Please help with starting raw vegan diet

(Ann) said:

Hello,

I've been vegan as in no food or toiletries or anything
with any animal products for about five years, but, it
hasn't been for health reasons and I haven't been the
healthiest eater -- my diet includes lots of carbs, bready
things, potatoes, pasta, sugary things. I was recently told
to switch to an all raw fruit and veggie diet to treat an
acne problem that I've had for a long time. It sounds
promising, and I'm hoping that it will help with a lot of
other health problems too, but I want to do it right, not
have to worry about adding *more* problems and getting
frustrated thinking it's not helping because I'm bumbling
it. Exactly what fruits and veggies and how many?

Why do you think that eating exclusively fruits and
vegetables is going to help with your health problems??? It
is important to get adequate amounts of protein and good fat
in your diet and this may be a problem if you limit intake
to only fruits and vegetables. I know of no scientific
evidence that such a diet is healthy or will help specific
health problems.

Quoted message said:

Where should I get them, supermarket or health food
store? Should they be organic? How should I wash them, eg
I read about soaking non-pealables for 15 min. in a sink
full of water mixed with a little peroxide.

Eating lots of fruits and vegetables is likely good for you.
If you can get organic then all the better. Always wash your
fruits and vegetables with fresh water. But remember to eat
enough protein and good fats.

Quoted message said:

I also have a dilemma because I also want to try the
"Master Cleanse" and I'm probably going to try a
treatment for chronic systemic candida infection -- what
do I do first?

What makes you think you have chronic systemic candidiasis??
Who made the diagnosis and how was the diagnosis made??
Systemic candida is usually seen in immunocompomised
individuals. Systemic candida is often falsely diagnosed by
alternative medicine practitioners. Proper treatment always
starts with proper diagnosis.

Quoted message said:

Can I do the cleanse and start the treatment at the
same time?

I question the health benefits of anything that you are
considering.

I recommend first validating the diagnosis by seeing a
qualified health professional. Find out on what basis the
diagnosis was made.

I suggest you get a balanced diet with whole grains, fruits,
vegetables and adequate protein and good fats while avoiding
consuming too many calories. Also, unless you have a medical
contraindication, to get exercise (strength, endurance and
flexibility training).

Quoted message said:

Please help!!

Do you notice that you often worry excessively about
your health??

Aloha,

Rich

Quoted message said:

Ann

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The best defense to logic is ignorance

In article <[email hidden]>,

Ann said:

I also have a dilemma because I also want to try the
"Master Cleanse" and I'm probably going to try a treatment
for chronic systemic candida infection -- what do I do
first? Can I do the cleanse and start the treatment at the
same time?

I would strongly advise you to avoid the candida
treatments at all.

Although there most certainly is a disease called "systemic
candidiasis" which is awful and can be fatal, it's also
quite unmistakeable and usually found only in
immunocompromised persons.

A trip to your doctor to find out whether you really have
any sort of candida problem would be much more appropriate.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

Ann said:

I want to do it right, not have to worry about adding
*more* problems and getting frustrated thinking it's not
helping because I'm bumbling it.

But how can anyone help you when you haven't told us even
the most basic information about your particular health
conditions? For example, you haven't mentioned your blood
type. What's right for a type O is completely different from
what is needed by an AB. Type O in general are people
descended from agrarian farmers, and for them a high-carb,
grain-based diet is near optimal. On the other hand, type AB
are people descended from hunters and fishermen, so a high-
protein diet rich in fish oils is usually best. Type A
should be eating lots of tomatoes, garlic, pasta and olive
oil, while type B are shiftless people of no account who are
best avoided.

Also, it is not possible to make blanket recommendations
based just on general factors without taking into account
your unique personal traits. For example, a squat, swarthy
type O is much more like a type A, and would benefit from a
diet which includes type A foods -- in this case replacing
the bread-and-butter diet of a typical type O with more
olive oil and pasta. You can't expect to get these personal
dietary recommendations through the Internet. You need to
consult with a professional iridologist specializing in
nutritional profiling. And of course, because of the
depletion of agricultural soils by a century of chemical
farming, you'll need dietary supplements containing
essential nutrients such as tecnazene and quintozene.

