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I laughed out loud when I read your post. How can you be so ignorant as to believe everything you
read and see on TV? Then you form an idea in your head and protect this idea by obtaining as
little information as possible on the subject. I don't see where you get off admonishing Larry
Varney for reading a book. He simply said he was reading a book and had not admitted forming any
opinions on the matter. Some people (apparently not Ed Dolan) like to make up their own minds
rather than believe everything they hear and see from others.

I am always in favor of an open mind on any and all subjects, but liberals have closed minds on all
subjects. They are ruled by their ideology which tells them what to think about everything under the
sun. Mr. Varney makes a big issue of being a free thinker never realizing how much his thinking is
already circumscribed by his ideology. You too I suspect. But for the ultimate moron, the ultimate
imbecile, the ultimate liberal ideologue, I give you the supreme jackass of all time otherwise known
as Mr. Sherman. If you think like him, than you are lost and gone forever.

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"There is no free press in the Muslim world that I know of." You could probably fill the Great
Lakes with what you don't know. You also didn't know that there were Christian Palestinians, who
by the way, also fight the Israeli occupation. Does that make Christianity a brutal religion? Free
press exists throughout the world except for places like China, North Korea and, until recently,
Iraq. Just because something has a different slant than American media does not make it
propogandous.

I suspect those few Christian Palestinians had best get on board or they would quickly be done away
with. To claim that the Arabs have a free press is just too ridiculous for words and marks you for
the ignoramus that you are. The Arab press is nothing but propaganda. You, sir, are a moron!

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"That is your world, not mine. Maybe you would like to return to it, but we in the West think it
is all an abomination!" You'd like me to go back to where? Sorry, I was born and raised here in
America, where I work and vote. This may scare you, but there are millions more just like me! As
for "we in the West," you're speaking only for yourself. Most Americans and westerners are not as
simple minded as you and wish to know the entire truth before they condemn something.

Sometimes the more a person "learns" the stupider they get. That is ever the problem with liberals.
I think all that learning they engage in must atrophy the judgmental faculties. Simple minds can
often cut to the quick of something whereas sophisticated minds have been educated stupid. Have I
ever told you that I would rather be ruled by the first 10 people in the Boston telephone directory
than I would the first 10 people in the Harvard University faculty directory (or the entire faculty
for that matter).

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I just read your post again, and I think you must be joking. Nobody would admit to being as simple
and closed minded as you are. I am done talking to you unless you have some serious questions on
Islam, or by the stroke of some miracle, you decide you're interested in recumbent bicycles.
Otherwise, please feel free to continue to spew your ridiculous hatred towards Muslims, just know
that it has very little effect on anyone. No matter what you say, God is still greater than you or
any ugly lie you can tell.

You and I are going to get along great as neither one of us likes to say anything of substance. I
suggest you stay the hell away from that idiot Mr. Sherman as he will bombard you with useless and
irrelevant "facts" which will only befuddle you and make you even more stupid than you already are.

I would further suggest to you that most Americans are not having exactly a love relationship with
Muslims. On the contrary, the hatred of them is growing by leaps and bounds. I feel like Paul Revere
sounding the alarm. But sleep on McDuff! You will never know what kills you as you are sound asleep
and nothing can wake you up.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

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The most intelligent thing you can do when it comes time to read a book is to choose which book
to read among the many thousands that are available. Poor Mr. Varney has been taken in by the
first book about Muslims to fall into his hands. He is even so ignorant that he does not want to
even read a book review and find out what others who are many times smarter than him think about
it. That is the ultimate ignorance and the hallmark of an uneducated person.

ROTFL! Dolan, I never said anything about not wanting to read a book review to see what others
think about a book - what I've been saying, all along, is that I will not let others do my
thinking for me - if I have the chance to read the book myself, I will do so, and not let
someone else determine my opinion for me. There are some things that we either cannot check out
for ourselves, or are extremely difficult to do. As in, I will have to take the words of others
as to how it feels to walk on the moon. But I CAN read a book, and I will. Why won't you?

I am glad that we both finally can agree about something, i.e., that book reviews can be very useful
in helping us to decide whether we want to read a book or not. The only thing I have against the
book you are contemplating reading is that bit in the title about America's "false images" of Islam.
Most Americans know next to nothing about Islam and they don't want to know anything about it,
except how it may impact their lives via the Muslim terrorist threat consisting of random acts of
murder and mayhem. Frankly, right at this moment in time I am not anxious to "understand" Islam. The
important thing is to condemn it for what it is doing to this country and indeed to the whole world.

We are all waiting for you to read that book and report back to us on any increase of understanding
about the Muslim religion you may gain from it, and in particular what those "false images" of
Muslims that we here in America are suppose to have about it.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Question: If a bear craps in the woods and no one is around, does it still stink?

Answer: Who cares.

Would you pay $3000 to find out?

At this point in time "Who Cares"?

Logic is lost on our dear L.L.L. Rest assured that what any of us write here will probably have
a very negligible effect on the sales of BiGHA. If it goes down in flames it will not be
because of the efforts of Mr. Love. If the sales go platinum, I doubt that will be a
repudiation of his concerns.

Let him pretend he has convinced us all with his superior logic. That may get him to quit whining.

William Higley, Sr. (Have I crapped in the woods? Are you willing to pay $3000 to find out?) Vision
R-50 RANS Rocket

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>>My position is clearly outlined in all of my previous posts. I

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>>issues that you've completely dodged and to this moment have not acknowledged. Even after
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>>see where you can say I'm lying. Where have I lied? Specifically,

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>>your own words, using your own interpretation, tell me how I'm a

liar.

