Oh pshaw, on Thu 06 Dec 2007 05:13:14p, jmcquown meant to say...
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Oh pshaw, on Thu 06 Dec 2007 03:01:11p, Sqwertz meant to say...
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On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 07:32:40 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> Oh pshaw, on Thu 06 Dec 2007 12:26:18a, Sqwertz meant to say... > >> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 05:04:15 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote: >> >>> Come to think of it, the last place I ate at was this very >>> restaurant back in 2000 when David and I were on our Drive to >>> Phoenix in our move out here. >> >> You haven't eaten for over 7 years? > > I would certainly be much thinner if that were true. No, it was > the last time I ate at that particular restaurant. <but you knew > that>
Not really. The way you worded it left a few avenues of speculation open.
Just trying to get in as many wiseass remarks to tide you over for that week you'll be offline :-)
-sw
Oh, well, one can surmise anything. Obviously, I omitted "When I was in Memphis". No one else seemed to have a comprehension problem.
Except technically, the restaurant is in Germantown 😉
Well, yes, so is my cousin's house, but I staying in Memphis.
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.. My #1 Bud has a non-stop 24-hour voice (except during sleep which
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takes alcohol to accomplish) in his head from a long meth binge. The only way he can shut it off is by talking. When we speak, I can hardly get a word in edgewise. Began 1991. Refuses medical help.
Has he tried listening to a walkman with ear plugs? Some people with that problem find it helps to either drown out the voice, or even shut it up.
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There's always room for fraud. Those mobile terminals are wireless terminals. As it currently stands, a suitably equipped PC can crack WEP passwords fairly easily. I wouldn't imagine WPA is far behind.
And knowing device manufacturers like I know device manufacturers, they took the cheap way out as far as encrypting the wireless connection.
The devices (and software) themselves encrypt the data, much like a secure internet website. They may or may not use wireless encryption on top of that.
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Sort of like the credit card terminals at Stop & Shop's in southern New England. Seems some enterprising fellows stole one and modified the software on it and then went to numerous Stop & Shop stores and uploaded their special package into those terminals. It recorded every card swiped then transmitted it back to the theives. I know, my card got caught up in the mess.
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>Normally there's a long wait unless you get there very early. It's a shame >the owner is reporting business has dropped off because of this scheme. It >was certainly not her fault.
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It's time more restaurants adopted the European style portable card readers. Your credit card never leaves your sight, so there is less room for fraud.
There's always room for fraud. Those mobile terminals are wireless terminals. As it currently stands, a suitably equipped PC can crack WEP passwords fairly easily. I wouldn't imagine WPA is far behind.
And knowing device manufacturers like I know device manufacturers, they took the cheap way out as far as encrypting the wireless connection.
There's a lot more to it than WEP or WPA. some of them use cellular technology and the authorisation piece is done under a separately encrypted conversation between the card, reader and the authorisation switch. The PIN pads are encrypted so that no data is transmitted in the clear and only a valid response from the auth host is acceptable or the transaction is rejected. If the card is cloned (and here in the UK we only accept CHIP based transaction, magstrip is old hat) the Bank will know and the card can be retained
Doc
All well and good. They probably use a keying algorithm. All you need to do is get one of the machines and you can figure out all the encryption.
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On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 22:23:50 -0600, "jmcquown" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>Normally there's a long wait unless you get there very early. It's >a shame >the owner is reporting business has dropped off because of this >scheme. It >was certainly not her fault.
It's time more restaurants adopted the European style portable card readers. Your credit card never leaves your sight, so there is less room for fraud.
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There's always room for fraud. Those mobile terminals are wireless terminals. As it currently stands, a suitably equipped PC can crack WEP passwords fairly easily. I wouldn't imagine WPA is far behind.
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And knowing device manufacturers like I know device manufacturers, they took the cheap way out as far as encrypting the wireless connection.
passwords?
When the card is in the machine and has been verified, the payer enters a PIN on the keypad (4-digit Personal Id Number). Out of view of the waiter.The transaction won't go through without the correct PIN.
Janet. (UK)
That's the thing, PIN isn't required for credit card transactions here. We sign for it, but only for purchased over $25 now.
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> >Normally there's a long wait unless you get there very early. It's a shame > >the owner is reporting business has dropped off because of this scheme. It > >was certainly not her fault.
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> It's time more restaurants adopted the European style portable card > readers. Your credit card never leaves your sight, so there is less > room for fraud.
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There's always room for fraud. Those mobile terminals are wireless terminals. As it currently stands, a suitably equipped PC can crack WEP passwords fairly easily. I wouldn't imagine WPA is far behind.
