Wheels in print

Sandy said:

Just a thought, for all those who dispute everything about wheels.
I just received (did not yet read) the January 2006 issue of Le Cycle.
Reviews and test results for 100 different wheels.
Just offering this as a point of contemporary reference.

The most interesting reading, relating to that article

-the list of those, here, who also have read it.

Peace in the New Year of your choce.
--
Bonne route !

Sandy
Verneuil-sur-Seine FR

Too bad no long term tests for relaibility of the rim/spokes/hub, what
really matters for us mere mortals w/o a van full of wheels and
wrenches following us around.

Dans le message de
news:[email hidden],
Qui si parla Campagnolo <[email hidden]> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :

Quoted message said:

Sandy said:

Just a thought, for all those who dispute everything about wheels.
I just received (did not yet read) the January 2006 issue of Le
Cycle. Reviews and test results for 100 different wheels.
Just offering this as a point of contemporary reference.

The most interesting reading, relating to that article

-the list of those, here, who also have read it.

Peace in the New Year of your choce.
--
Bonne route !

Sandy
Verneuil-sur-Seine FR

Too bad no long term tests for relaibility of the rim/spokes/hub, what
really matters for us mere mortals w/o a van full of wheels and
wrenches following us around.

That's there too ...
No interest in reading ?
--
Sandy
--
S'endormir au volant, c'est très dangereux.
S'endormir à vélo, c'est très rare.
S'endormir à pied, c'est très con.
- Geluck, P.

Sandy said:

Dans le message de
news:[email hidden],
Qui si parla Campagnolo <[email hidden]> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :

Quoted message said:

Sandy said:

Just a thought, for all those who dispute everything about wheels.
I just received (did not yet read) the January 2006 issue of Le
Cycle. Reviews and test results for 100 different wheels.
Just offering this as a point of contemporary reference.

The most interesting reading, relating to that article

-the list of those, here, who also have read it.

Peace in the New Year of your choce.
--
Bonne route !

Sandy
Verneuil-sur-Seine FR

Too bad no long term tests for relaibility of the rim/spokes/hub, what
really matters for us mere mortals w/o a van full of wheels and
wrenches following us around.

That's there too ...
No interest in reading ?

I've never quite understood you (nor, frankly, given the task much
time). I know you're not interested in relaying information from the
article (copyright infringment, or something of that sort).

Last time I visited my local newsstand, the magazine wasn't available
here.

Is Le Cycle printed solely in French, or is it in English? If it's
printed solely in French, why *would* you assume that any of us have
read it. Isn't that the exact same kind of snobbery that Americans
are constantly accused of: assuming that everybody speaks their
language?

If it's printed in English, and if you'd like to send a copy of the
January issue of Le Cycle to Peter Chisholm and Jobst Brandt, it's
possible that they would read it.

If it's not printed in English, and it's not available in the States,
then what point are you trying so hard to make?
--
Live simply so that others may simply live

Dans le message de news:[email hidden],
Neil Brooks <[email hidden]> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :

Quoted message said:

Sandy said:

Dans le message de
news:[email hidden],
Qui si parla Campagnolo <[email hidden]> a réfléchi, et puis a
déclaré :

Quoted message said:

Sandy wrote:
> Just a thought, for all those who dispute everything about wheels.
> I just received (did not yet read) the January 2006 issue of Le
> Cycle. Reviews and test results for 100 different wheels.
> Just offering this as a point of contemporary reference.
>
> The most interesting reading, relating to that article
>
> -the list of those, here, who also have read it.
>
> Peace in the New Year of your choce.
> --
> Bonne route !
>
> Sandy
> Verneuil-sur-Seine FR

Too bad no long term tests for relaibility of the rim/spokes/hub,
what really matters for us mere mortals w/o a van full of wheels and
wrenches following us around.

That's there too ...
No interest in reading ?

