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  1. kilikini said:

    I don't know if I'd use bell peppers in lasagna, but maybe that's just me.
    I find that bell peppers tend to overpower the delicate flavors of a sauce.
    Roasted red peppers I could see instead of green bells. What does anyone
    else think?


    I agree that bell peppers would ruin lasagna for me. Roasted reds might
    be included in the sauce but that would be it.

    While Sheldon's lasagna looked wonderful, it just included more meat
    than I like in lasagna. I like to bite pieces of meatball or sausage on
    the occasional bite but not have so much that they predominate the
    flavor and I miss the lovely cheese or sauces.

  2. bworthey said:

    Okay, may seem like a silly question, but here goes, basically I'm taking my
    lasagna recipe and cooking it for 80 people. Now, I know what all and what
    amounts go into cooking ONE pan, but of course I don't want to cook/prepare
    things ONE pan at a time. So, here's my question....if I brown all the meat
    that I would be using for say 10 pans of lasagna, how do I know how much
    goes in each pan? I usually put ~1.5lbs of meat to each pan. So if I've
    just cooked 15 lbs of meat, how do I then know how much goes in each? This
    may be dumb too, 1.5lb raw is not goign to be the same cooked, I would
    think, so I couldn't just way it, so any help???

    B-Worthey


    Here is a link http://tinyurl.com/27fql3 to a basic, well-tried recipe
    for 100 servings of lasagna. You might get some idea of proportions from
    this. This comes from the Armed Forces Recipe Service.

  3. kilikini said:
    Sheldon said:

    On Jun 26, 11:44?pm, "Paco's Tacos" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    Eyeballing is the best way. I hardly measure anything... when I make
    lasagna the only thing I measure is the noodles, and not really
    measure, I just always use three 1 lb boxes as a benchmark for the
    other ingredients to fill my large Farberware pan (17" X 13"😉. I
    usually use a 50-50 mixture of ground beef with bulk pork sausage,
    usually just whatever amount I have on hand (but is always quite
    generous, like a pound and a half to each pound of noodles), then lots
    of riccotta and mozz, and parm... and whatever amount of sauce I deem
    necessary. I stop filling the pan just at the point I feel is safe so
    it doesn't run over.

    Quoted message said:

    Still uncooked.... believe it or not it didn't run over...

    Quoted message said:

    http://i15.tinypic.com/4mi553s.jpg
    http://i15.tinypic.com/52yzc3p.jpg

    Quoted message said:

    Sheldon

    Wow, that looks like a run-over disaster! I'm surprised it didn't. You
    must have really drained out your cheese or used a thick, chunky sauce -
    ahem.

    Those Farberware pans have a higher rim than how it looks in the
    picture. I know from experience that if I fill just to where the rim
    begins it won't boil over. I don't do anything special to the cheese,
    I use it straight from the container, I cook the the sauce to just an
    average thickness, but I do drain most of the fat from browning the
    meat. A little secret to keep lasagna (or any baked pasta dish) from
    running over is to cook the pasta only about half way, it will absorb
    the extra liquid. It's also much easier to handle very al dente
    lasagna noodles. My lasagna comes out moist but firm, it's easy to
    slice into square portions... I detest runny falling apart lasagna...
    if you need to serve it with a spoon it is NOT lasagna. Then it's
    SLopPy WoPPy! <G>

    Ahahahahahahahaha. . . .

    Sheldon

  4. kilikini said:

    I don't know if I'd use bell peppers in lasagna, but maybe that's just me.
    I find that bell peppers tend to overpower the delicate flavors of a sauce.
    Roasted red peppers I could see instead of green bells. What does anyone
    else think?


    I'm fairly sacrilegious when it comes to tomato sauce. I use a can of
    stewed tomatoes (Italian style). I add extra garlic, onion and
    oregano.... but it has a little extra oomph, to me. I like it and I
    think that little touch of green pepper may be what I like.

    --
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  5. "kilikini" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I don't know if I'd use bell peppers in lasagna, but maybe that's just me.
    I find that bell peppers tend to overpower the delicate flavors of a
    sauce.
    Roasted red peppers I could see instead of green bells. What does anyone
    else think?

    I always put red, orange and/or yellow bells in my sauce. I don't roast
    them. I just chop them up and then use an immersion blender.

