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  1. sf said:


    I love electric and distrust gas too. The only thing I think gas is
    good for is great percolated coffee.
    --

    I've used electric ranges most of my life except for a stay in an apartment
    when we were first married.
    For safety, gas smells (from additives)! Up until the last three years,
    I've always used electric ranges with conventional burners but must admit
    I'd like to ditch my smoothtop, even though it's easy to clean. I find it
    harder to regulate the heat than with any other electric range I've had. (so
    there - here starts a whole new thread on smoothtop ranges.)

    Dora

  2. "limey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message >

    Quoted message said:

    I've used electric ranges most of my life except for a stay in an
    apartment when we were first married.
    For safety, gas smells (from additives)! Up until the last three years,
    I've always used electric ranges with conventional burners but must admit
    I'd like to ditch my smoothtop, even though it's easy to clean. I find
    it harder to regulate the heat than with any other electric range I've
    had. (so there - here starts a whole new thread on smoothtop ranges.)


    I forgot to mention - we live beyond city gas lines so people are condemned
    to large LPG tanks in the yard.

    Dora

  3. On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 22:57:52 -0500, Stan Horwitz <[email hidden]>
    wrote:
    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    I got back to Jan and Rob's a few minutes later and Jan showed me that I
    must have not turned off the burner, as I thought I had. It was still
    on, but not on the high setting. I had no idea because the red color of
    the burner element went off, so I thought it was reasonably cool. If it
    was gas, I could have easily seen that the burner was not off.
    Fortunately, I did not make that mistake with the pot of mac & cheese,
    so it came out fine and it was a big hit at the party.

    My sister consoled me and she said it took her a while to get used to
    her electric range.

    That's very true. I have had both over the years in apartments. With
    the first electric I had, I also learned the hard way to watch very
    carefully when turning burners on/off. A roommate had left a frying
    pan with grease on the stove and I put a pot of tea on, but picked the
    wrong dial. The pan with grease heated up and caught on fire.
    Fortunately I was close by and smothered it with the lid.

    I learned two lessons that day: 1. always wait to check the burner
    to make sure that the one you want is on/off, and 2. always keep the
    lid handy when frying even if you're not using it.

    Both types of fuel are do-able; a lot depends on the situation. If
    you live in a drafty castle with wind howling through the kitchen and
    blowing out the flame ;> then an electric stove would be better.

    Although I prefer gas, I had no problem adapting to electric in
    various apartments. I think some of the issues people have with
    either type are with cheap/old units or when switching from one fuel
    to the other.

    When I chose a new range for myself, I looked for and bought a gas
    cooktop/gas oven. I was so happy the house had gas service so I
    wasn't compelled to buy an electric range (or clothes dryer).

    Sorry about the meatballs. I did get a chuckle out of the idea of
    your sister washing them 🙂

    Sue(tm)
    Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

  4. "biig" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Peter Huebner wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Yeah, with professional grade equipment. Alas, I've two friends in whose
    kitchen I HATE to cook, because they have gas tops. If there's the
    slightest
    breeze outside you have to close the windows, because you can no longer
    get the
    water to boil on their stove. At another friend's place the crossdraft
    blows
    the gas flame out alltogether.

    The only gas / propane stove I have ever used has been in our rv's
    we've had over the years. Breezes are definitely a problem. I have
    electric at home and always have. ....Sharon

    I can't imagine this ... all the years I've had gas stoves, only had
    an electric stove once and that was in my ex's apartment ... I
    have *never* had the gas flame blow out. Wouldn't even cross
    my mind it could happen.

    Wonder why that is?

    nancy

  5. Melba's Jammin said:

    The lowest setting on my
    burners will still burn a thick mixture if I don't stir and I set a
    timer when I'm in the house to remind myself to stir.

    Same here, I hate my electric cooker.

    I have just bought a metal griddle thing though, which fits over the two
    front electric hotplates... for cooking drop scones, pancakes or to use as a
    griddle for eggs, bacon etc....

    Now I wonder.... if I left that on there all the time, and put pans on
    top.... might it dissipate the heat on the lowest setting.... enough not to
    burn stuff?

    I'll let you know.

    --
    Sue in Portsmouth,
    "Old" Hampshire,
    "Old" England, UK

  6. On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 22:57:52 -0500, Stan Horwitz <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    About a year ago, my sister and her boyfriend (now husband) moved into a
    home with an electric range in their kitchen. So, last night (New Years
    Eve), I was up until around 1:30am making food for my dad's birthday
    party, which my sister and I made at her house tonight.

