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  1. "Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Does anyone have experience of buying, using electric bikes.
    My wife would like one and they start around £290
    (like Powacycle Milan) up to several thousand pounds.
    Advice much appreciated.
    Regards
    Pete

    As a middle-aged distinctly non-sporty cyclist and overweight person of the
    female persuasion, I wonder why your wife would want an electric bike. Does
    she have a handicap which means cycling a 'normal' bike difficult or
    impossible? Or does she live in a particularly hilly location?

    The thing with 'normal' cycling is that non-cyclists underestimate how easy
    it is to cycle and to build up fitness *quickly*. You don't have to be
    superhuman to do a 10-mile round trip to the shops, or to work. Nor does it
    have to result in untlimate sweatiness unless you want it to.

    If I was considering going the motorised route, I'd want a moped.

    My distinctly sporty cycling teenager has a mate of the same age who had a
    'lightweight' motorised bike bought for him by his parents. My teenager, on
    a normal road bike (Peugeot Pulse G400) can outsprint his motorised mate up
    hills....

    Cheers, helen s

  2. "wafflycat" <w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Does anyone have experience of buying, using electric bikes.
    My wife would like one and they start around £290
    (like Powacycle Milan) up to several thousand pounds.
    Advice much appreciated.
    Regards
    Pete

    As a middle-aged distinctly non-sporty cyclist and overweight person of
    the female persuasion, I wonder why your wife would want an electric bike.
    Does she have a handicap which means cycling a 'normal' bike difficult or
    impossible? Or does she live in a particularly hilly location?

    Just in case Pete (or anyone one else reading this thread for that matter)
    is put off buying an electric bike because of your post, I think as an
    Electric Bike owner familiar with what's out there, I should clarify a few
    things:

    In the recent Electric Bike rally I visited, only one cyclist stood out to
    me as disabled (I don't like the word handicapped) and that person rode what
    looked to be an electric trike/wheelchair with an add-on front power unit.
    There may have been another disabled person or two which I didn't spot but
    it paints the wrong picture to even hint at electric bikes being something
    only for people who aren't up to conventional (I prefer that word over
    'normal'😉 cycling. This simply isn't the case.

    Quoted message said:


    The thing with 'normal' cycling is that non-cyclists underestimate how
    easy it is to cycle and to build up fitness *quickly*. You don't have to
    be superhuman to do a 10-mile round trip to the shops, or to work. Nor
    does it have to result in untlimate sweatiness unless you want it to.

    There's that 'normal' again. People reading this may be put off by thinking
    if they buy an electric bike there's something abnormal about them. In
    reality from my brief conversations with some of those at the rally, it was
    clear they found the advantages of electric bike ownership to outweigh any
    downsides. All of the above paragraph can also be applied to electric bike
    usage with the added bonus that if you get to a really steep hill on a
    conventional bike which would induce a sweat (and these do exist), with a
    *good design electric bike* that same hill can be tackled without getting
    sweaty if desired. If on the other hand the rider wants to exert themselves
    more to build up fitness, they could always reduce or turn off all together
    the power assistance.

    Quoted message said:


    If I was considering going the motorised route, I'd want a moped.

    Personally I'd be put off by the legal requirements mopeds have and the
    running costs. Electric bikes sold here (should) enjoy the same benefits as
    conventional bikes i.e. can ride on cycleways, need no licence/tax/insurance
    or even helmet unless one takes your fancy.

    Quoted message said:


    My distinctly sporty cycling teenager has a mate of the same age who had a
    'lightweight' motorised bike bought for him by his parents. My teenager,
    on a normal road bike (Peugeot Pulse G400) can outsprint his motorised
    mate up hills....