Right now, you're completely adrift. If you don't get help
right away, you could be setting yourself up for a lifetime
of malaise, low-energy, and chronic pain. For all you know,
the root cause of your problems could be unrelated to diet
-- you might have an electrical imbalance or you could be
poisoned by a magnetic field. Have you tried reversing the
direction in which you sleep, for example, so that your head
is toward the north (if it was toward the south)? There are
so many factors involved that no one person could be
expected to be familiar with all of them. At the least,
you'll need comprehensive diagnosis by a board-certified
iridologist, chiropractor, and homeopathic physician. Even
then, you'll need to treat their advice with caution,
because of the variable quality of alternative medical
education in this country. The average chiropractor only
gets ONE HOUR of course study in iridology in his/her
educational curriculum! Can you believe it! It's a scandal,
I tell ya. Hope this helps :-)

[email hidden] (Ann) wrote in
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Quoted message said:

I've been vegan as in no food or toiletries or anything
with any animal products for about five years, but, it
hasn't been for health reasons and I haven't been the
healthiest eater -- my diet includes lots of carbs, bready
things, potatoes, pasta, sugary things. I was recently
told to switch to an all raw fruit and veggie diet to
treat an acne problem that I've had for a long time. It
sounds promising, and I'm hoping that it will help with a
lot of other health problems too, but I want to do it
right, not have to worry about adding *more* problems and
getting frustrated thinking it's not helping because I'm
bumbling it. Exactly what fruits and veggies and how many?
Where should I get them, supermarket or health food store?
Should they be organic? How should I wash them, eg I read
about soaking non-pealables for 15 min. in a sink full of
water mixed with a little peroxide.

You might want to take a look at Tom Billings' site,
beyondveg.combeyondveg.comOpen ↗, for a discussion of some of the
pitfalls of raw vegan, particularly fruitarian, diets
(Billings is a vegetarian who used to be a raw vegan).

"Ann" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Hello,

I've been vegan as in no food or toiletries or anything
with any animal products for about five years,

=======
But I see it's really all about 'looks' and 'feelinge' as
evidenced by your usenet posting. Not eating animals is not
the same as not causing their death and suffering. Afterall,
usenet is not cruelty-free, but here you are...

but, it hasn't been for health

Quoted message said:

reasons and I haven't been the healthiest eater -- my diet
includes lots of carbs, bready things, potatoes, pasta,
sugary things. I was recently told to switch to an all raw
fruit and veggie diet to treat an acne problem that I've
had for a long time. It sounds promising, and I'm hoping
that it will help with a lot of other health problems too,
but I want to do it right, not have to worry about adding
*more* problems and getting frustrated thinking it's not
helping because I'm bumbling it. Exactly what fruits and
veggies and how many? Where should I get them, supermarket
or health food store? Should they be organic? How should I
wash them, eg I read about soaking non-pealables for 15
min. in a sink full of water mixed with a little peroxide.

I also have a dilemma because I also want to try the
"Master Cleanse" and I'm probably going to try a treatment
for chronic systemic candida infection -- what do I do
first? Can I do the cleanse and start the treatment at the
same time?

Please help!!

Ann

Quoted message said:

Subject: Please help with starting raw vegan diet
From: [email hidden] (Ann)
Date: 6/5/2004 11:45 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Hello,

I've been vegan as in no food or toiletries or anything
with any animal products for about five years, but, it
hasn't been for health reasons and I haven't been the
healthiest eater -- my diet includes lots of carbs, bready
things, potatoes, pasta, sugary things. I was recently told
to switch to an all raw fruit and veggie diet to treat an
acne problem that I've had for a long time. It sounds
promising, and I'm hoping that it will help with a lot of
other health problems too, but I want to do it right, not
have to worry about adding *more* problems and getting
frustrated thinking it's not helping because I'm bumbling
it. Exactly what fruits and veggies and how many? Where
should I get them, supermarket or health food store? Should
they be organic? How should I wash them, eg I read about
soaking non-pealables for 15 min. in a sink full of water
mixed with a little peroxide.