I've never quite understood you (nor, frankly, given the task much
time). I know you're not interested in relaying information from the
article (copyright infringment, or something of that sort).

Last time I visited my local newsstand, the magazine wasn't available
here.

Is Le Cycle printed solely in French, or is it in English? If it's
printed solely in French, why *would* you assume that any of us have
read it. Isn't that the exact same kind of snobbery that Americans
are constantly accused of: assuming that everybody speaks their
language?

If it's printed in English, and if you'd like to send a copy of the
January issue of Le Cycle to Peter Chisholm and Jobst Brandt, it's
possible that they would read it.

If it's not printed in English, and it's not available in the States,
then what point are you trying so hard to make?

Gee, I didn't know that US citizenship was a prerequisite to discussing such
matters. Not that English is the only language spoken by US citizens. Nor
that technical folks can't understand the presentation of numerical data.
Nor that offering information could, of itself, be offensive. Didn't even
know that this forum's charter prohibits both non-English posts, as well as
references to non-English materials. But you sure seem to think all of
those are facts.

I was making no point, other than offering the reference. Do with it as you
will. By the way, your own variety of English is fine. Mine, I hope, is
passable.

I did, BTW, send Mr Brandt materials on contemporary tires about a year ago,
and I have no idea whether he read or digested it. I also sent frame flex
items. The magazine is available in the US ; I say that from memory of
those who have mentioned its availability.
--
Sandy
--
S'endormir au volant, c'est très dangereux.
S'endormir à vélo, c'est très rare.
S'endormir à pied, c'est très con.
- Geluck, P.

Sandy said:

Dans le message de news:[email hidden],
Neil Brooks <[email hidden]> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :

Quoted message said:

Sandy said:

Dans le message de
news:[email hidden],
Qui si parla Campagnolo <[email hidden]> a réfléchi, et puis a
déclaré :
> Sandy wrote:
>> Just a thought, for all those who dispute everything about wheels.
>> I just received (did not yet read) the January 2006 issue of Le
>> Cycle. Reviews and test results for 100 different wheels.
>> Just offering this as a point of contemporary reference.
>>
>> The most interesting reading, relating to that article
>>
>> -the list of those, here, who also have read it.
>>
>> Peace in the New Year of your choce.
>> --
>> Bonne route !
>>
>> Sandy
>> Verneuil-sur-Seine FR
>
> Too bad no long term tests for relaibility of the rim/spokes/hub,
> what really matters for us mere mortals w/o a van full of wheels and
> wrenches following us around.

That's there too ...
No interest in reading ?

I've never quite understood you (nor, frankly, given the task much
time). I know you're not interested in relaying information from the
article (copyright infringment, or something of that sort).

Last time I visited my local newsstand, the magazine wasn't available
here.

Is Le Cycle printed solely in French, or is it in English? If it's
printed solely in French, why *would* you assume that any of us have
read it. Isn't that the exact same kind of snobbery that Americans
are constantly accused of: assuming that everybody speaks their
language?

If it's printed in English, and if you'd like to send a copy of the
January issue of Le Cycle to Peter Chisholm and Jobst Brandt, it's
possible that they would read it.

If it's not printed in English, and it's not available in the States,
then what point are you trying so hard to make?

Gee, I didn't know that US citizenship was a prerequisite to discussing such
matters. Not that English is the only language spoken by US citizens. Nor
that technical folks can't understand the presentation of numerical data.
Nor that offering information could, of itself, be offensive. Didn't even
know that this forum's charter prohibits both non-English posts, as well as
references to non-English materials. But you sure seem to think all of
those are facts.

Sorry, but I don't believe that your feigned indignation is going to
win anybody over. I believe that your post, and my reply, speak for
themselves.

Quoted message said:

I was making no point, other than offering the reference. Do with it as you
will. By the way, your own variety of English is fine. Mine, I hope, is
passable.

