Bike and AMericans

Discussion in 'Road Cycling' started by Red Cloud, Apr 18, 2004.

  1. Matt O'Toole

    Matt O'Toole Guest

    Red Cloud wrote:

    > Hardly believe UC David has a thousand bike,


    Davis has been one of the most bike friendly communities in North America since
    the beginning. It's famous for it.

    > but CSULA, CSULB, CSUF,
    > CSU Domingze Hill has no much biker. I saw more skateboard rider than
    > Bike rider.
    > Defintely bike is not popular around here.


    Kids use skateboards because they can take them on the bus. All the schools you
    mention have a lot of bus riders.

    Matt O.
     


  2. GaryG

    GaryG Guest

    "Red Cloud" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > "GaryG" <[email protected]_SPAMBEGONE_software.com> wrote in message

    news:<[email protected]>...
    > > "Red Cloud" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]

    >
    > > bikes,
    > > > > and even have a student-funded on campus bike repair facility on

    campus.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > HOw many bike you see in Northern CA CSU Davis CAmpus? I don't see
    > > > much bike in CSU Los angeles?

    > >
    > > I don't know about LA, but UC Davis has THOUSANDS of bikes on campus

    every
    > > day. So does CSU Chico.
    > >
    > > GG

    >
    >
    > Hardly believe UC David has a thousand bike, but CSULA, CSULB, CSUF,
    > CSU Domingze Hill has no much biker. I saw more skateboard rider than
    > Bike rider.
    > Defintely bike is not popular around here.


    Why not you believe UD Davd not have bikes, pleez?

    Freakin' troll loser...

    GG
     
  3. Alex Colvin

    Alex Colvin Guest

    >> I go to any American college and count how many bike I see parked in
    >> bike-rack? One or two. Here in my city in a local college, to count
    >> the number of bikes inside of campus, the number is less than 20 or
    >> less. I will never see here in American campus the tremendous number
    >> of bikes parked in English campus like Cambridge or Oxford (I wonder
    >> how could find your bike)


    The US doesn't generally have the population density of much of Europe.
    American cities tend to be more spread out, making mass transit less
    effective. That, and the cult of the automobile, make bicycling less
    popular.

    >Red Cloud,


    the name of a famous American.

    --
    mac the naïf
     
  4. SniffinVinyl

    SniffinVinyl Guest

    Then you don't know very much do you 'Red'?

    Canadians are probably the least Anti-American of all societies. Now lets
    change that around into something positive instead of dwelling on negatives.
    Americans are our best friends. period.

    We have different political preferences, being more in the middle in Canada
    as opposed to the right in USA, but definitely not on the left. The USA is
    our largest trading partner and that goes both ways. We are heavily
    influenced culturally but do our best to counter this in order order to
    maintain our Canadian identity.

    We are way more on the side of world and UN opinion when it comes to making
    unilateral vs. concensus based military decisions. As for GWB and WMD, you
    don't have to venture outside of the USA to find a large groundswell of
    opinion against the current regime. It may get tossed out in November and it
    may get re-elected, that will be the will of the American people and not
    outsiders.

    BTW what's your point if your not trolling, I am getting bored with this
    thread. You have the arrogance to judge and yet you demonstrate no
    comprehension of the evolutionary nature of societal development and its
    dependencies on economic and geographical influences. You come across as
    embittered against a society that allows you to speak your mind and offers
    you the freedom to follow your own value system whatever that may be. So go
    follow it and stop judging others. The irony here is that you eschew your
    perception of a superficial value system based on your demonstrated
    superficial understanding of it.

    And of Canadians

    You are a troll.

    Sniffinvinyl
    ----------
    Remain sane, cycle your brains out . . .


