 😉

Michael

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now owns all keyboards and computing devices in the household and has the
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In article <[email hidden]>,

Michael \'Dog3\' Lonergan said:

Dan Abel <[email hidden]> looking for trouble wrote in news:dabel-
[email hidden]:

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So, it's a dark and stormy night. The lights go out. It's just me and
number one son. My wife and number two are in the hospital. Number two
was just born, and it isn't time for them to leave. Number one wants
some hot chocolate, but explains that it isn't going to happen, because
the microwave needs electricity, and we don't have any. I take him and
the flashlight into the kitchen. I put a pan with milk on the gas
stove. I heat it and make hot chocolate. He just stares at me. I am
God.

LOLOL... That is too cute. If you have a fireplace you should have roasted
#1 marshmallows and hot dogs to go with the mysterious hot chocolate 😉

No fireplace. I think the power went off after dinner, so that was done
with. He was a cute kid. Sometimes. Once in a while.

We went to a church picnic at somebody's ranch. There was a swimming
hole nearby, within easy walking distance. Most people went there. A
couple of older folks forgot to wear their swimsuits. They were
swimming anyway. He just couldn't believe it. How can you swim without
a swimsuit? The nudity wasn't a problem. We don't always wear clothes
at our house. He didn't have a problem with that. He just didn't
understand how you could swim without a swimsuit.

--
Dan Abel
[email hidden]
Petaluma, California, USA