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Paul Murphy said:

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On my Dutch bike it is perfectly accessible, all you need to do is cut
it from the side, no need to get at the bit that goes through the wheel,
it will simply drop out.

This wouldn't be easy using bolt cutters with my SL7 on the Twist as the
body of the lock is right beside the frame all the way up the sides except
for at the top and there it's inaccessible due to other bits around it
such
as the rack and battery. Although it could be done carefully with some
sort
of angle grinder, that would take time unless a person was reckless with
regard to damaging the frame as well - and then it wouldn't be saleable. I
found some reviews here and it appears I'm not the only one who thinks
they're a very good idea:
http://www.fisheroutdoor.co.uk/public/index.php/product/locks/otherlocks/LKSL7.html

That looks the same construction as the one on my bike (mine is an AXA
SL9). On my bike the sides of the lock protrude far beyond the seat
stays, thus it should be easy to cut with a bolt cutter (although I've
no experience or knowledge of the actual practicality of such).

Yes the SL9 is just the same as the SL7 but with electronic tagging (as in a
chip which can be scanned with a device for IDing purposes rather than
location finding through GPS). Your findings tell me the correct frame lock
must be chosen to match the frame shape. There are a number of different
sizes/designs available to choose from.

Paul Murphy said:

Your findings tell me the correct frame lock
must be chosen to match the frame shape.

I find it hard to believe that your lock protrudes less beyond the seat
stays than the one on my bike.

Regardless, there is little danger of damaging the seat stays as cutting
the lock with a bolt cutter is easiest done with the bolt cutter placed
at an angle not far from 90 degrees relative to the lock's base plate.
This means that the lock's base plate acts as a shield preventing the
seat stays from being damaged.

--
Membrane

Rob said:

David Martin said:

SO a lock buys you time from opportunist theives. Trick must be to
have an undesirable bike.

That's the approach I've taken, it's worked for me so far - to be more
precise, I think the trick is to have a bike that rides better than
its appearance would suggest.

During a recent trip in Europe[0], I noticed that pretty much all the
bikes had built-in back wheel locks - basically just a thin rod, pivoted
on one seatstay, that could be turned to go through the wheel to the
other seatstay. In most cases that was the only lock anyone used, even
in big towns.

It helps, I suspect, if every place you go has a _lot_ of bikes outside
it...

R

[0] I do know, I just don't care.

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During a recent trip in Europe[0]

[0] I do know, I just don't care.

Belgium? :-)

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Ride a fixie.

I've had fun twice shouting OI! to lags who tried to nick it. Both
times I ran after them and shouted, first one turned around and
stopped pedalling (sp?). I walked over and got my bike back. Second
one sprinted off then tried coasting round a corner. I walked over
and got my bike back.

I like Pat Hurt's method of preventing minipikeys from making off with his
fixer (a rather nice Ti Airborne with carbon forks). Titchy padlock around
chainring - would be tea-leaf will get approximately three feet before the
transmission locks up and minipikey falls on its nose.

--
Dave Larrington
<http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk>
Bandersnatch? I would never have guessed.

Roger Burton West said:

Rob said:

David Martin said:

SO a lock buys you time from opportunist theives. Trick must be to
have an undesirable bike.

That's the approach I've taken, it's worked for me so far - to be more
precise, I think the trick is to have a bike that rides better than
its appearance would suggest.

Quoted message said:

During a recent trip in Europe[0], I noticed that pretty much all the
bikes had built-in back wheel locks - basically just a thin rod, pivoted
on one seatstay, that could be turned to go through the wheel to the
other seatstay. In most cases that was the only lock anyone used, even
in big towns.

I tried one of those. On the second day of using it my bike was carted
off from one of its customary parks in a busy street by a thief who
abandoned it about a twenty yards round a corner. Since that has never
happened with my big U lock when not fastened to anything else I
assume the problem was that the thief didn't notice the lock at first
and carried on carrying or dragging it off so as not to look
suspicious. Lucky I found it.

I think visibility of the lock is important, part of which is
familiarity. I used to have problems with thieves trying to smash the
steering lock on my motorcycle until I put a notice on the tank saying
not to bother smashing the steering lock if they couldn't also get
past the other lock.

--
Chris Malcolm [email hidden] DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

Helen Deborah Vecht said:

Nick <[email hidden]>typed

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The major question this programme raised for me was: if the police know
that stolen bikes are sold at brick lane why don't they go and check the
bikes being sold there to see if they are stolen.

I suspect the market might be paying backhanders to prevent investigation...

Yep, in the absence of any reliable kind of checks or audit on our
police it is impossible to tell if it is corruption, incompetence or
just not a priority.

Chris Malcolm said:

Roger Burton West said:

Rob said:

On 30 Jul, 15:47, David Martin <[email hidden]> wrote:
> SO a lock buys you time from opportunist theives. Trick must be to
> have an undesirable bike.
That's the approach I've taken, it's worked for me so far - to be more
precise, I think the trick is to have a bike that rides better than
its appearance would suggest.

During a recent trip in Europe[0], I noticed that pretty much all the
bikes had built-in back wheel locks - basically just a thin rod, pivoted
on one seatstay, that could be turned to go through the wheel to the
other seatstay. In most cases that was the only lock anyone used, even
in big towns.

I tried one of those. On the second day of using it my bike was carted
off from one of its customary parks in a busy street by a thief who
abandoned it about a twenty yards round a corner. Since that has never
happened with my big U lock when not fastened to anything else I
assume the problem was that the thief didn't notice the lock at first
and carried on carrying or dragging it off so as not to look
suspicious. Lucky I found it.

I think visibility of the lock is important, part of which is
familiarity. I used to have problems with thieves trying to smash the
steering lock on my motorcycle until I put a notice on the tank saying
not to bother smashing the steering lock if they couldn't also get
past the other lock.

Must be nice to get literate thieves. 🙂

John Kane, Kingston ON Canada

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On Jul 31, 6:34 am, Chris Malcolm <[email hidden]> wrote:

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I think visibility of the lock is important, part of which is
familiarity. I used to have problems with thieves trying to smash the
steering lock on my motorcycle until I put a notice on the tank
saying not to bother smashing the steering lock if they couldn't
also get past the other lock.

Must be nice to get literate thieves. 🙂

There is a tale, perhaps apocryphal, of someone who left a note on the
dashboard of their car, saying "Nothing of value left in this car
overnight". The next morning the owner was greetd by the sight of a borken
window and a second note, which read "Just checking".

--
Dave Larrington
<http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk>
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from
a yo-yo" - Enoch Root.

"permajeo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Ride a fixie.

I've had fun twice shouting OI! to lags who tried to nick it. Both
times I ran after them and shouted, first one turned around and stopped
pedalling (sp?). I walked over and got my bike back. Second one sprinted
off then tried coasting round a corner. I walked over and got my bike
back.

Too funny ;-)

Next thing you know, a bike owner is going to get sued by some scrote
nefarious enough to try and nick a fixie, and stupid enough to injure / maim
himself. The way things are going, he / she will succeed, too :-(