VDB suicide attempt

Kurgan Gringioni said:

Did either one of those guys ever do anything to help anyone other
than themselves?

Pantani, VdB, and Graeme Obree all brought a lot of joy and excitement
to my life. I think that helps.

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"> > Ugh. Bad news. Hope he can exorcise his demons.

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i always had a feeling something like this would happen....he never was
the most stable guy in the world. cycling is a sport that seems to eat
its young.

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Kurgan Gringioni said:

Did either one of those guys ever do anything to help anyone other
than themselves?

Dumbass,

Cycling is entertainment, and both those guys were entertainers.

Yeah, I did like watching VdB ride. Pantani, not so much.
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Kurgan Gringioni said:

I am with you brother!

There are sooooo many more people in this world more deserving of
sympathy than those two characters. For whatever reason, the great
mass of people in the bike racing fanbase don't see it that way.

I hadn't realized that the "bike racing fanbase" (WTF?) was your
guiding light for compassion. Pitiful comes to mind - that's like
sympathy without the compassion.

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Did either one of those guys ever do anything to help anyone other
than themselves?

Right. We could have races stop at Habitat for Humanity sites and the
riders could all jump off and swing some hammers. Or maybe a soup
kitchen where they could volunteer to feed the homeless. If that
works for you, let me know, and I'll write a letter.

R

RicodJour said:

Right. We could have races stop at Habitat for Humanity sites and the
riders could all jump off and swing some hammers. Or maybe a soup
kitchen where they could volunteer to feed the homeless. If that
works for you, let me know, and I'll write a letter.

Why not keep it on rbr topic and have a race against global warming. First
prize is a months supply of andoulette and you get to throw a cream cake
at Kunich's head. Anyone testing positive for EPO or Viagra will be
sentenced to a night of passion with Tammy Thomas.

On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 23:15:26 +0200, "benjo maso" <[email hidden]>

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I don't think it has much to do with cycling. Vdb showed many of the classic
symptoms of a bipolar disorder.

"Vandenbroucke was once was the third-ranked cyclist in the world, but
he has not won a race since 2004 and rides for a second-tier Italian
team.

The team’s director, Palmiro Masciarelli, told The Associated Press
that Vandenbroucke had attempted to slit a vein but ended up only
making “harmless cuts” on his arm. Vandenbroucke, who has a history of
erratic behavior, was despondent because his marriage had collapsed,
Masciarelli said."

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/08/sports/othersports/08cycling.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

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Annelies said:

according to la gazzetta he attempted suicide yesterday....aiaiaiai

Ugh. Bad news. Hope he can exorcise his demons.

You mean by signing on here and seeing what little identity he had remaining
being butchered by people here who couldn't hold his wheel when he was
riding as slow as he could?

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i always had a feeling something like this would happen....he never was
the most stable guy in the world. cycling is a sport that seems to eat
its young.

I don't think it has much to do with cycling. Vdb showed many of the
classic symptoms of a bipolar disorder.

While that's true, cocaine, heroin and methamphetamine mixed together could
make Jesus bipolar.

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"> > Ugh. Bad news. Hope he can exorcise his demons.

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i always had a feeling something like this would happen....he never was
the most stable guy in the world. cycling is a sport that seems to eat
its young.

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most die of heart attacks by age 50. All of us are at risk, for riding as
much as we have. The heart only has so many beats in it.

And the eyes can only take so many of your rediculous postings.

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On Jun 8, 1:04 am, John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]>

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Mental illness is not joke.

That said, I don't have much sympathy for this guy -- he put himself
in a situation where the illness could take hold.

Right. The public is only supposed to show sympathy when they're
actually dead, until then, it does its best to destroy them.

Ilan, I've always found you to be of particular intelligence. I hope you
continue posting here at least as long as I'm reading.

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On Jun 8, 1:04 am, John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]>

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Mental illness is not joke.

That said, I don't have much sympathy for this guy -- he put himself
in a situation where the illness could take hold.

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Right. The public is only supposed to show sympathy when they're
actually dead, until then, it does its best to destroy them.

I frankly wouldn't have much sympathy if he'd died. A little perhaps,
but I've got a little now. Pantani I have almost no sympathy for.

Sorry if that sounds cold, but while I love VdBs style on the bike, I
don't like how selfish the guy has been.

Pot Belg does that to people. And the money crits after the Tour were
invented for pot Belg.

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On Jun 8, 1:04 am, John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]>

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Mental illness is not joke.

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That said, I don't have much sympathy for this guy -- he put himself
in a situation where the illness could take hold.

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Right. The public is only supposed to show sympathy when they're
actually dead, until then, it does its best to destroy them.

Ilan, I've always found you to be of particular intelligence. I hope you
continue posting here at least as long as I'm reading.

Ilan, take one for the team. 😉

R

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I don't think it has much to do with cycling. Vdb showed many of the
classic symptoms of a bipolar disorder.

While that's true, cocaine, heroin and methamphetamine mixed together could
make Jesus bipolar.

You can't know that - you're just guessing.

R

Kurgan Gringioni said:

On Jun 7, 5:12 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]>

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On Jun 8, 1:04 am, John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]>
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> Mental illness is not joke.