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>>I understand your home is probably equipped with padded walls, but I need you to really focus
>>and try to speak English with me here and

use

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>>clear logic. The babble talk and wild assumptions don't cut it in

the

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>>sane world. You may want to get your nurse or babysitter to help you compose your response.
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>>Thank You. We may actually be making some progress here!
>
>The posts are all there for everyone to see. To see that you are continuing to lie in support
>of a ridiculously overpriced bicycle that you yourself would never buy and in defense of
>someone who has

committed

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>identity theft and fraud. Your poor grasp of reality and your

inability

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>to understand your own writing doesn't change anything. Get help.
>
>Lorenzo L. Love home.thegrid.net~llloveOpen ↗
>
>Main Entry: psy·cho·sis Pronunciation: sI-'kO-s&s Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural
>psy·cho·ses /-"sEz/ Etymology: New Latin Date: 1847
>: fundamental mental derangement (as schizophrenia) characterized by
>defective or lost contact with reality
>
>© 1999 by Merriam-Webster, Incorporated

Lorenzo - please take your Prozac, come back in a few hours after it's kicked in, then read
and respond my posts. Obviously whatever content is in these posts goes right over your head
and you need help.

Again, I've not defended anything on this thread. Not a bike, nor a person. I've asked you
many questions and exposed your lies and insanity. When called on it, you've responded only by
changing the subject.

I have done nothing but stick to the subject of who would buy a Bigha. Every time you try to
change it, I have to bring in back. You haven't bought one nor are you going to buy one so just
what do you have to say on the subject? Nothing except to continue to defend this overpriced
bike and a person known to be a fraud and identity thief who claimed to have bought one.

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Let me put a question out for you, pure and simple.

1. Who gives the best and most objective reviews?
a) People who get the bike for free
b) People who are full price customers

Answered several times. In fact it was answered again in the message you just responded to, but
you edited that part out. Now I wonder way you choose to do that. Another attempt to deceive or
just part of your selective perception of reality?

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We've caught you coming down on both sides of the issue here. Please note that "whoever agrees
with LLL on the merits of the product" is NOT an acceptable answer.

This thing that I asked you is called a question. Questions deserve answers, and most people
habitually answer questions without having to make serious psychological progress. I placed
this question quite obviously so you would see it, and hopefully answer it. Such a question
could be simply answered by pretty much anyone in the world, though I'm sure you'll
miraculously find a way to avoid it.

I look forward to your babbling response, though I'd prefer the non-babbling version.

It doesn't matter how often you attack me for asking a simple question, you still look like a
delusional fool.

Is there anyone on this news group, who is not a known liar, who has actually purchased a Bigha
for the full $3000.00 price?

Lorenzo L. Love home.thegrid.net~llloveOpen ↗

“In the old days being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody’s

crazy.”

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Charles Manson

Lauging out freeking loud!!!

OK, you are officially insane. I could not have posed the question any clearer, and you still fail
to provide an answer. What exactly is your condition called? Are you alergic to answering
questions? Do you have a phobia of answering questions? What are the side-effects if you actually
do answer a question?

Show me one place in this thread where I defend either the bike or another person. I've done
neither. The only puzzle I try to solve is why you insist on continuing with your Jihad against
Bigha. You claim people who have not, or will not buy a Bigha have no right to an opinion on the
bike. You also have not, and will not by the bike, yet it is ok for you to have a very strong
opinion. Why are you entitled to form an opinion while no one else is? Are you God? Why is it
anyone who asks Lorenzo the Almighty a question is deemed insane?

Also, please show me where I've attacked you for asking your "has anyone bought a Bigha" question.
I believe that to be a fair question. However, you also recommended psychological counseling and
medication. Using your logic, you must have experience in these areas, otherwise you would not be
entitled to an opinion on them, much less provide an recommendation.

Can you please answer my questions in a straight-forward manner? If you actually answer a question
and do not change the subject, we will all have something to be thankful for this Thanksgiving.

Just to recap, here are some questions you can answer:

1) What's the logic behind you Jihad against Bigha?
2) Why are you entitled to an opinion on Bigha while nobody else is?
3) Who provides the best reviews: paying customers or non-paying reviewers?
4) Have you received counseling and have you taken medication for a mental condition?
5) If no on 4, how do you justify recommending these things without trying them yourself? Doesn't
this counter your logic on Bigha?
6) Why do you never ever answer any questions?

All are easy questions, the rest of the newsgroup will be elated if you manage to answer even one.

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"Lorenzo L. Love" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>>My position is clearly outlined in all of my previous posts. I raised issues that you've
>>completely dodged and to this moment have not acknowledged. Even after reading the previous
>>messages again, I don't see where you can say I'm lying. Where have I lied? Specifically, in
>>your own words, using your own interpretation, tell me how I'm a liar.
>>
>>I understand your home is probably equipped with padded walls, but I need you to really focus
>>and try to speak English with me here and use clear logic. The babble talk and wild assumptions
>>don't cut it in the sane world. You may want to get your nurse or babysitter to help you
>>compose your response.
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>>Thank You. We may actually be making some progress here!
>
>The posts are all there for everyone to see. To see that you are continuing to lie in support of
>a ridiculously overpriced bicycle that you yourself would never buy and in defense of someone
>who has committed identity theft and fraud. Your poor grasp of reality and your inability to
>understand your own writing doesn't change anything. Get help.
>
>Lorenzo L. Love home.thegrid.net~llloveOpen ↗
>
>Main Entry: psy·cho·sis Pronunciation: sI-'kO-s&s Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural
>psy·cho·ses /-"sEz/ Etymology: New Latin Date: 1847
>: fundamental mental derangement (as schizophrenia) characterized by
>defective or lost contact with reality
>
>© 1999 by Merriam-Webster, Incorporated

Lorenzo - please take your Prozac, come back in a few hours after it's kicked in, then read and
respond my posts. Obviously whatever content is in these posts goes right over your head and you
need help.

Again, I've not defended anything on this thread. Not a bike, nor a person. I've asked you many
questions and exposed your lies and insanity. When called on it, you've responded only by
changing the subject.

I have done nothing but stick to the subject of who would buy a Bigha. Every time you try to
change it, I have to bring in back. You haven't bought one nor are you going to buy one so just
what do you have to say on the subject? Nothing except to continue to defend this overpriced bike
and a person known to be a fraud and identity thief who claimed to have bought one.

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Let me put a question out for you, pure and simple.

1. Who gives the best and most objective reviews?
a) People who get the bike for free
b) People who are full price customers

Answered several times. In fact it was answered again in the message you just responded to, but
you edited that part out. Now I wonder way you choose to do that. Another attempt to deceive or
just part of your selective perception of reality?

