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  1. celltech.comresponse.asp

    Does Super Blue Green Algae contain Anatoxin-a?(posted 6-19-
    01) One individual was responsible for a great deal of
    miscommunication regarding anatoxin-a, information which is
    still accessible on many Internet sites. Cell Tech sued Mark
    Thorson for posting defamatory statements about Cell Tech,
    its products and its personnel to various Internet or Usenet
    news groups. Cell Tech's lawsuit against Mr. Thorson has now
    been settled. As part of the settlement agreement, Mr.
    Thorson has posted the Retraction Statement that appears
    below. Although he did retract the allegations that he had
    been widely circulating, we all know that one cannot, with a
    single correct statement, undo all the harm done by many mis-
    statements that continue to circulate.

    The following is a retraction statement that Mark Thorson
    has posted to various newsgroups:

    Subject: Retraction of Anatoxin-a Primer

    During the last several years, I have from time to time
    posted to this and other newsgroups a file of information
    called "An Anatoxin-a Primer." I now retract the statements
    made in the Anatoxin-a Primer.

    The Anatoxin-a Primer implied that Super Blue Green Algae
    from Klamath Lake, produced by Cell Tech, contains anatoxin-
    a (a neurotoxin I characterized as addictive), and that Cell
    Tech deliberately avoids testing for this toxin because anatoxin-
    a is responsible for the effects reported by SBGA users. I
    have since been advised that Cell Tech conducts regular
    tests that would disclose anatoxin-a, and that this toxin
    has never been found in Super Blue Green Algae. I had no
    basis for the suggestions I made in the Anatoxin-a Primer,
    and I hereby retract it in full.

  2. Jan said:

    celltech.comresp
    onse.asp

    Does Super Blue Green Algae contain Anatoxin-a?(posted 6-19-
    01) One individual was responsible for a great deal of
    miscommunication regarding anatoxin-a, information which
    is still accessible on many Internet sites. Cell Tech sued
    Mark Thorson for posting defamatory statements about Cell
    Tech, its products and its personnel to various Internet
    or Usenet news groups. Cell Tech's lawsuit against Mr.
    Thorson has now been settled. As part of the settlement
    agreement, Mr. Thorson has posted the Retraction Statement
    that appears below. Although he did retract the
    allegations that he had been widely circulating, we all
    know that one cannot, with a single correct statement,
    undo all the harm done by many mis-statements that
    continue to circulate.

    The following is a retraction statement that Mark Thorson
    has posted to various newsgroups:

    Subject: Retraction of Anatoxin-a Primer

    During the last several years, I have from time to time
    posted to this and other newsgroups a file of information
    called "An Anatoxin-a Primer." I now retract the
    statements made in the Anatoxin-a Primer.

    The Anatoxin-a Primer implied that Super Blue Green Algae
    from Klamath Lake, produced by Cell Tech, contains anatoxin-
    a (a neurotoxin I characterized as addictive), and that
    Cell Tech deliberately avoids testing for this toxin
    because anatoxin-a is responsible for the effects reported
    by SBGA users. I have since been advised that Cell Tech
    conducts regular tests that would disclose anatoxin-a, and
    that this toxin has never been found in Super Blue Green
    Algae. I had no basis for the suggestions I made in the
    Anatoxin-a Primer, and I hereby retract it in full.

    But nowhere in the retraction does it say any of my
    statements were false, much less lies. If any of my
    statements were false, please show me an example. Why won't
    you do that, Jan? Why won't you show an example of one of
    these statements that you claim are lies? An original
    statement, made by me, which is a LIE. Why don't you do
    that, Jan?

    It's because you can't. None of my statments were lies. Any
    statement I made about Cell Tech or their algae that you
    could choose to post would OBVIOUSLY NOT be a LIE.

    But go ahead, Jan. Prove me wrong, if you can.

    On the other hand, there are many statements you have made
    about me which are OBVIOUSLY LIES. I can quote your exact
    words, which anybody can see are completely FALSE
    ACCUSATIONS. You do it all the time.

    Here is an example:

    Jan said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: Mark Thorson [email hidden]

    Instead of responding to what you say, Jan is trying to
    discredit you by making insinuations about who you are or
    what your motives may be.

    Soon, she may accuse you of being on the payroll of the
    pharmaceutical companies, etc. That's the way Jan works.

    That would be ANOTHER LIE from Mark Thorson. I have
    NEVER accused


    anyone of

    Quoted message said:

    any such thing.

    So do prove your claim Mark!!!!!

