Campy doubles and triples shifters?

dabac said:

Hi guys.

I'm looking to buy some used Campy shifters, but being very much a
Campy rookie there are things that are quite unclear to me. Ebay lists
some front shifters as being for doubles only, but looking at catalouges
I don't see any current shifters that are listed as either double or
triple specific.

So what's the deal here? Were there "double-only" campy shifters once,
or are the ebay sellers even more clueless about Campy stuff than I am?

I don't know anything about the really old Campy stuff, but from 2000
there is no difference in double or triple. In front you have, I think,
9 or 10 clicks. For triple divided over 3 chainrings, for a double over
two chainrings. The difference is in the front derauilleur.

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(I am looking for somewhat older stuff, preferably front shifters w/o
the "QS" function, 8 or 9 spd, of either generation.)

w/o QS is wise. Why 8 speed?

Lou

On Feb 24, 3:00 pm, dabac <dabac.35a...@no-

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(I am looking for somewhat older stuff, preferably front shifters w/o
the "QS" function, 8 or 9 spd, of either generation.)

Eight and nine are different animals when it comes to the rear hub/
cassettes.

There are older, "pointy" style lever bodies/hoods, and newer,
"roundies". I like the round ones better for comfort, but that's
individual.

The Centaur 9's I have, alu (not carbon fiber) levers and round hoods,
work just as well as Record 8 and 9sp pointy's on my other bikes. You
might find those NOS (sorry, I forgot a source I just saw the other
day), with cables (saving some $$$). Cheaper cassettes and chains with
9sp than for 10sp. 9sp cassettes might be available a little longer
than 8, both are OOP from my understanding-- still very available,
both of them.

Branford (for one) has some Campy info you might find useful:

http://tinyurl.com/3xxwr9

Also, Campy brake QR's are located in the brake levers. You can keep
brake calipers that have QR's on them but you might take advantage of
brake QR's that work whether closed or left open by mistake <g>. --D-y

Lou Holtman said:

I don't know anything about the really old Campy stuff, but from 2000
there is no difference in double or triple.

All Ergopowers are triple-compatible, and I don't think any of the
really really old stuff has indexing in front to make any difference
either.

Lou Holtman said:

w/o QS is wise. Why 8 speed?

I found a compatibility chart which stated that Campy 8 shifter + Shimano RD would index nicely with Shimano 5/6 speeds. One viable drivetrain option for the Frankenbike I'm hoping to put together.

Another is Campy 9 and a shift mate to get the amount of wire pull right. But that would require going to a cassette hub, and more extensive mods to the bits I already have.

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"]On Feb 24, 3:00*pm, dabac <dabac.35a...@no-

mx.forums.cyclingforums.com said:

(I am looking for somewhat older stuff, preferably front shifters w/o
the "QS" function, 8 or 9 spd, of either generation.)

Eight and nine are different animals when it comes to the rear hub/
cassettes.

There are older, "pointy" style lever bodies/hoods, and newer,
"roundies". I like the round ones better for comfort, but that's
individual.

The Centaur 9's I have, alu (not carbon fiber) levers and round hoods,
work just as well as Record 8 and 9sp pointy's on my other bikes. You
might find those NOS (sorry, I forgot a source I just saw the other
day), with cables (saving some $$$). Cheaper cassettes and chains with
9sp than for 10sp. 9sp cassettes might be available a little longer
than 8, both are OOP from my understanding-- still very available,
both of them.

Branford (for one) has some Campy info you might find useful:

http://tinyurl.com/3xxwr9

Also, Campy brake QR's are located in the brake levers. You can keep
brake calipers that have QR's on them but you might take advantage of
brake QR's that work whether closed or left open by mistake <g>. --D-y

OOP?

Thanks for the link. I've been to the Branford site before, and I recognise the headlines but those pages don't open on my computer when accessed from the Braford catalouge. Gotta remember to bookmark that link...

quote='A R:nen'Lou Holtman said:

I don't know anything about the really old Campy stuff, but from 2000
there is no difference in double or triple.

All Ergopowers are triple-compatible, and I don't think any of the
really really old stuff has indexing in front to make any difference
either.[/QUOTE]

Thanks. I thought so from the catalogues I've read, but I wasn't sure. A bit intimidating that the people selling this stuff don't know better though.