I also have a dilemma because I also want to try the
"Master Cleanse" and I'm probably going to try a treatment
for chronic systemic candida infection -- what do I do
first? Can I do the cleanse and start the treatment at the
same time?

Please help!!

Ann

You can do your own research. You will also be questioned
and the badgering will begin, because the *gang* also denies
candida and doing any cleansing.

See a good alternative practitioner. Your questions wil
be answered.

As for cleaning fruits and veggies, soak in hot water for
one minute, no longer, drain and wipe with paper towel,
repeat a second time.

I can tell you I have been on the South Beach diet for about
a month. NO SUGAR does wonders for the body.

Good Luck, and ignore the many questions as you will be put
on trial here by the *gang* who could care less about YOU,
they just have an insane need to be right.

Jan

"Ann" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Hello,

I've been vegan as in no food or toiletries or anything
with any animal products for about five years, but, it
hasn't been for health reasons and I haven't been the
healthiest eater -- my diet includes lots of carbs, bready
things, potatoes, pasta, sugary >things.

Carbs are good for you, as part of a balanced diet. Just cut
down on the sugary things.

Quoted message said:

I was recently told to switch to an all raw fruit and
veggie diet to treat an acne problem that I've had for a
long time.

What you eat really doesn't have as much effect on acne as
some people think. It should only hurt you if you have an
allergy to one particular food.

skincarephysicians.commyths.htmlOpen ↗

"Myth #2: Acne is caused by diet. Extensive scientific
studies have not found a connection between diet and acne.
In other words, food does not cause acne. Not chocolate. Not
french fries. Not pizza. Nonetheless, some people insist
that certain foods affect their acne. In that case, avoid
those foods. Besides, eating a balanced diet always makes
sense. However, according to the scientific evidence, if
acne is being treated properly, there's no need to worry
about food affecting the acne."

Quoted message said:

It sounds promising,

Don't bother.

Quoted message said:

and I'm hoping that it will help with a lot of other
health >problems too,

Ask a doctor (a mainstream one) what to do about improving
your health. See a real dermatologist about your acne.

Quoted message said:

but I want to do it right, not have to worry about adding

Quoted message said:

*more* problems and getting frustrated thinking it's not

helping >because I'm bumbling it.

Then stay far far away from "Alternative" practitioners.
Whoever told you to go on a strict diet to avoid acne has
probably completely ignored the scientific studies which
have shown little to no linkage between acne and diet.

Quoted message said:

Exactly what fruits and veggies and how many?

Why the heck are you getting medical advice on a newsgroup
anyway? If someone told you to go on a strict diet of sour
cherries and plain eggplant, would you do it? Where does the
madness end? I'm not saying you're mad, just that you need
to take more of a common sense approach to these things.

Diets can improve heatlh sometimes, but it seems like you're
obssessing too much about what you eat and not giving enough
energy toward other, more important things.

Quoted message said:

Where should I get them, supermarket or health food store?

There's no really substantial health benefits regarding
organic vs. non-organic, so don't pay the extra money.

Quoted message said:

Should they be
organic?

Unecessary.

Quoted message said:

How should I wash them, eg I read about soaking non-
pealables for 15 min. in a sink full of water mixed with a
little peroxide.

Don't drink peroxide! It can be very dangerous and eat away
things. Surprisingly a lot of pseudoscientists including
Kent Hovind are promoting this, but it's really quite
dangerous.

