Boiled Alive !!!

Mark Thorson said:

A gruesome death:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/06/01/national/main2874724.shtml

I'd be a little suspicious about that 13-year-old.

"The dishwasher was empty when the child got inside, police said.
Investigators said the dishwasher was a Maytag model that
automatically started when the door closed."

Usually there's another step involved when starting a dishwasher,
otherwise my dishwasher would be running all day and night.

-sw

"Steve Wertz" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Mark Thorson said:

A gruesome death:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/06/01/national/main2874724.shtml

I'd be a little suspicious about that 13-year-old.

"The dishwasher was empty when the child got inside, police said.
Investigators said the dishwasher was a Maytag model that
automatically started when the door closed."

Usually there's another step involved when starting a dishwasher,
otherwise my dishwasher would be running all day and night.

I wondered about that. I figured maybe they meant it had been
in the middle of a cycle? Why else would a dishwasher start because
it's closed. It's closed all the time unless I'm loading it or unloading
it. My last dishwasher, you forgot to put something in, you opened
it, added it, and just shut the door, it would start back up.

Something doesn't sound right, as Mark said.

nancy

Steve Wertz said:

Mark Thorson said:

A gruesome death:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/06/01/national/main2874724.shtml

I'd be a little suspicious about that 13-year-old.

"The dishwasher was empty when the child got inside, police said.
Investigators said the dishwasher was a Maytag model that
automatically started when the door closed."

Usually there's another step involved when starting a dishwasher,
otherwise my dishwasher would be running all day and night.

Not only that, but it requires just a bit of firm force to push the door
closed so that it latches shut against the door gasket. Unless there was
some sort of handle on the inside of the door, how the heck could an 18
month old toddler close the door with enough force to latch it shut?

--
Dave
www.davebbq.com

Steve Wertz said:

Mark Thorson said:

A gruesome death:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/06/01/national/main2874724.shtml

I'd be a little suspicious about that 13-year-old.

"The dishwasher was empty when the child got inside, police said.
Investigators said the dishwasher was a Maytag model that
automatically started when the door closed."

Usually there's another step involved when starting a dishwasher,
otherwise my dishwasher would be running all day and night.

The report I heard on TV said the dishwasher had been
stopped during a cycle, and that the cycle restarted
when the door was closed.

Mark Thorson said:

Steve Wertz said:

Mark Thorson said:

A gruesome death:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/06/01/national/main2874724.shtml

I'd be a little suspicious about that 13-year-old.

"The dishwasher was empty when the child got inside, police said.
Investigators said the dishwasher was a Maytag model that
automatically started when the door closed."

Usually there's another step involved when starting a dishwasher,
otherwise my dishwasher would be running all day and night.

The report I heard on TV said the dishwasher had been
stopped during a cycle, and that the cycle restarted
when the door was closed.

It was stopped during a cycle, which indicates that there were dishes
inside. This just doesn't add up. Given the dishes, the rack spacing, and
the discomfort of the tines, I'm having difficulty believing an 18 month old
would crawl in. Much less have a way of grabbing the door and having the
strength to pull the door hard enough to latch it against the door seals.

--
Dave
www.davebbq.com

Dave Bugg said:

Mark Thorson wrote:

Quoted message said:

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Steve Wertz wrote:

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On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 17:33:50 -0700, Mark Thorson wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> A gruesome death:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/06/01/national/main2874724.shtml

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> I'd be a little suspicious about that 13-year-old.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"The dishwasher was empty when the child got inside, police said.
Investigators said the dishwasher was a Maytag model that
automatically started when the door closed."

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Usually there's another step involved when starting a dishwasher,
otherwise my dishwasher would be running all day and night.

Quoted message said:

The report I heard on TV said the dishwasher had been
stopped during a cycle, and that the cycle restarted
when the door was closed.

It was stopped during a cycle, which indicates that there were dishes
inside. This just doesn't add up. Given the dishes, the rack spacing, and
the discomfort of the tines, I'm having difficulty believing an 18 month old
would crawl in. Much less have a way of grabbing the door and having the
strength to pull the door hard enough to latch it against the door seals.