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And knowing device manufacturers like I know device manufacturers, they took the cheap way out as far as encrypting the wireless connection.
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There's a lot more to it than WEP or WPA. some of them use cellular technology and the authorisation piece is done under a separately encrypted conversation between the card, reader and the authorisation switch. The PIN pads are encrypted so that no data is transmitted in the clear and only a valid response from the auth host is acceptable or the transaction is rejected. If the card is cloned (and here in the UK we only accept CHIP based transaction, magstrip is old hat) the Bank will know and the card can be retained
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All well and good. They probably use a keying algorithm. All you need to do is get one of the machines and you can figure out all the encryption
Nope. There is encryption per machine (they 'should' all be different) and per card and the responses to the card have to be valid in terms of Issuer 'fingerprints' .
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. My #1 Bud has a non-stop 24-hour voice (except during sleep which
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takes alcohol to accomplish) in his head from a long meth binge. The only way he can shut it off is by talking. When we speak, I can hardly get a word in edgewise. Began 1991. Refuses medical help.
Has he tried listening to a walkman with ear plugs? Some people with that problem find it helps to either drown out the voice, or even shut it up.
Janet
He tried some psycho meds but it layed him out for days. Might have worked if he didn't have a job and kids and a wife to support.
He does have a blue tooth earpiece in one ear to his iPhone but how could you work under those circumstances. Hardly a solution to the problem.
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(laugh!) I actually said that, then deleted it. All the information they need is printed right on the card, if someone is so inclined, what's to stop them from memorizing it?
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I saw something on TV about how meth gives people the ability to do things like that.
Who'd have thought. Very interesting.
People take garbage bags from the curbs in affluent neighborhoods and dig through them for information. The meth gives them the ability to sit for days piecing together things that have been torn up or even shredded.
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It was sad and scarry. I don't have a pure past but I'm glad that's something I never got into.
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>> That is for debit cards, not charge cards. When I use my AMEX >> at restaurants I'm never asked for a PIN. > My American Express information was stolen and used by someone in > a local store where no one took my card out of my sight. ?I don't > know about this swiping business, all they need to know is > printed right there on the card. ?I was lucky I just happened to > notice the charges piling up on my card while it was still only > $1700.
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I wonder how they did it?
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Got me. ?They were busted for using other people's card info, too. They not being the store, they being some employee.
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How about just a peculiar knack for memorizing numbers? ?I know that's low-tech, but it works.
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Right , I know my AMEX number and , very handy. Rosie
I am pretty good at knowing numbers, I renewed my drivers license yesterday and rattled off the number and expiration date to the guy at the window and he just stared at me and said 'how did you do that'.....I told him I was 'wonderfully gifted' and let him figure it out (snort). I also memorized my bank account number, my visa number and all the associated pin numbers. Now for the alphabetical passwords I have for different computer accounts, forget it. I'm lucky if I get the signon name spelled correctly (and I was alway a reely gud speler and sucked at math). -ginny
The message <[email hidden]> from "Andy <q>" <q> contains these words:
. My #1 Bud has a non-stop 24-hour voice (except during sleep which
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takes alcohol to accomplish) in his head from a long meth binge. The only way he can shut it off is by talking. When we speak, I can hardly get a word in edgewise. Began 1991. Refuses medical help.
Has he tried listening to a walkman with ear plugs? Some people with that problem find it helps to either drown out the voice, or even shut it up.
Janet
He tried some psycho meds but it layed him out for days. Might have worked if he didn't have a job and kids and a wife to support.
He does have a blue tooth earpiece in one ear to his iPhone but how could you work under those circumstances. Hardly a solution to the problem.
Andy
Sounds like the "solution" is involuntary committment to a psych/rehab facility. How can he maintain a job to support his family when he's going on meth binges???
The message <[email hidden]> from "Andy <q>" <q> contains these words:
. My #1 Bud has a non-stop 24-hour voice (except during sleep which > takes alcohol to accomplish) in his head from a long meth binge. The > only way > he can shut it off is by talking. When we speak, I can hardly get a > word in edgewise. Began 1991. Refuses medical help.
Has he tried listening to a walkman with ear plugs? Some people with that problem find it helps to either drown out the voice, or even shut it up.
Janet
He tried some psycho meds but it layed him out for days. Might have worked if he didn't have a job and kids and a wife to support.
He does have a blue tooth earpiece in one ear to his iPhone but how could you work under those circumstances. Hardly a solution to the problem.
Andy
Sounds like the "solution" is involuntary committment to a psych/rehab facility. How can he maintain a job to support his family when he's
going
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on meth binges???