    You can't YOU JUST LIED AGAIN!!!!!!!

    ----- example quotes of Jan accusing people of being paid
    shills -----

    Whatever organized medicine says is swallowed hook line and
    sinker by the shill EGO handicapped debunkers who are
    brainwashed.

    Any time alt. health is mentioned the personal trashing
    starts. Mostly comes from paid shill Mark Probert.

    Internet bully Mark Probert who is a paid shill and lives
    off his wife.

    As for Mark, he is a paid shill and lives off his wife.

    As long as Mark is here, the paid shill will call names
    when in fact he is the one who is a bigot. Speaking of his
    own people.

  3. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Making Retractions-Having NO basis for LIES
    From: Mark Thorson [email hidden]
    Date: 3/28/2004 2:05 PM Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>

    Jan said:

    celltech.comrespo
    nse.asp

    Does Super Blue Green Algae contain Anatoxin-a?(posted
    6-19-01) One individual was responsible for a great deal
    of miscommunication


    regarding

    Quoted message said:

    anatoxin-a, information which is still accessible on many
    Internet sites.


    Cell

    Quoted message said:

    Tech sued Mark Thorson for posting defamatory statements
    about Cell Tech,


    its

    Quoted message said:

    products and its personnel to various Internet or Usenet
    news groups. Cell Tech's lawsuit against Mr. Thorson has
    now been settled. As part of the settlement agreement,
    Mr. Thorson has posted the Retraction Statement that
    appears below. Although he did retract the allegations
    that he had been


    widely

    Quoted message said:

    circulating, we all know that one cannot, with a single
    correct statement,


    undo

    Quoted message said:

    all the harm done by many mis-statements that continue to
    circulate.

    The following is a retraction statement that Mark Thorson
    has posted to


    various

    Quoted message said:

    newsgroups:

    Subject: Retraction of Anatoxin-a Primer

    During the last several years, I have from time to time
    posted to this and other newsgroups a file of information
    called "An Anatoxin-a Primer." I now retract the
    statements made in the Anatoxin-a Primer.

    The Anatoxin-a Primer implied that Super Blue Green Algae
    from Klamath


    Lake,

    Quoted message said:

    produced by Cell Tech, contains anatoxin-a (a neurotoxin
    I characterized as addictive), and that Cell Tech
    deliberately avoids testing for this toxin because anatoxin-
    a is responsible for the effects reported by SBGA users.
    I have since been advised that Cell Tech conducts regular
    tests that would disclose anatoxin-a, and that this toxin
    has never been found in Super Blue Green Algae. I had no
    basis for the suggestions I made in the Anatoxin-a
    Primer, and I hereby retract it in full.

    Having no basis and accusing others of anything done
    deliberately, is lying.

    End of discussion.

    Jan

  4. [email hidden] (Jan) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:


    Having no basis and accusing others of anything done
    deliberately, is lying.

    End of discussion.

    Jan

    Thanks for your admission, Jan. Of course we can let
    it drop.....

  5. Jan the Accuser said:

    Having no basis and accusing others of anything done
    deliberately, is lying.

    End of discussion.

    Jan

    But why won't you post an example of an ORIGINAL statement I
    made which is a LIE? Why won't you do that, Jan?

    Then, everybody could see for themselves whether or not I
    lied. Everybody could decide for themselves whether your
    accusation is true. Why don't you want people to do that?

    Is it because any statement you could choose would OBVIOUSLY
    not be a LIE? Is that it, Jan? Is it because that would
    prove that your accusation is FALSE?

    Maybe you need some help seeing what an ORIGINAL statement
    which is OBVIOUSLY a LIE looks like. Let me help you.

    Jan said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: Mark Thorson [email hidden]

    Instead of responding to what you say, Jan is trying to
    discredit you by making insinuations about who you are or
    what your motives may be.

    Soon, she may accuse you of being on the payroll of the
    pharmaceutical companies, etc. That's the way Jan works.

    That would be ANOTHER LIE from Mark Thorson. I have
    NEVER accused


    anyone of

    Quoted message said:

    any such thing.

    So do prove your claim Mark!!!!!

    You can't YOU JUST LIED AGAIN!!!!!!!

    ----- example quotes of Jan accusing people of being paid
    shills -----

    Whatever organized medicine says is swallowed hook line and
    sinker by the shill EGO handicapped debunkers who are
    brainwashed.

    Any time alt. health is mentioned the personal trashing
    starts. Mostly comes from paid shill Mark Probert.

