Is the "Atlanta Idiot" really a doctor anymore?

Ear Rings said:

People have noticed the "Atlanta Idiot" as we will refer to him, does not post using the "M.D."
initials after his name anymore.

The use of initials disappeared after a long fight with his state medical board.

Christ has saved us for the scourges of hell!

What are you talking about? Who's the "Atlanta Idiot" and what does Christ have to do with media
control and the scourges of hell?

Pastorio

Bob Pastorio said:

What are you talking about? Who's the "Atlanta Idiot" and what does Christ have to do with media
control and the scourges of hell?

Pastorio

..................

Bob -

I live in Atlanta, Georgia.

A group of four or five miscreants from another newsgroup thought it would be great fun to try to
get my license to practice medicine revoked. So they amassed a large number of my posts and then
took bits and pieces of them totally out of context for the express purpose of putting me in the
worst possible light. These they submitted to the Georgia Composite Board of Medical Examiners with
their request that I lose my license.

There was no "long fight" with the Georgia Board, but there *was* a two-month invesitgation. (The
Board took the complaint very seriously.) The Board enlisted the services of an investigator who was
very "Internet-savvy" to try to unravel things. He interviewed the complaintants - and through
Google - traced back every out-of-context quote to its in-context source.

The result of the two-month investigation was that there was no reliable basis upon which to
consider revokation or suspension of my license. The case was closed without so much as a hearing.

Around the time this was happening - and *totally independent* of it - I decided to close my clinic
to pursue an exciting research opportunity that presented itself and that I felt (and continue to
feel) could potentially impact the lives of thousands at once rather than one-at-a-time. (I had at
that point been involved in direct patient care for some thirty years without even the slightest
blemish on my record - no lawsuits lost, settled, or even filed against me.) The miscreants, their
efforts thwarted by the Georgia Board, concocted a story on Usenet to the effect that I closed my
clinic as part of a "deal" with the Board to retain my license. And now apparently Ear Rings (a Jew-
hater also known on Usenet as "Larry Lix" from Kitchener
- BERLIN before the war - Ontario) wants readers here to think I can no longer call myself an M.D.
as part of this supposed "deal" with the Georgia Board. (The actual reason I don't use titles is
that I have come to find them off-putting on newsgroups and message boards.)

I tell you this just to point out that the trolls on this site - sci.med-cardiology - are rank
amateurs compared with the [censored] that goes on elsewhere in Usenet.

I hope that answers your question, Bob.

Stephen M. Nagler, MD, FACS Fellow American College of Surgeons Diplomate American Board of Surgery
- Certified, Recertified, and Re-recertified Full and Unrestricted License to Practice Medicine and
Surgery in the State of Georgia

Bob Pastorio said:

...what does Christ have to do with media control and the scourges of hell?

................

Bob, allow me to venture a resopnse to this question as well.

Some people - apparently Dr. Chung, Mu, and Ear Rings among them - believe that Christ is
intimatetly involved with all phases of life here on earth. They believe that Christ is the Son of
God, that He is the Messiah, and that He died on the cross for our sins. They further believe that
the only path to salvation is through Jesus Christ, whom they refer to as "Our Lord."

Some other people - I among them - believe *just as strongly* that the above is not the case.

The operative word here is "believe." These are matters of faith.

Almost all of the problems man faces today and has faced throughout time can be traced directly or
indirectly towards a lack of tolerance and respect on the part of those with one closely held set of
beliefs for those with another closely held set of beliefs.

It is played out here on this newsgroup - and it is played out everywhere in the world today.

Look on this newsgroup. See which players demonstrate tolerance, compassion, and respect for the
beliefs of others. They are in a very real sense "Christian" - regardless of which faith they
practice. See also who here demonstrates intolerance and lack of respect for the rights of others to
follow their own faiths. See who tries again and again - though numerous strategies - to inflict
their values upon those who believe differently. Those folks are Christian in name only
- a title and nothing more.