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We've caught you coming down on both sides of the issue here. Please note that "whoever agrees
with LLL on the merits of the product" is NOT an acceptable answer.

This thing that I asked you is called a question. Questions deserve answers, and most people
habitually answer questions without having to make serious psychological progress. I placed this
question quite obviously so you would see it, and hopefully answer it. Such a question could be
simply answered by pretty much anyone in the world, though I'm sure you'll miraculously find a
way to avoid it.

I look forward to your babbling response, though I'd prefer the non-babbling version.

It doesn't matter how often you attack me for asking a simple question, you still look like a
delusional fool.

Is there anyone on this news group, who is not a known liar, who has actually purchased a Bigha
for the full $3000.00 price?

Lorenzo L. Love home.thegrid.net~llloveOpen ↗

“In the old days being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody’s crazy.” Charles Manson

Lauging out freeking loud!!!

OK, you are officially insane. I could not have posed the question any clearer, and you still fail
to provide an answer. What exactly is your condition called? Are you alergic to answering
questions? Do you have a phobia of answering questions? What are the side-effects if you actually
do answer a question?

Show me one place in this thread where I defend either the bike or another person. I've done
neither. The only puzzle I try to solve is why you insist on continuing with your Jihad against
Bigha. You claim people who have not, or will not buy a Bigha have no right to an opinion on the
bike. You also have not, and will not by the bike, yet it is ok for you to have a very strong
opinion. Why are you entitled to form an opinion while no one else is? Are you God? Why is it
anyone who asks Lorenzo the Almighty a question is deemed insane?

Also, please show me where I've attacked you for asking your "has anyone bought a Bigha" question.
I believe that to be a fair question. However, you also recommended psychological counseling and
medication. Using your logic, you must have experience in these areas, otherwise you would not be
entitled to an opinion on them, much less provide an recommendation.

Can you please answer my questions in a straight-forward manner? If you actually answer a question
and do not change the subject, we will all have something to be thankful for this Thanksgiving.

Just to recap, here are some questions you can answer:

1) What's the logic behind you Jihad against Bigha?
2) Why are you entitled to an opinion on Bigha while nobody else is?
3) Who provides the best reviews: paying customers or non-paying reviewers?
4) Have you received counseling and have you taken medication for a mental condition?
5) If no on 4, how do you justify recommending these things without trying them yourself? Doesn't
this counter your logic on Bigha?
6) Why do you never ever answer any questions?

All are easy questions, the rest of the newsgroup will be elated if you manage to answer even one.

Do you actually read any of the responses to your posts? No? I didn't think so. I ask a very simple
question, who has purchased a Bigha for the full outrageous price of $3000.00, and you freak out
over it. You need serious help. If you don't have anything to say about the subject (that's that
line at the top that says "BiGHA Comments"😉 stop trying to change the subject.

Is there anyone on this news group, who is not a known liar, who has actually purchased a Bigha for
the full $3000.00 price?

Lorenzo L. Love home.thegrid.net~llloveOpen ↗

"Let us be thankful for the fools; but for them the rest of us could not succeed.” Mark Twain

"Eduardo L P Jr" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> escreveu na mensagem
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I do not believe the Muslim religion is a religion of peace, but rather it is a religion of
perpetual war against the "infidel". It has no toleration for other religious beliefs and will
always persecute those of other religious beliefs if it has the advantage and can do so safely.
The history of Muslim countries is replete with countless examples. The Muslims currently living
in the West are being Westernized and so there is no danger of their intolerance ever
manifesting itself in the West.

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You've described the Xiita muslims (the minority), not the Sunita muslims (the majority)... Muslim
religion is a religion of peace. The principle of Jihad, isn't the war against the infidels...
Jihad is a fight against infidelity. Not all the muslim people are terrorist.

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Before you blow me in bits, I'm not muslim, I'm roman catholic, but I have several muslim
friends, jew friends and protestant friends. I respect their religions, because I like when they
respect mine...

The Holy Mother Church (Mosque) of Islam is Saudi Arabia. That is where Mecca and Medina are located
and the Saudi version of Islam is the pure distilled essence of the religion. I recognize there are
many differences among the various sects (branches) of Islam, but what unites them all is much more
significant than what separates them. Ask your Mulsim friends how they feel about atheists to get a
better gauge of their tolerance quotient.

By the way, I find the concept of jihad (holy war) repugnant and that right there is a very big
element of their intolerance.

Main Entry: ji·had Pronunciation: ji-'häd, chiefly British -'had Function: noun Etymology: Arabic
jihAd Date: 1869
1 : a holy war waged on behalf of Islam as a religious duty
2 : a crusade for a principle or belief

Merriam-Webster

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

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I took a look at the human rights violations documented by Amnesty International and the UN
concerning the Islamic Republic of Iran. Looking at the record here are my observations in the
areas of their Compassion, Peace, Inter-Faith, and Women's Rights:

Compassion - Bloodthirsty is more like it. Political dissenters, criminals,

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death sentences, executions, arrests, and detention according to the U.N. Recently four men were
stoned to death for unspecified reasons.

Peace - Kept internally by brutal savage force.

Interfaith Tolerance - Serious problems here. The UN has recorded egregious violations against
the Baha'i community of Iran, that country's second largest religious minority. The UN calls it
"an unabated pattern of persecution". Same goes for Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, and most
especially those who denounce religion or are atheist.

Women's Rights - Basically non-existent. I think each Islamic man can own up to five of them.
Stoning is still practiced in cases of adultery. Most recently in Shiraz seven women were given
50 lashes each for allegedly showing disrespect during the month of Ramadan.

If there is anything that should be wiped off the face of the earth I would put Islamic
Republics toward the top of the list. Thankfully the Islamic regime in Afghanistan is back in
their caves where they belong, at least for the time being.

skip

Skip, there is no limit to the number of women muslim men can own. I myself have 12 (joking of
course)! What will you think of next?

I'm glad you enjoy reading reports by the UN and Amnesty International. I'm sure you find these
reports to be very informative, except when they report on Israel, in which case they are clearly
biased, correct?

