i feel the need --- to upgrade!

Most upgrades will only change the appearance of the bike, and make you feel better but not faster.
First make sure the bike works - is adjusted, clean, ....

If you want a more efficient machine the biggest improvements will come from fit and aerodynamics

Does the bike fit?

aero - get aero wheels, wear clothes that fit trim, use a body position with low frontal area ...

As for weight - a lighter bike matters most when it's time to carry it up stairs, or put it in the
back of the car. Weight matters little while riding. Sure it has an effect but a pound here or there
is much less important then wearing a loose jersey.

So just ride and enjoy the bike. And use the shift key while typing.

-Bruce

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hi all

i just got a c'dale r500 caad4. it rides pretty nice. now i'm thinking of upgrading some of the
components. it has 9 sp tiagra sti shifters/der which actually work ok. ( i'm not racing so
they're not being pushed hard). coda brakes and triple coda px crank (not so sure about the
quality of these) i' ve been thinking of upgrading the cranks and bb to uptegra. rims are mavic
cx21 with coda hubs. tires are michelin pro race. any opinions on what upgrade path i should
takebefore i spen the cash? ultimately i would like to reduce some weight and make it easier and
smoother for a 50 year old , 175 lb. distance rider.

thanks in advance

bob

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RBS said:

hi all

i just got a c'dale r500 caad4. it rides pretty nice. now i'm thinking of upgrading some of the
components. it has 9 sp tiagra sti shifters/der which actually work ok. ( i'm not racing so they're
not being pushed hard). coda brakes and triple coda px crank (not so sure about the quality of
these) i' ve been thinking of upgrading the cranks and bb to uptegra. rims are mavic cx21 with coda
hubs. tires are michelin pro race. any opinions on what upgrade path i should takebefore i spen the
cash? ultimately i would like to reduce some weight and make it easier and smoother for a 50 year
old , 175 lb. distance rider.

I just bought the same bicycle from a no-wanter for a give away price and I'm planning on selling
it. I currently ride a CAAD4 and CAAD5 for and do endurance riding
<http://www.caltriplecrown.com/Fame.htm#PK> My mileage is 2-300/wk and I'm 60.

I went over the 2002 Model 500 to get it as close to perfectly adjusted as possible. The hubs were
not as smooth as higher quality items even after new balls and pretension set. They will still last
a long time. The front derailleur worked fine but looks to be of much lower quality than a 105
model. Everything else was surprisingly good. The rings on the crankset appear to be high quality.

You will not improve much of anything by 'upgrading'. When stuff wears out, replace with Ultegra.
For weight savings, work on the motor first. For an additional $500-1,000, you can save ½ lb on
the bicycle.

RBS-<< i just got a c'dale r500 caad4. it rides pretty nice. now i'm thinking of upgrading some of
the components. it has 9 sp tiagra sti shifters/der which actually work ok. ( i'm not racing so
they're not being pushed hard). coda brakes and triple coda px crank (not so sure about the quality
of these) i' ve been thinking of upgrading the cranks and bb to uptegra. rims are mavic cx21 with
coda hubs. tires are michelin pro race. any opinions on what upgrade path i should takebefore i spen
the cash? ultimately i would like to reduce some weight and make it easier and smoother for a 50
year old , 175 lb. distance rider.

thanks in advance

bob

Bob, spend the money on things like a good massage therapist or trainer. Perhaps a bike fit if you
have any doubts on your fit and comfort. I would not just change things, 'cuz', if you aren't trying
to fix a problem.

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hi all

i just got a c'dale r500 caad4. it rides pretty nice. now i'm thinking of upgrading some of the
components. it has 9 sp tiagra sti shifters/der which actually work ok. ( i'm not racing so
they're not being pushed hard). coda brakes and triple coda px crank (not so sure about the
quality of these) i' ve been thinking of upgrading the cranks and bb to uptegra. rims are mavic
cx21 with coda hubs. tires are michelin pro race. any opinions on what upgrade path i should
takebefore i spen the cash? ultimately i would like to reduce some weight and make it easier and
smoother for a 50 year old , 175 lb. distance rider.

thanks in advance

bob

Hi, well I agree that there will be little or no obvious changes in performance, I see no reason not
to upgrade. One area where I think you will notice improvement, is with the brifters. I have Tiagra
shifters on my bike and it is one of the first things that I want to replace. They did have some
problems with the Ultegra brifters, so I would go with Dura-Ace. In fact, I would go with the
Dura-Ace crankset too. I think Ultegra would be fine for the derailleurs, cassette, and bottom
bracket. I should clarify, I am no expert and base these suggestions on what I would do. I have a
2002 LeMond Tourmalet, which came with mostly Tiagra components. The rear derailleur is 105 and the
brake calipers are not Shimano. The crankset and brifters are Tiagra. I have already, as part of the
original purchase, had the front derailleur upgraded from Tiagra to Dura-Ace. The bike has a Prolink
saddle, Ultegra SPD-SL pedals, and Specialized Phat gel tape.

