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  1. I kind of started this thread once another poster told of her situation
    but it could likely help anyone trying to stretch their food dollars yet
    still eat good. If everyone posts one budget stretching homecooked meal
    it would be a huge help. I'm a big veggie user because I grow veggies
    and they are cheap here most times, I use a lot so any recipe I post
    will likely be heavy on the veggies. I also think one pot meals
    especially soups are general budget stretchers. BTW, I posted a nice
    carrot soup recipe that is filling and inexpensive to make.

    Ok there are two recipes following - spud special potato soup and
    breadmaker french bread (but you can make it manually and bake in the
    oven). This combination goes well together and is rather inexpensive.

    Spud Special
    3 tbsp butter or margarine
    1 lg onion sliced
    1/2 c thinly sliced carrot
    1/2 c diced celery
    1 clove garlic, minced
    4 c diced potatoes
    2 c chicken stock
    1 1/2 tsp salt
    1/4 tsp pepper
    1 tsp parsley flakes [fresh is nicer]
    2 c milk
    1/2 grated cheddar cheese [optional]

    Put the first 5 ingredients into a large saucepan. Sautee vegetables
    until onion is soft and clear. Add potato, chicken stock, salt, pepper
    and parsley. Bring to a boil. Cover and simmer slowly until vegetables
    are cooked. Stir in milk. Heat without boiling. Garnish with grated
    cheese if desired. This will make a gererous 5 cups of soup.

    French Bread (ABM)
    1 1/4 c water
    1 tbsp shortening
    1 tbsp sugar [raw or honey]
    1 1/4 tsp salt
    3 1/2 c white flour [unbleached]
    1 1/2 tsp yeast

    Put ingredients into breadmaker pan. Select dough setting. Alternately
    use a mixer or even mix by hand then let proof. When done transfer
    either to loaf pan or shape on cookie sheet. Bake 400 F until loaf
    sounds hollow and is golden brown.

  2. ~patches~ said:


    I kind of started this thread once another poster told of her situation
    but it could likely help anyone trying to stretch their food dollars yet
    still eat good.

    I roasted an $8.15 chicken, served with mashed potatoes, stuffing,
    gravy, green beans on day 1. Day two was reheated leftovers. Day
    three, today, was hot chicken sandwiches, with enough chicken left for a
    salad tomorrow, with biscuits. The bones and scraps are in the freezer
    waiting to be made into stock. This is for just two of us, but they're
    still inexpensive meals. I could go on, with potroast, day two-
    leftovers and day three, what's left in a pie with some added veg. Lots
    of ways to stretch the dollar.....Sharon

  3. ~patches~ said:

    I kind of started this thread once another poster told of her
    situation but it could likely help anyone trying to stretch their
    food dollars yet still eat good. If everyone posts one budget
    stretching homecooked meal it would be a huge help.

    Quoted message said:

    Ok there are two recipes following - spud special potato soup and
    breadmaker french bread (but you can make it manually and bake in the
    oven). This combination goes well together and is rather inexpensive.

    Spud Special
    3 tbsp butter or margarine
    1 lg onion sliced
    1/2 c thinly sliced carrot
    1/2 c diced celery
    1 clove garlic, minced
    4 c diced potatoes
    2 c chicken stock
    1 1/2 tsp salt
    1/4 tsp pepper
    1 tsp parsley flakes [fresh is nicer]
    2 c milk
    1/2 grated cheddar cheese [optional]

    Put the first 5 ingredients into a large saucepan. Sautee vegetables
    until onion is soft and clear. Add potato, chicken stock, salt,
    pepper and parsley. Bring to a boil. Cover and simmer slowly until
    vegetables are cooked. Stir in milk. Heat without boiling. Garnish
    with grated cheese if desired. This will make a gererous 5 cups of
    soup.

    French Bread (ABM)
    1 1/4 c water
    1 tbsp shortening
    1 tbsp sugar [raw or honey]
    1 1/4 tsp salt
    3 1/2 c white flour [unbleached]
    1 1/2 tsp yeast

    Put ingredients into breadmaker pan. Select dough setting.
    Alternately use a mixer or even mix by hand then let proof. When
    done transfer either to loaf pan or shape on cookie sheet. Bake 400
    F until loaf sounds hollow and is golden brown.

    I don't have specific recipes to offer at the moment, just some general
    observations.