Jill
His last binge was in 1991 after the damage had already been done.. Been at him ever since.
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Has he tried listening to a walkman with ear plugs? Some people with that problem find it helps to either drown out the voice, or even shut it up.
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He does have a blue tooth earpiece in one ear to his iPhone but how could you work under those circumstances.
The people I knew who used this method had either tapes, or a little radio, which played some continual background conversation or reading or whatever. They didn't need to actually listen to what was being played, or respond to it in any way; it's just a background sound-track filling the silence which (otherwise) would have been taken up by internal voices.
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Hardly a solution to the problem.
It is a well established relief- technique used by people who hear voices a lot; doesn't work for everyone but he won't know unless someone tells him about it and he tries it out.
On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:29:06 -0600, "jmcquown" <[email hidden]>
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I never "keep" money in my PayPal account. If I need to purchase something using PayPal I transfer only the funds I need for the purchase. Since the most I've ever put in there is about $15 (filters for Persia's Drinkwell pet fountain purchased on eBay) it's hardly worth hacking 🙂
We've never had a problem with paypal other than the annoying scam attempts. We sell a lot on eBay so unless we're planning on purchasing something, Louise takes it out when its get over a few hundred dollars.
>> "Goomba38" <[email hidden]> wrote >> >>> That is for debit cards, not charge cards. When I use my AMEX >>> at restaurants I'm never asked for a PIN. >> My American Express information was stolen and used by someone in >> a local store where no one took my card out of my sight. I don't >> know about this swiping business, all they need to know is >> printed right there on the card. I was lucky I just happened to >> notice the charges piling up on my card while it was still only >> $1700.
> I wonder how they did it?
Got me. They were busted for using other people's card info, too. They not being the store, they being some employee.
How about just a peculiar knack for memorizing numbers? I know that's low-tech, but it works.
(laugh!) I actually said that, then deleted it. All the information they need is printed right on the card, if someone is so inclined, what's to stop them from memorizing it?
Of course, some people have pencils. They aren't hard to acquire.
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(laugh!) I actually said that, then deleted it. All the information they need is printed right on the card, if someone is so inclined, what's to stop them from memorizing it?
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Of course, some people have pencils. They aren't hard to acquire.
Heh. True, but I think even someone as oblivious as I can be would notice someone writing down my credit card number.
On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:29:06 -0600, "jmcquown" <[email hidden]>
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I never "keep" money in my PayPal account. If I need to purchase something using PayPal I transfer only the funds I need for the purchase. Since the most I've ever put in there is about $15 (filters for Persia's Drinkwell pet fountain purchased on eBay) it's hardly worth hacking 🙂
I've gotten too many phishing emails from "Paypal" concerning a problem with my account to trust it.
sf who has never used paypal and never will.
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Normally there's a long wait unless you get there very early. It's a shame the owner is reporting business has dropped off because of this scheme. It was certainly not her fault.
Jill
I think I'd use cash the next time I went.
I don't think I would be going back. I once took my wife out for a nice lunch at a fairly new restaurant.It was nice place with good food. I paid with Visa. When my Visa bill came in I was surprised to see two charges at the same restuarant, one of them two days after the day we ate ther. I called up Visa, they called the restaurant amd got some excuse about how they thought it had not gone through properly. They were supopsed to credut me. The credit didn't show up on the next bill. I called Visa again. they were supposed to call the restaurant and get hard copies, and if my signature wasn't on the bill I would not be liable for it. It went on for months. Visa would call once in a while, and I would call them. One day about 6 months later. I passed by while working and went in (in uniform) and demanded repayment. They paid.
Visa happened to call a few days later and asked if it had been settled and I told them I had collected the money. The lady said she was glad to hear that because with the time that had passed it would be hard to get it credited. That surprised me, since I called them as soon as I got my bill. I have not been back to the restaurant, and I don't use Visa much any more.
For my two cents..... any business caught skimming money through bank cards or credit cards should automatically be cut off those service.
I am now a lot more careful about where I use cards. Due to the number of incidents I have heard of from friends of mine, I don't use cards in places run by Muslims or Russians.
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Right , I know my AMEX number and , very handy. Rosie
I don't believe you. Prove it by posting the number here.
LOL! Actually, my SIL is the same way. She knows all of her credit card and billing numbers. I used to know my check number when I used my checkbook daily. Now I don't even give it a glance, so the numbers have fled my brain. My driver's license number hasn't changed since I was 16, so it's burned into my memory, but car licence plates? I quite memorizing them after my third car.
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