Do NITRO-TECH bars contain "trans-fat"

Brandon Berg said:

I'm not sure exactly how this affects the lipid profile, but it's a physical process and does not
produce trans fatty acids.

Rather the opposite. Used in order to remove omega-3 acids and transfats. The last one I agree
about, but fractionating away the omega-3 to increase shelf time I disagree about since it increases
the omega-6 to omega-3 ratio dramatically. If I remember correctly, soy oil in US is fractionated to
remove the omega-3 oils :-( (a main reason why there is so little omega-3 in us diet)

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I see your point. I eat lots of apples but they have no protein.

Regarding being "all natural", so are nightshade mushrooms and snake venom and lots of other
things that can hurt you.

The appeal to "all natural" is the biggest bunch of bunk in the modern era.

While I agree with you that the term "all natural" is often a marketing ploy, there are so many
examples that show that processed food is bad your you. Example,

1. Refined flour gets digested too quickly.
2. Sugar is bad for your teeth.
3. Trans Fats may cause cardiovascular diseases.

Some of these examples are only known recently. So, a prudent strategy would be to be very cautious
about processed food. It is all about risk management. I am placing my bets on foods that have not
undergone major industrial processes.

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Sy

In article said:

Ask yourself a better question. Is this bar the best thing that I can put into my body? Answer
probably not. It may be better than a snickers but is it the best thing you can consume. Eat to
live don't live to eat and more important don't work to support your junk food bar company. That
is what this bar is, junk food in a different wrapper. Eat an Apple, it's cheaper and all
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I love NITRO-TECH bars because of their taste and protein content.

I am trying to figure out whether they contain any significant amounts of "trans-fat".

Any comments will be appreciated.

Thanks,

Sy

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Personally I like my fats fully stacked with hydrogen. If you're going to oxidize you might as
well do it right.

Hmm, I hope you are joking. It is my understanding that trans fats may be a cause for heart
diseases.

Trans fats aren't fully stacked with hydrogen. That'd be saturated fat.

Maybe so, but read the subject of the discussion. It is on trans fats. I will take saturated fats
over trans fats any day.

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Maybe so, but read the subject of the discussion. It is on trans fats. I will take saturated fats
over trans fats any day.

Is that what causes those cellulite dents on your legs?

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what does the label say?

The label doesn't say anything, you actually have to read it.

In spite of your constant denigration of me, my flaccid advice and supercilious "debate" style, I
see you have a fine sense of humor. I slapped each of my knees repeatedly while reading your
clever quip and for several moments thereafter.

Nevertheless, you have my pity.

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Interesting.

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I see your point. I eat lots of apples but they have no protein.

Regarding being "all natural", so are nightshade mushrooms and snake venom and lots of other
things that can hurt you.

The appeal to "all natural" is the biggest bunch of bunk in the

modern

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era.

While I agree with you that the term "all natural" is often a marketing ploy, there are so many
examples that show that processed food is bad your you. Example,

1. Refined flour gets digested too quickly.
2. Sugar is bad for your teeth.
3. Trans Fats may cause cardiovascular diseases.

Some of these examples are only known recently. So, a prudent strategy would be to be very
cautious about processed food. It is all about risk management. I am placing my bets on foods that
have not undergone major industrial processes.

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Sy

OTOH, sometimes foods are improved to varying degrees by some level of processing (and indeed
some "foods" are inedible or even toxic in their natural state). If you don't believe me, try
eating an olive straight from the tree.

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Ask yourself a better question. Is this bar the best thing that I

can put

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into my body? Answer probably not. It may be better than a

snickers but is

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it the best thing you can consume. Eat to live don't live to eat

and more

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important don't work to support your junk food bar company. That

is what

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this bar is, junk food in a different wrapper. Eat an Apple, it's

cheaper

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> I love NITRO-TECH bars because of their taste and protein

content.

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> I am trying to figure out whether they contain any significant

amounts

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> of "trans-fat".
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> Any comments will be appreciated.
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> Thanks,
>
> Sy

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> Personally I like my fats fully stacked with hydrogen. If you're going to oxidize you might
> as well do it right.

Hmm, I hope you are joking. It is my understanding that trans fats may be a cause for heart
diseases.

Trans fats aren't fully stacked with hydrogen. That'd be saturated fat.

Maybe so, but read the subject of the discussion. It is on trans fats. I will take saturated fats
over trans fats any day.

Which means that you like your fats fully stacked with hydrogen.

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I see your point. I eat lots of apples but they have no protein.

Regarding being "all natural", so are nightshade mushrooms and snake venom and lots of other
things that can hurt you.

The appeal to "all natural" is the biggest bunch of bunk in the

modern

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era.

While I agree with you that the term "all natural" is often a marketing ploy, there are so many
examples that show that processed food is bad your you. Example,

1. Refined flour gets digested too quickly.
2. Sugar is bad for your teeth.
3. Trans Fats may cause cardiovascular diseases.

Some of these examples are only known recently. So, a prudent strategy would be to be very
cautious about processed food. It is all about risk management. I am placing my bets on foods
that have not undergone major industrial processes.