My own plan for upgrades, in this order, budget permiting, will be: Tires - from IRC Redstorm
Classic to Conti Ultra Gatorskins 700x25c Brifters - Tiagra to Dura-Ace triple Crankset - Tiagra
52-42-30 to Dura-Ace 53-39-30 & Ultegra bottom bracket Cassette - Ultegra 25-14 to Ultegra 23-13
[same time as crankset] Wheelset - Matrix Aurora w/Front:aluminum, Rear:Tiagra Hubs to ??? If I have
wheels built, then I definitely want Dura-Ace hubs. If prebuilt, I am interested in the Mavic Cosmos
Elite or Excel Sports Cirrus. But i would like lightness and the best possible hubs, so I have a lot
of research to do. Computer - CatEye Astrale 8 to Shimano Flightdeck [Astrale 8 works just fine, I
would like to know what gear I am in, hence the Flightdeck - no hurry] Rear derailleur - 105 to
Dura-Ace [no rush as the 105 works really well]

Some of the above, will be of real benefit, others will just make me happy and more enthused about
my bike. For me, by the time I can afford some of these upgrades, I'll need them, because the other
parts will be worn out. Enjoy your bike and consider going top of the line, budget permitting. Life
is Good! Jeff

I agree. You will likely notice no difference if you upgrade. The amount of weight you will lose can
be measured in ounces...not pounds. Why not use the bike and upgrade the components as they need to
be replaced?

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Most upgrades will only change the appearance of the bike, and make you

feel

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better but not faster. First make sure the bike works - is adjusted,

clean,

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....

If you want a more efficient machine the biggest improvements will come

from

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fit and aerodynamics

Does the bike fit?

aero - get aero wheels, wear clothes that fit trim, use a body position

with

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low frontal area ...

As for weight - a lighter bike matters most when it's time to carry it up stairs, or put it in the
back of the car. Weight matters little while riding. Sure it has an effect but a pound here or
there is much less important then wearing a loose jersey.

So just ride and enjoy the bike. And use the shift key while typing.

-Bruce

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hi all

i just got a c'dale r500 caad4. it rides pretty nice. now i'm thinking of upgrading some of the
components. it has 9 sp tiagra sti shifters/der which actually work ok. ( i'm not racing so
they're not being pushed hard). coda brakes and triple coda px crank (not so sure about the
quality of these) i' ve been thinking of upgrading the cranks and bb to uptegra. rims are mavic
cx21 with coda hubs. tires are michelin pro race. any opinions on what upgrade path i should
takebefore i spen the cash? ultimately i would like to reduce some weight and make it easier and
smoother for a 50 year old , 175 lb. distance rider.

thanks in advance

bob

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hi all

i just got a c'dale r500 caad4. it rides pretty nice. now i'm thinking of upgrading some of the
components. it has 9 sp tiagra sti shifters/der which actually work ok. ( i'm not racing so
they're not being pushed hard). coda brakes and triple coda px crank (not so sure about the
quality of these) i' ve been thinking of upgrading the cranks and bb to uptegra. rims are mavic
cx21 with coda hubs. tires are michelin pro race. any opinions on what upgrade path i should
takebefore i spen the cash? ultimately i would like to reduce some weight and make it easier and
smoother for a 50 year old , 175 lb. distance rider.

thanks in advance

bob

Hi, well I agree that there will be little or no obvious changes in performance, I see no reason
not to upgrade. One area where I think you will notice improvement, is with the brifters. I have
Tiagra shifters on my bike and it is one of the first things that I want to replace. They did have
some problems with the Ultegra brifters, so I would go with Dura-Ace. In fact, I would go with the
Dura-Ace crankset too. I think Ultegra would be fine for the derailleurs, cassette, and bottom
bracket. I should clarify, I am no expert and base these suggestions on what I would do. I have a
2002 LeMond Tourmalet, which came with mostly Tiagra components. The rear derailleur is 105 and
the brake calipers are not Shimano. The crankset and brifters are Tiagra. I have already, as part
of the original purchase, had the front derailleur upgraded from Tiagra to Dura-Ace. The bike has
a Prolink saddle, Ultegra SPD-SL pedals, and Specialized Phat gel tape.