    I cook with gas appliances; always have. So, the meatballs turned out
    great. I tried a few for breakfast. Delicious! This afternoon, I loaded
    the pot of meatballs into my car along with numerous other food items
    and drove to Jan and Rob's house. I got there right on time.

    I proceeded to put the pot of meatballs on my sister's range to warm
    them up. I cranked up her electric range to about 75% of maximum. A few
    minutes later, meatballs are bubbling away, so I turned off the heat. I
    realized I was late picking up a friend from a nearby train station, so
    I asked my sister to check on the meatballs, then I drove over to pick
    up my friend. I also did the same thing with the pot of homemade mac &
    cheese I made this morning.

    My sister calls me on my cell phone just as I arrived at the train
    station. Jan told me the meatballs are incinerated! I asked Jan to taste
    one. She does. Disgusting. While I was looking for my friend at the
    train station, Jan and Rob tried to wash off the meatballs, thinking it
    was the sauce that was burnt. No go. Fortunately, the train station is
    adjacent to a nice supermarket. My friend Jen and I went into the
    supermarket and I picked up three of those roasted chickens, and a roll
    of paper towels (that my sister requested).

    I got back to Jan and Rob's a few minutes later and Jan showed me that I
    must have not turned off the burner, as I thought I had. It was still
    on, but not on the high setting. I had no idea because the red color of
    the burner element went off, so I thought it was reasonably cool. If it
    was gas, I could have easily seen that the burner was not off.
    Fortunately, I did not make that mistake with the pot of mac & cheese,
    so it came out fine and it was a big hit at the party.

    My sister consoled me and she said it took her a while to get used to
    her electric range. Rob, the philosophy teacher (literally), also tried
    to console me, by explaining that the outcome was the same either way,
    in that we all got to enjoy some great food and nice company and we all
    had a nice time. But I would have much preferred not to have to spend an
    extra $20 on dinner (which my sister thanked me for), and I would have
    preferred those meatballs go into the guests' tummies rather than a
    garbage disposal. I will deal with the burnt pot tomorrow!

    Did I mention, I hate electric ranges? Whomever thought up the idea of
    an electric range out to be slaughtered and forced to eat my burned
    meatballs!

    can somebody tell me what it is about this stove that makes all the
    rich people want to have one in their kitchen?
    http://www.vikingrange.com/

    I wonder what it does to make it cost four times as much a regular
    stoves?

    Bill

  7. Nancy Young said:

    "biig" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Peter Huebner wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Yeah, with professional grade equipment. Alas, I've two friends in whose
    kitchen I HATE to cook, because they have gas tops. If there's the
    slightest
    breeze outside you have to close the windows, because you can no longer
    get the
    water to boil on their stove. At another friend's place the crossdraft
    blows
    the gas flame out alltogether.

    The only gas / propane stove I have ever used has been in our rv's
    we've had over the years. Breezes are definitely a problem. I have
    electric at home and always have. ....Sharon

    I can't imagine this ... all the years I've had gas stoves, only had
    an electric stove once and that was in my ex's apartment ... I
    have *never* had the gas flame blow out. Wouldn't even cross
    my mind it could happen.

    Wonder why that is?

    Can happen with the older style gas stoves that have pilot lights and
    don't have sealed burners... especially when these old style stoves are
    installed contrary to instructions and municipal code. When idiots
    decide to install gas stanchions themselves and don't read the rules,
    they place the gas supply so that the stove will be installed in front
    of a window and/or next to exterior doorways. I had a neighbor whose
    gas burners kept blowing out, when I moved the stove to check there was
    a hole in the floor where the gas line came up from the basement large
    enough for a cat to crawl through... any gas stove Users manual will
    explain how there must be caulking around where the gas line enters.
    It shouldn't take any exceptionally high IQ to realize that open flames
    can be blown out. But it's been quite a few years now since gas stoves
    have been manufactured that have pilot lights and more and more have
    sealed burners, and with the newer burner designs it's near impossible
    to blow out the flame.

  8. On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 11:06:50 -0500, "Nancy Young" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    "biig" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Peter Huebner wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Yeah, with professional grade equipment. Alas, I've two friends in whose
    kitchen I HATE to cook, because they have gas tops. If there's the
    slightest
    breeze outside you have to close the windows, because you can no longer
    get the
    water to boil on their stove. At another friend's place the crossdraft
    blows
    the gas flame out alltogether.