    "Red Cloud" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > "SniffinVinyl" <[email protected]> wrote in message

    news:<[email protected]>...
    > > Good post, unfortunately this guy looks like a troll. Most of his
    > > observations are likely true, but he displays no understanding of why

    there
    > > are differences with Europe, and yet in the same breath is making an

    implied
    > > judgement.
    > >

    >
    > I feel sad you think I'm trolling. I'm making a point regardign the
    > most
    > important aspect of bicycle. How could that be trolling?
    >
    >
    >
    > > Also, an observation from a Canadian, most of us do not think of

    ourselves
    > > as Americans, perhaps we are better described as North Americans. I

    think
    > > that for most of the rest of the world including Canada the term

    'American'
    > > applies to the USA.
    > >

    >
    > I myself quite surprise Canadian perception regarding their
    > relathionship
    > with American. It seems to me Canadian, if not the most
    > anti-American, is very
    > anti-american. Is not true that Canadian try to get close to EU's
    > socialism than Bush-American neo-nazism?
    >
    >
    >
    > > Sniffinvinyl
    > >

    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > >
    > >
    > > "psycholist" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]
    > > > "Red Cloud" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > news:[email protected]
    > > > > To talk about the topic of Bicycle to Americans, it's like asking a
    > > > > question
    > > > > to aliens. Aliens from out of space would not ride a bike like
    > > > > americans would.
    > > > > Bicycle is like a sort of unnecessarily and unfriendly item to most
    > > > > American.
    > > > > And is not part of American lives. Americans don't much care about
    > > > > bike
    > > > > when they are addicted to clean their automobile.
    > > > >
    > > > > For American, bike is just a recreational sport not as a
    > > > > transportation machine. That all that is. Most Probably only 2% or

    3%
    > > > > American riding a bike everyday. Most of them are poor underclass

    who
    > > > > can't afford car.
    > > > >
    > > > > I go to any American college and count how many bike I see parked in
    > > > > bike-rack? One or two. Here in my city in a local college, to count
    > > > > the number of bikes inside of campus, the number is less than 20 or
    > > > > less. I will never see here in American campus the tremendous number
    > > > > of bikes parked in English campus like Cambridge or Oxford (I wonder
    > > > > how could find your bike)
    > > >
    > > > Red Cloud,
    > > >
    > > > From your other post on this newsgroup, you obviously live in

    California.
    > > > Taking California as representative of all of America is like taking
    > > > television programming as representative of real life.
    > > >
    > > > I wish cycling were more popular here, but it's not as unpopular as

    you
    > > make
    > > > it out to be. The love affair with the car stems in part from the

    fact
    > > that
    > > > we have land here. We're not piled on top of each other like in some
    > > > European countries. And we're allowed to own land here ... unlike in

    some
    > > > countries. The distances between our places are more vast. Maybe not

    > > where
    > > > you are in California, but it's true in many other places. We have

    longer
    > > > distances to travel and we have a good road system to facilitate it.
    > > >
    > > > But some of the largest and most successful bicycle companies are here

    and
    > > > we're an important export market for European and Asian bicycle

    companies.
    > > > Some of those bikes gather dust in people's garages. Some actually

    get
    > > used
    > > > ... regularly.
    > > >
    > > > I attended a cycling event yesterday in a remote town called Clark's

    Hill,
    > > > SC. I don't know what the population is there, but it's VERY small.

    The
    > > > event drew from miles around, though and hundreds of people showed

    up --
    > > > hundreds of mostly very fit and healthy Americans who love to ride

    their
    > > > bikes.
    > > >
    > > > Don't judge America by California. Don't call the USA "America,"

    either
    > > ...
    > > > Canadians and Mexicans and others get offended 'cuz they're

    American's,
    > > too.
    > > >
    > > > I heard a good one the other day ... how many Frenchmen does it take

    to
    > > > defend Paris? Nobody knows ... it's never been done. I guess all

    > > Frenchmen
    > > > are cowards, eh?
    > > >
    > > > Bob C.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
     
  5. Matt O'Toole

    Matt O'Toole Guest

    SniffinVinyl wrote:

    > Canadians are probably the least Anti-American of all societies. Now
    > lets change that around into something positive instead of dwelling
    > on negatives.