Just my $0.02 -

smn

Ear Rings said:

People have noticed the "Atlanta Idiot" as we will refer to him, does not post using the "M.D."
initials after his name anymore.

The use of initials disappeared after a long fight with his state medical board.

Christ has saved us for the scourges of hell!

Actually, Dr. Nagler does have an active medical license according to the GA Medical Board Database.
However, it is a concern that he does not have an active "physician profile."

medicalboard.state.ga.usindex.cgiOpen ↗

Your complaints would have more merit if you were not anonymous.

Truth will protect you.

Humbly,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.comOpen ↗

Ear Rings said:

the "Atlanta Idiot"

What town are you the idiot for? I think you would qualify to be the idiot for MANY towns. <g> May
you find Holy Glory in it. Matt

MD/PhD said:

Actually, Dr. Nagler does have an active medical license according to the GA Medical Board
Database. However, it is a concern that he does not have an active "physician profile."

But he's not an active physician by his own resume and account.

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Dr. Andrew B. Chung said:

Your complaints would have more merit if you were not anonymous.

You mean like Mu, for example. I'm glad you think Mu's comments do not have merit. Join the
crowd. <gg> Matt

On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 12:02:28 GMT, Stephen Nagler <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

A group of four or five miscreants from another newsgroup thought it would be great fun to try to
get my license to practice medicine revoked. So they amassed a large number of my posts and then
took bits and pieces of them totally out of context for the express purpose of putting me in the
worst possible light.

That wouldn't be hard.

Quoted message said:

Around the time this was happening - and *totally independent* of it - I decided to close my clinic
to pursue an exciting research opportunity...

Oooh, is that one like you hear about on a 15 second infomercial?

Quoted message said:

I tell you this just to point out that the trolls on this site - sci.med-cardiology - are rank
amateurs compared with the [censored] that goes on elsewhere in Usenet.

I'll bet that hurt Pastorio, Lehmann, Mattilda and Stevie. Shame on you. That wasn't very Jewish.

Quoted message said:

Stephen M. Nagler, MD, FACS Fellow American College of Surgeons

who does no surgery anymore........

Quoted message said:

Diplomate American Board of Surgery - Certified, Recertified, and Re-recertified

see above

Quoted message said:

Full and Unrestricted License to Practice Medicine and Surgery in the State of Georgia

but doesn't.

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On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 14:23:45 GMT, Stephen Nagler <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Some people - apparently Dr. Chung, Mu, and Ear Rings among them - believe that Christ is
intimatetly involved with all phases of life here on earth. They believe that Christ is the Son of
God, that He is the Messiah, and that He died on the cross for our sins. They further believe that
the only path to salvation is through Jesus Christ, whom they refer to as "Our Lord."

So far so good except for the "all phases" piece.

Quoted message said:

Some other people - I among them - believe *just as strongly* that the above is not the case.

The operative word here is "believe." These are matters of faith.

Part of the definition of "faith" is the belief in something that cannot be proven to be true
(mainly in a scientific, material sense). Jews, by this definition, do not have faith. They have
firm evidence of Yahweh having possessed (but lost Ooops only one of the most important treasures of
mankind, the Ark of the Covenant and the Ten Commandments written by God Himself - boy, was that a
screw up royal or what?) artifacts, written history and various other direct links.

Hence, what faith does a Jew have?

If you say "faith in a Messiah", sorry, you arranged for the crucifixion of the Only One who will
come for you.

Btw, thanks for that.

Quoted message said:

Almost all of the problems man faces today and has faced throughout time can be traced directly or
indirectly towards a lack of tolerance and respect on the part of those with one closely held set
of beliefs for those with another closely held set of beliefs.

Almost all problems man faces? What? AIDS? SARS? Excessive flatulence?

Get real.

Quoted message said:

Look on this newsgroup.

<eyeballing>

Quoted message said:

See which players demonstrate tolerance, compassion, and respect for the beliefs of others. They
are in a very real sense "Christian" - regardless of which faith they practice.