Here is our moronic Muslim again daring to compare Israel with Iran. He is as bad as that other
idiot on this newsgroup, Mr. Sherman , who does this sort of thing all the time too. But Mr. Sherman
always likes to leave the impression that what Israel is doing is much worse! Like I have said
before, if you are going to be an idiot, you might as well go all the way and be a complete idiot
like Mr. Sherman.

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In all honesty, many countries practice what is called "Sharia" or Islamic law, but their
interpretations are ridiculous. True Islamic law makes serious convictions almost impossible. In
the case of the adultering woman, at least 3 eyewitnesses must testify against her.

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prove. Capital punishment can be sentenced for many crimes, but the Qu'ran has many lines similar
to the Bible's "let he without sin cast the first stone."

Here is the most pitiful excuse for the barbarities of Islam that I have ever read. You had best
leave it to your clerics to explain it as you have just confirmed every bad impression any Westerner
ever had about Islam.

To compare the Bible to the Koran is another outrage. One is at the least a work of art and the
other is nothing but insane ramblings about on the level of the Book of Mormon. Islam was a sect
that never became any thing other than what it originally was - a sect. It is not a true
universal religion at all. It was spread by force of arms and that is still the only way it can
convert anyone.

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I think the problem is "Holy-Men" such as Osama and the leaders in these countries truly regard
themselves as without sin. They use their versions of Islamic law to keep themselves in power, and
hold their adversaries down.

Islamic law (all versions of it) ought to be thrown into the dust bin of history where it belongs.
That anyone in this day and age can be living according to such nonsense is beyond belief to those
of us in the West. The various Islamic "republics" that we have seen so far (Afghanistan and Iran)
are an abomination and totally go against human nature. They are as bad as communism ever was, maybe
even worse since the ideology supporting them is even crazier.

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Again, if muslims are so intolerant, why do we not go door to door trying to convert people?
When have you seen an ad encouraging you to check out Islam? If God wanted to unite man under
one nation and one religion he would. Diversity and how we deal with one another is a part of
life's test.

You are confusing tolerance with proselytizing. I have already told you repeatedly that Muslims
proselytize at the point of a sword. Either convert or die! You might want to consider converting to
Christianity if you are truly God-saturated. The best version I can recommend to you is Roman
Catholicism. It is one of the oldest religions and has a proven track record and its adherents
regard it as the only true religion. All others, including Islam, are heretical.

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This is why as a leader, Muhammad did not force all of his followers to convert to Islam.
Non-Muslim residents paid a lower tax rate and did not have to serve in the military even though
they enjoyed equal rights under the law.

Christians tell me I will go to hell because I do not share their beliefs. I do not believe you
will go to hell for being a non-muslim. I will be judged according to Islam and you will be judged
according to your own standards - even if you are an atheist.

We atheists will be judged according to what takes place in the history of the times we live in, not
in some never-never other world. Because of that, we are also capable of judging all other religions
by the standard which we accept for ourselves. The Islamic terrorists have been found severely
wanting and all I want is to see all of them dead. I hope there is a hell so they can spend all
eternity there being repeatedly blown to pieces by bombs.

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I'm sorry you feel the way you do about Islam. It's sad that the actions of the few zealots will
control the perception you have of the masses. But if you're interested in learning the truth I
suggest you meet Muslims in your area or read the Qu'ran for yourself (and while you're at it,
please find me anything in there about 72 virgins for each martyr - it's just a myth). If you want
to continue following your own foolish and bigoted views, be my guest as well. I for one would be
happy to drop this subject.

No Christian or atheist is interested in reading the Koran for heaven's sake! Why would we want to
read that when we have the Bible to read. And we do not need to talk to individual Muslims either.
We know all we need to know by following the news reports of what your brethren are doing in the
world. Do you think we are stupid or what? If I think you are trying to kill me, I will then try to
kill you first. That is the ultimate "truth". You are the worst apologist for Islam that I have ever
been exposed to.

Why don't you just come out and yell it ... "I God Damn all those

can to kill them all and put them out of their misery as fast as possible"! If that is being
simplistic, then I plead guilty.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

William Higley said:

Question: If a bear craps in the woods and no one is around, does it still stink?...

That would depend on several factors, the most important of which would be the quality and nature of
the bear's dietary intake in the recent past.

"Stinking" is also highly subjective, as any knowledgeable observer of the behavior of the
domesticated variety of the Canis lupus can attest to, as the hominid observer and said canine will
generally have a great variance of opinion on which emanations of odor are attractive.

Tom Sherman - Planet Earth

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Question: If a bear craps in the woods and no one is around, does it still stink?

Answer: Who cares.

Would you pay $3000 to find out?

At this point in time "Who Cares"?

Logic is lost on our dear L.L.L. Rest assured that what any of us write here will probably have a
very negligible effect on the sales of BiGHA. If it goes down in flames it will not be because of
the efforts of Mr. Love. If the sales go platinum, I doubt that will be a repudiation of his
concerns.

Let him pretend he has convinced us all with his superior logic. That may get him to quit whining.

William Higley, Sr. (Have I crapped in the woods? Are you willing to pay $3000 to find out?)
Vision R-50 RANS Rocket

Have you purchased a Bigha for the full $3000.00 price? Will you? Do you have anything at all to say
about Bigha? If the answer to these questions are no, when why are you posting under this subject?

Lorenzo L. Love home.thegrid.net~llloveOpen ↗

“In the old days being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody’s crazy.” Charles Manson

Edward Dolan said:

Here is our moronic Muslim again daring to compare Israel with Iran. He is as bad as that other
idiot on this newsgroup, Mr. Sherman , who does this sort of thing all the time too. But Mr.
Sherman always likes to leave the impression that what Israel is doing is much worse!...

<http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/>

Tom Sherman - Planet Earth

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William Higley said:

Question: If a bear craps in the woods and no one is around, does it still stink?

Answer: Who cares.

Would you pay $3000 to find out?

At this point in time "Who Cares"?