    Internet bully Mark Probert who is a paid shill and lives
    off his wife.

    As for Mark, he is a paid shill and lives off his wife.

    As long as Mark is here, the paid shill will call names
    when in fact he is the one who is a bigot. Speaking of his
    own people.

  6. (Jan) said:

    Having no basis and accusing others of anything done
    deliberately, is lying.

    End of discussion.

    Jan

    Jan Drew describes Jan Drew's desolate situation.

    Jan Drew is a danger for unknowing persons and should be put
    into jail. As soon as possible. And as long as possible.

    The FAQ about Jan Drew :

    geocities.comQuackery.html

    Regards,

    Aribert Deckers
    --
    *** DER NEUE VEREIN ***

    ariplex.comama p0.htm

  7. Dear Jan,

    If you like, you may do a search for "Algavore" to see
    something of my experience regarding this topic.

    Like most anyone today -- I'm sure you know how annoying it
    is to open your email box and find it clogged with
    unsolicited spam messages.

    Relatedly, "netiquette" used to require that visitors to
    USENET and other groups maintain the same kind of decorum
    that would be socially acceptable in a non-anonymous
    setting, namely being respectful of the community and
    keeping within the bounds of appropriate decorum within
    that group.

    Certainly not "spamming" it.

    That, however, is exactly what occurred and eager though
    indiscreet Cell Tech distributors breached ongoing threads
    and with un germane solicitations promoting CT products.

    In exasperation, Mark Thorson began posting his researched
    memorandums in response to these intrusions in the hope of
    halting them.

    You will find, on close reading, that his "repostings" are
    always in response to such a spamming.

    In fact, he frequently offered publicly to cease publishing
    them if spammers would cease intruding inappropriately.

    I specifically asked principals at Cell Tech to establish
    and publish a simple rule enjoining Cell Tech distributors
    from so doing.

    They did not do so.

    Hence (in my opinion) the entire unnecessary affair.

    The problem was further compounded (again my opinion) by
    Christian Drapeau's condescending, arrogant and evasive
    responses to Mark Thorson's posts.

    Regarding Microcystin, Christian wrote me that although he
    conceded that they "irreversibly bound to liver enzymes"
    that it was not "cumulative" because these enzymes "rolled
    over" naturally according to "many studies."

    When I asked him to provide a citation regarding this, his
    final (of many which I have on record) emails to me
    dismissed the subject by saying that I obviously would
    "rather believe Mark Thorson's lies."

    (He also repeatedly maintained that Mark Thorson was "not
    qualified to interpret the scientific evidence" , although,
    as it happens, Drapeau's qualifications are virtually equal
    to Thorson's.)

    In any case, the consequence of Drapeau's responses and Cell
    Tech's refusal to establish a rule requiring CT distributors
    not to spam USENET, is that for essentially all future time,
    anyone doing a USENET (google group) search for such terms
    as "super blue green algae" will find those threads.

    Should Cell Tech reenter momentous growth attracting media
    attention again, some reporter will no doubt find a ready
    source of exciting material which will quench that product's
    expansion.

    Which is a shame.

    (The algae did help a lot of people including saving my
    girlfriend's life outright and dramatically helped many
    others I personally know of.)

    Ultimately though, the Great Microcystin Mismanagement all
    but wiped out a very solid near $5000. gross monthly
    household income for me which I worked very hard to create.

    Lots of people lost homes, families, and you may know of one
    very lovely Double Diamond - is not around any more.

    The whole thing is very sad.

    But in my opinion - Mark Thorson did not "cause" it and
    personally I do not in any way feel that personal aspersions
    regarding his integrity are at all appropriate.

    It was all unnecessary.

    What's done is done and I encourage you to reconsider your
    joust with Mark Thorson in light of this information and the
    actual impact of keeping this dead horse afoot.

    I do sincerely believe that the algae is safe and excellent
    at this time.

    And I hope Cell Tech remains alive and experiences wellness.

    I wish the same for you and Mark as well. Peace.

    *{:-> Patrick Babcock (Cell Tech Distributor since 1989)

  8. Jan the Accuser said:

    I've already found them as you can see above, regardless
    of what the distributors were doing it didn't give Mark
    the right to make up stories and say Cell didn't test
    *deliberately*, because that clearly is and was a *lie*.

    But why won't you post an example of an ORIGINAL statement I
    made which is a LIE? Why won't you do that, Jan?

    Then, everybody could see for themselves whether or not I
    lied. Everybody could decide for themselves whether your
    accusation is true. Why don't you want people to do that?

