> On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:20:27 -0700, Mike Elliott <[email hidden]> > wrote: >> Wait -- modern chains should not be taken apart with a chain tool? I did >> not know that! That's how I remove mine to clean. So . . . what's the >> more correct procedure?
> Don't know if that's a typo.... You do use a chain tool to take it apart, you > aren't supposed to use one to put it back together.
It wasn't a typo so much as an incompletion. I use a chain tool for removal and re-installation. Or have done so until now. I have reconsidered this now that the error of my ways has been pointed out.
> A lot of mixed experience on this. I re-riveted a Shimano 8s chain (instead of > using the magic pin) and got about 200 miles before it took the der hanger off > my mountain bike. Others seem to have no problem.
Like me, on many bikes. So far.
> Mostly I use the Sram links - cheap, easy and reliable.*
> Ron > [*] Just how I like my women
That's just common sense. Who'd want a costly, difficult, or unreliable one?
does she own a 500SL ?
Is there a woman who owns one who bought it herself outside of the, uh, industry?
Outside of the computer, banking, real estate, entertainment industries? Probably a few.
On 3/26/2008 5:30 PM Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote: [...] > [*] Just how I like my women That's just common sense. Who'd want a costly, difficult, or unreliable one?
-- Mike "Rocket J Squirrel"
does she own a 500SL ?
She could, I guess. She's hypothetical. What would a costly, difficult, unreliable woman drive?
Luxury SUV, of course.
-- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
On 3/26/2008 5:30 PM Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote: [...] > [*] Just how I like my women That's just common sense. Who'd want a costly, difficult, or unreliable one?
-- Mike "Rocket J Squirrel"
does she own a 500SL ?
Is there a woman who owns one who bought it herself outside of the, uh, industry?
Marrying for money is part of the "industry".
-- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:46:29 -0700, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]>
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Quoted message said:
Mike, what do you have to say about the venerable PC-48, PC-58, and PC-68 SRAM chains? I have been pretty happy with SRAM PC-68's.
- Don Gillies
Don: Good chains that last well but don't shift as well up-front as the Shimano. We have fixed many a front-shifting problem by replacing a PC-48 with a Shimano chain (any HG variety). We have had customers fight us over this, insisting that their PC-whatever chain is not causing the front shifting to be not as they'd like... and accuse us of doing something else to magically bring their shifting performance back up (after we replaced the chain and all was well).
Some people are far less picky about front shifting than others. Examples are those who say they have no problem using non-standard chainrings and size combinations with STI shifters.
Probably people who learned to shift before the clicky shifter thing happened.
With a bar-end shifter, I have been able to use combinations such as 54/44/24T, 62/52/39T and 73/52T without problems, all with "plain" chainrings. Try that with STI, Ergo or Rabidfire (sic)!
-- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
I have just put a new chain on my bike, the old one starting to get a bit noisy (stretched). I once read here that chains stretch because grit grinds away at the bearings, so I assumed that it didn't matter much how much I pay for a chain. The bike shop tells me, however, that there are various qualities of chain.
Does it pay to pay more for a chain, and if so, why?
Thank you all for the answers. I will continue to buy next-to-cheapest chains, as advised. Here in DK we use bikes every day, to get to work and back home, and a lot of bikes, like mine, have hub gears rather than derailleurs. I myself have a single-gear Torpedo hub with back-pedal brake, a great hub, probably about 60 years old, indestructible. So I need to cut off a definite length of chain, and I hope I never buy one of those fancy types you mention with peened pins, that you should not break and reassemble. Actually I doubt that these are sold here.[...]
I am certain that one can buy any Shimano, SRAM or Campagnolo chain in any of the larger cities in Denmark. They may only be sold in the specialty stores that cater to "club" or "racing" cyclists, however.
That said, using a more expensive chain designed for 7-10 derailer gears would be a waste on a single-speed or internally geared hub bicycle.
-- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:40:11 +0100, Dieter Britz <[email hidden]>
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Someone wrote "when I was waxing chains..." - why did you stop? I do that, and the wax lasts longer than oil and, it seems to me, repels water better (it rains a lot here).
I quit waxing chains because wax has almost "0" lubricity. And I reached just the opposite conclusion re wax lasting longer and repelling water better than oil. Finally, one must remove the chain to wax it--too much trouble, especially with the advent of 1-step cleaner/lubes like Pro Link.