    Chuck roast makes a lovely and tender braised roast. It's an inexpensive
    and tasty cut of meat. The key is to slow cook it with liquid, be it water
    with some seasonings, broth, or stock. If you have a crock pot/slow cooker,
    throw it in there and let it cook all day on low while you're at work or off
    doing other things. (To me, it tastes better if you brown it in oil first.)
    You can add vegetables as you wish - onion, carrots, potatoes, parsnips,
    whatever. If you have a family of four, a 5 lb. chuck roast with veggies,
    either cooked with the roast or on the side, should offer a couple of meals.

    Someone in another thread seemed to think the use of bay leaves require an
    education. Uh, not really... just throw them into the liquid and fish them
    out when the meal is done. Bay leaves are wonderful, simple things.

    Another simple dish is roasted chicken. A whole chicken is very
    inexpensive, particularly when you compare it to the price of buying
    skinless/boneless (or even the bone-in) chicken breast halves. If you're
    worried about the fat from the skin on a chicken, get your fingers under it
    and peel the skin off. It's not that difficult (except you probably can't
    peel the wings LOL). However, I find the skin pretty much essential to a
    moist, roast chicken and you don't have to eat the skin itself.

    The key is (and this harks back to the kitchen equipment thread) a pan to
    roast it in. When I was a bride I bought an roasting/broiler pan. It's
    basically a roasting pan with a slotted insert that fit over the top for
    when you want to broil stuff and have the fat drip down below. Looked
    similar to this:

    http://www.kitchenfantasy.com/images/SBP-912.jpg

    You can pick something like this up at almost any discount or even a drug
    store like Walgreen's for under $10.

    Back in the day, I didn't know a thing about roasting a chicken. I read a
    Betty Crocker recipe and it pretty much just said to sprinkle the chicken
    with salt & pepper (including inside the cavity of the chicken). It wasn't
    until much later I discovered the joys of tarragon (which I forgot to add to
    your seasoning list), lemon, etc.). I roasted the chicken in the pan
    without the rack and used a spoon to spoon the pan juices over it a few
    times as it roasted to make the skin golden brown. I don't pay much
    attention to specific recipes now, but I think I roasted a 3 lb. chicken at
    375-400F for an hour and a half. The old test was to poke it with a fork
    between the leg and the breast and if the juices ran clear (rather than
    pink) it was done. Another test was to jiggle the leg. Maybe *that's* the
    stuff we need to teach the "I don't know how to cook" generation 🙂

    At any rate, a whole chicken stretches a long way. The carcass and any meat
    which remains on the carcass (usually much more than people think) can be
    used to make broth or stock. Only takes an onion and a carrot or two with
    water to make broth or stock.

    With the stock, you can make chicken & noodles or chicken and rice or
    chicken and dumplings.

    Granted, I don't cook for a family of 3-4 people. But when I was at the
    grocery store last week I spent $70 and I got a LOT of food. Ground beef
    was on sale in these "family packs" larger than I'd ever seen; I got almost
    6 lbs. for $6. I broke it up into 1 pound packages in freezer bags and made
    room in my freezer. I bought a lovely lean 4 lb. corned beef brisket for
    $6; it was probably priced for St. Patrick's day but for a family of four or
    even six people if served along with cabbage and maybe boiled potatoes,
    quite a nice meal for under $10. For someone like me (or for a family of 2
    adults), 3-4 meals.

    I also bought dried pasta (don't make my own; no room to roll it out) and
    jarred sauces which of course I'll enhance; frozen vegetables since I don't
    have any place to grow my own.

    Fresh vegetables (yellow squash, which I love, is just coming into season
    and a straggler of acorn squash which is going out of season).

    I got some nice (supermarket) bakery bread which I find is not only better
    tasting but often on sale (they get afraid it will have to be marked "day
    old" or "two day old"😉 but also better in terms of ingredients if you read
    the label on Wonder Bread products. I wrap it up well and stick it in the
    freezer. No, I don't have a large freezer; just the one on top of my
    refrigerator. Somehow, I make things fit 🙂

    Jill

  4. ~patches~ said:

    I kind of started this thread once another poster told of her situation
    but it could likely help anyone trying to stretch their food dollars yet
    still eat good. If everyone posts one budget stretching homecooked meal
    it would be a huge help.

    Here's a nice one using ground beef:

    Cabbage Roll Casserole

    (If you have a favourite family cabbage roll recipe, you can use those
    ingredients instead of the ones I use.)