    Although you are correct in that there are 'lightweight' motorised bikes
    about, only the best tend to have motors which output their power through
    the gearchain system - what I referred to in my third paragraph. Many
    electric bikes these days have front wheel hub motors which have a fixed
    'middle' gear (and are consequently less than ideal with steep hills. This
    is predominantly used for cost saving (although in the long term if
    manufacturers get stuck in, there's no reason why they shouldn't be able to
    build the better design for no significant difference in price to the
    other). If a potential buyer of an electric bike lives, or will be
    travelling in very hilly country, they are better off with one which outputs
    its motor power via the gearchain. As previously referred to AtoB magazine
    reviews can be helpful in this regard.

    Paul

  3. On Sun, 21 May 2006 09:42:47 +0100,

    Paul Murphy said:

    "wafflycat" <w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    My distinctly sporty cycling teenager has a mate of the same age who had a
    'lightweight' motorised bike bought for him by his parents. My teenager,
    on a normal road bike (Peugeot Pulse G400) can outsprint his motorised
    mate up hills....

    Although you are correct in that there are 'lightweight' motorised bikes
    about, only the best tend to have motors which output their power through
    the gearchain system - what I referred to in my third paragraph.

    But you too are being a little disingenious. From Nathan's TT times he would
    easily outsprint any electric-bike on the flat - they are supposed to be
    limited to 25kph aren't they? With the right gearing it is possible that
    that speed might be possible up a steep hill. I've no idea what Nathan's
    hill climbing is like (except better than mine - but that applies to nearly
    everyone), but I think my money would be on him in a 10 mile race against the
    electric-bike over a mixed terrain course.

    --
    Andy Leighton => [email hidden]
    "The Lord is my shepherd, but we still lost the sheep dog trials"
    - Robert Rankin, _They Came And Ate Us_

  4. Andy Leighton said:

    On Sun, 21 May 2006 09:42:47 +0100,

    Paul Murphy said:

    "wafflycat" <w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    My distinctly sporty cycling teenager has a mate of the same age who had a
    'lightweight' motorised bike bought for him by his parents. My teenager,
    on a normal road bike (Peugeot Pulse G400) can outsprint his motorised
    mate up hills....

    Although you are correct in that there are 'lightweight' motorised bikes
    about, only the best tend to have motors which output their power through
    the gearchain system - what I referred to in my third paragraph.

    But you too are being a little disingenious. From Nathan's TT times he would
    easily outsprint any electric-bike on the flat - they are supposed to be
    limited to 25kph aren't they? With the right gearing it is possible that
    that speed might be possible up a steep hill. I've no idea what Nathan's
    hill climbing is like (except better than mine - but that applies to nearly
    everyone), but I think my money would be on him in a 10 mile race againstthe
    electric-bike over a mixed terrain course.

    --
    Andy Leighton => [email hidden]
    "The Lord is my shepherd, but we still lost the sheep dog trials"
    - Robert Rankin, _They Came And Ate Us_

    Could he outsprint this one?
    http://www.thunderstruck-ev.com/jackal_performance.htm

  5. "Andy Leighton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Sun, 21 May 2006 09:42:47 +0100,

    Paul Murphy said:

    "wafflycat" <w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    My distinctly sporty cycling teenager has a mate of the same age who had
    a
    'lightweight' motorised bike bought for him by his parents. My teenager,
    on a normal road bike (Peugeot Pulse G400) can outsprint his motorised
    mate up hills....

    Although you are correct in that there are 'lightweight' motorised bikes
    about, only the best tend to have motors which output their power through
    the gearchain system - what I referred to in my third paragraph.

    But you too are being a little disingenious. From Nathan's TT times he
    would
    easily outsprint any electric-bike on the flat - they are supposed to be
    limited to 25kph aren't they?

    The 15 mph limitation (only currently present in certain countries including
    the UK) is only for when the power assistance must cut out. Its still
    possible to pedal faster than this as per with a conventional bike. I had
    mine up to 40 mph the week before last (hill assisted) but have certainly
    gone beyond 15 mph on the flat. The problem with my Giant Twist Comfort is
    that the gearing means the pedals would be going up and down too fast even
    in top gear to go much beyond 15 mph. If the rear sprocket was changed
    however...