"Hydrogen peroxide is being promoted as a "cure-all" by
several small nonmedical organizations. These organizations
claim that hydrogen peroxide can cure a variety of ailments
including cancer, AIDS, and arthritis. However, use of
hydrogen peroxide for these purposes has resulted in deaths
and serious injuries. "

h2o2.comhuman.htmlOpen ↗

Just wash with water.

Quoted message said:

I also have a dilemma because I also want to try the

Quoted message said:

"Master Cleanse"

Why do you feel a need to do that?

Quoted message said:

and I'm probably going to try a treatment for chronic

Quoted message said:

systemic candida infection -- what do I do first?

You must have a really weak immune system if you have that!
You'd better get a second opinion before you try to treat
something you probably don't even have.

Quoted message said:

Can I do the cleanse and start the treatment at the
same time?

Do neither. Ask a doctor, a REAL doctor who went to
medical school.

Quoted message said:

Please help!!

I'm doing the best I can, please listen to what I've told
you and don't put your health or pocketbook at risk any
longer by accepting faux advice and faux treatments from a
bunch of pseudoscientists.

-Rubystars

Ann said:

Hello,

I've been vegan as in no food or toiletries or anything
with any animal products for about five years, but, it
hasn't been for health reasons and I haven't been the
healthiest eater -- my diet includes lots of carbs, bready
things, potatoes, pasta, sugary things. I was recently
told to switch to an all raw fruit and veggie diet to
treat an acne problem that I've had for a long time. It
sounds promising, and I'm hoping that it will help with a
lot of other health problems too, but I want to do it
right, not have to worry about adding *more* problems and
getting frustrated thinking it's not helping because I'm
bumbling it. Exactly what fruits and veggies and how many?
Where should I get them, supermarket or health food store?
Should they be organic? How should I wash them, eg I read
about soaking non-pealables for 15 min. in a sink full of
water mixed with a little peroxide.

Firstly, I'd do more in the way of nonprocessed, whole grain
carbs and cut back on sugary stuff. I eat a mostly
vegetarian diet (ovo-lacto, with occasional fish and poultry
still) and notice a big difference when having less-
processed grains; whole grain breads, pastas, cereals, that
type of thing. They also taste better to me. Secondly, as
for raw fruits and veggies...just add them to your current
diet instead of switching completely. As good as raw fruits
and veggies are, I know I'd miss a good barley stew <g> I
prefer to buy organic when I can, as they just taste better
to me, but that depends on the individual. Just wash them
under running water and you should be fine.

Quoted message said:

I also have a dilemma because I also want to try the
"Master Cleanse" and I'm probably going to try a treatment
for chronic systemic candida infection -- what do I do
first? Can I do the cleanse and start the treatment at the
same time?

I'm gonna reiterate what others have already said. Systemic
candida is a sign of a compromised immune system, so I'd see
an MD (it takes a lot for me to see any doctor) to confirm
the diagnosis before doing anything. If, indeed, it is
systemic candida you need to find out why you have it.

Good luck!!

Kimmer kimagreenfieldatyahoodotcom

"Ann" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I've been vegan as in no food or toiletries or anything
with any animal products for about five years, but, it
hasn't been for health reasons and I haven't been the
healthiest eater -- my diet includes lots of carbs, bready
things, potatoes, pasta, sugary things. I was recently
told to switch to an all raw fruit and veggie diet to
treat an acne problem that I've had for a long time.

There is scant evidence that this will work. However, almost
every health advocate will champion including lots of
unprocessed fruits and veggies in your diet. You'll only be
helping yourself.

Quoted message said:

I also have a dilemma because I also want to try the
"Master Cleanse" and I'm probably going to try a treatment
for chronic systemic candida infection -- what do I do
first? Can I do the cleanse and start the treatment at the
same time?

Do some research. "Cleanses" are a waste of time. You're far
better off adjusting your diet and getting some exercise.

le moo

"Mark Thorson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Ann said:

I want to do it right, not have to worry about adding
*more* problems and getting frustrated thinking it's not
helping because I'm bumbling it.