    1. Coarsely chop up a large green cabbage. Put the pieces in a large
    roasting pan or cast iron dutch oven.

    2. Mix a pound of *raw* ground beef with some cooked rice. The amount
    of rice isn't important - the more you use, the further this will
    stretch. I usually use 2 cups. Dump this mixture on top of the
    cabbage.

    3. Dice up 4 slices of bacon. In a large skillet, fry this up along
    with some chopped onion. I usually use one very large onion. (You may
    need to add a bit of oil to this.) Stir in a tablespoon of paprika.
    When cooked, spoon this on top of the ground beef mixture.

    4. Open up a small can (12 oz, I think) of tomato sauce, and dump it
    in a bowl. Add to this about 1/2 cup packed brown sugar and 1/4 cup
    lemon juice. Add a bit of hot water and mix well. Pour over everything
    else, making sure some of the sauce drips down past the meat into the
    cabbage.

    5. Cook this at about 250F for at least 3 hours.

    Serves six to eight, depending on how hungry they are. Freezes
    extremely well in single servings.

    Cost (if not purchased on special):

    Cabbage $1.00
    Ground beef 4.00
    Rice .25
    Bacon 1.00
    Tomato sauce .75
    Other n/a

    Total $7.00 or about $1.00 per serving

    Jo Anne

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    Quoted message said:


    French Bread (ABM)
    1 1/4 c water
    1 tbsp shortening
    1 tbsp sugar [raw or honey]
    1 1/4 tsp salt
    3 1/2 c white flour [unbleached]
    1 1/2 tsp yeast

    Put ingredients into breadmaker pan. Select dough setting. Alternately
    use a mixer or even mix by hand then let proof. When done transfer either
    to loaf pan or shape on cookie sheet. Bake 400 F until loaf sounds hollow
    and is golden brown.

    I've never baked bread before, and I don't have a bread machine. Could you
    please explain in more detail how to make it without the machine. Or does
    anyone else have a good recipe? Do homemade loaves freeze well? We don't
    use a lot of bread, so I always freeze it.

    Thanks.

    Jen

  6. here's a very simple and quick one that's saved me a few times...

    (Sorry - I'm not one for exact measurements as my meals are usually
    made up of what I can find leftover in the fridge/cupboard...)

    Hot & Sour Fried Noodles

    Handful of shredded cabbage
    About a teaspoon of minced garlic
    A chopped up onion
    Bit of mince (chopped up left over meat will also do)
    Dried vermicelli
    Tom yum paste
    Oil

    Place dried vermicelli in a bowl.

    Pour boiling water over dried vermicelli and leave to soak for about 5
    minutes while you cook the other things.

    Heat some oil in a wok/pan and add the garlic and onion.

    When onion is "see through" cooked, add mince.

    When mince half cooked, add cabbage. Drain water from vermicelli and
    add to wok along with about a tbs of tom yum paste and fry until
    cabbage is cooked.

    Plate up and eat.
    Add lemon juice to taste.

  7. On Wed 22 Mar 2006 11:28:36p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Jen?

    Quoted message said:


    "~patches~" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    French Bread (ABM)
    1 1/4 c water
    1 tbsp shortening
    1 tbsp sugar [raw or honey]
    1 1/4 tsp salt
    3 1/2 c white flour [unbleached]
    1 1/2 tsp yeast

    Put ingredients into breadmaker pan. Select dough setting.
    Alternately use a mixer or even mix by hand then let proof. When done
    transfer either to loaf pan or shape on cookie sheet. Bake 400 F until
    loaf sounds hollow and is golden brown.

    I've never baked bread before, and I don't have a bread machine. Could
    you please explain in more detail how to make it without the machine.
    Or does anyone else have a good recipe? Do homemade loaves freeze well?
    We don't use a lot of bread, so I always freeze it.

    I have made this recipe for years and find it quite easy to make. It's
    important to weigh the flour for accuracy.

    * Exported from MasterCook *

    Classic French Bread

    Recipe By :
    Serving Size : 2 Preparation Time :0:00
    Categories : Breads

    Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method
    -------- ------------ --------------------------------
    2 pk Active dry yeast
    2 1/2 c Tepid water
    2 lb +3 oz hard wheat flour
    [mixed with unbleached white
    [flour, or just unbleached
    [white flour - mix them half
    [and half
    1 t Salt dissolved in
    1 t Water
    Cornmeal
    Additional flour

    Dissolve the yeast in the water. (Tepid: not hot, not cool, but barely
    warm.) Let stand for 5 minutes. Stir to dissolve.