Logic is lost on our dear L.L.L. Rest assured that what any of us write here will probably have
a very negligible effect on the sales of BiGHA. If it goes down in flames it will not be because
of the efforts of Mr. Love. If the sales go platinum, I doubt that will be a repudiation of his
concerns.

Let him pretend he has convinced us all with his superior logic. That may get him to quit
whining.

William Higley, Sr. (Have I crapped in the woods? Are you willing to pay $3000 to find out?)
Vision R-50 RANS Rocket

Have you purchased a Bigha for the full $3000.00 price? Will you? Do you have anything at all to
say about Bigha? If the answer to these questions are no, when why are you posting under this
subject?

Lorenzo L. Love home.thegrid.net~llloveOpen ↗

“In the old days being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody’s crazy.” Charles Manson

I've noticed that Lorenzo thinks he owns any conversation pertaining to Bigha. If you don't condemn
the bike and join his Jihad, he acts as though you have no right to post on his thread and calls you
insane. Sure, you're allowed to call the bike Satan on Wheels, but if think otherwise, or simply do
not have an opinion on the bike, you become his blood enemy.

I honestly can't figure out his obsession with Bigha. I'm beginning to think he's a semi-functioning
Autistic and something about Bigha triggers unpleasant memories from his childhood.

You may have noticed some of my posts above where I ask him specific questions. He's never actually
responded to any of them, he only says I'm crazy or I'm a liar. When I ask him to be more specific
he says I'm crazy or I'm a liar. I thought he was just being a troll at first, but now I honestly
think he doesn't know any better.

Either he's delusional or completely self-centered. And what's with the quotes he's always adding on
to his posts? Are they supposed to make him look more intelligent? I have a hard time trusting
people who back up their points with quotes from Charles Manson.

I guess I was trying to have an argument with him, but I've already won by default because I'm the
only one who makes coherant points.

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I laughed out loud when I read your post. How can you be so ignorant as to believe everything
you read and see on TV? Then you form an idea in your head and protect this idea by obtaining as
little information as possible on the subject. I don't see where you get off admonishing Larry
Varney for reading a book. He simply said he was reading a book and had not admitted forming any
opinions on the matter. Some people (apparently not Ed Dolan) like to make up their own minds
rather than believe everything they hear and see from others.

I am always in favor of an open mind on any and all subjects, but liberals have closed minds on
all subjects. They are ruled by their ideology which tells them what to think about everything
under the sun. Mr. Varney makes a big issue of being a free thinker never realizing how much his
thinking is already circumscribed by his ideology. You too I suspect. But for the ultimate moron,
the ultimate imbecile, the ultimate liberal ideologue, I give you the supreme jackass of all time
otherwise known as Mr. Sherman. If you think like him, than you are lost and gone forever.

I agree that many "free thinkers" are often closed minded indeed. But you seem to only be describing
yourself when you speak of being ruled by an ideology that tells you what to think about everything
under the sun. Your ideology is Fox News and whatever book it is you read, and you refuse to test
their accuracy by learning anything on the subject. Sir, you are not an expert!

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"There is no free press in the Muslim world that I know of." You could probably fill the Great
Lakes with what you don't know. You also didn't know that there were Christian Palestinians, who
by the way, also fight the Israeli occupation. Does that make Christianity a brutal religion?
Free press exists throughout the world except for places like China, North Korea and, until
recently, Iraq. Just because something has a different slant than American media does not make
it propogandous.

I suspect those few Christian Palestinians had best get on board or they would quickly be done
away with. To claim that the Arabs have a free press is just too ridiculous for words and
marks you for the ignoramus that you are. The Arab press is nothing but propaganda. You, sir,
are a moron!

Honestly, what do you know about Christian Palestinians? They are fighting for the same cause as
most Muslim Palestinians. They join terror groups (secular ones) and willfully fight against
Israelis. Not all Palestinian groups are Islamic based. There are a few, such as Islamic Jihad and
Hamas, however the vast majority are secular and anyone can join.

Also, what do you know about Arab press? There are many news networks just like in the US. Not all
countries control the media - just an unfortunate few. Also, you make the mistake of confusing the
"muslim world" with the "arab world." The two are not synonomous despite the stereotype.

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"That is your world, not mine. Maybe you would like to return to it, but we in the West think it
is all an abomination!" You'd like me to go back to where? Sorry, I was born and raised here in
America, where I work and vote. This may scare you, but there are millions more just like me! As
for "we in the West," you're speaking only for yourself. Most Americans and westerners are not
as simple minded as you and wish to know the entire truth before they condemn something.

Sometimes the more a person "learns" the stupider they get. That is ever the problem with
liberals. I think all that learning they engage in must atrophy the judgmental faculties. Simple
minds can often cut to the quick of something whereas sophisticated minds have been educated
stupid. Have I ever told you that I would rather be ruled by the first 10 people in the Boston
telephone directory than I would the first 10 people in the Harvard University faculty directory
(or the entire faculty for that matter).

Super. OK.

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I just read your post again, and I think you must be joking. Nobody would admit to being as
simple and closed minded as you are. I am done talking to you unless you have some serious
questions on Islam, or by the stroke of some miracle, you decide you're interested in recumbent
bicycles. Otherwise, please feel free to continue to spew your ridiculous hatred towards
Muslims, just know that it has very little effect on anyone. No matter what you say, God is
still greater than you or any ugly lie you can tell.

You and I are going to get along great as neither one of us likes to say anything of substance. I
suggest you stay the hell away from that idiot Mr. Sherman as he will bombard you with useless
and irrelevant "facts" which will only befuddle you and make you even more stupid than you
already are.

So who do you hate more: Tom Sherman or Muslims?

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I would further suggest to you that most Americans are not having exactly a love relationship with
Muslims. On the contrary, the hatred of them is growing by leaps and bounds. I feel like Paul
Revere sounding the alarm. But sleep on McDuff! You will never know what kills you as you are
sound asleep and nothing can wake you up.

What? I'm so confused by that last paragraph that I cannot possibly formulate a response.