But how can anyone help you when you haven't told us even
the most basic information about your particular health
conditions? For example, you haven't mentioned your blood
type. What's right for a type O is completely different
from what is needed by an AB. Type O in general are people
descended from agrarian farmers, and for them a high-carb,
grain-based diet is near optimal. On the other hand, type
AB are people descended from hunters and fishermen, so a
high-protein diet rich in fish oils is usually best. Type
A should be eating lots of tomatoes, garlic, pasta and
olive oil, while type B are shiftless people of no account
who are best avoided.

There's no evidence whatsoever for that "eat right for
your type" BS.

quackwatch.orgd'Open ↗
adamo.html

Please stop peddling snake oil.

Quoted message said:

Also, it is not possible to make blanket recommendations
based just on general factors without taking into account
your unique personal traits. For example, a squat, swarthy
type O is much more like a type A, and would benefit from
a diet which includes type A foods -- in this case
replacing the bread-and-butter diet of a typical type O
with more olive oil and pasta. You can't expect to get
these personal dietary recommendations through the
Internet. You need to consult with a professional
iridologist specializing in nutritional profiling. And of
course, because of the depletion of agricultural soils by
a century of chemical farming, you'll need dietary
supplements containing essential nutrients such as
tecnazene and quintozene.

Iridology is also a load of complete and utter [censored].

skepdic.comiridol.htmlOpen ↗

Do you want to help this guy or make him go broke giving all
his money to money grubbing con artists?

Quoted message said:

Right now, you're completely adrift.

And you're not helping one bit.

Quoted message said:

If you don't get help right away, you could be setting
yourself up for a lifetime of malaise, low-energy, and
chronic pain. For all you know, the root cause of your
problems could be unrelated to diet -- you might have an
electrical imbalance or you could be poisoned by a
magnetic field.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Call Alex Chiu to the Emergency room,
call Alex Chiu! STAT!

Quoted message said:

Have you tried reversing the direction in which you sleep,
for example, so that your head is toward the north (if it
was toward the south)? There are so many factors involved
that no one person could be expected to be familiar with
all of them. At the least, you'll need comprehensive
diagnosis by a board-certified iridologist,

Quack

Quoted message said:

chiropractor,

Quack

Quoted message said:

and homeopathic physician.

Homeopathy is the worst of all. The dilutions are so great,
often times, that not a single molecule of the so called
therapeutic ingredient is left in a dose. Ever hear of
Avogadro's number?

Quoted message said:

Even then, you'll need to treat their advice with caution,
because of the variable quality of alternative medical
education in this country.

How about he go to a doctor who has had scientific training
and evidence-based methodologies?

Quoted message said:

The average chiropractor only gets ONE HOUR of course
study in iridology in his/her educational curriculum! Can
you believe it! It's a scandal, I tell ya. Hope this
helps :-)

Chiropractic and Iridology are both scams and the fact that
you idiots have duped so many people into forking over the
dough for them is a scandal!

-Rubystars

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-Rubystars

This looked like a troll post, so, Snippity snip

"Eric Bohlman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

You might want to take a look at Tom Billings' site,
beyondveg.combeyondveg.comOpen ↗, for a discussion of some of the
pitfalls of raw vegan, particularly fruitarian, diets
(Billings is a vegetarian who used

to

Quoted message said:

be a raw vegan).

That site is really something. It's a wealth of information
for people who are considering going vegetarian. I haven't
read the whole thing yet. But it's cogent and well
organized.

moo

Mark is an idiot that mouths off about things he/she has no knowledge of.
Never studied, never used, never known anyone who has.
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"Mark Thorson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>,

Rubystars said:

"Mark Thorson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Ann said:

I want to do it right, not have to worry about adding
*more* problems and getting frustrated thinking it's
not helping because I'm bumbling it.

