Basic Kitchen Equipment

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>I really meant just sandwiches! Nothing hot! Or cooked (other than
>occasional boiled eggs, typically on Sundays). No porridge, no dinner
>types of foods.
>
>Classics: bread with PB, or jam, or cheese, or chocolate sprinkles, or
>cold cuts. End of story.

Oh gee that sounds healthy!

Not...

Why do you find it unhealthy?

Know anything about nitrites in cold cuts?

No, I don't as a matter of fact. What is with them?

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

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jake said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

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jake <[email hidden]> wrote:

>>>Is this heresy? I would leave all the baking/oven stuff out, event he
>>>toaster. But then I'm from a culture where breakfast is sandwiches.
>>
>>
>>same here. sammiches, frenchfries, corned beef. leftovers are far, far
>>better than breakfasts, imho.
>>
>>Lena
>
>I really meant just sandwiches! Nothing hot! Or cooked (other than
>occasional boiled eggs, typically on Sundays). No porridge, no dinner
>types of foods.
>
>Classics: bread with PB, or jam, or cheese, or chocolate sprinkles, or
>cold cuts. End of story.

Oh gee that sounds healthy!

Not...

Why do you find it unhealthy?

Sorry, it's not even worth my time.....
If you don't know, do some googling on basic nutrition.

Might be ok as a treat from time to time, but DAILY?????

Really, I am interested in why YOU find it unhealthy. I think what is in
those breakfasts is protein, carbs, fiber (usually brown bread is used),
fat, calcium, various micro nutrients. I would not find it very healthy
if white bread was used, or a lot of saturated fat, or very sugary jam,
or a thick layer of PB. Or huge portions. But all those "mistakes"are
avoidable.

And I don't think healthy eating can be measured by looking at a single
meal. I'd rather judge by what someone eats throughout the course of a day.

Maybe we have different understanding of basic nutrition? What would you
find a healthy breakfast? I'm sorry, I'm am just not getting what kinds
of standards you are referring to. This may due a difference in cultural
backgrounds.

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Maybe we have different understanding of basic nutrition? What would you
find a healthy breakfast? I'm sorry, I'm am just not getting what kinds
of standards you are referring to. This may due a difference in cultural
backgrounds.

Cultural background has nothing to do with what's good for human beings.

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>> In the movie, the guy used a razor blade, which works even
>> better.
>>
>>
>
> A press is faster.
>
> Drop the clove into the press.
>
> Squish.
>
> All done. ;-)

It really doesn't have the same effect.

Very true.

It's far superior.

Depends on what you want, silly. Crushed garlic from a press is just
the thing for pizza. But, when you want garlic that literally
dissolves, youse gotta get out the shiv and do it the other way.

Dunk the entire mess in the food processor 😉

Michael

--
"The most remarkable thing about my mother is that for thirty years she
served the family nothing but leftovers. The original meal has never been
found."

--Calvin Trillin

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"Doug Kanter" <[email hidden]> wrote:

> >> In the movie, the guy used a razor blade, which works even
> >> better.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > A press is faster.
> >
> > Drop the clove into the press.
> >
> > Squish.
> >
> > All done. ;-)
>
> It really doesn't have the same effect.
>
>

Very true.

It's far superior.

Depends on what you want, silly. Crushed garlic from a press is just
the thing for pizza. But, when you want garlic that literally
dissolves, youse gotta get out the shiv and do it the other way.

Dunk the entire mess in the food processor 😉

Michael

No. That gives you dizzy garlic. Try and keep up here, Michael. :-)

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I listed one

large and one small sauce pan with lids plus a fry pan. >>

Except I wasn't responding to your list, but to a compendium of
suggestions that had been made throughout. That darned toaster oven
came up how many times?
I used to live in Washington, DC and then for a while in eastern WV.
In WV people cooked if they didn't live in a town, but often packet
things. In Washington I KNOW many did not have legal kitchens, but a
couple of mattresses on the floor of one room, a hotplate and that was
it. That was shelter. That's where the government put them.
When I was in university I had a child and $9000 a year. Covered
school, everything. I think I was poor.