  6. "Goomba38" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Julie Bove said:

    That would be 3 oz. per person. Perhaps a lot, especially since there
    will also be cheese in there adding to the protein. I generally don't
    add meat to lasagna but if I were going to add it, I'd add a little bit
    to the sauce.

    I personally dislike "meat sauces" and when I add meat to lasagna I follow
    my grandmother's example and make very tiny meatballs (ground
    beef,parsley, garlic, parm.cheese, spices/herbs, browned) and scatter them
    across the cheese layer as I go. Not a lot of meat by any stretch. Or
    perhaps I'll use sliced, cooked sweet and hot Italian sausage. Again not
    much as it is a rich enough dish that I don't want the meat to predominate
    the flavors.

    Agreed. I'm not much of a meat lover anyway. And sadly due to my dairy
    allergy, no more lasagna for me!

  7. "Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    bworthey said:
    Julie Bove said:

    You could start by cooking 1.5 lb. of meat then weighing or measuring
    it
    to see how much it is after cooking it. Since I'm sure you can't
    possibly
    cook all that meat up at once.

    Wtf not... pots are available in all sizes, and no law says you can't
    brown meat in as many pans at the same time as you have burners.

    I suppose so if you have that many pans. But I don't. Then again, I
    wouldn't have enough pans to cook that much lasagna either.

    Quoted message said:


    <snip>

  8. Goomba38 said:
    Vilco said:

    Try dressing lasagne with just bechamel, bolognese ragout and grated
    parmigiano. Heaven.

    Have you a nice bolognese recipe to share? 🙂 I anxiously await your
    reply as I do need to do a nice family dinner tonight and I suspect that
    would make the kidlets very happy....

    Vilco will surely have a good recipe. Meanwhile, here is what I posted
    a while ago about lasagne bolognesi:

    I have to say that it is a rather involved recipe if you want to make
    everything from scratch... Here is a recipe from _Cucina Italiana_,
    compiled by the Accademia Italiana della Cucina.

    Victor

    Lasagne bolognesi

    for the pasta:
    2 eggs
    250 g (2 1/4 cups) all-purpose flour

    for the besciamella sauce:
    60 g (1/4 cup) butter
    4 tablespoons all-purpose flour
    1 teaspoon salt
    1 l (4 cups) milk

    for the meat sauce:
    300 g (10 oz) ragù (see below)
    50 g (2 oz) dried mushrooms soaked in warm water
    1 clove garlic
    1 cup milk
    2 tablespoons chopped parsley
    2 tablespoons butter
    100 g (1/2 cup) Parmesan cheese, grated
    40 g (1/4 cup) butter

    Prepare the pasta:
    Stir the flour into a mound and break the eggs into the centre. Add a
    pinch of salt and mix the ingredients together slowly with a fork or
    your fingertips. Knead well for about 10 minutes until the dough is
    smooth and elastic (you should see air bubbles when you cut the dough).
    Leave to stand for 1/4 hour wrapped in a floured cloth. Roll out into a
    fairly thin sheet, working from the centre outward, making sure that the
    pasta is of even thickness. Leave to dry for up to 1/2 hour. Roll up
    the sheet of pasta and cut out the lasagne with a sharp knife.

    Make the salsa besciamella:
    Cut the butter into small pieces and melt in a heavy saucepan. Stir in
    the flour with a wooden spoon, add the salt and mix over medium heat
    until smooth. Gradually add the milk, stirring constantly until the
    sauce has thickened.

    Make the ragù alla bolognese:
    50 g (2 oz) pancetta
    1 medium onion
    1 small carrot
    1 stick celery
    50 g (1/4 cup) butter
    200 g (3/4 cups) ground mixed meats (pork, veal, beef)
    1/2 cup dry red wine
    2 tablespoons tomato sauce (see below)
    1 teaspoon meat extract
    salt
    freshly ground pepper
    1 cup milk

    Chop the pancetta very finely with the onion, carrot and celery. Melt
    the butter in a heavy saucepan; when it is bubbling, add the chopped
    vegetables and the ground meats. Brown for a few minutes, turn up the
    heat and pour in the red wine. When this has completely evaporated, add
    the tomato sauce, diluted in a little hot water, and the dissolved meat
    extract. Season with salt and pepper as required. Cover and leave to
    simmer over low heat for 30-40 minutes until the sauce is quite thick.
    Pour in the milk, stir well, cover and simmer over very low heat until
    the milk is absorbed.

