Cook sets for cycle camping

Tom said:

Slark said:

How can I resist - yes please!

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1 tin of corned beef

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Corned beef! it's gone horribly wrong already!

Our favourite Trangia recipe goes like this... (for two people)

A good splash of white wine over the base of the pan, warm it up
Add one clove of garlic, chopped finely
Progressivley add and stir in 200g of Gruyere and 100g of Emental

When it's all in and burbling happily you have a good cheese
fondue. Dip in anything you fancy (bread, mushrooms, asparagus
tips, carrots, mini-sweetcorns etc.) and consume, leaving on low
heat and *keep stirring*.

You can optionally add a little kirsch or similar schnapps-ish
stuff if you like, I like it with and also without.

Don't be tempted to use red wine as it's all you have, it really is
a terrible waste of both the wine and the cheese.

Other cheeses make good combinations too. Jarlsberg and Greve give
a good nordic alternative, for those preferring their heels free.

Pete.
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Quoted message said:

Tom said:

Slark said:

How can I resist - yes please!

Quoted message said:

1 tin of corned beef

<snip>

Corned beef! it's gone horribly wrong already!

Our favourite Trangia recipe goes like this... (for two people)

A good splash of white wine over the base of the pan, warm it up
Add one clove of garlic, chopped finely
Progressivley add and stir in 200g of Gruyere and 100g of Emental

When it's all in and burbling happily you have a good cheese fondue. Dip
in anything you fancy (bread, mushrooms, asparagus tips, carrots,
mini-sweetcorns etc.) and consume, leaving on low heat and *keep
stirring*.

You can optionally add a little kirsch or similar schnapps-ish stuff if
you like, I like it with and also without.

Don't be tempted to use red wine as it's all you have, it really is a
terrible waste of both the wine and the cheese.

Other cheeses make good combinations too. Jarlsberg and Greve give a good
nordic alternative, for those preferring their heels free.

Corned beef's fine for me - reminds me of (much younger) camping times when
'corned beef' hash was often on the menu - onions fried, baked beans in
tomato sauce, corned beef - all stired together in pan...-simple times..

However, I hadn't even considered a cheese fondue - great idea! I'll
definitely try that next time I'm camping - I'm in lakes next week so a
strong possibility. I like the idea of the nordic cheese fondue - I'm off to
Levi in Finland in Feb so may be time for a fondue and for getting my heels
free!

Graham

Pinky said:

I find that using meths stains the pot bottoms a bit but not
difficult to clean off.

Something no-one else seems to have mentioned - some places make it
very difficult to buy meths. You _can_ cook things on a Trangia
running white spirit, but it's very slow and makes the pans horribly
blackened.

Check you can buy meths where you're going.

regards, Ian SMith
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Have any camping tourers out there got experience of these at all! Or
any
words of advice!

I am a Trangia fan having had one donated to me a couple of years ago. I've
used it extensively on two coast to cost rides, a Land's End to John
O'Groats ride and a John O'Groats t'other end ride. Like one of the previous
posters, I set up the stove before unpacking the tent. Sometimes it was
drumming up other times it was setting up a meal. it depended how desperate
I was for tasty calories :-)

Cooking with a Trangia is a calming experience. It's pointless being in a
hurry though having to put your meal to bed for a while before you can eat
it takes the calming experience a few strides too far ;-)

Trangias do porridge to perfection. I'd never considered porridge in the
past and, contrary to received wisdom, cleaning the porridge pan is not an
unpleasant chore unless one has been inattentive and burnt it.
The bottoms of the pans do black up but I've never bothered cleaning them on
a daily basis when on tour and never noticed a deterioration in performance.

In the UK the cost of meths varies so much. Wilkinsons is consistently one
of the cheapest sources at £1.50 per bottle though a farm supplies/hardware
store in Williton, Somerset came in at £1.37 and a small rural garage in the
same county had the stuff on offer at £3.25!

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Pinky said:

I find that using meths stains the pot bottoms a bit but not
difficult to clean off.

Something no-one else seems to have mentioned - some places make it
very difficult to buy meths. You _can_ cook things on a Trangia
running white spirit, but it's very slow and makes the pans horribly
blackened.

Check you can buy meths where you're going.

I've already mentioned this, but I think it bears repeating -

http://www.mark-ju.net/juliette/meths.htm

has some good information on this subject.

If somebody could reply to this message, then Pinky may get to see it and
find out something useful (like how to use a killfile sensibly...)

cheers,
clive

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A bigger picture is here. That is just the thumbnail! Sorry!

http://www.tapan.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Rain_on_my_supper_pot.JPG

Nice weather.

Have you ever tried building your own. There are some good
designs here
http://zenstoves.net/BasicPressureBurner.htm

I made one once and it worked quite well.
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Cheers
the.Mark

Peter Clinch said:

What they don't give you is outright speed (not generally an issue
for a leisurely brew up after a day on the road) and easily
controlled output. The simmer ring sort of works, up to a point,
but it's a PITA to use compared to a gas valve. For a stew or hot
water, so what, but like David M. I usually use a gas adaptor which
leaves you with the most stable windproof camping stove there is
but faster and more control, but I do sometimes use spirit and it
does work. If you have the Lidl version there's no guarantee the
gas adapters ("official" from Primus or non-official from Markill
at half the price) will fit, so do be wary.