    Dwelling on Canada's many positives -- they do seem to ride their bikes a lot
    more up there, despite the sucky weather.

    > Americans are our best friends. period.


    Right back at ya...

    Matt O.
     
  6. Red Cloud

    Red Cloud Guest

    "Bob" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > > HOw many bike you see in Northern CA CSU Davis CAmpus? I don't see
    > > much bike in CSU Los angeles?

    >
    > Do you see much grammar at CSULA?


    I see a clear trolling with faked ID at [email protected].
    YOu are faked your ID. Why?
     
  7. Red Cloud

    Red Cloud Guest

    "SniffinVinyl" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > Then you don't know very much do you 'Red'?
    >

    Let see it.


    > Canadians are probably the least Anti-American of all societies. Now lets
    > change that around into something positive instead of dwelling on negatives.
    > Americans are our best friends. period.
    >

    Let see it.


    > We have different political preferences, being more in the middle in Canada
    > as opposed to the right in USA, but definitely not on the left. The USA is
    > our largest trading partner and that goes both ways. We are heavily
    > influenced culturally but do our best to counter this in order order to
    > maintain our Canadian identity.
    >


    I do agree on that. Your Canada sounds like to flatter and to
    behave in a servile manner in order to gain something from the big
    brother who has
    the ultimate power of everthing even to destorying Canada.



    > We are way more on the side of world and UN opinion when it comes to making
    > unilateral vs. concensus based military decisions. As for GWB and WMD, you
    > don't have to venture outside of the USA to find a large groundswell of
    > opinion against the current regime. It may get tossed out in November and it
    > may get re-elected, that will be the will of the American people and not
    > outsiders.
    >

    I agree on that. I think Canada should not care inside of American
    stuff because Canada has other agenda which I will mention later.


    > BTW what's your point if your not trolling, I am getting bored with this
    > thread. You have the arrogance to judge and yet you demonstrate no
    > comprehension of the evolutionary nature of societal development and its
    > dependencies on economic and geographical influences. You come across as
    > embittered against a society that allows you to speak your mind and offers
    > you the freedom to follow your own value system whatever that may be. So go
    > follow it and stop judging others. The irony here is that you eschew your
    > perception of a superficial value system based on your demonstrated
    > superficial understanding of it.
    >


    You seem to quite not to be bored by my NG. You seem to like it! I
    enjoy it like I'm riding a bike on Hungray, Austria, South korea,
    Japan, Indian and Mexico, Bolivia, Brazil, New Zealand and many other
    nation on earth who don't mind to speak against the will of their
    government. I'm not only on Canada. I ride around the world to show
    the world many nation are free and right to speak one's own mind.

    Believe or not, you will get a traffic citation in USA according to
    the bicycle code such as: 1) not wearing a helmet 2) not having bike
    plate
    3) not having a horn 4) not having a headlight 5) wearing a headset
    (ear phones)

    Believe or not, I have to go to USA traffic court to fight for my
    right when
    I was wearing a cheap 99cent little headset radio while I was riding
    on a sidewalk.

    Beliveve or not, you can ride a bike without helmet, without bike
    plate, without having horn, without having headlight and wear a big
    hugh
    headset on most over 150 nation around the world.


    > And of Canadians
    >
    > You are a troll.


    Do you think I'm trolling? Go check out USA traffic code on bike
    section.
     
  8. Red Cloud

    Red Cloud Guest

    "Matt O'Toole" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > Terry Morse wrote:
    >
    > > Red Cloud wrote:
    > >
    > >> HOw many bike you see in Northern CA CSU Davis CAmpus? I don't see
    > >> much bike in CSU Los angeles?