I did, BTW, send Mr Brandt materials on contemporary tires about a year ago,
and I have no idea whether he read or digested it. I also sent frame flex
items. The magazine is available in the US ; I say that from memory of
those who have mentioned its availability.

--
Live simply so that others may simply live

Neil,
I didn't mind Sandy's post. I Googled "Le Cycle" magazine, and learned
that it doesn't seem to have any of its articles on the Web, as well as
that it is rather costly (78 Euros, about $95) for a year's subscription
delivered to the USA. I have never seen it for sale in Southern
California. (If it is, anyone who knows where, please let me know.)
So, it looks as if I won't be getting to read the magazine.

I still don't see anything wrong with Sandy telling us (the people who
look at r.b.tech - anywhere we might be) that it exists, and published
an article of some interest.
Colin

Colin Campbell said:

Neil,
I didn't mind Sandy's post. I Googled "Le Cycle" magazine, and learned
that it doesn't seem to have any of its articles on the Web, as well as
that it is rather costly (78 Euros, about $95) for a year's subscription
delivered to the USA. I have never seen it for sale in Southern
California. (If it is, anyone who knows where, please let me know.)
So, it looks as if I won't be getting to read the magazine.

I still don't see anything wrong with Sandy telling us (the people who
look at r.b.tech - anywhere we might be) that it exists, and published
an article of some interest.
Colin

1) Have you read many of Sandy's posts on this forum? There's a
history that provides significant context for my response.

2) There is a distinct 'tone' (again, made crystal clear if you have
followed Sandy's other posts) in the comment

Quoted message said:

The most interesting reading, relating to that article

-the list of those, here, who also have read it.

If you can offer me an interpretation of that comment that is either
friendly, helpful, or benign, I'll be grateful. I think it was simply
arrogant and snotty. Again, the context helps loads.

3) Another comment: "No interest in reading ?"

I, too, live in Southern California and have never seen this magazine
in the newsstands. It is, at the least (IMHO) arrogant to be so
condescending to the participants of r.b.t. for not having read
something that is 1) not readily available here, and 2) not printed in
a language that many of us can read.

An offer to post the salient data on a website, to summarize it, or to
send a copy (even if that requires obtaining permission from the
publisher--something the person living in France could possibly do
more readily than we) seems a far more congenial approach than a slam
that we're all ignorant of its contents.

4) Sandy's reply to my post, including the following:

Quoted message said:

Gee, I didn't know that US citizenship was a prerequisite to discussing such
matters. Not that English is the only language spoken by US citizens. Nor
that technical folks can't understand the presentation of numerical data.
Nor that offering information could, of itself, be offensive. Didn't even
know that this forum's charter prohibits both non-English posts, as well as
references to non-English materials. But you sure seem to think all of
those are facts.

took my comments into a realm where they should not reasonably have
been taken. My comments were in no way intended to 'declare r.b.t. an
English-only arena.' Rather, I stated a pretty clear set of facts: if
it's French, most of us likely can't read it. Further, most of us
likely don't have access to it.

Neil
--
Live simply so that others may simply live

Neil Brooks said:

Colin Campbell said:

Neil,
I didn't mind Sandy's post. I Googled "Le Cycle" magazine, and learned
that it doesn't seem to have any of its articles on the Web, as well as
that it is rather costly (78 Euros, about $95) for a year's subscription
delivered to the USA. I have never seen it for sale in Southern
California. (If it is, anyone who knows where, please let me know.)
So, it looks as if I won't be getting to read the magazine.

I still don't see anything wrong with Sandy telling us (the people who
look at r.b.tech - anywhere we might be) that it exists, and published
an article of some interest.
Colin

1) Have you read many of Sandy's posts on this forum? There's a
history that provides significant context for my response.

2) There is a distinct 'tone' (again, made crystal clear if you have
followed Sandy's other posts) in the comment

Quoted message said:

The most interesting reading, relating to that article

-the list of those, here, who also have read it.