If, like me, you picked up your Trangia for less than a pound from a
jumble sale, you may discover that even the 'official' one does not fit
without some assistance in the shape of a file and drill.

I didn't know of the Markill adapter untill you mentioned it, having
spent a small fortune on the gas one (which works fine with mixed
propane/butane in just sub zero). I would definitely consider taking
the spirit burner for sub-zero stuff, but otherwise cannot be bothered.
I think I used it twice before spending the money for ease of use and
cleanliness.

...d

David Martin said:

I didn't know of the Markill adapter untill you mentioned it, having
spent a small fortune on the gas one (which works fine with mixed
propane/butane in just sub zero). I would definitely consider taking
the spirit burner for sub-zero stuff, but otherwise cannot be bothered.

If you did, you'd find it can be a bit of a bore trying to get it
to light :-( The fuel bottle inside your jacket for half an hour
wheeze helps, but that's half an hour you don't have a brew on for
:-( Also the case that in really low temps then the less soot from
diluting the fuel gambit starts to look like a Bad Idea, as adding
water doesn't help it catch fire for some reason...

Propane or propane/butane mixes are still okay until it gets
/seriously/ cold (saw an RGS talk from a chap who'd used gas in a
ski traverse of the Karakorum, not an activity/place generally
known for high temperatures. I was initially surprised he hadn't
used liquid fuel stoves, but he had lots of 8000m experience so I
think he probably Knew What He Was Doing). Pure butane would be a
problem, granted.

On the subject of getting things lit, the piezo lighters you can
get on some gas burners should not be relied on IME. We had one on
a trendy micro stove I won, and on a cycle trip we left the cooking
stuff out overnight on the first day... rained overnight and piezo
thingy was not playing "spark" the next day. It did recover later
that week, but after that the insulating cover cracked so the spark
was in the wrong place. Complete pants (dismounted it and saved 9
(nine, count 'em!) grammes), take a lighter and/or matches.
Matches much the best for a Trangia, unless you like burning your
fingers, the long ones especially good, and can be used as supports
for the Ortlieb coffee filter holder too.

Pete.
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Clive George said:

I've already mentioned this, but I think it bears repeating -

http://www.mark-ju.net/juliette/meths.htm

has some good information on this subject.

If somebody could reply to this message, then Pinky may get to see it
and find out something useful (like how to use a killfile sensibly...)

Though knowing something and acting on it are, of course, two
different things, and if he wants to be a wally and equate you to
the likes of Troll B and Mr. Ed then it's his perogative and problem...

(Ju is as mad as a box of frogs but a Very Good Egg and I'd trust
her advice on Matters Outdoor, btw.)

Pete.
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Clive George wrote:

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Though knowing something and acting on it are, of course, two different
things, and if he wants to be a wally and equate you to the likes of Troll
B and Mr. Ed then it's his perogative and problem...

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Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
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WRT Clive George -- a long time ago he asked that I "plonk" him and I
obliged. He was being extremely sarcastic at the time! (and even a couple of
days ago he reminded me of it -- via another poster as you have done). It
seems that he wants his cake and to eat it. As far as I am concerned I am
not interested and do not wish to discus him further.
--
Trevor A Panther
In South Yorkshire,
England, United Kingdom.

Peter Clinch said:

Matches much the best for a Trangia, unless you like burning your
fingers, the long ones especially good, and can be used as supports
for the Ortlieb coffee filter holder too.

I used to have problems lighting the trangia till I started taking the
windshield off the base, lightng the gas and then putting it back. No
worries then even with a lighter (my preferred method).

Maybe I don't feel the pain after a chemistry degree and with a hobby
of playing with hot metal.

...d

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WRT Clive George -- a long time ago he asked that I "plonk" him and I
obliged. He was being extremely sarcastic at the time! (and even a couple
of days ago he reminded me of it -- via another poster as you have done).
It seems that he wants his cake and to eat it. As far as I am concerned I
am not interested and do not wish to discus him further.

Just for the record, I said that one day I may say something which might
offend him, and in order to protect him from this the killfile would be
appropriate. He appears to have missed the actual point, which is that that
applies to everybody, so he'd have to killfile everybody. Oh well...

cheers,
clive

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Nice weather.

Have you ever tried building your own. There are some good
designs here
http://zenstoves.net/BasicPressureBurner.htm

I made one once and it worked quite well.