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Sy

OTOH, sometimes foods are improved to varying degrees by some level of processing (and indeed
some "foods" are inedible or even toxic in their natural state). If you don't believe me, try
eating an olive straight from the tree.

August Pamplona

Point well taken. I will also try not to lick any colorful toad I come across. I will not invest in
junk bonds and I promise not to run any red lights. Also, I won't take any of those high tech fats
substitutes either. It is simple risk management. I don't do things that I believe have an elevated
chance of hurting me. Some people bungle jump, I don't. People have different levels risk tolerance.
George Burns lived over 100 smoking cigars and he seemed reasonably happy, but that does not mean I
am going to start smoking.

My attitude towards highly processed food is similar to strangers hanging outside my door late at
night. I tend to be cautious about them.

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> Ask yourself a better question. Is this bar the best thing that I

can put

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> into my body? Answer probably not. It may be better than a

snickers but is

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> it the best thing you can consume. Eat to live don't live to eat

and more

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> important don't work to support your junk food bar company. That

is what

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> this bar is, junk food in a different wrapper. Eat an Apple, it's

cheaper

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> and all natural guaranteed. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> >
> > I love NITRO-TECH bars because of their taste and protein

content.

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> >
> > I am trying to figure out whether they contain any significant

amounts

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> > of "trans-fat".
> >
> > Any comments will be appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Sy

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> > Personally I like my fats fully stacked with hydrogen. If you're going to oxidize you
> > might as well do it right.
>
> Hmm, I hope you are joking. It is my understanding that trans fats may be a cause for heart
> diseases.

Trans fats aren't fully stacked with hydrogen. That'd be saturated fat.

Maybe so, but read the subject of the discussion. It is on trans fats. I will take saturated
fats over trans fats any day.

Which means that you like your fats fully stacked with hydrogen.

Damn, why do people who can't read insist on using newsgroups? The fact that I prefer saturated fats
over trans fats does not mean I take a lot of saturated fats, nor do I like or dislike saturated
fats per se. It means that I don't sweat over a buttered toast, but I won't eat margarine. Got that
yet? If you still don't understand this, I suggest English lessons. If you want to take trans fats,
go ahead. You are doomed by the forces of natural selection anyway.

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> I see your point. I eat lots of apples but they have no protein.
>
> Regarding being "all natural", so are nightshade mushrooms and snake venom and lots of other
> things that can hurt you.
>
> The appeal to "all natural" is the biggest bunch of bunk in the

modern

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> era.
>
While I agree with you that the term "all natural" is often a marketing ploy, there are so many
examples that show that processed food is bad your you. Example,

1. Refined flour gets digested too quickly.
2. Sugar is bad for your teeth.
3. Trans Fats may cause cardiovascular diseases.

Some of these examples are only known recently. So, a prudent strategy would be to be very
cautious about processed food. It is all about risk management. I am placing my bets on foods
that have not undergone major industrial processes.

> Sy

OTOH, sometimes foods are improved to varying degrees by some level of processing (and indeed
some "foods" are inedible or even toxic in their natural state). If you don't believe me, try
eating an olive straight from the tree.

August Pamplona

Point well taken. I will also try not to lick any colorful toad I come across. I will not invest in
junk bonds and I promise not to run any red lights. Also, I won't take any of those high tech fats
substitutes either. It is simple risk management. I don't do things that I believe have an elevated
chance of hurting me. Some people bungle jump, I don't. People have different levels risk
tolerance. George Burns lived over 100 smoking cigars and he seemed reasonably happy, but that does
not mean I am going to start smoking.

My attitude towards highly processed food is similar to strangers hanging outside my door late at
night. I tend to be cautious about them.

Acorns were a staple of the Native American diet, but they have to be processed, as well. Water
soaking is needed to leach out the tannins before grinding into flour.

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> > I see your point. I eat lots of apples but they have no

protein.

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> >
> > Regarding being "all natural", so are nightshade mushrooms and

snake

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> > venom and lots of other things that can hurt you.
> >
> > The appeal to "all natural" is the biggest bunch of bunk in the
modern
> > era.
> >
> While I agree with you that the term "all natural" is often a marketing ploy, there are so
> many examples that show that

processed

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> food is bad your you. Example,
>
> 1. Refined flour gets digested too quickly.
> 2. Sugar is bad for your teeth.
> 3. Trans Fats may cause cardiovascular diseases.
>
> Some of these examples are only known recently. So, a prudent strategy would be to be very
> cautious about processed food. It

is all

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> about risk management. I am placing my bets on foods that have

not

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> undergone major industrial processes.
>
> > Sy

OTOH, sometimes foods are improved to varying degrees by some

level

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of processing (and indeed some "foods" are inedible or even toxic

in

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their natural state). If you don't believe me, try eating an olive straight from the tree.