If you can offer me an interpretation of that comment that is either
friendly, helpful, or benign, I'll be grateful. I think it was simply
arrogant and snotty. Again, the context helps loads.

3) Another comment: "No interest in reading ?"

I, too, live in Southern California and have never seen this magazine
in the newsstands. It is, at the least (IMHO) arrogant to be so
condescending to the participants of r.b.t. for not having read
something that is 1) not readily available here, and 2) not printed in
a language that many of us can read.

An offer to post the salient data on a website, to summarize it, or to
send a copy (even if that requires obtaining permission from the
publisher--something the person living in France could possibly do
more readily than we) seems a far more congenial approach than a slam
that we're all ignorant of its contents.

4) Sandy's reply to my post, including the following:

Quoted message said:

Gee, I didn't know that US citizenship was a prerequisite to discussing such
matters. Not that English is the only language spoken by US citizens. Nor
that technical folks can't understand the presentation of numerical data.
Nor that offering information could, of itself, be offensive. Didn't even
know that this forum's charter prohibits both non-English posts, as well as
references to non-English materials. But you sure seem to think all of
those are facts.

took my comments into a realm where they should not reasonably have
been taken. My comments were in no way intended to 'declare r.b.t. an
English-only arena.' Rather, I stated a pretty clear set of facts: if
it's French, most of us likely can't read it. Further, most of us
likely don't have access to it.

Neil
--
Live simply so that others may simply live

Speak for yourself. Some of us can read French just fine.

Quite frankly I don't understand why you'd take so much offense at
Sandy's post. Instead of going on an incoherent 4 point ad hominem
tirade, you could have said "We don't seem to get "Le Cycle" here
state-side, can you send a copy over?" I mean how would it have been
any different (for all over us) if it were a UK paper-only based
publication in English and only available over there? That would have
been at a minimum, more constructive.

Even if Sandy's prior posts does have a certain "tone" to them, does it
imply he also has some sort of arrogant Francophile tone in this new
post as well? Maybe I'm being dense, I just don't see the connection
you're attempting to make.

"damyth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Neil Brooks said:

Colin Campbell said:

Neil,
I didn't mind Sandy's post. I Googled "Le Cycle" magazine, and learned
that it doesn't seem to have any of its articles on the Web, as well as
that it is rather costly (78 Euros, about $95) for a year's subscription
delivered to the USA. I have never seen it for sale in Southern
California. (If it is, anyone who knows where, please let me know.)
So, it looks as if I won't be getting to read the magazine.

I still don't see anything wrong with Sandy telling us (the people who
look at r.b.tech - anywhere we might be) that it exists, and published
an article of some interest.
Colin

1) Have you read many of Sandy's posts on this forum? There's a
history that provides significant context for my response.

2) There is a distinct 'tone' (again, made crystal clear if you have
followed Sandy's other posts) in the comment

Quoted message said:

The most interesting reading, relating to that article

-the list of those, here, who also have read it.

If you can offer me an interpretation of that comment that is either
friendly, helpful, or benign, I'll be grateful. I think it was simply
arrogant and snotty. Again, the context helps loads.

3) Another comment: "No interest in reading ?"

I, too, live in Southern California and have never seen this magazine
in the newsstands. It is, at the least (IMHO) arrogant to be so
condescending to the participants of r.b.t. for not having read
something that is 1) not readily available here, and 2) not printed in
a language that many of us can read.

An offer to post the salient data on a website, to summarize it, or to
send a copy (even if that requires obtaining permission from the
publisher--something the person living in France could possibly do
more readily than we) seems a far more congenial approach than a slam
that we're all ignorant of its contents.