    Is it because any statement you could choose would OBVIOUSLY
    not be a LIE? Is that it, Jan? Is it because that would
    prove that your accusation is FALSE?

    Maybe you need some help seeing what an ORIGINAL statement
    which is OBVIOUSLY a LIE looks like. Let me help you.

    Jan said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: Mark Thorson [email hidden]

    Instead of responding to what you say, Jan is trying to
    discredit you by making insinuations about who you are or
    what your motives may be.

    Soon, she may accuse you of being on the payroll of the
    pharmaceutical companies, etc. That's the way Jan works.

    That would be ANOTHER LIE from Mark Thorson. I have
    NEVER accused


    anyone of

    Quoted message said:

    any such thing.

    So do prove your claim Mark!!!!!

    You can't YOU JUST LIED AGAIN!!!!!!!

    ----- example quotes of Jan accusing people of being paid
    shills -----

    Whatever organized medicine says is swallowed hook line and
    sinker by the shill EGO handicapped debunkers who are
    brainwashed.

    Any time alt. health is mentioned the personal trashing
    starts. Mostly comes from paid shill Mark Probert.

    Internet bully Mark Probert who is a paid shill and lives
    off his wife.

    As for Mark, he is a paid shill and lives off his wife.

    As long as Mark is here, the paid shill will call names
    when in fact he is the one who is a bigot. Speaking of his
    own people.

  9. Jan the Accuser said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: [email hidden] (Patrick)

    Dear Jan,

    What's done is done and I encourage you to reconsider
    your joust with Mark Thorson in light of this information
    and the actual impact of keeping this dead horse afoot.

    AMEN!!!!!!!

    Have you noticed it is HE who insanely keeps it
    alive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Who started this thread? It was YOU, Jan.

    Quoted message said:

    I have asked him to drop it over and over and over, he
    won't, he can't. He does NOT know when to shut up!!!!!

    You would love that. You would love to be able to make FALSE
    ACCUSATIONS against honest people, and not be asked to back
    up your claims with evidence.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I do sincerely believe that the algae is safe and
    excellent at this time.

    And I hope Cell Tech remains alive and experiences
    wellness.

    Quoted message said:

    I wish the same for you and Mark as well. Peace.

    Quoted message said:

    *{:-> Patrick Babcock (Cell Tech Distributor since 1989)

    Please do a search and see HOW MANY times I have asked him
    to drop it!!

    Jan

    You would love that. You would love to be able to make FALSE
    ACCUSATIONS against honest people, and not be asked to back
    up your claims with evidence.

    Why won't you post an example of an ORIGINAL statement I
    made which is a LIE? Why won't you do that, Jan?

    Then, everybody could see for themselves whether or not I
    lied. Everybody could decide for themselves whether your
    accusation is true. Why don't you want people to do that?

    Is it because any statement you could choose would OBVIOUSLY
    not be a LIE? Is that it, Jan? Is it because that would
    prove that your accusation is FALSE?

    Maybe you need some help seeing what an ORIGINAL statement
    which is OBVIOUSLY a LIE looks like. Let me help you.

    Jan said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: Mark Thorson [email hidden]

    Instead of responding to what you say, Jan is trying to
    discredit you by making insinuations about who you are or
    what your motives may be.

    Soon, she may accuse you of being on the payroll of the
    pharmaceutical companies, etc. That's the way Jan works.

    That would be ANOTHER LIE from Mark Thorson. I have
    NEVER accused


    anyone of

    Quoted message said:

    any such thing.

    So do prove your claim Mark!!!!!

    You can't YOU JUST LIED AGAIN!!!!!!!

    ----- example quotes of Jan accusing people of being paid
    shills -----

    Whatever organized medicine says is swallowed hook line and
    sinker by the shill EGO handicapped debunkers who are
    brainwashed.

    Any time alt. health is mentioned the personal trashing
    starts. Mostly comes from paid shill Mark Probert.

    Internet bully Mark Probert who is a paid shill and lives
    off his wife.

    As for Mark, he is a paid shill and lives off his wife.

    As long as Mark is here, the paid shill will call names
    when in fact he is the one who is a bigot. Speaking of his
    own people.

  10. Jan the Accuser said:

    The original bit is just another ploy that backfired. As
    anyone knows if it proved *I* lied and Mark didn't, he
    would have posted it long ago.

    Proof? You want proof that you LIED?