    > >
    > > The City of Davis is reported to have about 50,000 bicycles, roughly
    > > one bicycle per person. Some 20% of trips in Davis are made by
    > > bicycle.
    > > http://www.bikeleague.org/mediacenter/medprs22.htm
    > >
    > > And here's my town, not quite as impressive, but still pretty good:
    > >
    > > "In Palo Alto, remarkable 4.4% of all trips are by bicycle. Palo
    > > Alto encourages city employees to bike to work by offering them a
    > > $20 monthly stipend.

    >
    > This is terrific, but I can't imagine $20 makes a difference to anyone who can
    > afford to live in Palo Alto! However, many people, including myself, view being
    > able to bike to work, etc., as a luxury. Real estate prices for villagey towns
    > like Palo Alto suggest that many people feel this way, and are willing to pay
    > for it. It's the less-well-off and the suckered who must put up with
    > car-dependence.
    >
    > > Los Angeles is the worst example of American car culture. But Los
    > > Angeles does not equal California, and it really does not equal the
    > > USA.

    >
    > Despite stereotypes, Los Angeles is *far* from being the worst example of
    > American car culture. It isn't even close to being the worst in CA. Nearby
    > Orange and Riverside counties are far worse, as is the sprawl extending eastward
    > and southward from the Bay Area. LA has distinct neighborhoods with everything
    > close by, public transportation that works better than spoiled upper middle
    > class white people give it credit for, plus the city is far more bikeable than
    > one might imagine. The sub-cities of Santa Monica, Pasadena, Glendale, and Long
    > Beach are all highly centralized, walkable, and bikeable. Long Beach even has a
    > Bikestation.
    >
    > And again, despite stereotypes, CA has nowhere near the worst sprawl in the
    > country. Newer areas of the Southeast are far worse. If you want to see
    > sprawl-hell, go to Washington or Atlanta! Charlotte, Greensboro-High Point, and
    > Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill aren't far behind. Notice the hyphens! What does
    > that tell you? Hyphenless Charlotte has a lovely downtown, with great,
    > affordable neighborhoods, but most Charlotteans live on the outskirts where they
    > can enjoy their love affairs with ride-on mowers.
    >
    > And then there's Texas...
    >
    > Matt O.


    I don't know if you ever ride a bike in LA and LB downtown. I have
    been riding
    bike many time there and I saw not much bikers. I felt like I was a
    sole rider
    in Long Beach and LA downtown. Those bikestation and bikable the
    cities provided does not meaning much when those local folks do not
    utilitzed it! Most LA and LB residents do NOT a ride bike!

    So your view on bikable and bikestatatoin does not do much to the
    bike-friendly
    environemnt when the folks hardly ride a bicycle.
     
  9. On 21 Apr 2004 00:14:40 -0700, [email protected] (Red Cloud)
    wrote:

    >Do you think I'm trolling? Go check out USA traffic code on bike
    >section.


    Which doesn't exist. There are no 'USA' codes for bikes related to
    traffic, beyond guidance for Interstates, unless you want to call
    traffic regs for military bases or federal parks as 'USA code'.

    Curtis L. Russell
    Odenton, MD (USA)
    Just someone on two wheels...
     
  10. Bob

    Bob Guest

    > > Do you see much grammar at CSULA?
    >
    > I see a clear trolling with faked ID at [email protected].
    > YOu are faked your ID. Why?


    Doesn't everyone use a fake id? Only an idiot or spam-masochist would use a
    real e-mail address on Usenet.

    -Bob
     
  11. David Kerber

    David Kerber Guest

    In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
    > > > Do you see much grammar at CSULA?

    > >
    > > I see a clear trolling with faked ID at [email protected].
    > > YOu are faked your ID. Why?

    >
    > Doesn't everyone use a fake id? Only an idiot or spam-masochist would use a
    > real e-mail address on Usenet.


    Most people just obfuscate their real e-mail, so that a human can figure
    it out, but a robot can't.


    --
    Remove the ns_ from if replying by e-mail (but keep posts in the
    newsgroups if possible).
     