Sounds to me like this might be the new "trend" in getting rid of yer
unwanted rugrats, kind of like "forgetting" about kids that you
"accidentally" leave in a locked car on a broiling hot day (these are
referred to as "'lil sizzlers" )...

--

Best
Greg

Dave Bugg said:

It was stopped during a cycle, which indicates that there
were dishes inside. This just doesn't add up.

What else could it be? Everybody knows that
13-year-old boys are the most trustworthy
and thoughtful people. :-(

Mark Thorson said:

What else could it be? Everybody knows that
13-year-old boys are the most trustworthy
and thoughtful people. :-(

What 13-year old wouldn't want to off their 18 month old brother
or sister?

He must be one hell of a liar. Better than I was as a kid, and I
was pretty damn good.

-sw

Dave Bugg said:

Mark Thorson said:

Steve Wertz said:

On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 17:33:50 -0700, Mark Thorson wrote:

> A gruesome death:
>
> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/06/01/national/main2874724.shtml
>
> I'd be a little suspicious about that 13-year-old.

"The dishwasher was empty when the child got inside, police said.
Investigators said the dishwasher was a Maytag model that
automatically started when the door closed."

Usually there's another step involved when starting a dishwasher,
otherwise my dishwasher would be running all day and night.

The report I heard on TV said the dishwasher had been
stopped during a cycle, and that the cycle restarted
when the door was closed.

It was stopped during a cycle, which indicates that there were dishes
inside. This just doesn't add up.

And the fact that the 18 kid said he "thought i strange that the
dishwasher was running". If it was in the middle of the cycle,
then why would he think that unusual?

And why would an 18 month old kids' blanket be doing in the
kitchen? At that age, they don't crawl around with them.

-sw

Mark Thorson said:

A gruesome death:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/06/01/national/main2874724.shtml

I'd be a little suspicious about that 13-year-old.

Here's another version of it:

"Arkansas police believe 18-month-old Clifton Kirk crawled into
his family's dishwasher this past week -- and his brother,
fascinated with the machine, then closed the door, restarting an
already activated cycle."

http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/Health/story?id=3238204

How is that an "accident" then? That 13-year old needs some, uh,
counseling.

-sw

"Steve Wertz" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

"Arkansas police believe 18-month-old Clifton Kirk crawled into
his family's dishwasher this past week -- and his brother,
fascinated with the machine, then closed the door, restarting an
already activated cycle."

http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/Health/story?id=3238204

How is that an "accident" then? That 13-year old needs some, uh,
counseling.

Yeah. A 13-year old would know to open the door once
the machine started back up. Old enough to know better.

nancy

On Sat, 2 Jun 2007 23:47:42 -0400, "Nancy Young" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

"Steve Wertz" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

"Arkansas police believe 18-month-old Clifton Kirk crawled into
his family's dishwasher this past week -- and his brother,
fascinated with the machine, then closed the door, restarting an
already activated cycle."

http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/Health/story?id=3238204

How is that an "accident" then? That 13-year old needs some, uh,
counseling.

Yeah. A 13-year old would know to open the door once
the machine started back up. Old enough to know better.

nancy

I didn't see the older child's age listed in the article. Where did
you see it?

In article <[email hidden]>,

Mark Thorson said:

A gruesome death:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/06/01/national/main2874724.shtml

I'd be a little suspicious about that 13-year-old.

I see a lawsuit pending...
--
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Remove _ to validate e-mails.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]" -- Jack Nicholson

On Sat, 2 Jun 2007 20:54:36 -0400, "Nancy Young" <[email hidden]>
rummaged among random neurons and opined:

Quoted message said:

I wondered about that. I figured maybe they meant it had been
in the middle of a cycle? Why else would a dishwasher start because
it's closed. It's closed all the time unless I'm loading it or unloading
it. My last dishwasher, you forgot to put something in, you opened
it, added it, and just shut the door, it would start back up.

Something doesn't sound right, as Mark said.