My own plan for upgrades, in this order, budget permiting, will be: Tires - from IRC Redstorm
Classic to Conti Ultra Gatorskins 700x25c Brifters - Tiagra to Dura-Ace triple Crankset - Tiagra
52-42-30 to Dura-Ace 53-39-30 & Ultegra bottom bracket Cassette - Ultegra 25-14 to Ultegra 23-13
[same time as crankset] Wheelset - Matrix Aurora w/Front:aluminum, Rear:Tiagra Hubs to ??? If I
have wheels built, then I definitely want Dura-Ace hubs. If prebuilt, I am interested in the Mavic
Cosmos Elite or Excel Sports Cirrus. But i would like lightness and the best possible hubs, so I
have a lot of research to do. Computer - CatEye Astrale 8 to Shimano Flightdeck [Astrale 8 works
just fine, I would like to know what gear I am in, hence the Flightdeck - no hurry] Rear
derailleur - 105 to Dura-Ace [no rush as the 105 works really well]

Some of the above, will be of real benefit, others will just make me happy and more enthused about
my bike. For me, by the time I can afford some of these upgrades, I'll need them, because the
other parts will be worn out. Enjoy your bike and consider going top of the line, budget
permitting. Life is Good! Jeff

The thing ya gotta watch out for is trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. I've seen a
bunch of low-end bikes with Ultegra and D/A (XT/XTR off-road) on them... Makes me wonder what that
person was thinking.

The flip-side is that these people are riding more, which is a good thing! So upgrading isn't all
that bad, even though all it does is add an ooh aah factor to your bicycle.

Mike

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Most upgrades will only change the appearance of the bike, and make you feel better but not faster.

And to some of us, it is almost as fun as riding! B

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Most upgrades will only change the appearance of the bike, and make you

feel

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better but not faster.

And to some of us, it is almost as fun as riding! B

I find that the hunt for that elusive part for an awesome price can be as much fun as riding. Hell,
anyone can go buy Dura Ace pedals at full retail, it takes a sleuth to get them for a little over
wholesale without working for a shop...

Mike

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Crankset - Tiagra 52-42-30 to Dura-Ace 53-39-30 & Ultegra bottom

you would have more options for the future with a Ultegra Crank instead of the DA with its one of a
kind granny. B

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Bob said:

i just got a c'dale r500 caad4. it rides pretty nice. now i'm thinking of upgrading some of the
components. it has 9 sp tiagra sti shifters/der which actually work ok. ( i'm not racing so
they're not being pushed hard). coda brakes and triple coda px crank (not so sure about the
quality of these) i' ve been thinking of upgrading the cranks and bb to uptegra. rims are mavic
cx21 with coda hubs. tires are michelin pro race. any opinions on what upgrade path i should take
before i spend the cash? ultimately i would like to reduce some weight and make it easier and
smoother for a 50 year old , 175 lb. distance rider.

Bob, you're not going to save enough weight to make a difference. Upgrading brand new equipment
doesn't really make sense unless there is a problem. I would only swap items that affect comfort or
safety. If you have an urge to upgrade something, try:

- A more comfortable saddle

- Slightly wider tires

- Different stem (if your's doesn't feel right)

- Kool Stop (salmon) brake pads

- New bar tape

It's not about the bike. Go ride!

Art Harris

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feel

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better but not faster.

And to some of us, it is almost as fun as riding! B

I find that the hunt for that elusive part for an awesome price can be as much fun as riding.
Hell, anyone can go buy Dura Ace pedals at full

retail,

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it takes a sleuth to get them for a little over wholesale without working for a shop...

Wholesale? Who pays wholesale?

Ebay has allowed me to build three full Record 9 bikes (two of them being Colnagos) for about I
would pay for one at my LBS.

Lee

RBS said:

hi all

i just got a c'dale r500 caad4. it rides pretty nice. now i'm thinking of upgrading some of the
components. it has 9 sp tiagra sti shifters/der which actually work ok. ( i'm not racing so
they're not being pushed hard). coda brakes and triple coda px crank (not so sure about the
quality of these) i' ve been thinking of upgrading the cranks and bb to uptegra.

What would that accomplish? The weight difference is tiny. If the

not a carbon fiber in the lot. But if it all works....