  12. AustinMN

    AustinMN Guest

    Red Cloud wrote:
    > "AustinMN" <[email protected]> wrote in message

    news:<[email protected]>...
    > > Red Cloud <[email protected]>
    > >
    > > > I go to any American college and count how many bike I see parked in
    > > > bike-rack? One or two. Here in my city in a local college, to count
    > > > the number of bikes inside of campus, the number is less than 20 or
    > > > less. I will never see here in American campus the tremendous number
    > > > of bikes parked in English campus like Cambridge or Oxford (I wonder
    > > > how could find your bike)

    > >
    > > Note how he suggest he in US. In other thread he call himself American.
    > > Note how Yahoo address is .UK.
    > >
    > > How troll continues because we feed him!
    > >
    > > Austin

    >
    >
    > YOu are right that I'm in aMerica not UK but you are wrong about

    trolling.
    > I'm here to make a point not trolling. I don't even watch TV OK!
    > YOu watch American TV, you are feeding to all the trolling TV program.
    > That's why I never watch propaganda American TV. I rather watch BBC.


    Look, mommy! I caught a TROLL! Can I keep him? Please, I promise not to feed
    him! I promise, mommy, I won't ever let him out of his cage! I wonder if
    he can bite. I wonder if he cusses. I wonder how old he is. This one is
    little, and seems to be quite young. Joey at school says you should never
    feed trolls and always keep them in their cages. Please, mommy, please!

    Do a Google on this guy. I thought I'd heard of him before. He trolls in a
    handful of other newsgroups.

    Austin
     
  13. AustinMN

    AustinMN Guest

    Bob wrote

    >
    > Doesn't everyone use a fake id? Only an idiot or spam-masochist would use

    a
    > real e-mail address on Usenet.
    >
    > -Bob


    Do a google. Red Cloud is a certified troll.

    Austin
     
  14. Matt O'Toole

    Matt O'Toole Guest

    Bob wrote:

    > Doesn't everyone use a fake id? Only an idiot or spam-masochist would
    > use a real e-mail address on Usenet.


    Idiots hide from the world, because they don't know how to deal with it.

    Spam filtering software is very effective:

    popfile.sourceforge.net

    There are plenty of other good solutions too, though maybe not from big brand
    name companies like Microsoft.

    I've had the same email address for over 10 years, and it still serves me well.
    I simply filter and ignore the spam. The stuff that matters gets through just
    fine.

    Matt O.
     
  15. Red Cloud

    Red Cloud Guest

    Curtis L. Russell <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > On 21 Apr 2004 00:14:40 -0700, [email protected] (Red Cloud)
    > wrote:
    >
    > >Do you think I'm trolling? Go check out USA traffic code on bike
    > >section.

    >
    > Which doesn't exist. There are no 'USA' codes for bikes related to
    > traffic, beyond guidance for Interstates, unless you want to call
    > traffic regs for military bases or federal parks as 'USA code'.
    >
    > Curtis L. Russell
    > Odenton, MD (USA)
    > Just someone on two wheels...


    Go check out California Vehical code section 27400 which specifically
    a bike section code. you will get a traffic violation for not having a
    horn. YOu are not a free to ride a bike. You will be arrest for not
    having a headlight If I
    were police. This is the code of the law.
     
  16. On 21 Apr 2004 10:45:39 -0700, [email protected] (Red Cloud)
    wrote:

    > Go check out California Vehical code section 27400


    Last crumb to the troll - that is a California code, not a USA code.
    Even California people don't think they are the entire U.S. of A. -
    they just think they're the best part...

    Curtis L. Russell
    Odenton, MD (USA)
    Just someone on two wheels...
     