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> That said, I don't have much sympathy for this guy -- he put himself
> in a situation where the illness could take hold.

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Right. The public is only supposed to show sympathy when they're
actually dead, until then, it does its best to destroy them.

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I frankly wouldn't have much sympathy if he'd died. A little perhaps,
but I've got a little now. Pantani I have almost no sympathy for.

Dumbass -

I am with you brother!

There are sooooo many more people in this world more deserving of
sympathy than those two characters. For whatever reason, the great
mass of people in the bike racing fanbase don't see it that way.

Did either one of those guys ever do anything to help anyone other
than themselves?

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

It's human nature. When it's a friend, family member, or someone in
something you care about it's a tragedy, when it's someone else it's a
statistic.
I have a ton of sympathy for both of them but I'm fascinated, then
amazed or apalled by what happens to people in a pressure cooker.
Cycling was their lives since they were kids. People grabbed them and
ran with them, put tons of expectations and responsibilities on them,
and they couldn't handle it, but realistically had no chance to do
anything to replace all the things cycling was to them and brought
them.
The most fascinating thing about military history, to me, is how
people dealt with what was going on and what decisions they made. In
the end everything is a "human" story and any person who melts down,
or is in trouble that doesn't purposely damage other people deserves
sympathy IMO.
He may have been better off had he succeeded. Just having a heartbeat
and brain activity doesn't mean you are living. When every day is full
of pain and misery then dieing isn't always a tragedy.
Bill C

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Crescentius Vespasianus (') said:

"> > Ugh. Bad news. Hope he can exorcise his demons.

Quoted message said:

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i always had a feeling something like this would happen....he never was
the most stable guy in the world. cycling is a sport that seems to eat
its young.

---------
most die of heart attacks by age 50. All of us are at risk, for riding
as
much as we have. The heart only has so many beats in it.

Rubbish. Cyclists live on average 6 years longer than non-cyclists,
according to the BMA.

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Tomlinson (') said:

Mental illness is not joke.

That said, I don't have much sympathy for this guy -- he put himself
in a situation where the illness could take hold.

Can you suggest for us a situation in which depression is unlikely to take
hold?

If you're having money thrown at you, are subject to public adjulation, have
girls swarming you and - oh wait - VDB had all those things and still got
sick.

OBVIOUSLY it's all his fault.

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in message <[email hidden]>, John Forrest

Tomlinson (') said:

Mental illness is not joke.

That said, I don't have much sympathy for this guy -- he put himself
in a situation where the illness could take hold.

Can you suggest for us a situation in which depression is unlikely to take
hold?

When you don't dump a long-time girlfriend and then [censored] your
wife, and jump from team to team along the way, doing drugs.

That kind of situation.

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Crescentius Vespasianus (') said:

"> > Ugh. Bad news. Hope he can exorcise his demons.

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>

i always had a feeling something like this would happen....he never was
the most stable guy in the world. cycling is a sport that seems to eat
its young.

---------
most die of heart attacks by age 50. All of us are at risk, for riding
as
much as we have. The heart only has so many beats in it.

Rubbish. Cyclists live on average 6 years longer than non-cyclists,
according to the BMA.

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;; education and catastrophe.
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I was sure that I'd read somewhere that the average age at death for a
top competative cyclist was 56 or 58 years.

I tried searching but came up with nothing to substantiate it, but
there are some quite interesting statistics etc. here:

http://www.kenkifer.com/bikepages/health/pedal_h.htm

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On 6/9/07 9:41 AM, in article [email hidden],

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

Simon Brooke said:

in message <[email hidden]>, John Forrest

Tomlinson (') said:

Mental illness is not joke.

That said, I don't have much sympathy for this guy -- he put himself
in a situation where the illness could take hold.

Can you suggest for us a situation in which depression is unlikely to take
hold?

When you don't dump a long-time girlfriend and then [censored] your
wife, and jump from team to team along the way, doing drugs.

That kind of situation.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm with Kunich and the others on this
one.

Speaking from personal experience, depression is a disease ... And while
it's not an excuse for bad behavior, it is often the cause of it.

VDB most likely isn't depressed as a result of dumping his long-time
girlfriend, jumping from team to team, and doing drugs ... He most likely
did all those things BECAUSE he was suffering from depression.

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On 6/9/07 9:41 AM, in article [email hidden],

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

Simon Brooke said:

in message <[email hidden]>, John Forrest
Tomlinson ([email hidden]'😉 wrote:

> Mental illness is not joke.
>
> That said, I don't have much sympathy for this guy -- he put himself
> in a situation where the illness could take hold.

Can you suggest for us a situation in which depression is unlikely to
take hold?

When you don't dump a long-time girlfriend and then [censored] your
wife, and jump from team to team along the way, doing drugs.

That kind of situation.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm with Kunich and the others on
this one.

Speaking from personal experience, depression is a disease ... And while
it's not an excuse for bad behavior, it is often the cause of it.

VDB most likely isn't depressed as a result of dumping his long-time
girlfriend, jumping from team to team, and doing drugs ... He most likely
did all those things BECAUSE he was suffering from depression.

Uh-huh. If you're lucky enough not to have been there, don't be too quick
to judge those who have.

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