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  1. Never mind the licence implications, which is best value for money.

    ISTM that for 1:50000 coverage of the whole country Fugawi is cheaper than Anquet which is cheaper
    than Memory-map and all 3 have some sort of height data.

    Given that the maps themselves are standard OS products is the difference in the accuracy of the
    height data? And if it is is that sufficient reason not to opt for Fugawi?

    Or is the real difference that Fugawi is more obviously a foreign concern that the other 2?

    --
    Roger Looking North over the Aire Valley (and Marley Gasworks) to Rombolds Moor Top Posters
    killfiled on sight

  2. Roger Chapman said:

    Given that the maps themselves are standard OS products is the difference in the accuracy of the
    height data? And if it is is that sufficient reason not to opt for Fugawi?


    At the moment only Memory Map has the ability to generate 3D views. This would be important to me.
    Also, if your interest is 1:25,000 (OS) then I believe only Memory Map currently has a product
    available.

  3. Roger Chapman said:

    Never mind the licence implications, which is best value for money.

    ISTM that for 1:50000 coverage of the whole country Fugawi is cheaper than Anquet which is cheaper
    than Memory-map and all 3 have some sort of height data.

    Given that the maps themselves are standard OS products is the difference in the accuracy of the
    height data? And if it is is that sufficient reason not to opt for Fugawi?

    Or is the real difference that Fugawi is more obviously a foreign concern that the other 2?

    Fugawi isn't completely seamless as I understand it. However there is a good overlap between the
    four sections of Fugawi coverage.

    I wouldn't mind betting that the height information is the same in all three formats, they will all
    be using the same OS data or other freely available data from NASA.

    The one fact in Fugawi's favour is that it was designed from the ground up as GPS software. I just
    happen to have a big investment in time and effort as well as $s in Ozi so I don't think I would
    make the change for that. I would be looking for whichever system makes it easiest to do screen
    captures to feed to Ozi. On the other hand I do run a Palm OS PDA so Fugawi would be worth having
    for that but I'd have to get a better PDA I think as my m100 is a budget model and I wouldn't be
    able to get many maps on there with only 2 Mb of memory.
    --
    Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

  4. Phil Cook <[email hidden]> wrote

    SNIP

    Quoted message said:


    The one fact in Fugawi's favour is that it was designed from the ground up as GPS software. I just
    happen to have a big investment in time and effort as well as $s in Ozi so I don't think I would
    make the change for that. I would be looking for whichever system makes it easiest to do screen
    captures to feed to Ozi. On the other hand I do run a Palm OS PDA so Fugawi would be worth having
    for that but I'd have to get a better PDA I think as my m100 is a budget model and I wouldn't be
    able to get many maps on there with only 2 Mb of memory.

    Could you say whether the digital Anquet maps will be portable into OziExplorer etc. (what format
    are they saved in?)

    The basic problem I have is that my Epson scanner of vintage years will not work with computer (OS
    Windows Xp: Epson wont upgrade the drivers to cover Xp in fact I get the brush off) So I either
    trundle out to buy a new scanner £100 roughly or spend money on the Peak set of Anquet for starters.
    --
    david hill

  5. In article <[email hidden]>, Roger Chapman

    url=''URL:/url said:

    Never mind the licence implications, which is best value for money.

    ISTM that for 1:50000 coverage of the whole country Fugawi is cheaper than Anquet which is cheaper
    than Memory-map and all 3 have some sort of height data.

    Given that the maps themselves are standard OS products is the difference in the accuracy of the
    height data? And if it is is that sufficient reason not to opt for Fugawi?

    Or is the real difference that Fugawi is more obviously a foreign concern that the other 2?

    It isn't just a comparison of the maping data, at least not for me, but it is also what you can do
    with the software and how you wish to use the maps and other capabilities of the software.

    Questions I can think of to ask are.

    Do you want to use the maps with a GPS?

    Do you want to both up and download to a GPS, tracklogs, waypoints and routes?

    Do you want to archive GPS data and convert between tracks and routes?

    Do you want to be able to easily edit and store waypoints and use them in different ways?

    Do you want to exchange data with a palmtop? (What operating system?)