    To make the tomato sauce:
    300 g (2 cups) ripe of canned plum tomatoes, chopped
    1 small carrot
    1 small onion
    1 stick celery
    2 basil leaves (optional)
    1/2 clove garlic
    1 1/8 cups olive oil
    salt
    freshly ground pepper

    Choose ripe, plump and juicy summer tomatoes for this sauce. Rinse
    thoroughly, chop, salt lightly and leave to sweat in a colander placed
    over a bowl. Sauté the chopped vegetables, basil and garlic in a heavy
    skillet in a few tablespoons of oil. Add the tomatoes immediately,
    bring to a boil and cook over moderate heat for about 1/2 hour. When
    the tomatoes are no longer watery, strain in a vegetable mill or blend
    in a food processor. If the sauce is too thin, reduce by cooking
    briefly over high heat. Check the seasoning and add some more oil and a
    little sugar if desired. Pour into a sauceboat when hot.

    Now prepare the lasagne:
    Drain the soaked mushrooms, squeeze out excess moisture and slice. Peel
    1 clove garlic and leave whole. Fry in a small skillet. When it has
    browned, discard and add the mushrooms, salt, milk and parsley. Cook
    slowly for approximately 1/4 hour. Butter a round pan about 20 cm/8 in
    in diameter. Arrange a layer of pasta over the base followed by a layer
    of white sauce and one of meat sauce, replacing the meat sauce with the
    mushrooms on 2 or 3 layers (this permits the flavour of mushrooms to be
    appreciated). Sprinkle with grated Parmesan. Repeat until all the
    ingredients have been used up. Finish with a layer of pasta, a few
    tablespoons of meat sauce, a few pieces of butter and a sprinkling of
    Parmesan. Cook in a hot oven (about 180°C/350°F) for approximately 1
    hour until the top is slightly crispy.

  9. [email hidden] (Victor Sack) wrote in news:1i0e50m.1uk6be33q2mf3N%
    [email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Victor

    Lasagne bolognesi

    for the pasta:
    2 eggs
    250 g (2 1/4 cups) all-purpose flour

    Victor, Victor, Victor. I thought just last year you were of the mind of
    1 egg to every 100 grams of flour for the making of pasta was the way to
    go. Have you had a change of heart?

    Is this recipe valid or is it 1/2 a egg short or 50 grams too heavy in
    the flour department?

    --

    The house of the burning beet-Alan

    It'll be a sunny day in August, when the Moon will shine that night-
    Elbonian Folklore

  10. (Victor Sack) said:
    Goomba38 said:

    Vilco wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Try dressing lasagne with just bechamel, bolognese ragout and grated
    parmigiano. Heaven.

    Quoted message said:

    Have you a nice bolognese recipe to share? 🙂 I anxiously await your
    reply as I do need to do a nice family dinner tonight and I suspect that
    would make the kidlets very happy....

    Vilco will surely have a good recipe. Meanwhile, here is what I posted
    a while ago about lasagne bolognesi:

    I have to say that it is a rather involved recipe if you want to make
    everything from scratch... Here is a recipe from _Cucina Italiana_,
    compiled by the Accademia Italiana della Cucina.

    Victor

    Lasagne bolognesi

    for the pasta:
    2 eggs
    250 g (2 1/4 cups) all-purpose flour

    for the besciamella sauce:
    60 g (1/4 cup) butter
    4 tablespoons all-purpose flour
    1 teaspoon salt
    1 l (4 cups) milk

    for the meat sauce:
    300 g (10 oz) ragù (see below)
    50 g (2 oz) dried mushrooms soaked in warm water
    1 clove garlic
    1 cup milk
    2 tablespoons chopped parsley
    2 tablespoons butter
    100 g (1/2 cup) Parmesan cheese, grated
    40 g (1/4 cup) butter

    Prepare the pasta:
    Stir the flour into a mound and break the eggs into the centre. Add a
    pinch of salt and mix the ingredients together slowly with a fork or
    your fingertips. Knead well for about 10 minutes until the dough is
    smooth and elastic (you should see air bubbles when you cut the dough).
    Leave to stand for 1/4 hour wrapped in a floured cloth. Roll out into a
    fairly thin sheet, working from the centre outward, making sure that the
    pasta is of even thickness. Leave to dry for up to 1/2 hour. Roll up
    the sheet of pasta and cut out the lasagne with a sharp knife.