August Pamplona

Point well taken. I will also try not to lick any colorful toad I come across. I will not invest
in junk bonds and I promise not to

run

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any red lights. Also, I won't take any of those high tech fats substitutes either. It is simple
risk management. I don't do things that I believe have an elevated chance of hurting me. Some
people bungle jump, I don't. People have different levels risk tolerance. George Burns lived over
100 smoking cigars and he seemed reasonably happy, but that does not mean I am going to start
smoking.

My attitude towards highly processed food is similar to strangers hanging outside my door late at
night. I tend to be cautious about them.

Acorns were a staple of the Native American diet, but they have to be processed, as well. Water
soaking is needed to leach out the tannins before grinding into flour.

Proton Soup

The same sort of thing is true, believe it or not, of somehing as mundane as maize. Corn meal is
more nutricious when alkali processed. Native Americans knew to treat corn meal in this way.
Others didn't. The result was a deficiency of niacin (known as pellagra) among poor folk who
subsisted mainly on maize.

And, by the way, I agree with the person I was responding to. I was just pointing out that taken
to its logical extreme it doesn't really work either (those who really do take it to that absurd
extreme are raw food cultists).

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August Pamplona said:

The same sort of thing is true, believe it or not, of somehing as mundane as maize. Corn meal
is more nutricious when alkali processed. Native Americans knew to treat corn meal in this way.
Others didn't. The result was a deficiency of niacin (known as pellagra) among poor folk who
subsisted mainly on maize.

Just curious, what is the primitive way to alkali process corn? I knew about pellagra, but didn't
realize there was a way to avoid it other than to limit the amount of corn in the diet.

Proton Soup

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August Pamplona said:

The same sort of thing is true, believe it or not, of somehing as mundane as maize. Corn meal
is more nutricious when alkali processed. Native Americans knew to treat corn meal in this
way. Others didn't. The result was a deficiency of niacin (known as pellagra) among poor folk
who subsisted mainly on maize.

Just curious, what is the primitive way to alkali process corn? I knew about pellagra, but didn't
realize there was a way to avoid it other than to limit the amount of corn in the diet.

Proton Soup

Soak it in ashes + water, iirc.

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> > > Personally I like my fats fully stacked with hydrogen. If

you're

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> > > going to oxidize you might as well do it right.
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> > Hmm, I hope you are joking. It is my understanding that trans

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> > may be a cause for heart diseases.
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> Trans fats aren't fully stacked with hydrogen. That'd be saturated

fat.

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Maybe so, but read the subject of the discussion. It is on trans fats. I will take saturated
fats over trans fats any day.

Which means that you like your fats fully stacked with hydrogen.

Damn, why do people who can't read insist on using newsgroups?

Beats me.

Let's try once more. Saturated fatty acids are fully stacked with hydrogen. Trans fatty acids are
not. Ergo, one who likes his fats fully stacked with hydrogen prefers saturated fat to trans fat.
This is lipid chemistry, not rocket science.

luv acorn pancake but did not know that thing about corn plodzilla

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> > > I see your point. I eat lots of apples but they have no

protein.

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> > >
> > > Regarding being "all natural", so are nightshade mushrooms and

snake

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> > > venom and lots of other things that can hurt you.
> > >
> > > The appeal to "all natural" is the biggest bunch of bunk in the
> modern
> > > era.
> > >
> > While I agree with you that the term "all natural" is often a marketing ploy, there are so
> > many examples that show that

processed

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> > food is bad your you. Example,
> >
> > 1. Refined flour gets digested too quickly.
> > 2. Sugar is bad for your teeth.
> > 3. Trans Fats may cause cardiovascular diseases.
> >
> > Some of these examples are only known recently. So, a prudent strategy would be to be very
> > cautious about processed food. It

is all

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> > about risk management. I am placing my bets on foods that have

not

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> > undergone major industrial processes.
> >
> > > Sy
>
> OTOH, sometimes foods are improved to varying degrees by some

level

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> of processing (and indeed some "foods" are inedible or even toxic

in

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> their natural state). If you don't believe me, try eating an olive straight from the tree.
>
> August Pamplona

Point well taken. I will also try not to lick any colorful toad I come across. I will not
invest in junk bonds and I promise not to

run

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any red lights. Also, I won't take any of those high tech fats substitutes either. It is simple
risk management. I don't do things that I believe have an elevated chance of hurting me. Some
people bungle jump, I don't. People have different levels risk tolerance. George Burns lived
over 100 smoking cigars and he seemed reasonably happy, but that does not mean I am going to
start smoking.

My attitude towards highly processed food is similar to strangers hanging outside my door late
at night. I tend to be cautious about them.

Acorns were a staple of the Native American diet, but they have to be processed, as well. Water
soaking is needed to leach out the tannins before grinding into flour.

Proton Soup

The same sort of thing is true, believe it or not, of somehing as mundane as maize. Corn meal
is more nutricious when alkali processed. Native Americans knew to treat corn meal in this
way. Others didn't. The result was a deficiency of niacin (known as pellagra) among poor folk
who subsisted mainly on maize.

And, by the way, I agree with the person I was responding to. I was just pointing out that
taken to its logical extreme it doesn't really work either (those who really do take it to
that absurd extreme are raw food cultists).

August Pamplona
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