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Dick Durbin
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Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> .> You obviously haven't read the research. Read the last reference on
> .> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande/scb7/htm.
>
> Typo. Try http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande/scb7.htm. You should have been able to
> figure that out yourself.
Good paper.
http://www.fs.fed.us/pnw/lagrande/starkey_na/PDFs_Preprints/ms-06_Wisdom.pdf
It begins to quantify the flight reaction of mule deer and elk to
ATVs, horseback riders, mountain bikes, and hikers. It doesn't refute
my statement. It merely reinforces what I said.
> .And just where, in relation to your residence is this property? How
> .large is it and how close is your home to it?
>
> Irrelevant.
Not at all irrelevant. If you live on 100 acres and set aside 50
acres you have done something impressive. If you live on a typical
American lot of 60' by 120' and you set aside the back yard as off
limits to humans, you have done little except ******** the neighbors
for not mowing.
> .Individuals who believe as you may do what they wish with their own
> .property. Citizens would have to be convinced, through rigorous
> .science, that public land being off limits to human visitation would
> .be required to avoid exclusion of an endangered species.
>
> It's already been done. It's called "conservation biology". Our MOST-protected
> lands are national parks, but they are still losing species.
I do not doubt the truth of that statement. Allowing snowmobiles in
the national parks when deer and elk are hard up for forage puts
additional stress on already stressed animals.
> .> But that is a commonly known fact. Human presence drives away species sensitive
> .> to human presence.
> .Persistent, continuous human presence may do so, but not occasional
> .visitation.
>
> How do you draw that line? It makes no sense. There is no such line.
By observing which species can accept what level of human intrusion.
Keep in mind that, to wildlife, humans are no different than a
predator.
> .> .Allowed to visit, but not engage in activities that make it
> .> .uninhabitable to wildlife.
> .>
> .> How would you know ahat those activities are? In any case, it is NOT off-limits
> .> to ALL humans, which is what I am advocating.
> .
> .The problem, Michael, is that you have not demonstrated SCIENTIFICALLY
> .that what you are advocating is necessary.
>
> I just did. You simply haven't read my papers.
You have done no science, Michael. You have merely regurgitated and
misinterpreted what real scientists have said.
**** Durbin
> .> You obviously haven't read the research. Read the last reference on
> .> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande/scb7/htm.
>
> Typo. Try http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande/scb7.htm. You should have been able to
> figure that out yourself.
Good paper.
http://www.fs.fed.us/pnw/lagrande/starkey_na/PDFs_Preprints/ms-06_Wisdom.pdf
It begins to quantify the flight reaction of mule deer and elk to
ATVs, horseback riders, mountain bikes, and hikers. It doesn't refute
my statement. It merely reinforces what I said.
> .And just where, in relation to your residence is this property? How
> .large is it and how close is your home to it?
>
> Irrelevant.
Not at all irrelevant. If you live on 100 acres and set aside 50
acres you have done something impressive. If you live on a typical
American lot of 60' by 120' and you set aside the back yard as off
limits to humans, you have done little except ******** the neighbors
for not mowing.
> .Individuals who believe as you may do what they wish with their own
> .property. Citizens would have to be convinced, through rigorous
> .science, that public land being off limits to human visitation would
> .be required to avoid exclusion of an endangered species.
>
> It's already been done. It's called "conservation biology". Our MOST-protected
> lands are national parks, but they are still losing species.
I do not doubt the truth of that statement. Allowing snowmobiles in
the national parks when deer and elk are hard up for forage puts
additional stress on already stressed animals.
> .> But that is a commonly known fact. Human presence drives away species sensitive
> .> to human presence.
> .Persistent, continuous human presence may do so, but not occasional
> .visitation.
>
> How do you draw that line? It makes no sense. There is no such line.
By observing which species can accept what level of human intrusion.
Keep in mind that, to wildlife, humans are no different than a
predator.
> .> .Allowed to visit, but not engage in activities that make it
> .> .uninhabitable to wildlife.
> .>
> .> How would you know ahat those activities are? In any case, it is NOT off-limits
> .> to ALL humans, which is what I am advocating.
> .
> .The problem, Michael, is that you have not demonstrated SCIENTIFICALLY
> .that what you are advocating is necessary.
>
> I just did. You simply haven't read my papers.
You have done no science, Michael. You have merely regurgitated and
misinterpreted what real scientists have said.
**** Durbin