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I took a look at the human rights violations documented by Amnesty International and the UN
concerning the Islamic Republic of Iran. Looking at the record here are my observations in the
areas of their Compassion, Peace, Inter-Faith, and Women's Rights:

Compassion - Bloodthirsty is more like it. Political dissenters, criminals,

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death sentences, executions, arrests, and detention according to the U.N. Recently four men
were stoned to death for unspecified reasons.

Peace - Kept internally by brutal savage force.

Interfaith Tolerance - Serious problems here. The UN has recorded egregious violations against
the Baha'i community of Iran, that country's second largest religious minority. The UN calls
it "an unabated pattern of persecution". Same goes for Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, and
most especially those who denounce religion or are atheist.

Women's Rights - Basically non-existent. I think each Islamic man can own up to five of them.
Stoning is still practiced in cases of adultery. Most recently in Shiraz seven women were
given 50 lashes each for allegedly showing disrespect during the month of Ramadan.

If there is anything that should be wiped off the face of the earth I would put Islamic
Republics toward the top of the list. Thankfully the Islamic regime in Afghanistan is back in
their caves where they belong, at least for the time being.

skip

Skip, there is no limit to the number of women muslim men can own. I myself have 12 (joking of
course)! What will you think of next?

I'm glad you enjoy reading reports by the UN and Amnesty International. I'm sure you find these
reports to be very informative, except when they report on Israel, in which case they are
clearly biased, correct?

Here is our moronic Muslim again daring to compare Israel with Iran. He is as bad as that other
idiot on this newsgroup, Mr. Sherman , who does this sort of thing all the time too. But Mr.
Sherman always likes to leave the impression that what Israel is doing is much worse! Like I have
said before, if you are going to be an idiot, you might as well go all the way and be a complete
idiot like Mr. Sherman.

I'm not comparing any two countries. I just find it interesting that he would cite a UN report,
when I'm almost certain if anyone cited a UN report on Israel he would condemn it, and so would
you. You can't

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In all honesty, many countries practice what is called "Sharia" or Islamic law, but their
interpretations are ridiculous. True Islamic law makes serious convictions almost impossible. In
the case of the adultering woman, at least 3 eyewitnesses must testify against her.

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prove. Capital punishment can be sentenced for many crimes, but the Qu'ran has many lines
similar to the Bible's "let he without sin cast the first stone."

Here is the most pitiful excuse for the barbarities of Islam that I have ever read. You had best
leave it to your clerics to explain it as you have just confirmed every bad impression any
Westerner ever had about Islam.

To compare the Bible to the Koran is another outrage. One is at the least a work of art and the
other is nothing but insane ramblings about on the level of the Book of Mormon. Islam was a sect
that never became any thing other than what it originally was - a sect. It is not a true
universal religion at all. It was spread by force of arms and that is still the only way it can
convert anyone.

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I think the problem is "Holy-Men" such as Osama and the leaders in these countries truly regard
themselves as without sin. They use their versions of Islamic law to keep themselves in power,
and hold their adversaries down.

Islamic law (all versions of it) ought to be thrown into the dust bin of history where it belongs.
That anyone in this day and age can be living according to such nonsense is beyond belief to those
of us in the West. The various Islamic "republics" that we have seen so far (Afghanistan and Iran)
are an abomination and totally go against human nature. They are as bad as communism ever was,
maybe even worse since the ideology supporting them is even crazier.

Your last few comments are so stupid they deserve no comment. Sorry, try harder next time.

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Again, if muslims are so intolerant, why do we not go door to door trying to convert people?
When have you seen an ad encouraging you to check out Islam? If God wanted to unite man under
one nation and one religion he would. Diversity and how we deal with one another is a part of
life's test.

You are confusing tolerance with proselytizing. I have already told you repeatedly that Muslims
proselytize at the point of a sword. Either convert or die! You might want to consider converting
to Christianity if you are truly God-saturated. The best version I can recommend to you is Roman
Catholicism. It is one of the oldest religions and has a proven track record and its adherents
regard it as the only true religion. All others, including Islam, are heretical.

I just told you muslims don't try to convert anyone to anything. But I guess you know better than
me, since I apparently know nothing about the religion I practice and you are an expert on it
because you've seen Fox News. You're making very little sense. It's painful to see you revert to
your bigotry rather than accept knowledge or other points of view that are presented. You act as
though you're omnipotent even though you don't even know some of the most basic and trivial facts on
the subject.

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This is why as a leader, Muhammad did not force all of his followers to convert to Islam.
Non-Muslim residents paid a lower tax rate and did not have to serve in the military even though
they enjoyed equal rights under the law.

Christians tell me I will go to hell because I do not share their beliefs. I do not believe you
will go to hell for being a non-muslim. I will be judged according to Islam and you will be
judged according to your own standards - even if you are an atheist.

We atheists will be judged according to what takes place in the history of the times we live in,
not in some never-never other world. Because of that, we are also capable of judging all other
religions by the standard which we accept for ourselves. The Islamic terrorists have been found
severely wanting and all I want is to see all of them dead. I hope there is a hell so they can
spend all eternity there being repeatedly blown to pieces by bombs.

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I'm sorry you feel the way you do about Islam. It's sad that the actions of the few zealots will
control the perception you have of the masses. But if you're interested in learning the truth I
suggest you meet Muslims in your area or read the Qu'ran for yourself (and while you're at it,
please find me anything in there about 72 virgins for each martyr - it's just a myth). If you
want to continue following your own foolish and bigoted views, be my guest as well. I for one
would be happy to drop this subject.

No Christian or atheist is interested in reading the Koran for heaven's sake! Why would we want to
read that when we have the Bible to read. And we do not need to talk to individual Muslims either.
We know all we need to know by following the news reports of what your brethren are doing in the
world. Do you think we are stupid or what? If I think you are trying to kill me, I will then try
to kill you first. That is the ultimate "truth". You are the worst apologist for Islam that I have
ever been exposed to.

OK, was there a point in there somewhere? Should you be judged by the actions of every Minnestoan,
every American or every athiest? Do you agree with everything Bill Clinton stands for? Are you a
clone of Jesse Ventura? No, you can only speak for yourself. It's silly to lump everyone of a
particular group together. Especially when that group represents 20% of the planet!