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hi all

i just got a c'dale r500 caad4. it rides pretty nice. now i'm thinking of upgrading some of the
components. it has 9 sp tiagra sti shifters/der which actually work ok. ( i'm not racing so
they're not being pushed hard). coda brakes and triple coda px crank (not so sure about the
quality of these) i' ve been thinking of upgrading the cranks and bb to uptegra. rims are mavic
cx21 with coda hubs. tires are michelin pro race. any opinions on what upgrade path i should
takebefore i spen the cash? ultimately i would like to reduce some weight and make it easier and
smoother for a 50 year old , 175 lb. distance rider.

thanks in advance

bob

I agree with most here that you usually don't notice an improvement when upgrading already working
parts, but fact remains, it is a lot of fun!! I upgraded my hubs from Ultegra to Dura Ace (brand new
7700 for $90 - Ebay) for no obvious reason, rebuilt the wheels myself (will have to see how well
they work out) and I am hoping to sell the Ultegra set for about $40, hence an upgrade of about $50.
Is it truly worth it? Probably not, but I had a lot of fun doing it.

I think we upgrade for many reasons, among them

- the believe that it will work better or ride faster
- the glitter factor
- beacuse we are itching to spend money on the newer and better stuff

I am also doing it to have the bike exactly where I want it, I am leaving the States soon and then I
won't likely be able to afford most upgrades - do you guys realize that a part prices are almost
double in my home country (South Africa) and to rub salt in the wounds, salaries are not. The bike I
have built up here on a graduate student salary will cost me the equivalent of two months of full
salary of an experienced engineer back home!

So ultimately upgrading does not make sense unless you are at a level where you might notice it, or
if something broke, yet there are very few among us that can truly say they have not gone for that
elusive deal on something that has bicycling lore imbedded in it, wheter that means classic Open
Pros or a carbon Record derailleur to you...

Jeff Starr said:

Hi, well I agree that there will be little or no obvious changes in performance, I see no reason
not to upgrade. One area where I think you will notice improvement, is with the brifters. I have
Tiagra shifters on my bike and it is one of the first things that I want to replace. They did have
some problems with the Ultegra brifters, so I would go with Dura-Ace. In fact, I would go with the
Dura-Ace crankset too.

I don't get the advantage of one model of cranks over another. Bottom brackets are all nice and
smooth -- I use Shimano cartridge bottom brackets on all my bikes -- but the model difference is
cosmetic, and a few (very few) grams of weight.

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My own plan for upgrades, in this order, budget permiting, will be: Tires
- from IRC Redstorm Classic to Conti Ultra Gatorskins 700x25c

Replace tires when they wear out. But these will be heavier and have higher rolling resistance than
what you have on there.

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Computer - CatEye Astrale 8 to Shimano Flightdeck [Astrale 8 works just fine, I would like to know
what gear I am in, hence the Flightdeck - no hurry]

Look down, you can see what gear you are in.

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The thing ya gotta watch out for is trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. I've seen a
bunch of low-end bikes with Ultegra and D/A (XT/XTR off-road) on them... Makes me wonder what that
person was thinking.

The flip-side is that these people are riding more, which is a good thing! So upgrading isn't all
that bad, even though all it does is add an ooh aah factor to your bicycle.

Mike

Well, I can't comment on the R500, but I'd hardly call a LeMond Tourmalet, a sow's ear. It's the
same frame as the Buenos Aires, which is built up with mostly Ultegra components. The frame is a
combination Reynolds 853 and 525 tubing and weighs 3.7 lbs. I'm sure it's obvious, that I am very
pleased with and proud of my LeMond. My other bike, is a 27 year old French 10-speed, so the
Tourmalet was a real upgrade. Although, I still enjoy riding the "Champion Du Monde", which is know
a 12-speed, with very few original components. Now that bike, well not a sow's ear, was certainly
never anywhere close to a silk purse.

What I find kind of funny, is that some people think that one of the main reasons that some upgrade,
is to impress people. Well none of my friends can tell the difference between DA and Tiagra, or are
they impressed by DA. And the people who do know the difference, aren't impressed by the supposed
prestige of DA or Campy components. They do appreciate the quality and performance, when warranted.
Somehow bikes just don't carry the same kind of flash, as fancy watches and big screen TVs. Life is
Good! Jeff

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i just got a c'dale r500 caad4.

I ride with someone who has this exact bike and have some insight into what you might experience
over the next thousand miles or so:

- your brakes will screech like crazy and won't work well. Replace with thinline kool-stop
up front and "regular" threaded kool-stop in back. Breaking will be MUCH better
- get a third hand or other chainguard for the granny. Otherwise you will probably
experience lots of chaindrops as your cable stretches. I haven't found the Tiagra very
forgiving when it comes to front shifting
- The chain on the one LOOKED like a PC-59 but they didn't include a quick-link. Get one and
have it put on.
- The chainrings might better be swapped out with maybe a 50 as the largest and a 36 as the
middle. The cassette (12-25) on the one I know of is fine but up front just isn't
appropriate for the people who typically buy these bikes.