    Make the salsa besciamella:
    Cut the butter into small pieces and melt in a heavy saucepan. Stir in
    the flour with a wooden spoon, add the salt and mix over medium heat
    until smooth. Gradually add the milk, stirring constantly until the
    sauce has thickened.

    Make the ragù alla bolognese:
    50 g (2 oz) pancetta
    1 medium onion
    1 small carrot
    1 stick celery
    50 g (1/4 cup) butter
    200 g (3/4 cups) ground mixed meats (pork, veal, beef)
    1/2 cup dry red wine
    2 tablespoons tomato sauce (see below)
    1 teaspoon meat extract
    salt
    freshly ground pepper
    1 cup milk

    Chop the pancetta very finely with the onion, carrot and celery. Melt
    the butter in a heavy saucepan; when it is bubbling, add the chopped
    vegetables and the ground meats. Brown for a few minutes, turn up the
    heat and pour in the red wine. When this has completely evaporated, add
    the tomato sauce, diluted in a little hot water, and the dissolved meat
    extract. Season with salt and pepper as required. Cover and leave to
    simmer over low heat for 30-40 minutes until the sauce is quite thick.
    Pour in the milk, stir well, cover and simmer over very low heat until
    the milk is absorbed.

    To make the tomato sauce:
    300 g (2 cups) ripe of canned plum tomatoes, chopped
    1 small carrot
    1 small onion
    1 stick celery
    2 basil leaves (optional)
    1/2 clove garlic
    1 1/8 cups olive oil
    salt
    freshly ground pepper

    Choose ripe, plump and juicy summer tomatoes for this sauce. Rinse
    thoroughly, chop, salt lightly and leave to sweat in a colander placed
    over a bowl. Sauté the chopped vegetables, basil and garlic in a heavy
    skillet in a few tablespoons of oil. Add the tomatoes immediately,
    bring to a boil and cook over moderate heat for about 1/2 hour. When
    the tomatoes are no longer watery, strain in a vegetable mill or blend
    in a food processor. If the sauce is too thin, reduce by cooking
    briefly over high heat. Check the seasoning and add some more oil and a
    little sugar if desired. Pour into a sauceboat when hot.

    Now prepare the lasagne:
    Drain the soaked mushrooms, squeeze out excess moisture and slice. Peel
    1 clove garlic and leave whole. Fry in a small skillet. When it has
    browned, discard and add the mushrooms, salt, milk and parsley. Cook
    slowly for approximately 1/4 hour. Butter a round pan about 20 cm/8 in
    in diameter. Arrange a layer of pasta over the base followed by a layer
    of white sauce and one of meat sauce, replacing the meat sauce with the
    mushrooms on 2 or 3 layers (this permits the flavour of mushrooms to be
    appreciated). Sprinkle with grated Parmesan. Repeat until all the
    ingredients have been used up. Finish with a layer of pasta, a few
    tablespoons of meat sauce, a few pieces of butter and a sprinkling of
    Parmesan. Cook in a hot oven (about 180°C/350°F) for approximately 1
    hour until the top is slightly crispy.

    HEY, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO POST RECIPES THAT ARE THAT GOOD IN THIS
    NG! You will make the onion soup packet folks feel badly.

    Seriously though, that's about the nicest recipe I've ever seen here,
    and amazingly, it's technically a casserole.

    I do have one question though. You call for "300 g (2 cups) ripe of
    canned plum tomatoes, chopped," then you say, "Choose ripe, plump and
    juicy summer tomatoes for this sauce." Which is it? preferably fresh,
    but if you can't get them, then canned?
    For canned tomatoes, I like these:
    hirzel.comproducts DF.asp

    --Bryan

  11. hahabogus said:

    [email hidden] (Victor Sack) wrote in news:1i0e50m.1uk6be33q2mf3N%
    [email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Victor

    Lasagne bolognesi

    for the pasta:
    2 eggs
    250 g (2 1/4 cups) all-purpose flour

    Victor, Victor, Victor. I thought just last year you were of the mind of
    1 egg to every 100 grams of flour for the making of pasta was the way to
    go. Have you had a change of heart?

    Is this recipe valid or is it 1/2 a egg short or 50 grams too heavy in
    the flour department?

    It is true that most of use 100 g of flour per large egg, but then we
    use some additional flour while kneading and rolling, which may well add
    up to 50 grams. There's no finite amount ever, anyway, because the
    flour has more moisture on humid days and less on dry days, eggs are
    wetter or not. You have to work it until the texture is right. To me
    when it is right for thinning it down it feels like damp skin. It will
    still need surface flour to prevent it sticking one sheet to the other,
    but not worked into the pasta.