    Quoted message said:

    With the right gearing it is possible that
    that speed might be possible up a steep hill. I've no idea what Nathan's
    hill climbing is like (except better than mine - but that applies to
    nearly
    everyone), but I think my money would be on him in a 10 mile race against
    the
    electric-bike over a mixed terrain course.

    On a top quality (but expensive) electric racing bike such as the 'Yellow
    Dream' which weights 15 kg all up, I'd be very surprised if his times
    weren't much better on the electric bike than any other choice of non-power
    assisted bike! A motor which can be geared through the gearchain is much
    more effective at hill climbing and I suspect the reason for this bikes poor
    performance may be that its not of that design - or perhaps its older
    technology such as those using lead acid batteries.

    Paul

  6. "Stephen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    <snipped content written by others>

    Quoted message said:

    Could he outsprint this one?
    http://www.thunderstruck-ev.com/jackal_performance.htm

    I reakon many cars would have probs out accelerating that during short
    distances - not my cup of tea however and definitely against the rules on
    the road here.

    The yellow dream I referred to is shown here
    http://www.petrol.free.fr/ElectricShop/index.htm

    Paul

  7. Stephen said:

    Could he outsprint this one?
    http://www.thunderstruck-ev.com/jackal_performance.htm

    He didn't do too well this morning in the National 10.
    Below half way down the field I am told.

    There were some great rides by a couple of girls though, speshully
    including a 23 minute ride by young Joanna Rowsell.
    Perhaps she could challenge the Jackal.

    tt

  8. in message <[email hidden]>, Paul

    Murphy (') said:

    There may have been another disabled person or two which I didn't spot
    but it paints the wrong picture to even hint at electric bikes being
    something only for people who aren't up to conventional (I prefer that
    word over 'normal'😉 cycling. This simply isn't the case.

    Then what on earth is the point? If the riders of electric bikes are fit
    enough to ride proper bikes, why on earth haul around all that extra
    junk? Is it masochism? Is it some perverted idea of fashion, or some
    surreal artwork?

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
    .::;===r==\
    / /___||___\____
    //==\- ||- | /__\( MS Windows IS an operating environment.
    //____\__||___|_// \|: C++ IS an object oriented programming language.
    \__/ ~~~~~~~~~ \__/ Citroen 2cv6 IS a four door family saloon.

  9. in message <[email hidden]>, Paul

    Murphy (') said:

    "Andy Leighton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Sun, 21 May 2006 09:42:47 +0100,

    Paul Murphy said:

    "wafflycat" <w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    >
    > My distinctly sporty cycling teenager has a mate of the same age who
    > had a
    > 'lightweight' motorised bike bought for him by his parents. My
    > teenager, on a normal road bike (Peugeot Pulse G400) can outsprint
    > his motorised mate up hills....

    Although you are correct in that there are 'lightweight' motorised
    bikes about, only the best tend to have motors which output their
    power through the gearchain system - what I referred to in my third
    paragraph.

    But you too are being a little disingenious. From Nathan's TT times
    he would
    easily outsprint any electric-bike on the flat - they are supposed to
    be limited to 25kph aren't they?

    The 15 mph limitation (only currently present in certain countries
    including the UK) is only for when the power assistance must cut out.
    Its still possible to pedal faster than this as per with a conventional
    bike. I had mine up to 40 mph the week before last (hill assisted) but
    have certainly gone beyond 15 mph on the flat. The problem with my
    Giant Twist Comfort is that the gearing means the pedals would be going
    up and down too fast even in top gear to go much beyond 15 mph. If the
    rear sprocket was changed however...

    Quoted message said:

    With the right gearing it is possible that
    that speed might be possible up a steep hill. I've no idea what
    Nathan's hill climbing is like (except better than mine - but that
    applies to nearly
    everyone), but I think my money would be on him in a 10 mile race
    against the
    electric-bike over a mixed terrain course.