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Um, I can make pancakes over a campfire too... using a CI skillet.

WOW! You can carry 10 slabs of slate by yourself?

nancy

??????

Obviously I missed something.
Just call me Ms. "whoosh".
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Peace, Om.

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>>I really meant just sandwiches! Nothing hot! Or cooked (other than
>>occasional boiled eggs, typically on Sundays). No porridge, no dinner
>>types of foods.
>>
>>Classics: bread with PB, or jam, or cheese, or chocolate sprinkles, or
>>cold cuts. End of story.
>
>
>Oh gee that sounds healthy!
>
>Not...

Why do you find it unhealthy?

Know anything about nitrites in cold cuts?

No, I don't as a matter of fact. What is with them?

Nitrites are added to most cold cuts as a preservative, to maintain
attractive color, and to a lesser extent, a bit of flavor. The chemicals
have been implicated in a number of health issues, and proven in others. In
an extreme case, the Chinese government asked for American assistance in
investigating a statistically outrageous level of esophagus cancer in one
particular province. The researchers found that the people there were fond
of a local delicacy, some sort of pickled vegetable thing. The production of
this dish produced a high level of nitrites. When this was pointed out and
the recipe modified, the cancer rate dropped to what were considered normal
levels.

A month ago on the news, the chemical was implicated in pancreatic cancer.

More info:

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0813/is_n2_v17/ai_8796777

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Again with the names. Who names a cat after a brand of condom? I
mean...seriously. :-)

I named Hoot. Ramsey was named at the shelter 😉 Big old [censored] named Ed named
him. Ramsey knows his name and I'm not about to rename him.

Lessee... I named Missy. Bart knows her name. I keep it. Her owner named
her Bart because she thought the cat was male. Well, the owner is 50, had
numerous implants and lifts. She has no idea the cat is female. I really
don't care for her(Bart's owner) although she is nice most of the time. I
do love her 2 black labs. They would escape and join me on the patio for
dog biscuits now and then.

I have no need for condoms 😉 Your comment was funny though. I have no
need for safe sex here.

Michael

--
"The most remarkable thing about my mother is that for thirty years she
served the family nothing but leftovers. The original meal has never been
found."

--Calvin Trillin

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I listed one

large and one small sauce pan with lids plus a fry pan. >>

Except I wasn't responding to your list, but to a compendium of
suggestions that had been made throughout. That darned toaster oven
came up how many times?
I used to live in Washington, DC and then for a while in eastern WV.
In WV people cooked if they didn't live in a town, but often packet
things. In Washington I KNOW many did not have legal kitchens, but a
couple of mattresses on the floor of one room, a hotplate and that was
it. That was shelter. That's where the government put them.
When I was in university I had a child and $9000 a year. Covered
school, everything. I think I was poor.

UK was no different in those days, Judith😉

O

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> On 2006-03-21, Doug Kanter <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>> I can make pancakes over a campfire.......
>
> Ooooh, ...sorry... wrong answer. Go to jail without passing go
> for not trimming a jillion lines of useless txt.
>
> So sad. And you were doing so well. 🙁
>
> nb

CTRL-END is your friend. Go back to one of the long posts and try it. On
other other hand, I *do* know what you mean. How's that for balance? :-)

Um, I can make pancakes over a campfire too... using a CI skillet.

Why is that a bad thing? <confused look>

It's not a bad thing. The point is that Lena, who's just kidding anyway,
says she could not master pancakes in a kitchen. Meanwhile, other humans
(like you and I) can make pancakes in a situation where you have far less
control over the heat. Therefore, we may conclude that Lena is a hopeless
putz.

Or just has no instinct for cooking..... <shrugs>

I remember an instance at church camp. ;-) The girls who's tent got up
last got to clean the bathroom. The girls in each tent took turns
cooking breakfast and the first couple of mornings, the food was AWful!
Lumpy pancakes, rubber eggs, burnt breakfast meat. :-P

The third morning, Callie got caught in the zipper of her sleeping bag
so our tent got to clean the bathrooms. It was mine and Rita's turn to
cook breakfast. I was 14.