    To see Jan's ORIGINAL POSTING, go here:w.google.com/groups?selm=20040310000815.25804.00001173%40mb-
    m01.aol.com

    Jan said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: Mark Thorson [email hidden]

    Instead of responding to what you say, Jan is trying to
    discredit you by making insinuations about who you are or
    what your motives may be.

    Soon, she may accuse you of being on the payroll of the
    pharmaceutical companies, etc. That's the way Jan works.

    That would be ANOTHER LIE from Mark Thorson. I have
    NEVER accused


    anyone of

    Quoted message said:

    any such thing.

    So do prove your claim Mark!!!!!

    You can't YOU JUST LIED AGAIN!!!!!!!

    ----- example quotes of Jan accusing people of being paid
    shills -----

    Whatever organized medicine says is swallowed hook line and
    sinker by the shill EGO handicapped debunkers who are
    brainwashed.

    Any time alt. health is mentioned the personal trashing
    starts. Mostly comes from paid shill Mark Probert.

    Internet bully Mark Probert who is a paid shill and lives
    off his wife.

    As for Mark, he is a paid shill and lives off his wife.

    As long as Mark is here, the paid shill will call names
    when in fact he is the one who is a bigot. Speaking of his
    own people.

  11. Patrick said:

    And I hope Cell Tech remains alive and experiences
    wellness.

    I wish the same for you and Mark as well. Peace.

    And I wish the same to you, Patrick. There's a lot more to
    this story than has been revealed publicly, and I hope to do
    that soon, but not quite yet.

    In the meantime, here's a quote from filing Cell Tech made
    with the SEC yesterday:

    The Company's revenues for the year ended December 31, 2003
    are expected to be approximately $22.2 million, compared to
    approximately $26.2 million for the year ended December 31,
    2002. This decrease was primarily due to a 14% decrease in
    the number of distributors and resulting orders for the same
    period. We expect to record a net loss of approximately $5.7
    million for the year ended December 31, 2003, compared to
    net loss of approximately $3.5 million for the year ended
    December 31, 2002. The increased loss was due primarily to a
    decrease in net revenues of 17% and to additional impairment
    write-offs.

    sec.gov000114420404
    004143/v02449.txt

  12. Jan the Accuser said:

    SHOW US,SHOW US, SHOW US.

    Are you just pretending to be STUPID?

    You claimed I lied.

    I claim that ANY STATEMENT made by me about Cell Tech or
    their algae that you could choose to post as an example of
    one of these LIES would OBVIOUSLY not be a LIE.

    YOU are the one making the claim I lied.

    It is YOUR responsibility to back up that claim with
    an example.

    But you don't want to be pinned down to any one statement,
    because you KNOW that would make it obvious you have made a
    FALSE accusation.

    Quoted message said:

    If it was OBVIOUS, you would have posted it long ago, post
    the original, show us the exact words.

    If I chose an example, you would claim the LIE was some
    other statement.

    You would try anything to weasel out of being pinned down to
    any specific statement.

    Quoted message said:

    You can't, youR lies and *claims* have caught up
    with you.

    No, it hasn't. I claim that ANY statement I made about the
    algae is OBVIOUSLY not a LIE. That claim stands. You have
    been UNABLE to disprove it.

    Quoted message said:

    You are insane not to show us the ORIGINAL *IF* it
    OBVIOUSLY shows you did not lie.

    YOU are the one claiming that I told a LIE. But you won't
    post any ORIGINAL STATEMENT from me which is a LIE.

    Because you CAN'T.

    ANY STATEMENT of mine about Cell Tech or their algae you
    could choose to post would OBVIOUSLY not be a LIE.

    If you disagree with that, then post one of these LIES you
    claim I told.

    You won't do that, because then it would be OBVIOUS to
    everybody that you made a FALSE ACCUSATION against me when
    you claimed I lied.

    Quoted message said:

    If it showed that I lied, and everybody would know, you
    would have posted it long ago.

    The end.

    Jan

    I've done it, several times. I've posted one (of many)
    examples of an ORIGINAL STATEMENT made by you which is a
    LIE. (See below.)

    To see Jan's ORIGINAL POSTING, go here:w.google.com/groups?selm=20040310000815.25804.00001173%40mb-
    m01.aol.com

    Jan said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: Mark Thorson [email hidden]

    Instead of responding to what you say, Jan is trying to
    discredit you by making insinuations about who you are or
    what your motives may be.

    Soon, she may accuse you of being on the payroll of the
    pharmaceutical companies, etc. That's the way Jan works.