Jesus and the Moneychangers. Ask Annas and Caiphas about tolerance, compassion and respect. Ask the
Pharisees, the Sadducees, the Sanhedrin.

Better yet, go actually READ the NT before you spout off about Christianity.

You see, I have read, reread, debated, sought advice, etc on the OT but you, who haven't done any
such thing with the NT, bleat about Christianity. Here's a hint.

Christianity started at the time of Christ's ministry. That's the NT, Bubba, not the OT or
the Torah.

Which leaves the credibility of this post as, well, INcredible.

Quoted message said:

See also who here demonstrates intolerance and lack of respect for the rights of others to follow
their own faiths.

See above.

Quoted message said:

See who tries again and again - though numerous strategies - to inflict their values upon those
who believe differently. Those folks are Christian in name only
- a title and nothing more.

See above.

Quoted message said:

Just my $0.02 -

I'll give you a shiny penny.

Naw, why waste a good penny on a worthless post like this?

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Stephen Nagler said:

Bob Pastorio said:

What are you talking about? Who's the "Atlanta Idiot" and what does Christ have to do with media
control and the scourges of hell?

Pastorio

..................

Bob -

I live in Atlanta, Georgia.

A group of four or five miscreants from another newsgroup thought it would be great fun to try to
get my license to practice medicine revoked. So they amassed a large number of my posts and then
took bits and pieces of them totally out of context for the express purpose of putting me in the
worst possible light. These they submitted to the Georgia Composite Board of Medical Examiners
with their request that I lose my license.

There was no "long fight" with the Georgia Board, but there *was* a two-month invesitgation. (The
Board took the complaint very seriously.) The Board enlisted the services of an investigator who
was very "Internet-savvy" to try to unravel things. He interviewed the complaintants - and through
Google - traced back every out-of-context quote to its in-context source.

The result of the two-month investigation was that there was no reliable basis upon which to
consider revokation or suspension of my license. The case was closed without so much as a hearing.

Around the time this was happening - and *totally independent* of it - I decided to close my
clinic to pursue an exciting research opportunity that presented itself and that I felt (and
continue to feel) could potentially impact the lives of thousands at once rather than one-at-a-
time. (I had at that point been involved in direct patient care for some thirty years without even
the slightest blemish on my record - no lawsuits lost, settled, or even filed against me.) The
miscreants, their efforts thwarted by the Georgia Board, concocted a story on Usenet to the effect
that I closed my clinic as part of a "deal" with the Board to retain my license. And now
apparently Ear Rings (a Jew-hater also known on Usenet as "Larry Lix" from Kitchener
- BERLIN before the war - Ontario) wants readers here to think I can no longer call myself an M.D.
as part of this supposed "deal" with the Georgia Board. (The actual reason I don't use titles is
that I have come to find them off-putting on newsgroups and message boards.)

I tell you this just to point out that the trolls on this site - sci.med-cardiology - are rank
amateurs compared with the [censored] that goes on elsewhere in Usenet.

I hope that answers your question, Bob.

Stephen M. Nagler, MD, FACS Fellow American College of Surgeons Diplomate American Board of
Surgery - Certified, Recertified, and Re-recertified Full and Unrestricted License to Practice
Medicine and Surgery in the State of Georgia

Why don't you have a current "physician profile" on the database per current board requirements?

Glad to hear that the GA Medical Board have folks who are Internet-savvy
:-)

You remain in my prayers, neighbor :-)

Humbly,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.comOpen ↗

Stephen Nagler said:

Bob Pastorio said:

...what does Christ have to do with media control and the scourges of hell?

................

Bob, allow me to venture a resopnse to this question as well.

Some people - apparently Dr. Chung, Mu, and Ear Rings among them - believe that Christ is
intimatetly involved with all phases of life here on earth.

Should be all christians.