4) Sandy's reply to my post, including the following:

Quoted message said:

Gee, I didn't know that US citizenship was a prerequisite to discussing
such
matters. Not that English is the only language spoken by US citizens.
Nor
that technical folks can't understand the presentation of numerical
data.
Nor that offering information could, of itself, be offensive. Didn't
even
know that this forum's charter prohibits both non-English posts, as well
as
references to non-English materials. But you sure seem to think all of
those are facts.

took my comments into a realm where they should not reasonably have
been taken. My comments were in no way intended to 'declare r.b.t. an
English-only arena.' Rather, I stated a pretty clear set of facts: if
it's French, most of us likely can't read it. Further, most of us
likely don't have access to it.

Neil
--
Live simply so that others may simply live

Speak for yourself. Some of us can read French just fine.

Quite frankly I don't understand why you'd take so much offense at
Sandy's post. Instead of going on an incoherent 4 point ad hominem
tirade, you could have said "We don't seem to get "Le Cycle" here
state-side, can you send a copy over?" I mean how would it have been
any different (for all over us) if it were a UK paper-only based
publication in English and only available over there? That would have
been at a minimum, more constructive.

Even if Sandy's prior posts does have a certain "tone" to them, does it
imply he also has some sort of arrogant Francophile tone in this new
post as well? Maybe I'm being dense, I just don't see the connection
you're attempting to make.

It's all in the personal agenda. Wage war, flamefests, kill, maim,
destroy!!! But look innocent at the same time.

I don't see the connection either.

--
Phil, Squid-in-Training

Sandy said:

Dans le message de
news:[email hidden],
Qui si parla Campagnolo <[email hidden]> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :

Quoted message said:

Sandy said:

Just a thought, for all those who dispute everything about wheels.
I just received (did not yet read) the January 2006 issue of Le
Cycle. Reviews and test results for 100 different wheels.
Just offering this as a point of contemporary reference.

The most interesting reading, relating to that article

-the list of those, here, who also have read it.

Peace in the New Year of your choce.
--
Bonne route !

Sandy
Verneuil-sur-Seine FR

Too bad no long term tests for relaibility of the rim/spokes/hub, what
really matters for us mere mortals w/o a van full of wheels and
wrenches following us around.

That's there too ...
No interest in reading ?

Link? translation?

But I know there are no long term tests...

Sandy said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>
>> The most interesting reading, relating to that article, Some snipped.

I wrote-

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Too bad no long term tests for relaibility of the rim/spokes/hub,
> what really matters for us mere mortals w/o a van full of wheels and
> wrenches following us around.

Sandy- That's there too ...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

No interest in reading ?

I've never quite understood you (nor, frankly, given the task much
time). I know you're not interested in relaying information from the
article (copyright infringment, or something of that sort).

Last time I visited my local newsstand, the magazine wasn't available
here.

Is Le Cycle printed solely in French, or is it in English? If it's
printed solely in French, why *would* you assume that any of us have
read it. Isn't that the exact same kind of snobbery that Americans
are constantly accused of: assuming that everybody speaks their
language?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If it's printed in English, and if you'd like to send a copy of the
January issue of Le Cycle to Peter Chisholm and Jobst Brandt, it's
possible that they would read it.

If it's not printed in English, and it's not available in the States,
then what point are you trying so hard to make?

Gee, I didn't know that US citizenship was a prerequisite to discussing such
matters. Not that English is the only language spoken by US citizens. Nor
that technical folks can't understand the presentation of numerical data.
Nor that offering information could, of itself, be offensive. Didn't even
know that this forum's charter prohibits both non-English posts, as well as
references to non-English materials. But you sure seem to think all of
those are facts.

I was making no point, other than offering the reference. Do with it as you
will. By the way, your own variety of English is fine. Mine, I hope, is
passable.

I did, BTW, send Mr Brandt materials on contemporary tires about a year ago,
and I have no idea whether he read or digested it. I also sent frame flex
items. The magazine is available in the US ; I say that from memory of
those who have mentioned its availability.

Your point is obvious by your response, that somehow the less educated
of us can't understand the unversal, world language of French.....you
assume, by you first and third post that we are snobs cuz we insist on
reading something we understand....