    On a top quality (but expensive) electric racing bike such as the
    'Yellow Dream' which weights 15 kg all up, I'd be very surprised if his
    times weren't much better on the electric bike than any other choice of
    non-power assisted bike!

    You have to be /joking/. I, fifty and with chronic circulation problems,
    could beat any legal electric bike on any course, without difficulty.
    People in my club can do time trials at 10Km/h faster than me. Time
    trialling, my speed rarely drops down below 25Km/h, so there is almost
    no time that the motor could legally assist - not even up the hills. All
    the time it isn't assisting, it's just extra weight and extra drag.
    You'd have to be an exceptionally poor cyclist to do as badly on a good
    quality normal bike as you would on a 'yellow dream'.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    ;; I can't work yanks out......
    ;; Why do they frown upon sex yet relish violence?
    ;; Deep Fried Lettuce

  10. Paul Murphy said:


    The 15 mph limitation (only currently present in certain countries including
    the UK) is only for when the power assistance must cut out. Its still
    possible to pedal faster than this as per with a conventional bike. I had
    mine up to 40 mph the week before last (hill assisted) but have certainly
    gone beyond 15 mph on the flat. The problem with my Giant Twist Comfort is
    that the gearing means the pedals would be going up and down too fast even
    in top gear to go much beyond 15 mph. If the rear sprocket was changed
    however...

    Then it would still have the extra weight penalty of an unused motor
    and battery. Ok, keeping extra weight going at a constant speed on
    absolutely flat terrain doesn't use any energy, but in practice a heavier
    bike does need more work, and the electric bike is as unlikely to be
    as aerodynamic as a non-electric bike (with some exceptions: for example
    http://www.bluevelo.com/page2.html).

  11. "Andy Leighton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Sun, 21 May 2006 09:42:47 +0100,

    Paul Murphy said:

    "wafflycat" <w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    My distinctly sporty cycling teenager has a mate of the same age who had
    a
    'lightweight' motorised bike bought for him by his parents. My teenager,
    on a normal road bike (Peugeot Pulse G400) can outsprint his motorised
    mate up hills....

    Although you are correct in that there are 'lightweight' motorised bikes
    about, only the best tend to have motors which output their power through
    the gearchain system - what I referred to in my third paragraph.

    But you too are being a little disingenious. From Nathan's TT times he
    would
    easily outsprint any electric-bike on the flat - they are supposed to be
    limited to 25kph aren't they? With the right gearing it is possible that
    that speed might be possible up a steep hill. I've no idea what Nathan's
    hill climbing is like (except better than mine - but that applies to
    nearly
    everyone), but I think my money would be on him in a 10 mile race against
    the
    electric-bike over a mixed terrain course.

    Ta :-) He can do over 25mph average on a 10mile course (terrain dependent!)
    But today was not his finest hour. In the 10 he did today, he threw up twice
    during his time on the course... perhaps having HepA, HepB, polio, diptheria
    & tetanus jabs during the week might be a possible reason. He was not a
    happy bunny.

    I honestly can't see the point of a motorised bike unless you are
    particularly unfit in a particularly hilly area or disabled. Nathan's mate
    who has one is neither disabled or living in a particularly hilly area, and
    all the motor assist thing seems to be is a drag - literally - as compared
    to a 'normal' bike it's heavy & cumbersome, so if you haven't got the motor
    on you are in a position of pedalling a *heavy* bike and if you are using
    the motor, then you are reducing the distance you can cycle easily as the
    motor uses power up. Nathan's mate was bought his bike as a way of helping
    him get up hills - so he wasn't best pleased with his steed as Nathan easily
    outpaces him.

    A moped or 'proper' motorbike I can see the point of, but not one of these
    motorised bicycles...

