Re: Rivalry between Gino Bartali and Fausto Coppi

"GoneBeforeMyTime" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Mark & Steven Bornfeld" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:36nsj.18$rh.4@trnddc02...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Benjo also wrote the book in Dutch called (We Were All Gods), about the
Tour of 1948. Benjo also wrote in English, (The Sweat of the Gods).

I'll have to check--I have the English version. I seem to recall that it
was translated, and not by Benjo. I also remember there being little or
no bibliography in the English edition, which understandably annoyed
Benjo. I believe I had to order it from Amazon UK.

Steve

I had the privilege of reading one chapter in English, but I don't
remember where I put it. Never mind, I'll look forward to the book! If you
have a link, post it. I've not heard of any English version of We Were All
Gods.

No, there is no English version of We Were All Gods. It has only been
translated into German. However, there is an English translation of two
chapters: the rest day in Cannes, when Bartali seemed to have lost the Tour,
and the stage from Cannes to Briançon, when he almost conquered the yellow
jersey. If anyone is interested, let me know and I sent it to you (but don't
sent to my e-mail adress, for some mysterious reason messages seem to exceed
the quota of my almost empty mailbox).

Benjo

Benjo Maso said:

"GoneBeforeMyTime" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Mark & Steven Bornfeld" <[email hidden]> wrote in
message news:36nsj.18$rh.4@trnddc02...

Quoted message said:

>
> Benjo also wrote the book in Dutch called (We Were All Gods), about
> the Tour of 1948. Benjo also wrote in English, (The Sweat of the Gods).

I'll have to check--I have the English version. I seem to recall
that it was translated, and not by Benjo. I also remember there
being little or no bibliography in the English edition, which
understandably annoyed Benjo. I believe I had to order it from
Amazon UK.

Steve

I had the privilege of reading one chapter in English, but I don't
remember where I put it. Never mind, I'll look forward to the book! If
you have a link, post it. I've not heard of any English version of We
Were All Gods.

No, there is no English version of We Were All Gods. It has only been
translated into German. However, there is an English translation of two
chapters: the rest day in Cannes, when Bartali seemed to have lost the
Tour, and the stage from Cannes to Briançon, when he almost conquered
the yellow jersey. If anyone is interested, let me know and I sent it to
you (but don't sent to my e-mail adress, for some mysterious reason
messages seem to exceed the quota of my almost empty mailbox).

Benjo

I'd love to get it. (remove "mung" from my e-mail addy). I hope it
was clear I was speaking of "Sweat of the Gods". I assume GBMT has
perhaps one of the chapters of We Were All Gods.

Steve

In article <[email hidden]>,

Benjo Maso said:

"GoneBeforeMyTime" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Mark & Steven Bornfeld" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:36nsj.18$rh.4@trnddc02...

Quoted message said:

>
> Benjo also wrote the book in Dutch called (We Were All Gods), about the
> Tour of 1948. Benjo also wrote in English, (The Sweat of the Gods).

I'll have to check--I have the English version. I seem to recall that it
was translated, and not by Benjo. I also remember there being little or
no bibliography in the English edition, which understandably annoyed
Benjo. I believe I had to order it from Amazon UK.

Steve

I had the privilege of reading one chapter in English, but I don't
remember where I put it. Never mind, I'll look forward to the book! If you
have a link, post it. I've not heard of any English version of We Were All
Gods.

No, there is no English version of We Were All Gods. It has only been
translated into German. However, there is an English translation of two
chapters: the rest day in Cannes, when Bartali seemed to have lost the Tour,
and the stage from Cannes to Briançon, when he almost conquered the yellow
jersey. If anyone is interested, let me know and I sent it to you (but don't
sent to my e-mail adress, for some mysterious reason messages seem to exceed
the quota of my almost empty mailbox).

Benjo

I'd love to see that. I think I'm going to have to stop being cheap and
buy "Sweat of the Gods," too.

I have Owen Mulholland's "Uphill Battle," which is theoretically a book
about the great climbers of all time, but that necessarily includes most
of the great riders, and he even discovers an excuse to include Wim van
Est, owing to his 250' fall off a mountain.

That book includes a chapter on Bartali and Coppi, which adds the note
that at the end of the 1959 season Bartali (retired from racing and a
team manager) hired Coppi to be his team captain for the next season.
Tragically, Coppi died of malaria before he could start another race.

I don't know if it comes through in all their rivalries, but this
appears to have been a competition between the two that had none of the
outright animosity of, say, Bobet and Gaul ("cheri-pipi"😉. They were
competitors and rivals without being enemies, for the most part.

--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

"Steven Bornfeld" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I'd love to get it. (remove "mung" from my e-mail addy). I hope it was
clear I was speaking of "Sweat of the Gods". I assume GBMT has perhaps
one of the chapters of We Were All Gods.

Steve

Right, had one chapter, but I'm not sure where it's at now, buried somewhere
on my hard drive. It was interesting, lots more on what happened in Italy,
the hard times with political problems, and Bartali's part in the tour being
the perfect thing to take their mind off the turmoil of the times, giving
hope and happiness to the Italian people. Also I remember something about
Bartali eating cake before one stage, and about how some saint who gave
Bartali two bananas while he was out of food and really hungry needing a
boost as he climbed near the summits in the poor dismal conditions of the
tour that year in 1948. What really got my attention in Tour Des Legends was
when they showed a clip of that hellish day when Robic stopped in the tunnel
beaten, broken and unwilling to continue, but he did and they showed a clip
of Robic at the end, and in all the tour tapes I have since 1986, I have
never seen a more broken man then Robic that day. Don't tell me these guys
didn't suffer, they suffered like hell, they suffered. Minus 10 degrees,
these guys suffered without Goretex!

If you saw the two photos of Gino, the one in 1939, and then the other in
1948, you would by appearance say these seem to be two totally different
men. The Bartali from 1938 looking like a extremely strong lean powerful
rider, but the Bartali of 1948 seemed to look like a much older man with
seemingly much less build then the Bartali in 1939, yet this Bartali
climbed as good, in fact better then he did in 1938. Now that is remarkable!
What's more unlike Robic, he walked away with flowers in hand like he just
going about his business. There was no sign whatsoever that this man had
suffered, he was smiling! Bartali was known as one of those riders that
could excel in the heat or cold, no matter, he thrived in all weather
conditions.

GBMT

Benjo Maso said:

No, there is no English version of We Were All Gods. It has only been
translated into German. However, there is an English translation of two
chapters: the rest day in Cannes, when Bartali seemed to have lost the
Tour, and the stage from Cannes to Briançon, when he almost conquered
the yellow jersey. If anyone is interested, let me know and I sent it to
you (but don't sent to my e-mail adress, for some mysterious reason
messages seem to exceed the quota of my almost empty mailbox).

Benjo,

Please do.