Ya know, if it's great information...link in english please or just
keep it to yerself.

Dans le message de
news:[email hidden],
Qui si parla Campagnolo <[email hidden]> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :

Quoted message said:

Ya know, if it's great information...link in english please or just
keep it to yerself.

No link, no English. Some people may want to read it. I am starting to
wonder if you'd read something that challenges your views, even if it were
in English.

--
Sandy
--
Mobilité et stabilité ne sont pas antinomiques :
un cycliste n'est stable sur sa bicyclette
qu'en avançant.
- Chirac, J (who must have read Einstein)

On 23 Dec 2005 06:40:09 -0800, "Qui si parla Campagnolo" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Sandy said:

Quoted message said:

>>>
>>> The most interesting reading, relating to that article, Some snipped.

I wrote-

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> Too bad no long term tests for relaibility of the rim/spokes/hub,
>> what really matters for us mere mortals w/o a van full of wheels and
>> wrenches following us around.
>

Sandy- That's there too ...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> No interest in reading ?

I've never quite understood you (nor, frankly, given the task much
time). I know you're not interested in relaying information from the
article (copyright infringment, or something of that sort).

Last time I visited my local newsstand, the magazine wasn't available
here.

Is Le Cycle printed solely in French, or is it in English? If it's
printed solely in French, why *would* you assume that any of us have
read it. Isn't that the exact same kind of snobbery that Americans
are constantly accused of: assuming that everybody speaks their
language?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If it's printed in English, and if you'd like to send a copy of the
January issue of Le Cycle to Peter Chisholm and Jobst Brandt, it's
possible that they would read it.

If it's not printed in English, and it's not available in the States,
then what point are you trying so hard to make?

Gee, I didn't know that US citizenship was a prerequisite to discussing such
matters. Not that English is the only language spoken by US citizens. Nor
that technical folks can't understand the presentation of numerical data.
Nor that offering information could, of itself, be offensive. Didn't even
know that this forum's charter prohibits both non-English posts, as well as
references to non-English materials. But you sure seem to think all of
those are facts.

I was making no point, other than offering the reference. Do with it as you
will. By the way, your own variety of English is fine. Mine, I hope, is
passable.

I did, BTW, send Mr Brandt materials on contemporary tires about a year ago,
and I have no idea whether he read or digested it. I also sent frame flex
items. The magazine is available in the US ; I say that from memory of
those who have mentioned its availability.

Your point is obvious by your response, that somehow the less educated
of us can't understand the unversal, world language of French.....you
assume, by you first and third post that we are snobs cuz we insist on
reading something we understand....

Ya know, if it's great information...link in english please or just
keep it to yerself.

This is the sort of attitude that makes Bob Roll's "ture day france" so funny.

Ron

"Phil, Squid-in-Training" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

"damyth" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

[snip]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Speak for yourself. Some of us can read French just fine.

I, uh, did. My words were, "many of us." I'm going to go out on a
limb here and say that's fairly accurate.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quite frankly I don't understand why you'd take so much offense at
Sandy's post. Instead of going on an incoherent 4 point ad hominem

You should look up that word, ad hominem.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

tirade, you could have said "We don't seem to get "Le Cycle" here
state-side, can you send a copy over?" I mean how would it have been
any different (for all over us) if it were a UK paper-only based
publication in English and only available over there? That would have
been at a minimum, more constructive.

Again, if you're lacking the context of previous exchanges, then
you're right.

This is not the first time this particular scenario has come up by
this particular poster.

Here. Follow this thread: http://snipurl.com/l0vk and watch the
attacks unfold.

Actually, Phil: you participated in that thread, too ;-)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Even if Sandy's prior posts does have a certain "tone" to them, does it
imply he also has some sort of arrogant Francophile tone in this new
post as well? Maybe I'm being dense, I just don't see the connection
you're attempting to make.