    Cheers, helen s

  12. "wafflycat" <w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    I honestly can't see the point of a motorised bike unless you are
    particularly unfit in a particularly hilly area or disabled. Nathan's mate
    who has one is neither disabled or living in a particularly hilly area,
    and all the motor assist thing seems to be is a drag - literally - as
    compared to a 'normal' bike it's heavy & cumbersome, so if you haven't got
    the motor on you are in a position of pedalling a *heavy* bike and if you
    are using the motor, then you are reducing the distance you can cycle
    easily as the motor uses power up. Nathan's mate was bought his bike as a
    way of helping him get up hills - so he wasn't best pleased with his steed
    as Nathan easily outpaces him.

    Forgot to add...

    Nathan's had a long period of gentle to less than gentle leg-pulling about
    the fact his bikes are road bikes (racing or touring) as opposed to
    "full-sussers" as beloved by the local 'yoof'

    With Nathan's mates, the penny finally dropped when even though he waited at
    the foot of a long uphill drag until his mates were halfway up it before
    setting off, Nathan reached the top of the uphill *before* his mates. One
    was on a 'full susser' and the other on the electric-assist bike.

    Cheers, helen s

  13. Simon Brooke said:

    in message <[email hidden]>, Paul

    Murphy (') said:

    There may have been another disabled person or two which I didn't spot
    but it paints the wrong picture to even hint at electric bikes being
    something only for people who aren't up to conventional (I prefer that
    word over 'normal'😉 cycling. This simply isn't the case.

    Then what on earth is the point? If the riders of electric bikes are fit
    enough to ride proper bikes, why on earth haul around all that extra
    junk? Is it masochism? Is it some perverted idea of fashion, or some
    surreal artwork?

    I think there might be a point, but I am only speculating since I don't
    have an electric bike. My regular commute to work (actually back from
    work) includes a 10+ minute climb which I can manage at 7mph (this is up
    from the 5mph I could manage a few years ago). I don't think this speed
    will change significantly in the future, I am as fit as I am likely to
    get. If, on a pedelec style bike, I could get up the same hill, working
    just as hard as I do now, at 15 mph then it would make a very signficant
    difference to the overall average speed and therefore door-to-door
    journey time. That in turn might induce to me ride on days where the
    weather, amount of kit I need to carry, or some other factor currently
    deters me. So, a wimpish cop-out of an electric bike might actually
    increase the amount of cycling I did and the amount of human power used.

    Also, taking a trailer to the recycling centre is a 9 mile round trip
    including a fierce hill. An electric bike would make this much more
    practicable.

    For me, I don't see an electric bike replacing conventional ones but by
    augmenting them it could be a signficant step towards being completely
    car free. The good folks at A2B make this point; for them an electric
    bike has been a key part of car-free life.

    regards

    Peter

    --
    www.amey.org.uk

  14. On Sun, 21 May 2006 19:18:17 +0100, Peter Amey <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    For me, I don't see an electric bike replacing conventional ones but by
    augmenting them it could be a signficant step towards being completely
    car free. The good folks at A2B make this point; for them an electric
    bike has been a key part of car-free life.

    It's by reading AtoB that my eyes have been opened to electric bikes.
    They still don't appeal to me, but it does seem that over the last few
    years the technology has moved forward to the point where these
    machines could be very useful or enjoyable for some riders.

    The Ezee Torq that they've recently been raving about sounds great
    fun, and I'd genuinely love to test ride one. It sounds a very
    practical and useful bike for someone who wants speedy local transport
    at minimum huff and puff.

    "Bob"
    --

    Email address is spam trapped, to reply directly remove the beverage.

  15. "Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    in message <[email hidden]>, Paul

    Murphy (') said:

    "Andy Leighton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Sun, 21 May 2006 09:42:47 +0100,
    Paul Murphy <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > "wafflycat" <w*a*ffycat*@btco*nnect.com> wrote in message
    > news:[email hidden]...
    >>
    >> My distinctly sporty cycling teenager has a mate of the same age who
    >> had a
    >> 'lightweight' motorised bike bought for him by his parents. My
    >> teenager, on a normal road bike (Peugeot Pulse G400) can outsprint
    >> his motorised mate up hills....
    >
    > Although you are correct in that there are 'lightweight' motorised
    > bikes about, only the best tend to have motors which output their
    > power through the gearchain system - what I referred to in my third
    > paragraph.