  17. Red Cloud

    Red Cloud Guest

    "di" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<%GTgc.10955$c%[email protected]>...
    > "Red Cloud" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    > > To talk about the topic of Bicycle to Americans, it's like asking a
    > > question
    > > to aliens. Aliens from out of space would not ride a bike like
    > > americans would.
    > > Bicycle is like a sort of unnecessarily and unfriendly item to most
    > > American.
    > > And is not part of American lives. Americans don't much care about
    > > bike
    > > when they are addicted to clean their automobile.
    > >
    > > For American, bike is just a recreational sport not as a
    > > transportation machine. That all that is. Most Probably only 2% or 3%
    > > American riding a bike everyday. Most of them are poor underclass who
    > > can't afford car.
    > >
    > > I go to any American college and count how many bike I see parked in
    > > bike-rack? One or two. Here in my city in a local college, to count
    > > the number of bikes inside of campus, the number is less than 20 or
    > > less. I will never see here in American campus the tremendous number
    > > of bikes parked in English campus like Cambridge or Oxford (I wonder
    > > how could find your bike)

    >
    > Before becoming very critical of American society, you might try to improve
    > your English, it would make your position more credible.


    What do you mean by improving English? CAn you gimme an example?
    or you just play out with your racist prejudice anger and hate. You
    can be so much prejudice by someone by not speaking like you. Or you
    can be so piss off at someone getting your parking space or lane. I
    won't fight for parking space or lane not like your racist people
    because my universe provides me a plenty of parking space that I love
    to say "Have nice day!"

    So have nice day!
     
  18. Hunrobe

    Hunrobe Guest

    >[email protected]

    wrote in part:

    >Believe or not, you will get a traffic citation in USA according to
    >the bicycle code such as: 1) not wearing a helmet 2) not having bike
    >plate
    > 3) not having a horn 4) not having a headlight 5) wearing a headset
    >(ear phones)
    >
    >Believe or not, I have to go to USA traffic court to fight for my
    >right when
    >I was wearing a cheap 99cent little headset radio while I was riding
    >on a sidewalk.
    >
    > Beliveve or not, you can ride a bike without helmet, without bike
    >plate, without having horn, without having headlight and wear a big
    >hugh
    >headset on most over 150 nation around the world.



    Believe or not, English am Red Cloud's first language. He are bilingual though
    so can be incomprehensible in two language.

    Regards,
    Bob Hunt
     
  19. Red Cloud

    Red Cloud Guest

    [email protected] (Hunrobe) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > >[email protected]

    >
    > wrote in part:
    >
    > >Believe or not, you will get a traffic citation in USA according to
    > >the bicycle code such as: 1) not wearing a helmet 2) not having bike
    > >plate
    > > 3) not having a horn 4) not having a headlight 5) wearing a headset
    > >(ear phones)
    > >
    > >Believe or not, I have to go to USA traffic court to fight for my
    > >right when
    > >I was wearing a cheap 99cent little headset radio while I was riding
    > >on a sidewalk.
    > >
    > > Beliveve or not, you can ride a bike without helmet, without bike
    > >plate, without having horn, without having headlight and wear a big
    > >hugh
    > >headset on most over 150 nation around the world.

    >
    >
    > Believe or not, English am Red Cloud's first language. He are bilingual though

    ^^^
    "Mispelled"
    Here is the ESL lesson for you. YOu don't use "am" when you refer to
    third person. Use "is" OK, Johnny!

    YOu are not even bilingual right, You just can't write right, or
    you just play dumb and stupid.


    > so can be incomprehensible in two language.

    ^^^^^^^^^
    Mispelled" again
    Two "Languages," not two "language." You must use a plural form when you
    refers to more than one set, Ok Johnny.

    Johnny just can't write!



    > Regards,
    > Bob Hunt
     
  20. Red Cloud

    Red Cloud Guest

    Curtis L. Russell <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > On 21 Apr 2004 10:45:39 -0700, [email protected] (Red Cloud)
    > wrote:
    >
    > > Go check out California Vehical code section 27400

    >
    > Last crumb to the troll - that is a California code, not a USA code.
    > Even California people don't think they are the entire U.S. of A. -
    > they just think they're the best part...
    >


    So MD has no bike traffic code???


    > Curtis L. Russell
    > Odenton, MD (USA)
    > Just someone on two wheels...
     
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