    Do you want to use the software to compile interactive notes and diaries including hotlinks to
    directories of notes or photographs?

    Do you want a 3D projection of the maps with superimposed tracks, routes or waypoints?

    Which maps do you want access to?

    Mike <URL:http://www.path.cam.ac.uk/~mrc7/>
    --
    o/ \\ // |\ ,_ o Mike Clark <\__,\\ // __o | \ / /\, "A mountain climbing, cycling, skiing, "> ||
    _`\<,_ |__\ \> | immunology lecturer, antibody engineer and ` || (_)/ (_) | \corn computer user"

  6. In article <[email hidden]>, Roger Chapman
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    The recent suggestion that Fugawis height data is not up to scratch has put me right off Fugawi. An
    accurate track profile at the planning stage is something I would find useful.

    I would email the folk at Fugawi to check the source of their elevation data and its resolution
    before being put off.

    --

    dscs.demon.co.ukdscs.demon.co.uk

  7. In a recent message <[email hidden]>, Roger Chapman
    <[email hidden]> wrote.

    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    Bad form following up oneself but my memory is so bad these days that I had comepletely forgotten
    the recent arrival on the scene of an alternative source of height data to the OS. Someone has
    recently done a radar scan of the whole of GB at an amazing accuracy. We gave the subject an airing
    a few months ago but unfortunately I cannot now recall anything but the barest bones and not even
    the thread title. :-(

    Might this be:

    intermaptechnologies.comintermap library 2003 2.htm

    Regards, Nick.
    --
    Nick Hopton and Anne Hopton Caversham, Reading, England <[email hidden]

  8. In article <[email hidden]>, Roger Chapman
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    The message <[email hidden]> from [email hidden] (RJ
    Webb) contains these words:

    Quoted message said:

    Space shuttle data ftp://edcsgs9.cr.usgs.gov/pub/data/srtm/Eurasia

    Quoted message said:

    For the whole of Eurasia.

    I don't do ftp but surely the space shuttle data would be the US department of Defense data with 30
    arc second spacing referred to earlier.

    No the 30 arc second data has been around for a long time and was known as Digital Terrain Elevation
    Data or DTED. The recently released SRTM data is apparently available in 3 & 1 arc second
    resolutions (I think the 1 arc sec data is only for the USA).

    --

    dscs.demon.co.ukdscs.demon.co.uk

  9. The message <[email hidden]>
    from Chris <proteus1@gmxDOTnet> contains these words:

    Quoted message said:

    At the moment only Memory Map has the ability to generate 3D views. This would be important to me.
    Also, if your interest is 1:25,000 (OS) then I believe only Memory Map currently has a product
    available.

    3D views are the lowest of my priorities atm but if they can generate solid images from the height
    data that data must be pretty comprehensive. To me at least Memory-map is also the the most
    confusing site when it comes to working out what you really need to be up and running.

    As for 1:25000 Anquet currently do Harveys ELD and Highlands and are promising OS coverage of the
    popular areas early 2004.

    Much as I would like to have the best my pension won't stretch to such luxuries and my savings will
    soon be gone if I lashed on out all the kit I would really like. Dreamdirect currently have a cheap
    Fugawi offer (one week only) @ £40 a throw which would cover the whole UK for £160, a saving of
    £40. I am tempted but not not so enthusiastic that I must have.

    --
    Roger Looking North over the Aire Valley (and Marley Gasworks) to Rombolds Moor Top Posters
    killfiled on sight

  10. Phil Cook said:

    I wouldn't mind betting that the height information is the same in all three formats, they will all
    be using the same OS data or other freely available data from NASA.

    My understanding is that Fugawi-UK uses same height DEM info as Fugawi 3 and if this is the case its
    very poor (I use Fugawi 3)

    Quoted message said:

    The one fact in Fugawi's favour is that it was designed from the ground up as GPS software. I just
    happen to have a big investment in time and effort as well as $s in Ozi so I don't think I would
    make the change for that. I would be looking for whichever system makes it easiest to do screen
    captures to feed to Ozi. On the other hand I do run a Palm OS PDA so Fugawi would be worth having
    for that but I'd have to get a better PDA I think as my m100 is a budget model and I wouldn't be
    able to get many maps on there with only 2 Mb of memory.

