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  1. [email hidden] wrote:
    :: Jim Flom writes:
    ::
    :::: Not at all. I suggest you build a few and then realize
    :::: what it is you need or prefer. If you have the stuff, I
    :::: can't say which parts you don't need but I'm not sure
    :::: you have the best for your needs. Many truing stands
    :::: have useless gimmicks that do no good and others are
    :::: hard to use in the position you work in.
    ::
    ::: Have you ever thought about making Jobst Brandt Designer
    ::: wheeling building tools in cooperation with park or
    ::: someone? I bet you could make a whole bunch of money
    ::: making tools people can use.
    ::
    :: The only tool I designed was the tensiometer shown in the
    :: book and that instrument, built by Avocet, is "out of
    :: print" because at the time few people saw a need for it
    :: and those who used it did not appreciate the features it
    :: had. It supports the spoke from the same side as the
    :: measurement so spoke thickness does not enter the
    :: measurement, it can be zeroed as it is applied to the
    :: spoke to be measured, it uses ball bearing spoke support
    :: so that cosine error of spoke deflection does not cause
    :: frictional errors, it is a one handed instrument using a
    :: high precision dial gauge so that the test load can be
    :: small and not alter existing tension.
    ::
    :: DT sold most of the production run before deciding to
    :: make their own in Switzerland. Their instrument does not
    :: encompass all of these features.
    ::

    Sure sounds like opportunity to me, Jobst....

  2. Roger Zoul said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Not at all. I suggest you build a few and then realize
    > what it is you need or prefer. If you have the stuff, I
    > can't say which parts you don't need but I'm not sure
    > you have the best for your needs. Many truing stands
    > have useless gimmicks that do no good and others are
    > hard to use in the position you work in.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Have you ever thought about making Jobst Brandt Designer
    wheeling building tools in cooperation with park or
    someone? I bet you could make a whole bunch of money
    making tools people can use.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The only tool I designed was the tensiometer shown in the
    book and that instrument, built by Avocet, is "out of
    print" because at the time few people saw a need for it
    and those who used it did not appreciate the features it
    had. It supports the spoke from the same side as the
    measurement so spoke thickness does not enter the
    measurement, it can be zeroed as it is applied to the
    spoke to be measured, it uses ball bearing spoke support
    so that cosine error of spoke deflection does not cause
    frictional errors, it is a one handed instrument using a
    high precision dial gauge so that the test load can be
    small and not alter existing tension.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    DT sold most of the production run before deciding to
    make their own in Switzerland. Their instrument does not
    encompass all of these features.

    Quoted message said:

    Sure sounds like opportunity to me, Jobst....

    You can do it. I have made the drawings available to many
    people who wanted to build their own. I haven't heard from
    any of these people that built one. In fact, I have talked
    to bicycle tool people at InterBike and got yawns and "I
    hear my mother calling me for lunch" comments and the like.
    The tensiometer is dead as a product.

    Jobst Brandt [email hidden]

  3. Roger Zoul said:

    tinyurl.com37ewh (a truing stand)

    Cheap. Better than using an upside-down bike frame,
    probably. I say yes.

    Quoted message said:

    tinyurl.com2l2n3 (a tensiometer) <== I'd like to
    spend way less

    You don't need it. Build a few and see if you still want
    one. If you do, it won't seem so expensive.

    Quoted message said:

    tinyurl.com2ar66 (a spoke wrench set)

    Unless you'll be wrenching on other folks bikes with OEM
    wheels, just get the black Park wrench. Var makes a nicer
    one, but getting good tension with the Park wrench will
    enforce discipline vis-a-vis nipple lubrication and proper
    wrench seating.

    Quoted message said:

    tinyurl.comysaln (a dishing tool)

    Cheap. Sorta junky, but it'll do. You can build perfect
    wheels without this tool if you are motivated to do so. I
    always use a dishing tool when one is available, though.

    Quoted message said:

    Is this good stuff for the price?

    The prices are good, and the stuff is plenty good enough.
    Before you go buying a tensiometer or a DT Speicheschlüssel
    or the like, you'd best know whether or not you consider
    building wheels to be worthy entertainment. If so, why not
    afford yourself all the mod cons? If not, then why bother?

    Oh, you forgot one thing-- a nipple driver:
    bicycletool.comwheelt.html It
    amplifies wheelbuilding enjoyment (Radgebäudegenuß)
    tremendously.

    Chalo Colina

  4. Quoted message said:

    Is this good stuff for the price?

    Thank God I work at a bike shop and can use the tools there
    😉

    --
    Phil, Squid-in-Training

  5. Quoted message said:

    You can do it. I have made the drawings available to many
    people who wanted to build their own. I haven't heard from
    any of these people that built one. In fact, I have talked
    to bicycle tool people at InterBike and got yawns and "I
    hear my mother calling me for lunch" comments and the
    like. The tensiometer is dead as a product.

    You need to color it blue and write "Park Tools" in white
    letters on it. Then it will sell...

    --
    Phil, Squid-in-Training

  6. Chalo Colina said:

    Oh, you forgot one thing-- a nipple driver:

    bicycletool.comwheelt.html

    Quoted message said:

    It amplifies wheelbuilding enjoyment (Radgeb?udegenu?)
    tremendously.

    That doesn't translate well. Rad-geb?ude-genu? uses the
    wrong kind of building, one that has doors and windows. You
    need an idiomatic translator. The appropriate word would be
    Rad-bau-genu?.

    Just the same next to a spoke wrench, this is my next most
    important tool and is one that is inexpensive for what it
    does. I still like the VAR one size spoke wrench because it
    can be twirled between fingers, is always the right size,
    and can engage the spoke nipple from the side. Spoke
    wrenches that drive four corners of a spoke nipple are
    predicated on not lubricating the rim to spoke nipple
    interface, a bad thing to do in the first place. A flat
    jawed wrench is enough to twist off any spoke I have
    encountered, but only if the rime seats are oiled.

    Jobst Brandt [email hidden]

  7. Quoted message said:


    Chalo Colina said:


    Oh, you forgot one thing-- a nipple driver:

    bicycletool.comwheelt.html

    It amplifies wheelbuilding enjoyment (Radgeb?udegenu?)
    tremendously.

    That doesn't translate well. Rad-geb?ude-genu? uses the
    wrong kind of building, one that has doors and windows.
    You need an idiomatic translator. The appropriate word
    would be Rad-bau-genu?.

    Thanks. I don't sprech the Deutsch and don't intend to
    acquire that skill, but I thought I'd toss that in to keep
    the Speicheschlüssel (or is it Nippelschlüssel?) company.

    Chalo Colina

  8. [email hidden] (Chalo) writes:

    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks. I don't sprech the Deutsch and don't intend to
    acquire that skill, but I thought I'd toss that in to keep
    the Speicheschlüssel (or is it Nippelschlüssel?) company.

    Actually it's neither "Speichenschlüssel" nor
    "Nippelschlüssel" but "Speichennippelspanner" or for short
    "Nippelspanner". Just as a starter in case you change your
    mind and would like to acquire the skill "Deutsch zu
    sprechen" sometime...

    Christian

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