    But you too are being a little disingenious. From Nathan's TT times
    he would
    easily outsprint any electric-bike on the flat - they are supposed to
    be limited to 25kph aren't they?

    The 15 mph limitation (only currently present in certain countries
    including the UK) is only for when the power assistance must cut out.
    Its still possible to pedal faster than this as per with a conventional
    bike. I had mine up to 40 mph the week before last (hill assisted) but
    have certainly gone beyond 15 mph on the flat. The problem with my
    Giant Twist Comfort is that the gearing means the pedals would be going
    up and down too fast even in top gear to go much beyond 15 mph. If the
    rear sprocket was changed however...

    Quoted message said:

    With the right gearing it is possible that
    that speed might be possible up a steep hill. I've no idea what
    Nathan's hill climbing is like (except better than mine - but that
    applies to nearly
    everyone), but I think my money would be on him in a 10 mile race
    against the
    electric-bike over a mixed terrain course.

    On a top quality (but expensive) electric racing bike such as the
    'Yellow Dream' which weights 15 kg all up, I'd be very surprised if his
    times weren't much better on the electric bike than any other choice of
    non-power assisted bike!

    You have to be /joking/. I, fifty and with chronic circulation problems,
    could beat any legal electric bike on any course, without difficulty.
    People in my club can do time trials at 10Km/h faster than me. Time
    trialling, my speed rarely drops down below 25Km/h, so there is almost
    no time that the motor could legally assist - not even up the hills. All
    the time it isn't assisting, it's just extra weight and extra drag.
    You'd have to be an exceptionally poor cyclist to do as badly on a good
    quality normal bike as you would on a 'yellow dream'.

    Any course eh? I'll bet I could come up with a "mixed course" where the
    electric bike would have a significant advantage. All you need is lots of
    stopping and starting at intersections etc and lots of steep hills.... a bit
    like commuting in many parts of the UK. I agree that if you're cycling on
    the flat for high speeds over long distances, there is little advantage to
    an electric bike but how often does that happen in reality compared to
    "regular" commuting. Besides in these situations I often turn off power
    assistance altogether. The design of good electric bikes eg with the
    Panasonic power unit used in the Yellow Dream, do not impose additional
    rolling resistance due to the motor - it operates through a one way power
    transfer system so power can only be transferred from the motor not to it.
    If you are talking wind resistance drag, that would be minimal difference
    given there is very little difference in the external appearance of many
    electric bikes to conventional bikes and given the relatively low speeds
    involved.

    Paul

  16. "Alan Braggins" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Paul Murphy said:


    The 15 mph limitation (only currently present in certain countries
    including
    the UK) is only for when the power assistance must cut out. Its still
    possible to pedal faster than this as per with a conventional bike. I had
    mine up to 40 mph the week before last (hill assisted) but have certainly
    gone beyond 15 mph on the flat. The problem with my Giant Twist Comfort is
    that the gearing means the pedals would be going up and down too fast even
    in top gear to go much beyond 15 mph. If the rear sprocket was changed
    however...

    Then it would still have the extra weight penalty of an unused motor
    and battery. Ok, keeping extra weight going at a constant speed on
    absolutely flat terrain doesn't use any energy, but in practice a heavier
    bike does need more work, and the electric bike is as unlikely to be
    as aerodynamic as a non-electric bike (with some exceptions: for example
    http://www.bluevelo.com/page2.html).

    That weight penalty you talk about is minimal depending on the choice of
    bike and its getting better all the time with advances in battery
    technology. In a previous thread I pointed out to Simon Brook that the
    weight of my Dutch Roadster style Giant Twist is only a kilogram or 2 more
    than a similar non-power assisted Gazelle of similar styling and features.
    The powerplant on my bike and the Yellow Dream is the bottom bracket so
    there are some weight savings there and many batteries are now only about 2
    kg (mine is about 3.5 kg). Although there are lighter bikes the difference
    on a like for like basis isn't much and the gap is reducing all the time. I
    believe the increased flexibility of having that power available if wanted,
    more than makes up for any downsides, certainly for my commuting needs.