We ended up cooking the rest of the week for our tent. <G> No worries!
We were using a coleman stove tho' which imho is cheating, but I can
cook just fine over a campfire.
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Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

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Maybe we have different understanding of basic nutrition? What would you
find a healthy breakfast? I'm sorry, I'm am just not getting what kinds
of standards you are referring to. This may due a difference in cultural
backgrounds.

Cultural background has nothing to do with what's good for human beings.

True. But the knowledge of good nutrition and what foods it is
translated into may still be different. Because of the different
availability of ingredients and because of different meal habits. And
then there are cultures within nations. I have friends who swear by
organic. I have friends who swear by delicatessen quality. I have
friends who only shop at the supermarket. I have a friends who will eat
things beyond their official expiry date and friends who won't. I
suspect all of them eat reasonably healthy by the official standards.

And then there are the different types of "fad" diets. Low GI. low carb,
Montignac, , avoinding ccertain combinations of foods.

And then there are various religions with their own rules.

So there are many views of what good nutrition i.s WHich is why I don't
know what others mean by healthy eating or good nutrition if they don't
specify.

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> In article <[email hidden]>,
> "Doug Kanter" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> > In article <[email hidden]>,
>> > "Doug Kanter" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Oh please....what adult can't make friggin pancakes? If you don't
>> >> spot
>> >> your
>> >> mistakes after the first three tries, and either fix them, or
>> >> consult
>> >> a
>> >> book
>> >> and THEN fix them, you're an idiot.
>> >
>> > Pancakes ain't rocket science...
>> >
>> > but neither are hard boiled eggs.
>> >
>> > How many threads about hard boiled eggs have appeared on this list
>> > just
>> > in the past 2 years??????
>> > --
>> > Peace, Om.
>>
>> You know my policy on failure to consult resources available to
>> everyone.
>> No
>> further comment is necessary.
>>
>>
>
> Except that if everyone looked up the resources, the cooking discussion
> list would not exsist. ;-)
> --
> Peace, Om.

Sure it would.

<lol> yeah, so you could tell everyone that asked a question to go to
google or the rfc archives???
--
Peace, Om.

This NG contains enormous threads about absolutely nothing. No subject or
substance is necessary for discussions to take place here. "I had one kidney
bean left over from last night's dinner. Here's what I'm thinking of doing
with it, as soon as I'm done picking the cat hair off the sofa".

Goodness babe! If you are that soured by the list, why do you stay
subscribed? :-) I'd miss your dry wit, but if you'd be happier
elsewhere......
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Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

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OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

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Doug Kanter said:

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>On 2006-03-21, Doug Kanter <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>>I can make pancakes over a campfire.......
>
>Ooooh, ...sorry... wrong answer. Go to jail without passing go
>for not trimming a jillion lines of useless txt.
>
>So sad. And you were doing so well. 🙁
>
>nb

CTRL-END is your friend. Go back to one of the long posts and try it. On
other other hand, I *do* know what you mean. How's that for balance? :-)

Um, I can make pancakes over a campfire too... using a CI skillet.

Why is that a bad thing? <confused look>

I don't why that's bad either. I've done it ages of times and even now
use the CI to do pancakes on the bbq in the hot weather.

Good idea. ;-)
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Peace, Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

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> In article <[email hidden]>,
> "Nancy Young" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>> "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote
>>
>> > "Nancy Young" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>> >> You buy your appliances at the crappy appliance store?
>> >> Dishwashers suck, self cleaning ovens suck. (laugh)
>> >
>> > I don't own a dishwasher.....
>>
>> Yes, I know, you said. They have all these horrible flaws.
>> That all the ones I've ever used don't.
>
> I don't think that was me...
> The only things I have against dishwashers is the waste of space,
> electricity and water.

Space: That's up to the individual. Probably true in some kitchens.

Electricity: Not likely, as long as you think in terms of TOTAL energy
use.
If you wash dishes by hand, and rinse them properly, your water heater
will
run more than it does when it provides hot water to a dishwasher, even if
it's a gas-fired water heater. So, one washing method balances the other.

