"Robert Chung" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<2khq3pF2fu48U1@uni- berlin.de>... [ ]
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If that's the event you were talking about, in 2000 the Tour de Seine-et-Marne was not a UCI event, as I pointed out elsewhere in this thread. Therefore, it is either incorrect or deceptive to describe the accomplishment, admirable though it may be, as "an unfaired [recumbent] won a UCI prolog a couple of years ago."
Here are a couple links mentioning the UCI status as a sanctioned amateur event with team cars, Robobank, etc.
Checking it out again, what happened was the French HPVers were invited to this UCI prolog and they made it part of their HPV championships. So it was both things together as a special event. Apparently the unfaired bents won a hilly crit the next day as well and weren't invited back to either event.
A report about this and other hilly/upright racing aspects from the winning recumbent rider: ihpva.orgWeek of MonOpen ↗ 20030728/031834.html
A thread I started that includes an English trans by Dave Larrington, UK HPV editor, of the first report: cyclingforums.comtOpen ↗ 53405.html
--JP
The Tour de Seine-et-Marne does not appear in the archives of the UCI road calendar in 2000, nor in 2001. It first appears on the UCI road calendar as a Men's Elite 2.6 (the lowest category) race in 2002. Prior to that, it was an amateur race. Some big name teams (like Rabobank) run development squads so there were some excellent juniors and U23's who did the race in those years. Bottom line, Van De Walle's accomplishment shouldn't be denigrated--but neither should it be inflated. It was not a UCI race.
"Robert Chung" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<2kii1tF2pqlrU1@uni- berlin.de>... [ ]
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The Tour de Seine-et-Marne does not appear in the archives of the UCI road calendar in 2000, nor in 2001. It first appears on the UCI road calendar as a Men's Elite 2.6 (the lowest category) race in 2002. Prior to that, it was an amateur race. Some big name teams (like Rabobank) run development squads so there were some excellent juniors and U23's who did the race in those years. Bottom line, Van De Walle's accomplishment shouldn't be denigrated--but neither should it be inflated. It was not a UCI race.
It looks like it was a UCI race, just not a WC or elite one. --JP
"Robert Chung" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<2kii1tF2pqlrU1@uni- berlin.de>... [ ]
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The Tour de Seine-et-Marne does not appear in the archives of the UCI road calendar in 2000, nor in 2001. It first appears on the UCI road calendar as a Men's Elite 2.6 (the lowest category) race in 2002. Prior to that, it was an amateur race. Some big name teams (like Rabobank) run development squads so there were some excellent juniors and U23's who did the race in those years. Bottom line, Van De Walle's accomplishment shouldn't be denigrated--but neither should it be inflated. It was not a UCI race.
It looks like it was a UCI race, just not a WC or elite one. --JP
On what basis do you keep saying this? The Tour de Seine-et- Marne does not appear in the archives of the UCI road calendar in 2000.
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Jeff Potter said:
"Robert Chung" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<2kii1tF2pqlrU1@uni- berlin.de>... [ ]
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The Tour de Seine-et-Marne does not appear in the archives of the UCI road calendar in 2000, nor in 2001. It first appears on the UCI road calendar as a Men's Elite 2.6 (the lowest category) race in 2002. Prior to that, it was an amateur race. Some big name teams (like Rabobank) run development squads so there were some excellent juniors and U23's who did the race in those years. Bottom line, Van De Walle's accomplishment shouldn't be denigrated--but neither should it be inflated. It was not a UCI race.
It looks like it was a UCI race, just not a WC or elite one. --JP
On what basis do you keep saying this? The Tour de Seine-et- Marne does not appear in the archives of the UCI road calendar in 2000.
UCI is mentioned in the contemporary reports on it. Nice to hear that it's on a web archive as of 2002. I'll go with the idea that riders, officials and the prolog winner mentioning UCI in connection with it in 2000 had some basis for doing so. That's all. --JP