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Why don't you just come out and yell it ... "I God Damn all those

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can to kill them all and put them out of their misery as fast as possible"! If that is being
simplistic, then I plead guilty.

I cannot damn terrorists to Hell. Only God can do such a thing, and I believe he will. Muhammad
warns us of a time in the future when people will use his teachings to spreat violence, hate and
evil. He tells us they must be defeated. Many muslims, including myself, believe Osama and co. to be
these people. I support the efforts to topple him.

Main Entry: re·cum·bent Pronunciation: -b&nt Function: adjective Etymology: L recumbent-, recumbens,
present participle of recumbere to lie down, from re- + -cumbere to lie down; akin to Latin cubare
to lie Date: 1705 1 a : suggestive of repose : LEANING, RESTING b : lying down
2 : representing a person lying down <a recumbent statue>

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The Holy Mother Church (Mosque) of Islam is Saudi Arabia. That is where Mecca and Medina are
located and the Saudi version of Islam is the pure distilled essence of the religion. I recognize
there are many differences among the various sects (branches) of Islam, but what unites them all
is much more significant than what separates them. Ask your Mulsim friends how they feel about
atheists to get a better gauge of their tolerance quotient.

By the way, I find the concept of jihad (holy war) repugnant and that right there is a very big
element of their intolerance.

Main Entry: ji·had Pronunciation: ji-'häd, chiefly British -'had Function: noun Etymology: Arabic
jihAd Date: 1869
1 : a holy war waged on behalf of Islam as a religious duty
2 : a crusade for a principle or belief

Merriam-Webster

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Mr. Dolan

Tolerance is a permanent exercise. My muslim friends are tolerant with my other friends (mainly the
agnostic ones...), because we exercise our mutual tolerance. After a soccer game, we go to drink.
The muslims (two Palestinians and one Jordanian) respect us because we drink beer and they don't try
to convert us about this "demoniac beverage". And we respect them because their religion. This is
the secret of our friendship.

By the way... You've used a concept take out from Merriam-Webster - a dictionary made by americans
to americans, and I think this is not a good source of knowledge... I don't think that M-W may give
me a good concept of Jihad. To take closer to our topics, I've took another concept from M-W...
Here we are:

Main Entry: re·cum·bent Pronunciation: -b&nt Function: adjective Etymology: L recumbent-, recumbens,
present participle of recumbere to lie down, from re- + -cumbere to lie down; akin to Latin cubare
to lie Date: 1705 1 a : suggestive of repose : LEANING, RESTING b : lying down
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Based on this concept, I'll put my 'bent on my garden with a small golden fish fountain lake because
it's a statue, isnt' it?

All the best

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No Christian or atheist is interested in reading the Koran for heaven's sake! Why would we want to
read that when we have the Bible to read.

Why on earth would I want to read the bible? I'm no more interested in reading it than I am in
reading the Koran, the Book of Mormon or "Mein Kampf".

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Edward Dolan said:

Here is our moronic Muslim again daring to compare Israel with Iran. He is as bad as that other
idiot on this newsgroup, Mr. Sherman , who does this sort of thing all the time too. But Mr.
Sherman always likes to leave the impression that what Israel is doing is much worse!...

<http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/>

The Jews do not need external enemies. They have enough enemies within Judaism. The only people who
would read what you reference are enemies of the State of Israel. Since I am not an enemy of the
State of Israel, I will of course not bother to read any of it. Suffice it to say, the vast majority
of the Jews world wide greatly favor the existence of the State of Israel and most will fight to the
death to defend it. Israel is our one and only ally in the region and a true friend to the U.S. I
know something about loyalty to one's friends and so does the average Israeli.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

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Edward Dolan said:

No Christian or atheist is interested in reading the Koran for heaven's sake! Why would we want
to read that when we have the Bible to read.

Why on earth would I want to read the bible? I'm no more interested in reading it than I am in
reading the Koran, the Book of Mormon or "Mein Kampf".

Do you mean you personally or you as a representative of Western civilization?

Nope, not a good analysis or understanding of what I said. The Bible is THE BOOK of Western
civilization. It is the foundation of the Judeo-Christian ethic which underlies all our Western
democracies. It is our Book par excellence.

The Koran is alien to us and need not concern us except to the extent that we need to know how to
defend against its teachings. The Book of Mormon and Mein Kampf are minor books in the extreme and
are side shows to Western civilization.

Any Muslim who expects those of us in the West to bother about the Koran is not oriented in reality.
The Koran is a mole hill; the Bible is Mt. Everest. If you want to play intellectual games you are
going to have to learn how to make evaluations and not be running things together.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

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No Christian or atheist is interested in reading the Koran for heaven's sake! Why would we want
to read that when we have the Bible to read. And we do not need to talk to individual Muslims
either. We know all we need to know by following the news reports of what your brethren are
doing in the world. Do you think we are stupid or what? If I think you are trying to kill me, I
will then try to kill you first. That is the ultimate "truth". You are the worst apologist for
Islam that I have ever been exposed to.

OK, was there a point in there somewhere? Should you be judged by the actions of every Minnesotan,
every American or every atheist? Do you agree with everything Bill Clinton stands for? Are you a
clone of Jesse Ventura? No, you can only speak for yourself. It's silly to lump everyone of a
particular group together. Especially when that group represents 20% of the planet!

Groups are judged each and every day in this world by everyone. The Muslims themselves through out
the Middle East are the most group think people on the face of the earth (of course, to dissent
there is to maybe lose your head). People are judged by their associations, by the groups they
belong to.

As a Muslim, you will not escape from some of the anti-Muslim sentiment that is building world wide
against your religion as a result of what the terrorists are doing. It is one thing to speak for
yourself, but you cannot escape your group identifications either.

There is nothing peculiar about being a Minnesotan, but there is about being an American. Every
American as soon as he goes abroad realizes that in a flash. Some groups count, others don't.

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Why don't you just come out and yell it ... "I God Damn all those

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can to kill them all and put them out of their misery as fast as possible"! If that is being
simplistic, then I plead guilty.