Nancy, think about it. (a) Look at the inside of your dishwasher door.
You see something that could act as a handle other than the lid on the
soap dispenser? That's the only way a kid could shut the door on
himself and he'd really have to yank it; (b) the drawers of a
dishwasher are just full of spikes and an 18 month old wouldn't fit in
either drawer nor would he find it comfortable or enticing. An 18
month old is a fairly sizeable package - larger than I could fit into
my dishwasher in either drawer, although I shudder to imagine it.

I looked at snopes.com and it's the real deal, but I'd be taking a
real close look at the teenage brother who was at home at the time.

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd...just sayin'

--
"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

-- Duncan Hines

To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox"

Steve Wertz said:

And the fact that the 18 kid said he "thought i strange that the
dishwasher was running". If it was in the middle of the cycle,
then why would he think that unusual?

And why would an 18 month old kids' blanket be doing in the
kitchen? At that age, they don't crawl around with them.

They run around with them all the time. I have had (and still have)
bankets all over my house.

If the door had a certain type of hinge and pressure was put on it in
just the right way, I could see it flipping closed. The real wierd
thing is how a baby that is a year and a half old is going to climb in
around all the prongs and baskets in the first place. DS has tried to
climb in ours a number of times, but honestly, I don't think he would
have gotten too far.

-L.

Mark Thorson said:

A gruesome death:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/06/01/national/main2874724.shtml

I'd be a little suspicious about that 13-year-old.

Where the HELL were the parents?! You don't leave a 13 year old to babysit
a one and a half year old child!

Jill

"jmcquown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]

Quoted message said:

Mark Thorson said:

A gruesome death:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/06/01/national/main2874724.shtml

I'd be a little suspicious about that 13-year-old.

Where the HELL were the parents?! You don't leave a 13 year old to
babysit a one and a half year old child!

Jill

Why-in-the-hell-not?
Get real. Welcome to the real world.
*MOST* 13 year-olds *should* be old and responsible enough for a couple of
hours.
Just because *YOU* still cannot be trusted with anything more than a cat, do
you really thing the whole world is as incompetant as you are. Don't answer
that. You'd only be perpetuating the illusion.

BOB

"Terry Pulliam Burd" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

On Sat, 2 Jun 2007 20:54:36 -0400, "Nancy Young" <[email hidden]>
rummaged among random neurons and opined:

Quoted message said:

I wondered about that. I figured maybe they meant it had been
in the middle of a cycle? Why else would a dishwasher start because
it's closed. It's closed all the time unless I'm loading it or unloading
it. My last dishwasher, you forgot to put something in, you opened
it, added it, and just shut the door, it would start back up.

Something doesn't sound right, as Mark said.

Nancy, think about it. (a) Look at the inside of your dishwasher door.
You see something that could act as a handle other than the lid on the
soap dispenser?

I'm the wrong person to ask, I have cutlery in the door baskets.
Frankly, I don't know what a child could hold onto, never mind
climb in, reach out to an open door and pull it shut. Not likely.

I confess that I was commenting on my reaction to what I read
in the news, I didn't read the article posted. I kept reading The Maytag
starts automatically when you close it. Okay (I thought), why aren't
they saying that the kid interrupted a cycle?

Quoted message said:

That's the only way a kid could shut the door on
himself and he'd really have to yank it; (b) the drawers of a
dishwasher are just full of spikes and an 18 month old wouldn't fit in
either drawer nor would he find it comfortable or enticing.

Yes, I wondered about that as well, but then ... kids. They do
weird stuff.

Quoted message said:

I looked at snopes.com and it's the real deal, but I'd be taking a
real close look at the teenage brother who was at home at the time.

I know machines are quieter and much more insulated than they
used to be, but I'm also thinking ... the older kid had to hear
signs of distress.

I guess things are going on that I'm not reading about, because no
way can the matter just be dropped.

nancy

Abe said:

I didn't see the older child's age listed in the article.
Where did you see it?

fourth paragraph:

Clifton Blake Kurk was found dead in his home near the
White County town of Romance at about 1 p.m. Wednesday,
the sheriff's office said. The boy's 13-year-old brother
found him inside the appliance, which was running, authorities
said.

fifth paragraph:

Clark says Kurk's mother was at work and his father asleep
when his 13-year-old brother made the gruesome discovery