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JMW
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DZ <[email protected]> wrote:
>JMW <[email protected]> wrote:
>> DZ wrote:
>>>My newsreader, slrn, which I recommend to both trolls and their
>>>detractors, employs a very nice idea of scorefile. I give
>>>integer-valued positive or negative scores based on any of the headers
>>>(in addition, headers could be parsed through regular expressions).
>>>
>>>A negative score of, say, -10 would mark matching articles with a
>>>certain color and put a "read" mark in front. You can still open the
>>>post. A score of -9999 would not show the matching articles at all
>>>(that's like the dreaded, alleged bozo bin). A score of 10 would put a
>>>high attention mark in front, and you can jump to the next high score
>>>article with a keystroke.
>>
>> Is it safe to assume that all the scoring is done post-download?
>
>Scoring is done during fetching of the headers (whole articles don't
>need to be downloaded at this point). There isn't a considerable
>slowdown due to filtering.
>
>I haven't tried slrn under Windows but there is such thing too -
>http://thingy.apana.org.au/~fun/slrn/
>
>An easy way to understand slrn's simple scorefile syntax is to score a
>couple of articles in the newsreader and then examine the resulting
>scorefile in a text editor.
OK. Let me explain the problem. NewsProxy/Nfilter will score, and
you can use Regular Expressions, too. You can do some pretty clever
stuff within the program, and it simply acts a proxy between Forté
Agent or MS Outlook Express. It will drop (kill) or score on any
header it receives. Therein lies the problem. What headers does it
receive?
When your newsreader (or proxy) sends an XHDR command to the news
server, it may send all available headers for each post. Or not. It
may just send the overview headers which are shown here:
http://www.rustyiron.net/cprompt5.jpg
If your news server is like the latter, which many, if not most, are,
including mine, that's all you have to work with. And with constantly
changing subject headers, user IDs, and fake email addresses being
used by persistent trolls, you really can't create a very good scoring
system with just those headers.
Simply put, the largest problem is not with the client software; it's
with the news server.
>JMW <[email protected]> wrote:
>> DZ wrote:
>>>My newsreader, slrn, which I recommend to both trolls and their
>>>detractors, employs a very nice idea of scorefile. I give
>>>integer-valued positive or negative scores based on any of the headers
>>>(in addition, headers could be parsed through regular expressions).
>>>
>>>A negative score of, say, -10 would mark matching articles with a
>>>certain color and put a "read" mark in front. You can still open the
>>>post. A score of -9999 would not show the matching articles at all
>>>(that's like the dreaded, alleged bozo bin). A score of 10 would put a
>>>high attention mark in front, and you can jump to the next high score
>>>article with a keystroke.
>>
>> Is it safe to assume that all the scoring is done post-download?
>
>Scoring is done during fetching of the headers (whole articles don't
>need to be downloaded at this point). There isn't a considerable
>slowdown due to filtering.
>
>I haven't tried slrn under Windows but there is such thing too -
>http://thingy.apana.org.au/~fun/slrn/
>
>An easy way to understand slrn's simple scorefile syntax is to score a
>couple of articles in the newsreader and then examine the resulting
>scorefile in a text editor.
OK. Let me explain the problem. NewsProxy/Nfilter will score, and
you can use Regular Expressions, too. You can do some pretty clever
stuff within the program, and it simply acts a proxy between Forté
Agent or MS Outlook Express. It will drop (kill) or score on any
header it receives. Therein lies the problem. What headers does it
receive?
When your newsreader (or proxy) sends an XHDR command to the news
server, it may send all available headers for each post. Or not. It
may just send the overview headers which are shown here:
http://www.rustyiron.net/cprompt5.jpg
If your news server is like the latter, which many, if not most, are,
including mine, that's all you have to work with. And with constantly
changing subject headers, user IDs, and fake email addresses being
used by persistent trolls, you really can't create a very good scoring
system with just those headers.
Simply put, the largest problem is not with the client software; it's
with the news server.