Quoted message said:

They believe that Christ is the Son of God, that He is the Messiah, and that He died on the cross
for our sins. They further believe that the only path to salvation is through Jesus Christ, whom
they refer to as "Our Lord."

They would be christians.

Quoted message said:

Some other people - I among them - believe *just as strongly* that the above is not the case.

You seem to have found a kindred "negative" spirit in Bob Pastorio, then.

Folks that religiously believe in the absence of something tend to hateful people.

Quoted message said:

The operative word here is "believe." These are matters of faith.

Belief in the existence of something is indeed faith.

Belief in the absence of something is hate.

Look at those who would hate the Israel nation.

Look at those who hate you and your medical degree.

Look at those who would hate the 2PD approach.

Look at those who would hate Mu.

Look at those who would hate John.

Out of hate, these folks have the belief that Israel does not exist, that you do not have a medical
license, that the 2PD approach is fake, that Mu is a sock puppet, that John does not exist.

Quoted message said:

Almost all of the problems man faces today and has faced throughout time can be traced directly or
indirectly towards a lack of tolerance and respect on the part of those with one closely held set
of beliefs for those with another closely held set of beliefs.

The source of intolerance are those who have hate in their hearts. If you wish to change the world,
would suggest you start with yourself, Stephen. Have faith and not hate.

Quoted message said:

It is played out here on this newsgroup - and it is played out everywhere in the world today.

That it has.

Quoted message said:

Look on this newsgroup. See which players demonstrate tolerance, compassion, and respect for the
beliefs of others.

Please do.

Quoted message said:

They are in a very real sense "Christian" - regardless of which faith they practice.

I humbly thank you for that kind compliment :-)

Quoted message said:

See also who here demonstrates intolerance and lack of respect for the rights of others to follow
their own faiths.

Ear Rings does seem to have a chip on his/her shoulders about you.

Quoted message said:

See who tries again and again - though numerous strategies - to inflict their values upon those
who believe differently.

I am sorry that these folks have been trying to harm you for your being a jew.

Have you considered the possibility that the hate they have for you is directed at your hate (belief
that Christ does not exist) rather than your being a jew?

Quoted message said:

Those folks are Christian in name only
- a title and nothing more.

Fwiw, being a christian is no more a title than being a jew.

You remain in my prayers, neighbor :-)

Humbly,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
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Stephen Nagler <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Some other people - I among them - believe *just as strongly* that the above is not the case.

Dear Stephen,

If you know the first commandment as Jesus did you will want that love for your neighbour because
you love them too. To give them that love in a way they can have it freely, you must be free of sin
yourself otherwise your beliefs will let them down, maybe not today, but they will another day,
maybe even when your neighbour is hurting most.

Jesus said He was the only way to His father, because this is the truth. He wasn't speaking to those
Jews who knew God, but to all non-believers, and those Jews who came from families who had long
forgotten God's place and were taking the title in name only (and there were very many!).

Can you fulfil God's second Commandment and know that without Jesus you can lead your neighbour to
Him at their hour of need? Will you be with them at their every waking hour; or will you introduce
them to God and leave them at their time of need to doubt Him as your own sins become magnified
before them?

Jesus died so that you don't have to carry the burden of all men in a sin free life. He died an
excruciating death so that all men can be forgiven for their inadequacies and sin. He died because
He loved His neighbours and knew His Father in a way no other man has done, before or since. He knew
all men and their inadequacies, their children and their children's children to come.

Believing in what Jesus did for you 'personally' is not the word for what some people give to
unachievable expectations of others. The _only_ Christian way is to know Jesus, other ways are
simply of another name.

Who are your neighbours that you would shut off their light? If _you_ can't be their light and
live up to that expectation, and you really do love them, then lead them sincerely to Him or
remain silent.

Otherwise answer this. Who is your neighbour that you would know them at their time of need and can
answer their prayers? Jesus has too many to number.