    It was the deciding factor in my choice: ease of use and intuitiveness. The PDA side was a bonus.
    Now if Fugawi-UK had 1:25k, ability to scan own maps and good DEM data it would be way ahead of the
    competition!

    Mark

  11. The message <[email hidden]>
    from Mike Clark <[email hidden]> contains these words:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Never mind the licence implications, which is best value for money.

    ISTM that for 1:50000 coverage of the whole country Fugawi is cheaper than Anquet which is
    cheaper than Memory-map and all 3 have some sort of height data.

    Given that the maps themselves are standard OS products is the difference in the accuracy of the
    height data? And if it is is that sufficient reason not to opt for Fugawi?

    Or is the real difference that Fugawi is more obviously a foreign concern that the other 2?

    Quoted message said:

    It isn't just a comparison of the maping data, at least not for me, but it is also what you can do
    with the software and how you wish to use the maps and other capabilities of the software.

    The recent suggestion that Fugawis height data is not up to scratch has put me right off Fugawi. An
    accurate track profile at the planning stage is something I would find useful.

    Quoted message said:

    Questions I can think of to ask are.

    Quoted message said:

    Do you want to use the maps with a GPS?

    Not currently, I don't have a mapping GPS.

    Quoted message said:

    Do you want to both up and download to a GPS, tracklogs, waypoints and routes?

    Tracklogs and waypoints (as with Ozi). I don't do routes.

    Quoted message said:

    Do you want to archive GPS data and convert between tracks and routes?

    Archive yes.

    Quoted message said:

    Do you want to be able to easily edit and store waypoints and use them in different ways?

    That sounds too sophisticated for me. :-)

    Quoted message said:

    Do you want to exchange data with a palmtop? (What operating system?)

    Not now and extremely unlikely in the future unless prices of such machines really shrink.

    Quoted message said:

    Do you want to use the software to compile interactive notes and diaries including hotlinks to
    directories of notes or photographs?

    Way over my head. I don't even have a website.

    Quoted message said:

    Do you want a 3D projection of the maps with superimposed tracks, routes or waypoints?

    Not high on my list of priorities at present but when I am old and grey and no longer able to
    walk it would be interesting to see where I went when I was still able to crawl up a few of the
    lesser hills. On second thoughts I think I should rephrase that, in most peoples eyes I am
    already old and grey.

    Quoted message said:

    Which maps do you want access to?

    That's the biggest quandary. The whole country at 1:50,000 is probably overkill but it is not
    obvious how one avoids the large areas of lowland lowlife and still cover the good walking areas.
    1:25,000 would be a luxury as I have paper cover for most of the areas I frequent these days.

    --
    Roger Looking North over the Aire Valley (and Marley Gasworks) to Rombolds Moor Top Posters
    killfiled on sight

  12. The message <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The recent suggestion that Fugawis height data is not up to scratch has put me right off Fugawi.
    An accurate track profile at the planning stage is something I would find useful.

    Quoted message said:

    I would email the folk at Fugawi to check the source of their elevation data and its resolution
    before being put off.

    According to Fugawi the OS wouldn't licence the elevation data to them so they use the US department
    of Defense data with 30 arc second spacing or about 900 metres. That is much much worse than the
    quoted 50 metre spacing for Anquet. I presume Memory-map must be of the same order as Anquet or
    perhaps even better. Anyone know?

    --
    Roger Looking North over the Aire Valley (and Marley Gasworks) to Rombolds Moor Top Posters
    killfiled on sight

  13. The message <[email hidden]>
    from Nick Hopton <[email hidden]> contains these words:

    Quoted message said:

    Might this be:

    Quoted message said:

    intermaptechnologies.comintermap library 2003 2.htm

    That was it. Thanks.

    --
    Roger Looking North over the Aire Valley (and Marley Gasworks) to Rombolds Moor Top Posters
    killfiled on sight

  14. david hill said:

    Could you say whether the digital Anquet maps will be portable into OziExplorer etc. (what format
    are they saved in?)

    No useable format. You'd have to use a screengrabber to cut and paste bits together.