    The only gas / propane stove I have ever used has been in our rv's
    we've had over the years. Breezes are definitely a problem. I have
    electric at home and always have. ....Sharon

    I can't imagine this ... all the years I've had gas stoves, only had
    an electric stove once and that was in my ex's apartment ... I
    have *never* had the gas flame blow out. Wouldn't even cross
    my mind it could happen.

    Wonder why that is?

    Because they are in an RV. Plus, they are cooking with an RV stove.

    I've never had problems with gas flames blowing out either. But I've
    never had a kitchen with that kind of breeze. Hopefully they are not
    talking about such a draft in the winter, but instead open windows in
    mild weather. It would have to be a particular configuration, where a
    strong air current blows across the stove or in a small area where the
    breezes create significant turbulence. I don't have openable windows
    in my kitchen, but if I did, if the breeze was so strong as to blow
    out the flame, I'd close the windows while cooking anyway because it
    would blow other stuff (flour, herbs) around. My kitchen door is on
    the same wall as the stove so breezes do not blow across the stove.

    Plus, there are stoves and there are stoves. Just like old electric
    coils heat unevenly with hot spots, a gas stove without good
    maintenance, eg. out of adjustment (poor air/gas mix), conceivably
    could have problems in various situations. If you've ever used a
    bunsen burner, you know that you can have a strong pointed flame or a
    weak wavy flame (that will go out when someone walks by) depending on
    how you adjust it.

    Sue(tm)
    Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

  9. Wayne Boatwright said:

    On Sun 01 Jan 2006 10:34:18p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it ?

    Quoted message said:

    On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 22:57:52 -0500, Stan Horwitz <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    You never see an electric cooktop in a restaurant kitchen. They are
    always gas.

    I'm not cooking in a restaurant kitchen.

    go Wayne...you tell em!

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    These chefs know what's best - so there's no argument.

    What is arguable is whether what is best in a restaurant kitchen is also best
    for a home kitchen.

    ah...keep going Wayne...you know come to think of it....every
    restaurant kitchen I have ever been in had a gas range...there's got
    to be a logical reason for this?

    Bill

  10. EastneyEnder said:
    Melba's Jammin said:

    The lowest setting on my
    burners will still burn a thick mixture if I don't stir and I set a
    timer when I'm in the house to remind myself to stir.

    Same here, I hate my electric cooker.

    I have just bought a metal griddle thing though, which fits over the two
    front electric hotplates... for cooking drop scones, pancakes or to use as a
    griddle for eggs, bacon etc....

    Now I wonder.... if I left that on there all the time, and put pans on
    top.... might it dissipate the heat on the lowest setting.... enough not to
    burn stuff?

    I'll let you know.

    When I had an electric stove I bought a couple of metal plates that
    clipped onto the electric coils to soften and diffuse the heat. It
    worked very well.

    I also have "flame spreaders" that do the same for gas burners.

    Sue(tm)
    Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

  11. On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 22:57:52 -0500, Stan Horwitz <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I got back to Jan and Rob's a few minutes later and Jan showed me that I
    must have not turned off the burner, as I thought I had. It was still
    on, but not on the high setting. I had no idea because the red color of
    the burner element went off, so I thought it was reasonably cool.

    If the burner was red while you were re-heating your meatballs,
    then it was too high to begin with. You should only see red when
    boiling something.

    [Assuming these are the external coil element burners]

    -sw

  12. Bill said:

    On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 22:57:52 -0500, Stan Horwitz <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    About a year ago, my sister and her boyfriend (now husband) moved into a
    home with an electric range in their kitchen. So, last night (New Years
    Eve), I was up until around 1:30am making food for my dad's birthday
    party, which my sister and I made at her house tonight.

    I cook with gas appliances; always have. So, the meatballs turned out
    great. I tried a few for breakfast. Delicious! This afternoon, I loaded
    the pot of meatballs into my car along with numerous other food items
    and drove to Jan and Rob's house. I got there right on time.

    I proceeded to put the pot of meatballs on my sister's range to warm
    them up. I cranked up her electric range to about 75% of maximum. A few
    minutes later, meatballs are bubbling away, so I turned off the heat. I
    realized I was late picking up a friend from a nearby train station, so
    I asked my sister to check on the meatballs, then I drove over to pick
    up my friend. I also did the same thing with the pot of homemade mac &
    cheese I made this morning.