Carol T

Those are some far fetched assumptions from you! Interesting you would be so conceited to assume any
of those statements were related to you. What, do you imagine, causes you to think the public will
believe your story this time? Your history speaks volumes and it cannot be changed.

"Stephen Nagler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Bob Pastorio said:

What are you talking about? Who's the "Atlanta Idiot" and what does Christ have to do with media
control and the scourges of hell?

Pastorio

..................

Bob -

I live in Atlanta, Georgia.

A group of four or five miscreants from another newsgroup thought it would be great fun to try to
get my license to practice medicine revoked. So they amassed a large number of my posts and then
took bits and pieces of them totally out of context for the express purpose of putting me in the
worst possible light. These they submitted to the Georgia Composite Board of Medical Examiners
with their request that I lose my license.

There was no "long fight" with the Georgia Board, but there *was* a two-month invesitgation. (The
Board took the complaint very seriously.) The Board enlisted the services of an investigator who
was very "Internet-savvy" to try to unravel things. He interviewed the complaintants - and through
Google - traced back every out-of-context quote to its in-context source.

The result of the two-month investigation was that there was no reliable basis upon which to
consider revokation or suspension of my license. The case was closed without so much as a hearing.

Around the time this was happening - and *totally independent* of it - I decided to close my
clinic to pursue an exciting research opportunity that presented itself and that I felt (and
continue to feel) could potentially impact the lives of thousands at once rather than one-at-a-
time. (I had at that point been involved in direct patient care for some thirty years without even
the slightest blemish on my record - no lawsuits lost, settled, or even filed against me.) The
miscreants, their efforts thwarted by the Georgia Board, concocted a story on Usenet to the effect
that I closed my clinic as part of a "deal" with the Board to retain my license. And now
apparently Ear Rings (a Jew-hater also known on Usenet as "Larry Lix" from Kitchener
- BERLIN before the war - Ontario) wants readers here to think I can no longer call myself an M.D.
as part of this supposed "deal" with the Georgia Board. (The actual reason I don't use titles is
that I have come to find them off-putting on newsgroups and message boards.)

I tell you this just to point out that the trolls on this site - sci.med-cardiology - are rank
amateurs compared with the [censored] that goes on elsewhere in Usenet.

I hope that answers your question, Bob.

Stephen M. Nagler, MD, FACS Fellow American College of Surgeons Diplomate American Board of
Surgery - Certified, Recertified, and Re-recertified Full and Unrestricted License to Practice
Medicine and Surgery in the State of Georgia

MD/PhD said:

Why don't you have a current "physician profile" on the database per current board requirements?

...............

I do.

But the Board gives you the option of not having your physican profile published. Since I am no
longer in practice, I saw no need to have my own profile published.

...............

Quoted message said:

Glad to hear that the GA Medical Board have folks who are Internet-savvy

...............

They take their responsibilities - both to the community and to physicians - very seriously.

.................

Quoted message said:

You remain in my prayers, neighbor :-)

.....................

Andrew, please see if you can understand this. I am honored to be in your prayers. But I am sick and
tired of hearing about it. There is a difference between praying for somebody, which is a pure and
noble gesture ... and talking about the fact that you are praying for somebody. The prayer is what
counts, and I thank you. But talking about it repeatedly adds nothing constructive to the praying
itself ... and to me personally is offensive and off-putting.

smn

On Wed, 7 Jan 2004 12:53:18 -0500, Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote
(in message <[email hidden]>😉:

<unctious, patronizing, self serving, word twisting snipped>

Slow day at the old "practice" Chung? You seem too have a lot of free time today. Not a lot of
surgeries scheduled, I guess.

Maybe you could spend your time tallying up all the "proceeds" from that non-profit web site that
you are going to donate to charity.

--
Steve

Weeding the Lord's Vineyards Since 2003

Stephen Nagler posted:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

See who tries again and again - though numerous strategies - to inflict their values upon those
who believe differently.

Andrew Chung responded"

Quoted message said:

I am sorry that these folks have been trying to harm you for your being a jew.