Made a couple of those myself, but prefer to use a Trangia burner with a
home-made windshield/pot support (somewhat like this:
http://zenstoves.net/PotStands.htm#WindScreen-PotStand ), but only for short
trips. Main advantage of Trangia et al: you can use them inside your tent (with
due caution!).
Recently bought a Jetboil myself ( www.jetboil.com ). You're limited to soups,
stews and instant meals, but it is briliant for quick brew-ups, and very
efficient, esp. for a cannister stove.
Best option on longer trips might be to bring a Trangia burner, a liquid fuel
stove, and the windshield/pot support mentioned above. This way you have a
back-up in case your main stove fails/gets lost, you can use the Trangia for
simmering (though I have a MSR Dragonfly* that WILL simmer), plus you're more
likely to find fuel for at least one of the stoves.
As for pots, less is more; just one cooking pot and a good fitting lid/frying
pan is all you need. And store your food, , not your stove(s), in the cookset;
less smelly and more space-efficient.

*and half a dozen other liquid fuel stoves; I like gadgets and fire...

Pinky said:

WRT Clive George -- a long time ago he asked that I "plonk" him and I
obliged. He was being extremely sarcastic at the time! (and even a couple of
days ago he reminded me of it -- via another poster as you have done). It
seems that he wants his cake and to eat it. As far as I am concerned I am
not interested and do not wish to discus him further.

It seems that you missed the point he was making at the time WRT
killfiles, and if you're "not interested" in what he has to say then
it's your loss as he's one of the Good Guys.

Trevor, interested or not, meet your nose. It's the one you cut off to
spite your face. Say hello! ;-/

Pete.
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Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
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Very off topic -- sorry! ( but not very)

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It seems that you missed the point he was making at the time WRT
killfiles, and if you're "not interested" in what he has to say then it's
your loss as he's one of the Good Guys.

Trevor, interested or not, meet your nose. It's the one you cut off to
spite your face. Say hello! ;-/

You were not there at the time! Do not pontificate at me. He is no loss to
me. I use my blocked enders list as I wish, to suit myself and no one else.

No I did not miss the point at all. He made, at that time, a sarcastic
remark asking that I add him to my "killfile". I replied to him and added
him. He subsequently, very recently added yet another snide remark which I
saw through another's response and I posted to say that he continued to be
in that position.

He then tries to add to this string expecting me to take interest. As far as
I am concerned I have no need to remove him from his current position in my
"blocked senders list" and I do not miss his input since I don't ever
recollect anything of interest, to me, from him. Since I rarely see any of
his magnificent input now I cease to be concerned.
I have no worries about my nose -- although I do worry about yours -- it
seems to be poking into matters which don't concern you. But given that this
is an open forum you can express you opinion as so do I.
As far as I am concerned I shall not make any further comment on the subject
of Clive George

-- Trevor A Panther
In South Yorkshire,
England, United Kingdom.

On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 17:07:13 +0100, John B <[email hidden]>

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Pinky said:

I find that using meths stains the pot bottoms a bit but not difficult to
clean off.

If you add about 10% water to the meths it will not blacken the pans so much.

Or heat the food so much - meths is ethanol, methanol, water, purple
stuff and nasty tasting stuff. (The last two ingredients may be the
same thing). Adding more water makes it boil even slower.

IMHO the Trangia was the best thing since sliced bread _when it came
out_, replacing the primus (leastways that's what it replaced in my
Scout troop.) However there are much better alternatives, as
described elsewhere in this thread. The gas conversion doofah is a bit
underpowered (smaller jet?) than other gas powered burners but is a
good start. It's not very good for frying sausages, as the flame is
too concentrated and far away from the pan. If I was buying new I'd
get a purpose made gas stove, plus pans plus lightweight heat sheild.
As I've already got a Trangia I'll keep that. I've made a widget from
a tin can to lift the burner closer to the frying pan.

Tim

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Pinky said:

WRT Clive George -- a long time ago he asked that I "plonk" him and I
obliged. He was being extremely sarcastic at the time! (and even a
couple of
days ago he reminded me of it -- via another poster as you have done).
It
seems that he wants his cake and to eat it. As far as I am concerned I
am not interested and do not wish to discus him further.

It seems that you missed the point he was making at the time WRT
killfiles, and if you're "not interested" in what he has to say then
it's your loss as he's one of the Good Guys.

Trevor, interested or not, meet your nose. It's the one you cut off to
spite your face. Say hello! ;-/

We all have the right to decide for ourselves whom we do not want to listen
to. I on the whole prefer not to comment on the content of my killfile,
but would be the first to admit it's comprehensive. On one of the groups I
frequent, on average one post in seventy makes it past my killfile for me
to read!

--
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;; my other religion is Emacs

Peter Clinch said:

For meths, add a little
water and there's less soot produced.

An old scouting trick (admittedly from cooking on wood) is to smear the
bottom of your pans with a little washing-up liquid. The soot slides off much
easier.

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"At night, the razor weasels come."

Stephen Patterson said:

An old scouting trick (admittedly from cooking on wood) is to smear the
bottom of your pans with a little washing-up liquid. The soot slides off much
easier.

Never really saw much of a problem with sooty pans, to be honest.
However, if one's cooking inside then a cleaner burn to start with is nicer.

Pete.
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