    My sister calls me on my cell phone just as I arrived at the train
    station. Jan told me the meatballs are incinerated! I asked Jan to taste
    one. She does. Disgusting. While I was looking for my friend at the
    train station, Jan and Rob tried to wash off the meatballs, thinking it
    was the sauce that was burnt. No go. Fortunately, the train station is
    adjacent to a nice supermarket. My friend Jen and I went into the
    supermarket and I picked up three of those roasted chickens, and a roll
    of paper towels (that my sister requested).

    I got back to Jan and Rob's a few minutes later and Jan showed me that I
    must have not turned off the burner, as I thought I had. It was still
    on, but not on the high setting. I had no idea because the red color of
    the burner element went off, so I thought it was reasonably cool. If it
    was gas, I could have easily seen that the burner was not off.
    Fortunately, I did not make that mistake with the pot of mac & cheese,
    so it came out fine and it was a big hit at the party.

    My sister consoled me and she said it took her a while to get used to
    her electric range. Rob, the philosophy teacher (literally), also tried
    to console me, by explaining that the outcome was the same either way,
    in that we all got to enjoy some great food and nice company and we all
    had a nice time. But I would have much preferred not to have to spend an
    extra $20 on dinner (which my sister thanked me for), and I would have
    preferred those meatballs go into the guests' tummies rather than a
    garbage disposal. I will deal with the burnt pot tomorrow!

    Did I mention, I hate electric ranges? Whomever thought up the idea of
    an electric range out to be slaughtered and forced to eat my burned
    meatballs!

    can somebody tell me what it is about this stove that makes all the
    rich people want to have one in their kitchen?
    http://www.vikingrange.com/

    I wonder what it does to make it cost four times as much a regular
    stoves?

    Actually nothing... but folks with many more dollars than they know
    what to do with typically puchase all sorts of over hyped things. And
    sometimes there is just no anwer to a question... like my father could
    never fathom why my mother needed a hundred pairs of shoes, most of
    which she never wore.

  13. On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 11:49:36 -0500, Bill <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    can somebody tell me what it is about this stove that makes all the
    rich people want to have one in their kitchen?
    http://www.vikingrange.com/

    I wonder what it does to make it cost four times as much a regular
    stoves?

    I have to say they are attractive.

    Other than that, my guess is that rich people start looking at the top
    end and don't worry about value. They never make it down to our price
    range. They probably buy cars and watches the same way. 🙂

    Sue(tm)
    Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

  14. "Curly Sue" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 11:06:50 -0500, "Nancy Young" <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "biig" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Peter Huebner wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    > Yeah, with professional grade equipment. Alas, I've two friends in
    > whose
    > kitchen I HATE to cook, because they have gas tops. If there's the
    > slightest
    > breeze outside you have to close the windows, because you can no longer
    > get the
    > water to boil on their stove. At another friend's place the crossdraft
    > blows
    > the gas flame out alltogether.

    The only gas / propane stove I have ever used has been in our rv's
    we've had over the years. Breezes are definitely a problem. I have
    electric at home and always have. ....Sharon

    I can't imagine this ... all the years I've had gas stoves, only had
    an electric stove once and that was in my ex's apartment ... I
    have *never* had the gas flame blow out. Wouldn't even cross
    my mind it could happen.

    Wonder why that is?

    Because they are in an RV. Plus, they are cooking with an RV stove.

    It doesn't sound as if Peter's friend's are RV kitchens.

    Quoted message said:

    I've never had problems with gas flames blowing out either. But I've
    never had a kitchen with that kind of breeze. Hopefully they are not
    talking about such a draft in the winter, but instead open windows in
    mild weather. It would have to be a particular configuration, where a
    strong air current blows across the stove or in a small area where the
    breezes create significant turbulence.

    I guess that must be it. I've never had a kitchen where it was
    really breezy by the stove. Perhaps that would be a good
    argument against stoves on an island?

    Quoted message said:

    I don't have openable windows
    in my kitchen, but if I did, if the breeze was so strong as to blow
    out the flame, I'd close the windows while cooking anyway because it
    would blow other stuff (flour, herbs) around.

    Very good point.

    Quoted message said:

    could have problems in various situations. If you've ever used a
    bunsen burner, you know that you can have a strong pointed flame or a
    weak wavy flame (that will go out when someone walks by) depending on
    how you adjust it.

    Yeah, I can see that, also I could see if the flame was so low as to
    almost be invisible. That could go out easily.

    On a related note, I saw this kitchen remodel on foodtv today,
    the layout was *horrible* ... could not believe the people went to
    all this trouble, supposedly professionals, and allow this situation.