I cannot damn terrorists to Hell. Only God can do such a thing, and I believe he will. Muhammad
warns us of a time in the future when people will use his teachings to spreat violence, hate and
evil. He tells us they must be defeated. Many muslims, including myself, believe Osama and co. to
be these people. I support the efforts to topple him.

OK! It was like pulling teeth, but you have said the right thing. I do admit you to the common
company of humanity despite your religion. You are not a terrorist, but you are part of a religion
from which it springs. The Muslim terrorists will have to be finally wiped off the face of the earth
by their fellow Muslims in their homeland of the Middle East. I think the Saudi will eventually
undertake to do this, especially if they keep getting attacked by the terrorists.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

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I agree that many "free thinkers" are often closed minded indeed. But you seem to only be
describing yourself when you speak of being ruled by an ideology that tells you what to think
about everything under the sun. Your ideology is Fox News and whatever book it is you read, and
you refuse to test their accuracy by learning anything on the subject. Sir, you are not an expert!

Conservative ideology is a mess and always has been. Liberal ideology is much more structured and
thorough going. It has been worked on over the past century and means something. Conservative
thinking wanders all over the place and I would never describe it as an ideology. It is more just
what traditional Americans have always thought about things and is largely defined by its opposition
to liberal ideology.

What I know about the world is mostly based on a lifetime of reading and experience. I do not have
to gather the latest news on everything to have an opinion. I know what to think with out being
burdened by a lot of facts. ......

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Honestly, what do you know about Christian Palestinians? They are fighting for the same cause as
most Muslim Palestinians. They join terror groups (secular ones) and willfully fight against
Israelis. Not all Palestinian groups are Islamic based. There are a few, such as Islamic Jihad and
Hamas, however the vast majority are secular and anyone can join.

The Palestinians, whatever their religion (I suspect it is 95% Muslim), are the most badly led
people in the world. Arafat has been a disaster for them. He should have been overthrown many years
ago. I do not know why Israel has not taken him out long ago.

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Also, what do you know about Arab press? There are many news networks just like in the US. Not all
countries control the media - just an unfortunate few. Also, you make the mistake of confusing the
"muslim world" with the "arab world." The two are not synonomous despite the stereotype.

I refuse to discuss the Muslim Arab press with you. Mr. Sherman is your man for that. He will tell
you that they have us much freedom as we do here in the West no doubt.

I well know the difference between the Arab World and the Muslim World. Nonetheless, religion is the
strongest bond in the Muslim World, most especially in third world countries which have poorly
developed nation states. That is why Osama can move so freely all over the Muslim World. Islam is
more important than is nationalism. The reverse is the case in the Christian West. ......

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So who do you hate more: Tom Sherman or Muslims?

I only hate the Muslim terrorists!

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I would further suggest to you that most Americans are not having exactly a love relationship
with Muslims. On the contrary, the hatred of them is growing by leaps and bounds. I feel like
Paul Revere sounding the alarm. But sleep on McDuff! You will never know what kills you as you
are sound asleep and nothing can wake you up.

What? I'm so confused by that last paragraph that I cannot possibly formulate a response.

You would have to read Shakespeare to get the allusion to McDuff.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

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I know what to think with out being burdened by a lot of facts. ......

You would have to read Shakespeare to get the allusion to McDuff.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

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William Higley said:

Question: If a bear craps in the woods and no one is around, does it still stink?

Answer: Who cares.

Would you pay $3000 to find out?

At this point in time "Who Cares"?

Logic is lost on our dear L.L.L. Rest assured that what any of us write here will probably have a
very negligible effect on the sales of BiGHA. If it goes down in flames it will not be because of
the efforts of Mr. Love. If the sales go platinum, I doubt that will be a repudiation of his
concerns.

Let him pretend he has convinced us all with his superior logic. That may get him to quit
whining.

William Higley, Sr. (Have I crapped in the woods? Are you willing to pay $3000 to find out?)
Vision R-50 RANS Rocket

Have you purchased a Bigha for the full $3000.00 price? Will you? Do you have anything at all to
say about Bigha? If the answer to these questions are no, when why are you posting under this
subject?

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“In the old days being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody’s crazy.” Charles Manson

I've noticed that Lorenzo thinks he owns any conversation pertaining to Bigha. If you don't
condemn the bike and join his Jihad, he acts as though you have no right to post on his thread and
calls you insane. Sure, you're allowed to call the bike Satan on Wheels, but if think otherwise,
or simply do not have an opinion on the bike, you become his blood enemy.

I honestly can't figure out his obsession with Bigha. I'm beginning to think he's a
semi-functioning Autistic and something about Bigha triggers unpleasant memories from his
childhood.

You may have noticed some of my posts above where I ask him specific questions. He's never
actually responded to any of them, he only says I'm crazy or I'm a liar. When I ask him to be more
specific he says I'm crazy or I'm a liar. I thought he was just being a troll at first, but now I
honestly think he doesn't know any better.

Either he's delusional or completely self-centered. And what's with the quotes he's always adding
on to his posts? Are they supposed to make him look more intelligent? I have a hard time trusting
people who back up their points with quotes from Charles Manson.

I guess I was trying to have an argument with him, but I've already won by default because I'm the
only one who makes coherant points.

Coherant? You repeatedly lie about what I have said, falsely claim I never answer questions even as
you quote my answers, continually try to change the subject because you don't like the answers to my
questions. If that is your definition of coherent then you are even more delusional then I thought.

The question is: Is there anyone on this news group, who is not a known liar, who has actually
purchased a Bigha for the full $3000.00 price? The answer that Turner is trying to cover up is NO,
no one experienced with recumbent bicycles is buying this bike because it is ridiculously
overpriced. Not even Turner will buy one. Why Turner would be so troubled by this is curious. If he
doesn't have a financial interest then why does he care? The only answer I can come up with is that
he is just plain nuts.

Lorenzo L. Love home.thegrid.net~llloveOpen ↗

Main Entry: psy·cho·sis Pronunciation: sI-'kO-s&s Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural
psy·cho·ses /-"sEz/ Etymology: New Latin Date: 1847
: fundamental mental derangement (as schizophrenia) characterized by
defective or lost contact with reality

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