It's all in the personal agenda. Wage war, flamefests, kill, maim,
destroy!!! But look innocent at the same time.

I don't see the connection either.

It's pretty clear that Peter does. I imagine that Jobst would, too.
Sandy has a history of gratuitously jabbing at, at least, these two
gentleman, whose posts represent a fairly substantial percentage of
the worthwhile information on r.b.t., IMO.

It gets tiresome--at least to me.

If not to you--or if you haven't watched it (d)evolve--that's fine,
too.
--
Live simply so that others may simply live

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Ya know, if it's great information...link in english please or just
keep it to yerself.

IMO, if the information isn't available in a given language, then the
message promoting it probably shouldn't be in that language either
unless the material is available in a manner that permits for easy
translation via someting like Babelfish. I understand just enough
French that I'd probably be able to read it, but the cited mag is
neither available to me online nor can it be purchased locally. Since
it appears that this is the case for the majority of the world,
posting the note about it in English in a worldwide forum (which as
far as I can tell is fairly tolerant of the few non-English postings
that have been seen) is quite pointless.
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Dans le message de news:[email hidden],
Werehatrack <[email hidden]> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :

Quoted message said:

posting the note about it in English

You would have preferred it in which language ?

Quoted message said:

in a worldwide forum (which as far as I can tell is fairly tolerant

"tolerant" - that means ??? synonym for language-challenged ?

Quoted message said:

of the few non-English postings
that have been seen) is quite pointless.

Not on your reading list - OK.
Yet another explanation why a nation of 300 million or so dominates the
sport.
--
Sandy
--
C'est le contraire du vélo, la bicyclette.
Une silhouette profilée mauve fluo dévale
à soixante-dix à l'heure : c'est du vélo.
Deux lycéennes côte à côte traversent
un pont à Bruges : c'est de la bicyclette.
-Delerm, P.

Sandy said:

Dans le message de news:[email hidden],
Werehatrack <[email hidden]> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :

Quoted message said:

posting the note about it in English

You would have preferred it in which language ?

Quoted message said:

in a worldwide forum (which as far as I can tell is fairly tolerant

"tolerant" - that means ??? synonym for language-challenged ?

Quoted message said:

of the few non-English postings
that have been seen) is quite pointless.

Not on your reading list - OK.
Yet another explanation why a nation of 300 million or so dominates the
sport.
--
Sandy

.... who keeps making my case for me ....
--
Live simply so that others may simply live

Sandy said:

Dans le message de news:[email hidden],
Werehatrack <[email hidden]> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :

Quoted message said:

posting the note about it in English

You would have preferred it in which language ?

Quoted message said:

in a worldwide forum (which as far as I can tell is fairly tolerant

"tolerant" - that means ??? synonym for language-challenged ?

Quoted message said:

of the few non-English postings
that have been seen) is quite pointless.

Not on your reading list - OK.
Yet another explanation why a nation of 300 million or so dominates the
sport.

In the last 20 Tours de France (1986-2005):

*US riders won the GC ten times ('86, '89, '90, 99, 2000, '01, '02,
'03, '04, '05)

*French riders won the GC.....oh...oh, I see....never mind. :-(

You were saying, Sandy?

Sandy said:

Dans le message de news:[email hidden],
Werehatrack <[email hidden]> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :

Quoted message said:

posting the note about it in English

You would have preferred it in which language ?

Quoted message said:

in a worldwide forum (which as far as I can tell is fairly tolerant

"tolerant" - that means ??? synonym for language-challenged ?

Quoted message said:

of the few non-English postings
that have been seen) is quite pointless.

Not on your reading list - OK.
Yet another explanation why a nation of 300 million or so dominates the
sport.

In the last 20 Tours de France (1986-2005):

*US riders won the GC ten times ('86, '89, '90, 99, 2000, '01, '02,
'03, '04, '05)

*French riders won the GC.....oh...oh, I see....never mind. :-(

You were saying, Sandy?