    The stove and the refrigerator were next to each other, right next
    to each other, unavoidable sometimes but not ideal. These two
    were, as far as I'm concerned, in the dining room of the place.
    On the other side of the stove, nothing. It just butted out into
    air. You could stand on two sides of this stove and cook.

    It was just wrong, and there was another place they could have
    put the stove. Even if that seems okay to someone, think about
    this. Say you have a plate of food you want to put into a pan
    that's on the stove. Hope you weren't planning on putting the plate
    down while you did that ... no place to put anything down!

    Just made me shake my head. Did I mention you had to go
    between the stove/oven and a counter on the other side to get
    into the kitchen? Just what I like, squeezing past a lit stove.

    nancy

  15. "Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Nancy Young wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I can't imagine this ... all the years I've had gas stoves, only had
    an electric stove once and that was in my ex's apartment ... I
    have *never* had the gas flame blow out. Wouldn't even cross
    my mind it could happen.

    Wonder why that is?

    Can happen with the older style gas stoves that have pilot lights and
    don't have sealed burners... especially when these old style stoves are
    installed contrary to instructions and municipal code. When idiots
    decide to install gas stanchions themselves and don't read the rules,
    they place the gas supply so that the stove will be installed in front
    of a window and/or next to exterior doorways.

    That's what I was thinking, Sheldon. Perhaps the stove is in the
    wrong place. I've seen layouts that made me think ... has the town
    inspector seen this getup?

    Quoted message said:

    It shouldn't take any exceptionally high IQ to realize that open flames
    can be blown out.j

    Of course, I just never ran into a situation where it did on a
    stove.

    Quoted message said:

    But it's been quite a few years now since gas stoves
    have been manufactured that have pilot lights and more and more have
    sealed burners, and with the newer burner designs it's near impossible
    to blow out the flame.

    Yeah, those are definitely improvements in design, much better
    than they used to be.

    nancy

  16. Stan Horwitz said:

    Did I mention, I hate electric ranges? Whomever thought up the idea of
    an electric range out to be slaughtered and forced to eat my burned
    meatballs!

    Ya' gotta be smarter than the tool.

    nb

  17. In article <[email hidden]>,

    EastneyEnder said:

    Now I wonder.... if I left that on there all the time, and put pans on
    top.... might it dissipate the heat on the lowest setting.... enough not to
    burn stuff?

    I'll let you know.

    Probably would.
    --
    http://www.jamlady.eboard.com, updated 1-1-2006, Sam I Am! and Hello!

  18. On Mon 02 Jan 2006 10:02:17a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Bill?

    Quoted message said:
    Wayne Boatwright said:

    On Sun 01 Jan 2006 10:34:18p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it ?

    Quoted message said:

    On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 22:57:52 -0500, Stan Horwitz <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    You never see an electric cooktop in a restaurant kitchen. They are
    always gas.

    I'm not cooking in a restaurant kitchen.

    go Wayne...you tell em!

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    These chefs know what's best - so there's no argument.

    What is arguable is whether what is best in a restaurant kitchen is also
    best for a home kitchen.

    ah...keep going Wayne...you know come to think of it....every
    restaurant kitchen I have ever been in had a gas range...there's got
    to be a logical reason for this?

    One of the reasons is economy, as gas is much cheaper to use commercially.
    If I'm not mistaken, ocean liners use electricity primarily for safety
    reasons, and they easily turn out huge volumes of generally excellent food.

    All the years I lived at home my parents had gas ranges. I never really
    liked cooking on them, and especially didn't like baking in the gas oven.
    I didn't fully realize how much I disliked it until I had my first
    apartment and had an electric cooktop and wall oven. When my mom helped me
    cook a holiday meal in my apartment, the following week she bought an
    electric range. Neither of us ever went back to gas.

    Choice of one over the other is a very personal thing. As I said in an
    earlier post, each has its devotees and detractors, for whatever reason.

    Ignorance is a big issue when folks have cooking failures when cooking on
    something unfamiliar. What gets me is that they blame the equipment rather
    than their ignorance of how to use it. I can effectively cook on either
    gas or electric and occasionally cook on friends' gas ranges without a
    problem. I simply don't like to cook with gas and would consistently
    refuse to have it in my home.

    --
    Wayne Boatwright *¿*
    __________________________________________________________________
    And if we enter a room full of manure, may we believe in the pony.