    Using a small paper sack on your scale, weigh out a total of 2 pounds
    and 3 ounces of flour. (If you can't get hard wheat flour, use a good
    unbleached white.)

    Make a sponge of the water and yeast, together with 4 cups of the
    weighed-out flour. Whip for 10 minutes with an electric mixer. It will
    pull away from the side of the mixing bowl.

    Add the salted water. Add the remaining flour and knead for 5 minutes
    in a good machine, or 15 minutes by hand.

    Place on formica counter, or on a piece of plastic wrap, and cover with
    a large metal bowl. Let rise for 2 hours. Punch down, and let rise for
    another 1-1/2 hours.

    Punch down again, and mold into 2 loaves. Let the loaves rise. I use
    an extra oven with a pan of hot water in the bottom. This allows for
    steam heat, perfect for raising dough. Place the loaves on a greased
    baking sheet before letting them rise; you may wish to place cornmeal on
    the greased baking sheet.

    Preheat the oven to 450 degrees F. When the loaves have risen to double
    in original bulk, place them in the upper one-third of the oven.
    IMPORTANT: Place a pan of hot water on the bottom shelf. This will
    assure you of a great crust.

    Bake in the oven for about 25 minutes, or until the bread is nicely
    browned and the loaves sound hollow when you thump their bottoms with
    your finger.

    If you wish an old-world look to your bread, simply dust the loaves with
    flour before the final rising. You can use an egg and water glaze, but
    I am convinced that you will get a much better crust if you simply use
    flour.

    --
    Wayne Boatwright o¿o
    ____________________

    BIOYA

  8. "Wayne Boatwright" <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    On Wed 22 Mar 2006 11:28:36p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Jen?

    Quoted message said:

    2 pk Active dry yeast
    2 1/2 c Tepid water
    2 lb +3 oz hard wheat flour
    [mixed with unbleached white
    [flour, or just unbleached
    [white flour - mix them half
    [and half
    1 t Salt dissolved in
    1 t Water
    Cornmeal
    Additional flour

    That sounds great! Just a few questions though!

    Is that 1 teaspoon salt and water, or 1 tablespoon?

    Does it matter if it's risen for longer, in case I have to go out or
    something?

    Does it freeze well?

    Thanks.

    Jen

  9. On Thu 23 Mar 2006 12:15:13a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Jen?

    Quoted message said:


    "Wayne Boatwright" <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Wed 22 Mar 2006 11:28:36p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Jen?

    Quoted message said:

    2 pk Active dry yeast
    2 1/2 c Tepid water
    2 lb +3 oz hard wheat flour
    [mixed with unbleached white
    [flour, or just unbleached
    [white flour - mix them half
    [and half
    1 t Salt dissolved in
    1 t Water
    Cornmeal
    Additional flour

    That sounds great! Just a few questions though!

    Is that 1 teaspoon salt and water, or 1 tablespoon?

    Sorry, that's 1 teaspoon of salt and 1 teaspoon of water.

    Quoted message said:

    Does it matter if it's risen for longer, in case I have to go out or
    something?

    Actually, the longer the rise the better the flavor. It will rise more
    slowly in a cooler room. Try not to let it rise much more than double in
    bulk.

    Quoted message said:

    Does it freeze well?

    Yes, extremely well. As soon as it's completely cool, wrap tightly in a
    double layer of plastic wrap and freeze. I prefer to unwrap to before
    thawing on a wire rack.

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks.

    You're welcome!

    --
    Wayne Boatwright o¿o
    ____________________

    BIOYA

  10. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    If everyone posts one budget stretching homecooked meal


    it would be a huge help<<

    It is going to be different ingredients depending on where the poster
    is, but generally beans, rice, pasta type combinations are going to
    always reduce costs. Here's one of mine:

    Salade de Lenteilles Auvergnaise

    About a pound of large green lentils-- or other
    1 carrot chopped very fine
    1 1/2 small onion chopped fine
    2 Tbsp olive oil
    2 cubes or spoons of vegetable broth beads or bouillon
    about 2 ounces of country style ham cut into batons of about 1/3 inch
    by 2"
    about 1/4 cup good strong French style mustard
    about 2 Tbsp of dry mustard powder mixed with water to form a creamy
    paste and left to develop flavor