    Quoted message said:

    The basic problem I have is that my Epson scanner of vintage years will not work with computer (OS
    Windows Xp: Epson wont upgrade the drivers to cover Xp in fact I get the brush off)

    Same with my Minolta SCSI film scanner (not that it matters now I've bought a new one).

    Paul
    --
    The October Project 2003
    wildwales.fsnet.co.ukoctober.html
    wilderness-wales.co.ukwilderness-wales.co.uk
    photosig.comuserphotos

  15. Roger Chapman said:

    3D views are the lowest of my priorities atm but if they can generate solid images from the height
    data that data must be pretty comprehensive.

    1 point every 50m I think. There's a FAQ on Anquet's site.

    Paul
    --
    The October Project 2003
    wildwales.fsnet.co.ukoctober.html
    wilderness-wales.co.ukwilderness-wales.co.uk
    photosig.comuserphotos

  16. Roger Chapman said:
    Quoted message said:

    Do you want to use the maps with a GPS?

    Not currently, I don't have a mapping GPS.

    I don't think that's what was meant. Any GPS will do.

    Paul
    --
    The October Project 2003 - Updated
    wildwales.fsnet.co.ukoctober.html
    wilderness-wales.co.ukwilderness-wales.co.uk
    photosig.comuserphotos

  17. The message <[email hidden]>
    from Roger Chapman <[email hidden]> contains these words:

    Quoted message said:

    According to Fugawi the OS wouldn't licence the elevation data to them so they use the US
    department of Defense data with 30 arc second spacing or about 900 metres. That is much much worse
    than the quoted 50 metre spacing for Anquet. I presume Memory-map must be of the same order as
    Anquet or perhaps even better. Anyone know?

    Bad form following up oneself but my memory is so bad these days that I had comepletely forgotten
    the recent arrival on the scene of an alternative source of height data to the OS. Someone has
    recently done a radar scan of the whole of GB at an amazing accuracy. We gave the subject an airing
    a few months ago but unfortunately I cannot now recall anything but the barest bones and not even
    the thread title. :-(

    --
    Roger Looking North over the Aire Valley (and Marley Gasworks) to Rombolds Moor Top Posters
    killfiled on sight

  18. Roger Chapman said:
    Quoted message said:

    Do you want to use the software to compile interactive notes and diaries including hotlinks to
    directories of notes or photographs?

    Way over my head. I don't even have a website.

    Whilst I don't have a website, as such, when I've got my Route sorted I put a screendump copy on my
    website space and give address to whoever is acting as "safety". A couple of texts during the hike
    to update location and I have the reassurance that when I fall into a crevasse someone'll have some
    idea of where I am, when I fail to report in!!

    Mark

  19. Roger Chapman said:

    The message <[email hidden]> from Roger Chapman <[email hidden]> contains
    these words:

    Quoted message said:

    According to Fugawi the OS wouldn't licence the elevation data to them so they use the US
    department of Defense data with 30 arc second spacing or about 900 metres. That is much much
    worse than the quoted 50 metre spacing for Anquet. I presume Memory-map must be of the same order
    as Anquet or perhaps even better. Anyone know?

    Bad form following up oneself but my memory is so bad these days that I had comepletely forgotten
    the recent arrival on the scene of an alternative source of height data to the OS. Someone has
    recently done a radar scan of the whole of GB at an amazing accuracy. We gave the subject an airing
    a few months ago but unfortunately I cannot now recall anything but the barest bones and not even
    the thread title. :-(

    Space shuttle data ftp://edcsgs9.cr.usgs.gov/pub/data/srtm/Eurasia

    For the whole of Eurasia.

    How you read it though?

    Richard Webb

  20. The message <[email hidden]>
    from [email hidden] (RJ Webb) contains these words:

    Quoted message said:

    Space shuttle data ftp://edcsgs9.cr.usgs.gov/pub/data/srtm/Eurasia

    Quoted message said:

    For the whole of Eurasia.

    I don't do ftp but surely the space shuttle data would be the US department of Defense data with 30
    arc second spacing referred to earlier.

    --
    Roger Looking North over the Aire Valley (and Marley Gasworks) to Rombolds Moor Top Posters
    killfiled on sight

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