  19. In article <[email hidden]>, bigc300
    @carolina.rr.com says...

    Quoted message said:

    On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 22:57:52 -0500, Stan Horwitz <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    About a year ago, my sister and her boyfriend (now husband) moved into a
    home with an electric range in their kitchen. So, last night (New Years
    Eve), I was up until around 1:30am making food for my dad's birthday
    party, which my sister and I made at her house tonight.

    I cook with gas appliances; always have. So, the meatballs turned out
    great. I tried a few for breakfast. Delicious! This afternoon, I loaded
    the pot of meatballs into my car along with numerous other food items
    and drove to Jan and Rob's house. I got there right on time.

    I proceeded to put the pot of meatballs on my sister's range to warm
    them up. I cranked up her electric range to about 75% of maximum. A few
    minutes later, meatballs are bubbling away, so I turned off the heat. I
    realized I was late picking up a friend from a nearby train station, so
    I asked my sister to check on the meatballs, then I drove over to pick
    up my friend. I also did the same thing with the pot of homemade mac &
    cheese I made this morning.

    My sister calls me on my cell phone just as I arrived at the train
    station. Jan told me the meatballs are incinerated! I asked Jan to taste
    one. She does. Disgusting. While I was looking for my friend at the
    train station, Jan and Rob tried to wash off the meatballs, thinking it
    was the sauce that was burnt. No go. Fortunately, the train station is
    adjacent to a nice supermarket. My friend Jen and I went into the
    supermarket and I picked up three of those roasted chickens, and a roll
    of paper towels (that my sister requested).

    I got back to Jan and Rob's a few minutes later and Jan showed me that I
    must have not turned off the burner, as I thought I had. It was still
    on, but not on the high setting. I had no idea because the red color of
    the burner element went off, so I thought it was reasonably cool. If it
    was gas, I could have easily seen that the burner was not off.
    Fortunately, I did not make that mistake with the pot of mac & cheese,
    so it came out fine and it was a big hit at the party.

    My sister consoled me and she said it took her a while to get used to
    her electric range. Rob, the philosophy teacher (literally), also tried
    to console me, by explaining that the outcome was the same either way,
    in that we all got to enjoy some great food and nice company and we all
    had a nice time. But I would have much preferred not to have to spend an
    extra $20 on dinner (which my sister thanked me for), and I would have
    preferred those meatballs go into the guests' tummies rather than a
    garbage disposal. I will deal with the burnt pot tomorrow!

    Did I mention, I hate electric ranges? Whomever thought up the idea of
    an electric range out to be slaughtered and forced to eat my burned
    meatballs!

    can somebody tell me what it is about this stove that makes all the
    rich people want to have one in their kitchen?
    http://www.vikingrange.com/

    I wonder what it does to make it cost four times as much a regular
    stoves?

    I've had the oppportunity to use a Viking as compared to the crappy
    apartment stove we have now.

    I loved it. Constant and even heat, didn't suffer from anemia, and was a
    full 36" model.

    Total cost: $800 - which is solidly in the infield of my ballpark. It's
    just that I don't want to haul it when we move.

  20. Wayne Boatwright said:

    On Mon 02 Jan 2006 10:02:17a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Bill?

    Quoted message said:
    Wayne Boatwright said:

    On Sun 01 Jan 2006 10:34:18p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it ?

    > On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 22:57:52 -0500, Stan Horwitz <[email hidden]>
    > wrote:
    >
    > You never see an electric cooktop in a restaurant kitchen. They are
    > always gas.

    I'm not cooking in a restaurant kitchen.

    go Wayne...you tell em!

    Quoted message said:


    > These chefs know what's best - so there's no argument.

    What is arguable is whether what is best in a restaurant kitchen is also
    best for a home kitchen.

    ah...keep going Wayne...you know come to think of it....every
    restaurant kitchen I have ever been in had a gas range...there's got
    to be a logical reason for this?

    One of the reasons is economy, as gas is much cheaper to use commercially.
    If I'm not mistaken, ocean liners use electricity primarily for safety
    reasons, and they easily turn out huge volumes of generally excellent food.

    Large ships don't use ranges, don't even have any on board, no pots n'
    pans either... quantities are way too large for pots n' pans.... they
    do all that kind of cooking in steam jacketed kettles. They do have
    ovens, banks and banks of commercial electric ovens, and banks and
    banks of large commercial griddles, and banks and banks of large
    commercial deep fat fryers... but no stove top cooking of any kind.
    Large ships don't concern themselves with utility costs, steam and
    electric generation is merely a by-product of running those massive
    turbines, either use it or lose it.

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