    Warm a large heavy pot, and put in the oil, the carrots, onion and ham.
    Sauté' until the onion is clear. Add the lentils, stirring them into
    the mixture, then cover with hot water to about an inch over them.
    Simmer until the lentils are almost done, adding water as needed, then
    add salt but keep it just a little less salty than if you were eating
    them alone.
    Take about 1/3 of the lentils out of the pot and stir in the prepared
    mustard. Start stirring in the homemade mustard and tasting. It should
    go right up your nose without burning your tongue very badly. Take it
    all the way to hot, stirring and tasting, because you have the other
    lentils to draw back with if you go too far.
    This should jump right on your tongue, make your nose run, and the
    lentils should remain firmish. If they break up a bit, add more mustard
    and then add back some of the whole ones.
    Served warm as a first course, like soup.

    That said, I find it useful to look at serving costs. For most meats
    100 grams or 3.5 ounces is a serving, but that is of the meat. A bony
    piece means a bigger serving, so it takes a little experience to figure
    out if a lamb chop is pricier if you eat just one or if sausage is
    cheaper when you know you'll eat three. Beef spareribs are cheap here
    and make the most wonderful braises served over polenta usually. But
    then I have to clean them up before serving and I toss a lot of fat and
    bone. So if I can serve 6 people with a 1 kilo package and that
    package costs $7.75 to $10.50, I'll do that rather than the chicken
    which costs, I kid you not, almost $4.50 a pound for factory grown. I
    can't feed 6 with one of those.

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    Quoted message said:

    On Thu 23 Mar 2006 12:15:13a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Jen?

    Quoted message said:


    "Wayne Boatwright" <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    On Wed 22 Mar 2006 11:28:36p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Jen?

    Quoted message said:

    2 pk Active dry yeast
    2 1/2 c Tepid water
    2 lb +3 oz hard wheat flour
    [mixed with unbleached white
    [flour, or just unbleached
    [white flour - mix them half
    [and half
    1 t Salt dissolved in
    1 t Water
    Cornmeal
    Additional flour


    Just another thought. Can I just use plain white flour instead. I always
    have that in the pantry. Sorry to bother you again.

    Jen

  12. On Thu 23 Mar 2006 04:10:30a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Jen?

    Quoted message said:


    "Wayne Boatwright" <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    On Thu 23 Mar 2006 12:15:13a, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Jen?

    Quoted message said:


    "Wayne Boatwright" <wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > On Wed 22 Mar 2006 11:28:36p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Jen?

    > 2 pk Active dry yeast
    > 2 1/2 c Tepid water
    > 2 lb +3 oz hard wheat flour
    > [mixed with unbleached white
    > [flour, or just unbleached
    > [white flour - mix them half
    > [and half
    > 1 t Salt dissolved in
    > 1 t Water
    > Cornmeal
    > Additional flour

    Just another thought. Can I just use plain white flour instead. I
    always have that in the pantry. Sorry to bother you again.

    Jen

    Yes, of course. It won't be quite the same, but it will still make a very
    good bread. I have done this before when I've been out of bread flour.

    Do let us know how it turns out for you.

    --
    Wayne Boatwright o¿o
    ____________________

    BIOYA

  13. Jen said:

    "~patches~" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    French Bread (ABM)
    1 1/4 c water
    1 tbsp shortening
    1 tbsp sugar [raw or honey]
    1 1/4 tsp salt
    3 1/2 c white flour [unbleached]
    1 1/2 tsp yeast

    Put ingredients into breadmaker pan. Select dough setting. Alternately
    use a mixer or even mix by hand then let proof. When done transfer either
    to loaf pan or shape on cookie sheet. Bake 400 F until loaf sounds hollow
    and is golden brown.

    I've never baked bread before, and I don't have a bread machine. Could you
    please explain in more detail how to make it without the machine. Or does
    anyone else have a good recipe? Do homemade loaves freeze well? We don't
    use a lot of bread, so I always freeze it.

    Thanks.