    Paul

  17. "wafflycat" <w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    <snipped other posts and fine example of a mum being proud of her son>

    Quoted message said:


    I honestly can't see the point of a motorised bike unless you are
    particularly unfit in a particularly hilly area or disabled.

    You've responded to other than my original reply to your post so much of my
    comment had been snipped out already. I suggest that you or others
    considering buying an electric bike read my reply then it will be clear what
    the point is.

    Paul

  18. "Simon Brooke" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    in message <[email hidden]>, Paul

    Murphy (') said:

    There may have been another disabled person or two which I didn't spot
    but it paints the wrong picture to even hint at electric bikes being
    something only for people who aren't up to conventional (I prefer that
    word over 'normal'😉 cycling. This simply isn't the case.

    Then what on earth is the point? If the riders of electric bikes are fit
    enough to ride proper bikes, why on earth haul around all that extra
    junk? Is it masochism? Is it some perverted idea of fashion, or some
    surreal artwork?

    Now you're just being silly, to summarise, the point is that they give you
    flexibility and options which aren't present with non-power assisted bikes.

    Quoted message said:


    --
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    .::;===r==\
    / /___||___\____
    //==\- ||- | /__\( MS Windows IS an operating environment.
    //____\__||___|_// \|: C++ IS an object oriented programming language.
    \__/ ~~~~~~~~~ \__/ Citroen 2cv6 IS a four door family saloon.

    Love the picture - so thats how the 2 CV designers came up with the shape,
    using ASCI characters on a keyboard. In fairness though there's actually a
    strong market for these unusual little cars. There's also a thriving 2CV
    owners club (as well as the all-encompassing Citroen owners club). If I
    owned one I'd be hanging onto it to watch its value rise.

    Paul

  19. "Call me Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    On Sun, 21 May 2006 19:18:17 +0100, Peter Amey <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    For me, I don't see an electric bike replacing conventional ones but by
    augmenting them it could be a signficant step towards being completely
    car free. The good folks at A2B make this point; for them an electric
    bike has been a key part of car-free life.

    It's by reading AtoB that my eyes have been opened to electric bikes.
    They still don't appeal to me, but it does seem that over the last few
    years the technology has moved forward to the point where these
    machines could be very useful or enjoyable for some riders.

    I dont understand why you put the word "some" in there, surely if they can
    ride a bike the rider could get use or enjoyment from an electric bike?
    Whats preventing them from doing so (at all)?

    Quoted message said:


    <Bike of the quarter speel snipped>
    AtoB does get enthusiastic about products from time to time and the fact
    that the editor recently won the 2006 electric bike rally in Presteigne on
    one, I'm sure the manufacturer will capitalise on to sell more of them.
    Personally I'm waiting for something better which has the powerplant before
    the gearchain before considering moving from my Twist. The bike you referred
    to, although fast on the flat and moderate hills, falls down in that it only
    has a front hub style motor with fixed (you might say compromise) gearing so
    when you get a really steep hill with full loading, it will struggle.

    Paul

  20. Paul Murphy said:
    Quoted message said:

    years the technology has moved forward to the point where these
    machines could be very useful or enjoyable for some riders.

    I dont understand why you put the word "some" in there, surely if they can
    ride a bike the rider could get use or enjoyment from an electric bike?

    It's obvious, isn't it?

    I could only say the same thing about any type of bike. *Some* riders
    would find a full sus MTB useful or enjoyable, others would have
    absolutely no use for it whatsoever. The same thing would apply to a
    Dutch roadster, or low-pro TT machine, or an 8 freight, or a tandem,
    or a tourer, or a...

    "Bob"
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