    --
    Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

  12. BOBOBOnoBO® said:
    (Victor Sack) said:
    Goomba38 said:

    Vilco wrote:
    > Try dressing lasagne with just bechamel, bolognese ragout and grated
    > parmigiano. Heaven.
    Have you a nice bolognese recipe to share? 🙂 I anxiously await your
    reply as I do need to do a nice family dinner tonight and I suspect that
    would make the kidlets very happy....


    Vilco will surely have a good recipe. Meanwhile, here is what I posted
    a while ago about lasagne bolognesi:

    I have to say that it is a rather involved recipe if you want to make
    everything from scratch... Here is a recipe from _Cucina Italiana_,
    compiled by the Accademia Italiana della Cucina.

    Victor


    Cook in a hot oven (about 180°C/350°F) for approximately 1

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    hour until the top is slightly crispy.

    HEY, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO POST RECIPES THAT ARE THAT GOOD IN THIS
    NG! You will make the onion soup packet folks feel badly.

    Seriously though, that's about the nicest recipe I've ever seen here,
    and amazingly, it's technically a casserole.

    I do have one question though. You call for "300 g (2 cups) ripe of
    canned plum tomatoes, chopped," then you say, "Choose ripe, plump and
    juicy summer tomatoes for this sauce." Which is it? preferably fresh,
    but if you can't get them, then canned?
    For canned tomatoes, I like these:
    hirzel.comproducts DF.asp

    --Bryan


    I am not victor, obviously, but tomatoes in winter aren't a lot better
    here than there and good canned ones would be preferable out of season.

    There is a lamentable tendency lately to can tomatoes in puree which
    throws recipes off in lots of ways, not the least that they are a good
    bit less salty.

    This is a lasagna from Emilia Romagna, and not like one from another
    region, where we don't use the butter and usually don't use meat or meat
    sauce. Locally the aim is for the thinnest possible pasta and very
    light tomato sauce, the aim being as airy a product as possible.

    --
    Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

  13. Victor Sack said:

    Vilco will surely have a good recipe. Meanwhile, here is what I
    posted a while ago about lasagne bolognesi:
    I have to say that it is a rather involved recipe if you want to make
    everything from scratch... Here is a recipe from _Cucina Italiana_,
    compiled by the Accademia Italiana della Cucina.

    And that's almost identical to the recipe I was going to post.
    Yesterday I didn't make it home until late, very late, so... thank you,
    Victor, very much.
    --
    Vilco
    Think pink, drink rose'

  14. Victor Sack said:

    Vilco will surely have a good recipe. Meanwhile, here is what I posted
    a while ago about lasagne bolognesi:

    I have to say that it is a rather involved recipe if you want to make
    everything from scratch... Here is a recipe from _Cucina Italiana_,
    compiled by the Accademia Italiana della Cucina.

    Victor

    Hmmmmm.. interesting. I think while I might not recreate it exactly per
    the recipe, there are some elements I will certainly try.
    Thank you for sharing this.

  15. "Whirled Peas" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:bnwgi.27205

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:



    Here is a link http://tinyurl.com/27fql3 to a basic, well-tried recipe for
    100 servings of lasagna. You might get some idea of proportions from this.
    This comes from the Armed Forces Recipe Service.

    What size pan are they doing that in though? I have some at my church that
    appear to be around a 18x12, they are not quite 2 9X13 pans, so it might be
    an 11X17, not sure. Any idea?

    B-Worthey

  16. BOBOBOnoBO® said:

    I do have one question though. You call for "300 g (2 cups) ripe of
    canned plum tomatoes, chopped,"

    "Of" is a typo... should be "or".

    Quoted message said:

    then you say, "Choose ripe, plump and
    juicy summer tomatoes for this sauce." Which is it? preferably fresh,
    but if you can't get them, then canned?

    Yes, exactly. That said, good canned tomatoes are not really inferior,
    just different, rarely substitutable for fresh ones and vice versa. San
    Marzano ones are universally regarded as superior, but I find that the
    local widely marketed Sonnen-Bassermann brand is nearly as good at a
    third of the price. When the weather is hot, I like to eat refrigerated
    canned tomatoes right out of the can - such juicy, cool goodness...
    Can't really do that with fresh tomatoes.