    Jen


    Jen, homemade loaves freeze nicely as long as they are well wrapped. I
    normally make whole wheat or multi-grain. Here is a link to a basic
    white bread on recipesource. I chose this one because it has good
    directions for making bread by hand. It makes 3 loaves.
    http://recipesource.com/baked-goods/breads/03/rec0352.html

    Just a couple of comments in general - I make the bread dough in the
    breadmaker but bake the bread in the oven. I like the results better.
    Sometimes I use the full bake cycle of the breadmaker but not very
    often. If you are interested in buying a breadmaker but not sure if you
    will use it enough, check the second hand stores and yard sales. I've
    seen them as low as $5. If you decide just to go ahead and buy a
    breadmaker, wait until around Christmas as they are always on sale for
    bargin prices. Some of the newer models even have settings to make jam
    or cake. It is a good idea to learn to bake bread my hand though and I
    still do occasionally. It will give you a better guage to trouble shoot
    if necessary. I recommend Breadtime by Susan Jane Cheney.

  14. ~patches~ said:

    I kind of started this thread once another poster told of her situation
    but it could likely help anyone trying to stretch their food dollars yet
    still eat good. If everyone posts one budget stretching homecooked meal
    it would be a huge help. I'm a big veggie user because I grow veggies
    and they are cheap here most times, I use a lot so any recipe I post
    will likely be heavy on the veggies. I also think one pot meals
    especially soups are general budget stretchers. BTW, I posted a nice
    carrot soup recipe that is filling and inexpensive to make.

    I make "eggs in purgatory" once a week, at least. It's good with a salad
    and some bread or roasted potatoes.

    Eggs in purgatory:

    1 garlic clove, minced
    1 Tb olive oil
    1 cup canned tomato puree or tomato sauce
    1/4 tsp each dried oregano and basil
    a pinch of red pepper flakes
    salt and pepper
    4 large eggs
    a TB of grated parmesan

    Cook the garlic for a minute over medium heat in a small skillet. Add
    the tomato sauce and the seasonings. Simmer over a very low heat for
    about 10 minutes, or until thickened slightly.
    Using a spoon, make a well for each egg, and carefully slide the eggs
    into the sauce. sprinkle with the cheese and a little bit more pepper.
    Cover and cook over very low heat for about 10 minutes, or until the
    eggs are done to your liking.
    --

    saerah

    http://anisaerah.blogspot.com/

    email:
    anisaerah at s b c global.net

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  15. ~patches~ said:
    Jen said:

    "~patches~" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    French Bread (ABM)
    1 1/4 c water
    1 tbsp shortening
    1 tbsp sugar [raw or honey]
    1 1/4 tsp salt
    3 1/2 c white flour [unbleached]
    1 1/2 tsp yeast

    Put ingredients into breadmaker pan. Select dough setting. Alternately
    use a mixer or even mix by hand then let proof. When done transfer
    either to loaf pan or shape on cookie sheet. Bake 400 F until loaf
    sounds hollow and is golden brown.

    I've never baked bread before, and I don't have a bread machine. Could
    you please explain in more detail how to make it without the machine. Or
    does anyone else have a good recipe? Do homemade loaves freeze well? We
    don't use a lot of bread, so I always freeze it.

    Thanks.

    Jen


    Jen, homemade loaves freeze nicely as long as they are well wrapped. I
    normally make whole wheat or multi-grain. Here is a link to a basic white
    bread on recipesource. I chose this one because it has good directions for
    making bread by hand. It makes 3 loaves.
    http://recipesource.com/baked-goods/breads/03/rec0352.html

    Just a couple of comments in general - I make the bread dough in the
    breadmaker but bake the bread in the oven. I like the results better.
    Sometimes I use the full bake cycle of the breadmaker but not very often. If
    you are interested in buying a breadmaker but not sure if you will use it
    enough, check the second hand stores and yard sales. I've seen them as low
    as $5. If you decide just to go ahead and buy a breadmaker, wait until
    around Christmas as they are always on sale for bargin prices. Some of the
    newer models even have settings to make jam or cake. It is a good idea to
    learn to bake bread my hand though and I still do occasionally. It will give
    you a better guage to trouble shoot if necessary. I recommend Breadtime by
    Susan Jane Cheney.

    get a good breadbook. or find one in a store and read the first few
    pages... it'll get yous tarted on what you need to know about proofing and
    kneading etc.

    lena

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    and I still do occasionally. It will give you a better guage to
    trouble shoot if necessary. I recommend Breadtime by Susan Jane Cheney.

    get a good breadbook. or find one in a store and read the first few
    pages... it'll get yous tarted on what you need to know about proofing
    and kneading etc.