I think it's a really nice bike by the way.

In article <[email hidden]>, Jeff Starr

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My own plan for upgrades, in this order, budget permiting, will be:

What, no carbon fiber!? No Ti? A real gear geek's got to have advanced materials!

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Tires - from IRC Redstorm Classic to Conti Ultra Gatorskins 700x25c

Tires are consumeables. Gatorskins are good but a little heavy. I run one on the back and a normal
tire on the front.

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Crankset - Tiagra 52-42-30 to Dura-Ace 53-39-30 & Ultegra bottom bracket

The only reason to get the DA triple is if you absolutely must have a 53-39 combo. Otherwise the
Ultegra or 105 triple crank is better, since it uses normal BCDs and allows a much wider range of
chainrings.

The DA triple BB is identical in design to the Ultegra one... it's not like the DA double that needs
attention more often.

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Cassette - Ultegra 25-14 to Ultegra 23-13 [same time as crankset]

With that tight a cassette you could instead use a 110mm BCD double crank with 36-5x rings and a
12-26 rear to get the same low gear with better shifting, less weight and less expense.

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Wheelset - Matrix Aurora w/Front:aluminum, Rear:Tiagra Hubs to ??? If I have wheels built, then
I definitely want Dura-Ace hubs. If prebuilt, I am interested in the Mavic Cosmos Elite or Excel
Sports Cirrus. But i would like lightness and the best possible hubs, so I have a lot of
research to do.

I'd recommend a handlbuilt set of "normal" wheels on DA or Ultegra hubs. Cheaper, often lighter than
the botique wheel, and often more durable (but not always; I have a set of Shimano R535s that are
bombroof but they weigh a ton!)

I've got a rear wheel built by Excel (Ritchey WCS rim on ultegra) that's pretty light for a
"training" wheel and has been durable.

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Computer - CatEye Astrale 8 to Shimano Flightdeck [Astrale 8 works just fine, I would like to know
what gear I am in, hence the Flightdeck - no hurry]

You can get a $5 small tubular gizmo that the shift cable goes through. It's got a red ball to
indicate the gear. Cheaper than Flite Deck and leaves room on your bars for your HRM.

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bunch of low-end bikes with Ultegra and D/A

(XT/XTR

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off-road) on them... Makes me wonder what that person was thinking.

The flip-side is that these people are riding more, which is a good

thing!

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So upgrading isn't all that bad, even though all it does is add an ooh

aah

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factor to your bicycle.

Mike

Well, I can't comment on the R500, but I'd hardly call a LeMond Tourmalet, a sow's ear. It's the
same frame as the Buenos Aires, which is built up with mostly Ultegra components. The frame is a
combination Reynolds 853 and 525 tubing and weighs 3.7 lbs. I'm sure it's obvious, that I am very
pleased with and proud of my LeMond. My other bike, is a 27 year old French 10-speed, so the
Tourmalet was a real upgrade. Although, I still enjoy riding the "Champion Du Monde", which is
know a 12-speed, with very few original components. Now that bike, well not a sow's ear, was
certainly never anywhere close to a silk purse.

What I find kind of funny, is that some people think that one of the main reasons that some
upgrade, is to impress people. Well none of my friends can tell the difference between DA and
Tiagra, or are they impressed by DA. And the people who do know the difference, aren't impressed
by the supposed prestige of DA or Campy components. They do appreciate the quality and
performance, when warranted. Somehow bikes just don't carry the same kind of flash, as fancy
watches and big screen TVs. Life is Good! Jeff

The best place to impress them is when you drop them all like a bad habit on the POS bike you use
for rain riding... but ya gotta be wearing black socks, and retro stuff for it to really be
impressive.

Dura Ace, we don't need no stinkin' Dura Ace!

David L. Johnson said:

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Computer - CatEye Astrale 8 to Shimano Flightdeck [Astrale 8 works just fine, I would like to
know what gear I am in, hence the Flightdeck - no hurry]

Look down, you can see what gear you are in.

Actually, the flightdeck shows you all sorts of cool data based on your gear. I don't remember
exactly what, but when I was looking at it, I thought it would be immensely useful for me to analyze
as well as to help me choose gears and such. I think it also logs data that you can upload to your
computer...

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