    Victor

  17. hahabogus said:
    (Victor Sack) said:

    Lasagne bolognesi

    for the pasta:
    2 eggs
    250 g (2 1/4 cups) all-purpose flour

    Victor, Victor, Victor. I thought just last year you were of the mind of
    1 egg to every 100 grams of flour for the making of pasta was the way to
    go. Have you had a change of heart?

    When and where did I write that? If I remember correctly, the only
    pasta recipes I ever posted was the above one, one for bigoli in salsa,
    and recipes for pelmeni and other dumplings.

    Quoted message said:

    Is this recipe valid or is it 1/2 a egg short or 50 grams too heavy in
    the flour department?

    It most certainly is valid. There are even recipes for homemade pasta
    with no eggs at all.

    Victor

  18. Victor Sack said:
    BOBOBOnoBO® said:

    I do have one question though. You call for "300 g (2 cups) ripe of
    canned plum tomatoes, chopped,"

    "Of" is a typo... should be "or".

    Quoted message said:

    then you say, "Choose ripe, plump and
    juicy summer tomatoes for this sauce." Which is it? preferably fresh,
    but if you can't get them, then canned?

    Yes, exactly. That said, good canned tomatoes are not really inferior,
    just different, rarely substitutable for fresh ones and vice versa. San

    Since they're already skinned, they're a heck of a lot easier
    to deal with.

    Quoted message said:

    Marzano ones are universally regarded as superior, but I find that the
    local widely marketed Sonnen-Bassermann brand is nearly as good at a
    third of the price. When the weather is hot, I like to eat refrigerated
    canned tomatoes right out of the can - such juicy, cool goodness...
    Can't really do that with fresh tomatoes.

    Sure you can. I often end up eating half of any tomato
    I'm slicing.

    --Blair

  19. Giusi said:
    BOBOBOnoBO® said:
    (Victor Sack) said:

    Goomba38 <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > Vilco wrote:
    > > Try dressing lasagne with just bechamel, bolognese ragout and
    > > grated parmigiano. Heaven.
    > Have you a nice bolognese recipe to share? 🙂 I anxiously await
    > your reply as I do need to do a nice family dinner tonight and
    > I suspect that would make the kidlets very happy....
    Vilco will surely have a good recipe. Meanwhile, here is what I
    posted a while ago about lasagne bolognesi:

    I have to say that it is a rather involved recipe if you want to
    make everything from scratch... Here is a recipe from _Cucina
    Italiana_, compiled by the Accademia Italiana della Cucina.

    Victor


    Cook in a hot oven (about 180°C/350°F) for approximately 1

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    hour until the top is slightly crispy.

    HEY, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO POST RECIPES THAT ARE THAT GOOD IN THIS
    NG! You will make the onion soup packet folks feel badly.

    Seriously though, that's about the nicest recipe I've ever seen
    here, and amazingly, it's technically a casserole.

    I do have one question though. You call for "300 g (2 cups) ripe of
    canned plum tomatoes, chopped," then you say, "Choose ripe, plump
    and juicy summer tomatoes for this sauce." Which is it? preferably
    fresh, but if you can't get them, then canned?
    For canned tomatoes, I like these:
    hirzel.comproducts DF.asp

    --Bryan


    I am not victor, obviously, but tomatoes in winter aren't a lot
    better here than there and good canned ones would be preferable out
    of season.

    Agreed. The ones here now are heaven. I can't get enough...

    I had a pizza Caprese in sorrento last week and I'm still thinking
    about the tomatoes on it.

    --
    -Gina in Italy

    Favorite phrase of the day: Messiah-envy

  20. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Blair P. Houghton said:

    Victor Sack <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Marzano ones are universally regarded as superior, but I find that the
    local widely marketed Sonnen-Bassermann brand is nearly as good at a
    third of the price. When the weather is hot, I like to eat refrigerated
    canned tomatoes right out of the can - such juicy, cool goodness...
    Can't really do that with fresh tomatoes.

    Sure you can. I often end up eating half of any tomato
    I'm slicing.

    Both my daughter and I eat whole tomatoes as a snack. Nothing she likes
    better than going out to the garden, pick a few tomatoes, wash them, cut
    off the stem end, and eat whole, tomato in one hand and salt shaker in
    the other. Sometimes this is over the sink, sometimes over a plate and
    sometimes just outside with the excess juice dripping on the grass.

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