On Feb 25, 4:40 am, dabac <dabac.35c...@no-

mx.forums.cyclingforums.com said:

Quoted message said:

On Feb 24, 3:00*pm, dabac <dabac.35a...@no-
mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

(I am looking for somewhat older stuff, preferably front shifters

w/o

Quoted message said:

the "QS" function, 8 or 9 spd, of either generation.)

Quoted message said:

Eight and nine are different animals when it comes to the rear hub/
cassettes.

Quoted message said:

There are older, "pointy" style lever bodies/hoods, and newer,
"roundies". I like the round ones better for comfort, but that's
individual.

Quoted message said:

The Centaur 9's I have, alu (not carbon fiber) levers and round hoods,
work just as well as Record 8 and 9sp pointy's on my other bikes. You
might find those NOS (sorry, I forgot a source I just saw the other
day), with cables (saving some $$$). Cheaper cassettes and chains with
9sp than for 10sp. 9sp cassettes might be available a little longer
than 8, both are OOP from my understanding-- still very available,
both of them.

Quoted message said:

Branford (for one) has some Campy info you might find useful:

Quoted message said:

http://tinyurl.com/3xxwr9

Quoted message said:

Also, Campy brake QR's are located in the brake levers. You can keep
brake calipers that have QR's on them but you might take advantage of
brake QR's that work whether closed or left open by mistake <g>.  --D-y

OOP?

Thanks for the link. I've been to the Branford site before, and I
recognise the headlines but those pages don't open on my computer when
accessed from the Braford catalouge. Gotta remember to bookmark that
link...

out of production.

My intended triple project (8sp Record brifters, Racing Triple f.
derailleur, Veloce 3x crank, Record 111BB, and medium rear
derailleur) has been on the Gurney for a couple of years now (saving
me from climbing the bad hills with it), but Campy left brifters work
with triple front derailleurs.

Saw mention of "have to buy a cassette hub".

Suggest you post a more thorough description of what you have and
where you want to go with it.

I'm not a Frankenguy but they lurk and post here.

Also suggest that cassette hubs did solve a problem-- axle breakage in
126mm axles (OLD).

Further not "trying to spend your money but": 9sp is fertile ground
for mixing body parts.

Ten speed might be, also:

Even though I said not Franken ("steen!!!"😉 ("what hump"?), I did
recently have a rear wheel built with Ultegra hub (past generation,
ebay cheapie) and Ultegra 10sp cassette (also a successful scrounge),
which seems to work perfectly, no adj. req., on the Wifenbike (recent
Centaur group, 10sp CS brifters) (nope, don't like the CS). Which
saved me a $150-250 compared to raiding the catacombs for an OOP 28h
9/10 Campy hub and current-production Campy 10sp cluster to go on
it. --D-y

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Suggest you post a more thorough description of what you have and
where you want to go with it.

OK, here goes(in some sort of priority):
1) Set up a commuter with bullhorn bars and Campy brifters. Bullhorn because I see how much use the barends on my MTB are getting. Campy brifters because the wire routing is elegant and leaves space open for a bar-mounted bike bag.
2) I'd like to stay at 9 speeds and Shimano compatibility due to lower prices and to tie in with other stuff I already have. Comfortably priced parts makes it easier to keep up with the maintenance on an all-weather commuter.
3) I've got a composite rear wheel that I'd like to use. Better braking than on alloy rims and a plush ride at high pressures but not enough gears for the intended use.
Running a soft indexing front shifter would let me use a front triple, or maybe even a quad to expand the ratio some.
4) If 3 doesn't work out well enough I might be able to do a hub transplant on the composite wheel, and either stick a body hub or a freewheel hub there.
5/6 speed frewheels are said to index nicely with Campy 8, while Campy 9 and a shift mate would work well with stuff I already got. Due to OLD issues preference might go to 5/6 speed freewheels, while sheer usage preferences would go to 9 speed body.

That's correct. I've been using it since the mid-90's and there has never
been any indexing specific to double or triple at least since the 8-speed
variety of Ergo on.
This is (one) of the really cool things about Campy Ergo vs. Shimano. The
other one at the top of my list is rebuild-ability;-]

-pete

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Lou Holtman said:

I don't know anything about the really old Campy stuff, but from 2000
there is no difference in double or triple.

All Ergopowers are triple-compatible, and I don't think any of the
really really old stuff has indexing in front to make any difference
either.