Water: Guess how much water a modern dishwasher uses.

Mine uses maybe 5 gallons tops.
I'm frugal. ;-)
--
Peace, Om.

OK. Now, if you had a full dishwasher, took out the dirty dishes and washed
them by hand, you'd use at LEAST that much water if you were rinsing
properly.

We shall now debate (ad nauseum) the definition of "rinsing properly". Not
me, though.

Dishes start by soaking. Scrub them in the hot soapy dishwater and stack
them in the other sink. Turn the water on, rinse them all at once then
place into the dryer rack.

I have a double sink, and I don't let dishes stack up. I can't cook with
a sinkfull of dirty stuff. :-P
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Michael 'Dog3' Lonergan said:

As it were, the condo was the best choice for me. I lived in the
city, found Steven, Missy and Hoot. Ramsey came after we moved to
Glendale. Before I met Steven I got to [censored] around a lot and hit the
so called

"hot"

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spots.

Hmmm..."hot spots" like Magnolia's, the Complex, the Loading Zone,
Clem's, Rainbow's End, etc...???

Absolutely. Loading Zone was the happy hour spot. A block from my
building. Howard still has the Complex (only place I sat nude in a sling
for a charity event). I'm not sure what's up with Magnolias. Clem's had
the best chicken pot pies. I just don't do much of that anymore.

Michael

--
"The most remarkable thing about my mother is that for thirty years she
served the family nothing but leftovers. The original meal has never been
found."

--Calvin Trillin

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Heavens no! I'm not sure where you got that but my reply above was to a

poster who thought all poor people live in hotels or inner city motels
and that just is not the case.<<

I know that. But some do and then people behind them in the grocery
store criticize what they have in their basket and buy with foodstamps.
I think that's insensitive. You never know what conditions someone is
living in these days. I currently know a nurse experiencing mental
problems who lives in a single room with nothing else, even shares a
bathroom, on welfare. I didn't mean to sound as if all poor people
live thus, only that some do.

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Maybe we have different understanding of basic nutrition? What would you
find a healthy breakfast? I'm sorry, I'm am just not getting what kinds
of standards you are referring to. This may due a difference in cultural
backgrounds.

Cultural background has nothing to do with what's good for human beings.

True. But the knowledge of good nutrition and what foods it is translated
into may still be different. Because of the different availability of
ingredients and because of different meal habits. And then there are
cultures within nations. I have friends who swear by organic. I have
friends who swear by delicatessen quality. I have friends who only shop at
the supermarket. I have a friends who will eat things beyond their
official expiry date and friends who won't. I suspect all of them eat
reasonably healthy by the official standards.

And then there are the different types of "fad" diets. Low GI. low carb,
Montignac, , avoinding ccertain combinations of foods.

And then there are various religions with their own rules.

So there are many views of what good nutrition i.s WHich is why I don't
know what others mean by healthy eating or good nutrition if they don't
specify.

Fad diets are for weight loss. But, there is absolutely no debate about the
effects of high fat foods like the vast majority of cold cuts. They're bad
for you. Ask your doctor. They are not a substitute for unprocessed meat,
poultry or fish.

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Therefore, we may conclude that Lena is a hopeless
putz.

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Or just has no instinct for cooking..... <shrugs>

That would certainly negate 100% of what she's said here. If you needed an
expert medical witness for a court case, would you call the carpenter's
union? :-)

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This NG contains enormous threads about absolutely nothing. No subject or
substance is necessary for discussions to take place here. "I had one
kidney
bean left over from last night's dinner. Here's what I'm thinking of
doing
with it, as soon as I'm done picking the cat hair off the sofa".

Goodness babe! If you are that soured by the list, why do you stay
subscribed? :-) I'd miss your dry wit, but if you'd be happier
elsewhere......
--
Peace, Om.

Hey...I'm hear to stay. Since I don't have the spooky eavesdropping
capabilities as agencies like the NSA & CIA, I have no other way of keeping
tabs on the 54%. So, I follow them around newsgroups. "Can I make lasagna at
home? How?" <drool>