    Breadtime is one of the best bread books out there. It explains
    ingredients, what they do, how to use them, how to substitute, and has a
    multitude of recipes from yeast breads, breadmachine breads, flat
    breads, and more. I highly recommend it. Next to that Breadmachine
    Magic is a good book if using a breadmaker.

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    lena

  17. I'll do that rather than the chicken

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    which costs, I kid you not, almost $4.50 a pound for factory grown. I
    can't feed 6 with one of those.

    Judith,

    Just for curiosity's sake: Where do you live with chicken at
    $4.50/pound. Here in California, I can get a whole chicken on sale for
    much less than $1/pound. $4.50/pound, wow!

    Ken

  18. Ken said:
    Quoted message said:

    I'll do that rather than the chicken
    which costs, I kid you not, almost $4.50 a pound for factory grown. I
    can't feed 6 with one of those.

    Quoted message said:

    Just for curiosity's sake: Where do you live with chicken at
    $4.50/pound. Here in California, I can get a whole chicken on sale for
    much less than $1/pound. $4.50/pound, wow!

    I can't speak for Judith, but I live in Kansas and chicken is 2.99 to
    4.99 per pound. The cheaper prices are the bone-in pieces or the whole
    chicken, and the more expensive is the bs chicken breasts. Sometimes
    older chicken, or chicken which froze on the way to the store, will be
    BOGO, otherwise expect to pay a lot.

    Stacia

  19. Glitter Ninja said:
    Ken said:
    Quoted message said:

    I'll do that rather than the chicken
    which costs, I kid you not, almost $4.50 a pound for factory grown. I
    can't feed 6 with one of those.

    Quoted message said:

    Just for curiosity's sake: Where do you live with chicken at
    $4.50/pound. Here in California, I can get a whole chicken on sale for
    much less than $1/pound. $4.50/pound, wow!

    I can't speak for Judith, but I live in Kansas and chicken is 2.99 to
    4.99 per pound. The cheaper prices are the bone-in pieces or the whole
    chicken, and the more expensive is the bs chicken breasts. Sometimes
    older chicken, or chicken which froze on the way to the store, will be
    BOGO, otherwise expect to pay a lot.

    Stacia

    I feel so terribly blessed to be able to shop at a military commisary.
    One of the BEST things there are the meat prices...

    Boneless, skinless chicken breast cost only $1.99 a pound! and that is
    for "name brand" stuff (ie tysons...depends on the State I have found)
    I will often by boneless skinless chicken thighs (to make things like
    enchiladas with) for around $1.50/pound

    I haven't ever tried to cook a whole chicken (I am ashamed) but I am
    going to check out the price and try it!

    Roberta (in VA)

  20. [email hidden] (Glitter Ninja) hitched up their panties and posted
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    Quoted message said:
    Ken said:
    Quoted message said:

    I'll do that rather than the chicken
    which costs, I kid you not, almost $4.50 a pound for factory grown. I
    can't feed 6 with one of those.

    Quoted message said:

    Just for curiosity's sake: Where do you live with chicken at
    $4.50/pound. Here in California, I can get a whole chicken on sale for
    much less than $1/pound. $4.50/pound, wow!

    I can't speak for Judith, but I live in Kansas and chicken is 2.99 to
    4.99 per pound. The cheaper prices are the bone-in pieces or the whole
    chicken, and the more expensive is the bs chicken breasts. Sometimes
    older chicken, or chicken which froze on the way to the store, will be
    BOGO, otherwise expect to pay a lot.

    Stacia

    I'm not all that sure about being budget stretched. Here is what I know.
    Brown as much ground beef as you can afford, add the trinity to it. I
    usually dump in some rice and diced tomates and season it. I'll either use
    it for a soup or pasta base although the rice sort of is not good on pasta.

    I'm not really trying to budget but sometimes it comes in really handy when
    we're busy. Being budget strapped must be a huge challange. I don't think I
    could do without Straubs or Dierbergs. I wouldn't know where to start.
    It's just me, and I'm not being an ass. Steven makes Chili which lasts
    almost a week. My beef and veggie soup lasts longer 😉

    Michael <- not financially strapped but budget conscious and really, really
    want my new kitchen
    --
    "The most remarkable thing about my mother is that for thirty years she
    served the family nothing but leftovers. The original meal has never been
    found."

    --Calvin Trillin

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