But how can anyone help you when you haven't told us even
the most basic information about your particular health
conditions? For example, you haven't mentioned your blood
type. What's right for a type O is completely different
from what is needed by an AB. Type O in general are
people descended from agrarian farmers, and for them a
high-carb, grain-based diet is near optimal. On the other
hand, type AB are people descended from hunters and
fishermen, so a high-protein diet rich in fish oils is
usually best. Type A should be eating lots of tomatoes,
garlic, pasta and olive oil, while type B are shiftless
people of no account who are best avoided.

There's no evidence whatsoever for that "eat right for your
type" BS.

quackwatch.orgdOpen ↗
'adamo.html

Please stop peddling snake oil.

So, Mark, do you practice "catch and release" or what?

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I
have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Please help with starting raw vegan diet
From: [email hidden] (David Wright)
Date: 6/5/2004 12:41 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Right on CUE.

DENIAL.

See your doctor.

ALL WRONG ADVICE.

Please understand the *gang* is a part of organized medicine
who deny most all alternative.

Jan

<snip bad advice form David Wright, *gang* member.

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Please help with starting raw vegan diet
From: Eric Bohlman [email hidden]
Date: 6/5/2004 2:35 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

[email hidden] (Ann) wrote in
:"]news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

I've been vegan as in no food or toiletries or anything
with any animal products for about five years, but, it
hasn't been for health reasons and I haven't been the
healthiest eater -- my diet includes lots of carbs,
bready things, potatoes, pasta, sugary things. I was
recently told to switch to an all raw fruit and veggie
diet to treat an acne problem that I've had for a long
time. It sounds promising, and I'm hoping that it will
help with a lot of other health problems too, but I want
to do it right, not have to worry about adding *more*
problems and getting frustrated thinking it's not helping
because I'm bumbling it. Exactly what fruits and veggies
and how many? Where should I get them, supermarket or
health food store? Should they be organic? How should I
wash them, eg I read about soaking non-pealables for 15
min. in a sink full of water mixed with a little
peroxide.

You might want to take a look at Tom Billings' site,
beyondveg.combeyondveg.comOpen ↗, for a discussion of some of the
pitfalls of raw vegan, particularly fruitarian, diets
(Billings is a vegetarian who used to be a raw vegan).

Or you might want to take a look at this.

hacres.comhacres.comOpen ↗

Jan

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Please help with starting raw vegan diet
From: "Rubystars" [email hidden]
Date: 6/6/2004 12:37 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

As predicted let the grilling begin.

Quoted message said:

Ask a doctor (a mainstream one) what to do about improving
your health

Quoted message said:

Then stay far far away from "Alternative" practitioners.

Quoted message said:

Ask a doctor, a REAL doctor who went to medical school.

Don't bother.

Jan

(Jan) said:

ALL WRONG ADVICE.

Please understand the *gang* is a part of organized
medicine who deny most all alternative.

Says the notorious liar and forger Jan Drew...

Jan Drew, who seeds hatred.

Jan Drew, who KNOWINGLY spreads false information. False
information which can lead to the death of your children...

geocities.comQuackery.htmlOpen ↗

Be warned : To fall for the lies of Jan Drew can be a
terrible risk for the life of you and your children.

Regards,

Aribert Deckers
--
Aktion "Hilfe für Florian und andere"
Gemeinsam gegen Leukämie

kinderkrebshilfe-kinderkrebshilfe-Open ↗
ophoven.de/docs/typisfly2004.htm

(Jan) said:

Or you might want to take a look at this.

wwwwwwOpen ↗.

No! Better look here :

geocities.comQuackery.htmlOpen ↗

Be warned : To fall for the lies of Jan Drew can be a
terrible risk for the life of you and your children.

Regards,

Aribert Deckers
--
Aktion "Hilfe für Florian und andere"
Gemeinsam gegen Leukämie

kinderkrebshilfe-kinderkrebshilfe-Open ↗
ophoven.de/docs/typisfly2004.htm