................

Am I talking to a wall here?

Chung, the person trying to INFLICT his values upon another ... is YOU.

smn

MD/PhD said:

Belief in the existence of something is indeed faith.

Belief in the absence of something is hate.

Look at those who would hate the Israel nation.

Look at those who hate you and your medical degree.

Look at those who would hate the 2PD approach.

Look at those who would hate Mu.

I probably deserve it.

lol

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

See who tries again and again - though numerous strategies - to inflict their values upon those
who believe differently.

I am sorry that these folks have been trying to harm you for your being a jew.

I can't speak for anyone but myself but whether Nagler is a Jew (which he is) or not is irrelevant
except when it comes to his personal and eternal damnation.

Quoted message said:

Have you considered the possibility that the hate they have for you is directed at your hate
(belief that Christ does not exist) rather than your being a jew?

There you go.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Those folks are Christian in name only
- a title and nothing more.

Fwiw, being a christian is no more a title than being a jew.

Yes, words.

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(Carol T) said:

Stephen Nagler <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Some other people - I among them - believe *just as strongly* that the above is not the case.

Dear Stephen,

If you know the first commandment as Jesus did you will want that love for your neighbour because
you love them too. To give them that love in a way they can have it freely, you must be free of sin
yourself otherwise your beliefs will let them down, maybe not today, but they will another day,
maybe even when your neighbour is hurting most.

Jesus said He was the only way to His father, because this is the truth. He wasn't speaking to
those Jews who knew God, but to all non-believers, and those Jews who came from families who had
long forgotten God's place and were taking the title in name only (and there were very many!).

Can you fulfil God's second Commandment and know that without Jesus you can lead your neighbour to
Him at their hour of need? Will you be with them at their every waking hour; or will you introduce
them to God and leave them at their time of need to doubt Him as your own sins become magnified
before them?

Jesus died so that you don't have to carry the burden of all men in a sin free life. He died an
excruciating death so that all men can be forgiven for their inadequacies and sin. He died because
He loved His neighbours and knew His Father in a way no other man has done, before or since. He
knew all men and their inadequacies, their children and their children's children to come.

Believing in what Jesus did for you 'personally' is not the word for what some people give to
unachievable expectations of others. The _only_ Christian way is to know Jesus, other ways are
simply of another name.

Who are your neighbours that you would shut off their light? If _you_ can't be their light and
live up to that expectation, and you really do love them, then lead them sincerely to Him or
remain silent.

Otherwise answer this. Who is your neighbour that you would know them at their time of need and can
answer their prayers? Jesus has too many to number.

Carol T

..............

Carol -

Thank you sincerely for your message. I read it thoroughly several times, and I know it comes from
your heart.

With kind regards -

stephen nagler

Stephen Nagler said:

MD/PhD said:

Why don't you have a current "physician profile" on the database per current board requirements?

...............

I do.

But the Board gives you the option of not having your physican profile published. Since I am no
longer in practice, I saw no need to have my own profile published.

Would suggest you still have it published.

Quoted message said:

...............

Quoted message said:

Glad to hear that the GA Medical Board have folks who are Internet-savvy

...............

They take their responsibilities - both to the community and to physicians - very seriously.

Praise God for that.

Quoted message said:

.................

Quoted message said:

You remain in my prayers, neighbor :-)

.....................

Andrew, please see if you can understand this. I am honored to be in your prayers. But I am sick
and tired of hearing about it. There is a difference between praying for somebody, which is a pure
and noble gesture ... and talking about the fact that you are praying for somebody.

It remains my choice to do both, neighbor.

Quoted message said:

The prayer is what counts, and I thank you. But talking about it repeatedly adds nothing
constructive to the praying itself ... and to me personally is offensive and off-putting.

The latter is a character flaw, imho.

Quoted message said:

smn

Truly, you remain in my prayers, neighbor.

Humbly,

Andrew

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
heartmdphd.comheartmdphd.comOpen ↗