    That would be ANOTHER LIE from Mark Thorson. I have
    NEVER accused


    anyone of

    Quoted message said:

    any such thing.

    So do prove your claim Mark!!!!!

    You can't YOU JUST LIED AGAIN!!!!!!!

    ----- example quotes of Jan accusing people of being paid
    shills -----

    Whatever organized medicine says is swallowed hook line and
    sinker by the shill EGO handicapped debunkers who are
    brainwashed.

    Any time alt. health is mentioned the personal trashing
    starts. Mostly comes from paid shill Mark Probert.

    Internet bully Mark Probert who is a paid shill and lives
    off his wife.

    As for Mark, he is a paid shill and lives off his wife.

    As long as Mark is here, the paid shill will call names
    when in fact he is the one who is a bigot. Speaking of his
    own people.

  13. Jan the Accuser said:

    SHOW US,SHOW US, SHOW US.

    Are you just pretending to be STUPID?

    You claimed I lied.

    I claim that ANY STATEMENT made by me about Cell Tech or
    their algae that you could choose to post as an example of
    one of these LIES would OBVIOUSLY not be a LIE.

    YOU are the one making the claim I lied.

    It is YOUR responsibility to back up that claim with
    an example.

    But you don't want to be pinned down to any one statement,
    because you KNOW that would make it obvious you have made a
    FALSE accusation.

    Quoted message said:

    If it was OBVIOUS, you would have posted it long ago, post
    the original, show us the exact words.

    If I chose an example, you would claim the LIE was some
    other statement.

    You would try anything to weasel out of being pinned down to
    any specific statement.

    Quoted message said:

    You can't, youR lies and *claims* have caught up
    with you.

    No, it hasn't. I claim that ANY statement I made about the
    algae is OBVIOUSLY not a LIE. That claim stands. You have
    been UNABLE to disprove it.

    Quoted message said:

    You are insane not to show us the ORIGINAL *IF* it
    OBVIOUSLY shows you did not lie.

    YOU are the one claiming that I told a LIE. But you won't
    post any ORIGINAL STATEMENT from me which is a LIE.

    Because you CAN'T.

    ANY STATEMENT of mine about Cell Tech or their algae you
    could choose to post would OBVIOUSLY not be a LIE.

    If you disagree with that, then post one of these LIES you
    claim I told.

    You won't do that, because then it would be OBVIOUS to
    everybody that you made a FALSE ACCUSATION against me when
    you claimed I lied.

    Quoted message said:

    If it showed that I lied, and everybody would know, you
    would have posted it long ago.

    The end.

    Jan

    I've done it, several times. I've posted one (of many)
    examples of an ORIGINAL STATEMENT made by you which is a
    LIE. (See below.)

    To see Jan's ORIGINAL POSTING, go here:w.google.com/groups?selm=20040310000815.25804.00001173%40mb-
    m01.aol.com

    Jan said:
    Quoted message said:

    From: Mark Thorson [email hidden]

    Instead of responding to what you say, Jan is trying to
    discredit you by making insinuations about who you are or
    what your motives may be.

    Soon, she may accuse you of being on the payroll of the
    pharmaceutical companies, etc. That's the way Jan works.

    That would be ANOTHER LIE from Mark Thorson. I have
    NEVER accused


    anyone of

    Quoted message said:

    any such thing.

    So do prove your claim Mark!!!!!

    You can't YOU JUST LIED AGAIN!!!!!!!

    ----- example quotes of Jan accusing people of being paid
    shills -----

    Whatever organized medicine says is swallowed hook line and
    sinker by the shill EGO handicapped debunkers who are
    brainwashed.

    Any time alt. health is mentioned the personal trashing
    starts. Mostly comes from paid shill Mark Probert.

    Internet bully Mark Probert who is a paid shill and lives
    off his wife.

    As for Mark, he is a paid shill and lives off his wife.

    As long as Mark is here, the paid shill will call names
    when in fact he is the one who is a bigot. Speaking of his
    own people.

  14. I too have been watching the SEC filings with concern over
    the last several years.

    I do -feel- that the product safety issue is not a concern
    at this time and I certainly continue to observe sometimes
    dramatic benefits with its use, but have not solicited new
    consumers for some time; what is your perspective on it's
    current safety?

    I have not promoted it as business opportunity since 1997.

    I would like to be able to recommend both but as Cell Tech
    itself indicates in SEC filings that its future is
    uncertain, I cannot without at least apprising new potential
    affiliates of these filings.

    For me it therefor remains a catch22.

    Sincerely,

    Patrick

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