Brake blocks

Doki said:

My brake blocks are rubbish in the wet. The brakes are cannondale dual
pivots, and I'm more used to V-brakes, so I'm a bit unsure of what sort of
pads I need. Are kool stop still the best pads around (and if so, where do I
buy them)?

Kool Stop Salmon pads are the ones. They're certainly the best I've
found for stopping in the wet, and are very good in all conditions.
Wiggle stock them. Have a search in Wiggle and see if there's a Salmon
block that's compatible with your system.

--
Dave...

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Quoted message said:

My brake blocks are rubbish in the wet. The brakes are cannondale dual
pivots, and I'm more used to V-brakes, so I'm a bit unsure of what sort of
pads I need. Are kool stop still the best pads around (and if so, where do
I buy them)?

I posted a similar message a while back and got put onto Aztec pads, and
they've been excellent.

Doki said:

My brake blocks are rubbish in the wet. The brakes are cannondale dual
pivots, and I'm more used to V-brakes, so I'm a bit unsure of what
sort of pads I need. Are kool stop still the best pads around

Yes, the Salmon or Dual compound versions.

Quoted message said:

(and if so, where do I buy them)?

http://www.spacycles.co.uk/products.php?plid=m2b0s104p0
- Dura Holders, 1 set per brake

Hope the price isn't too much of a shock.

~PB

Doki said the following on 03/12/2007 15:27:

Quoted message said:

My brake blocks are rubbish in the wet. The brakes are cannondale dual
pivots, and I'm more used to V-brakes, so I'm a bit unsure of what sort
of pads I need. Are kool stop still the best pads around (and if so,
where do I buy them)?

KoolStop Salmons are the ones to go for. Any decent LBS should stock
them (make sure you get the right "size" for your wheel - they're curved
to match the rim). Failing your LBS, try wiggle.

On tip though:- when I first fitted them they seemed to be [censored], and the
rim got gunked with grey sludge. This was actually the remnants of some
incredibly fast-wearing Shimano blocks, so it might be worth thoroughly
cleaning the rim when you change blocks. I expect someone will come
along and say "but you should always do that" - well, I've never had to
until then :-)

--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

dkahn400 said:

Doki said:

My brake blocks are rubbish in the wet. The brakes are cannondale dual
pivots, and I'm more used to V-brakes, so I'm a bit unsure of what sort of
pads I need. Are kool stop still the best pads around (and if so, where do I
buy them)?

Kool Stop Salmon pads are the ones. They're certainly the best I've
found for stopping in the wet, and are very good in all conditions.
Wiggle stock them. Have a search in Wiggle and see if there's a Salmon
block that's compatible with your system.

What would people suggest for side-pull single-pivot cantilevers? (other
than not riding towards cars as you stop) :P

--
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GPG: B416F0DE :: Jabber: [email hidden]
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Paul Boyd said:

Doki said the following on 03/12/2007 15:27:

Quoted message said:

My brake blocks are rubbish in the wet. The brakes are cannondale
dual pivots, and I'm more used to V-brakes, so I'm a bit unsure of
what sort of pads I need. Are kool stop still the best pads around
(and if so, where do I buy them)?

KoolStop Salmons are the ones to go for. Any decent LBS should stock
them (make sure you get the right "size" for your wheel - they're
curved to match the rim). Failing your LBS, try wiggle.

They're not all curved. The Dura and Tectonic blocks or holders will be
suitable for Doki's bike.

Quoted message said:

On tip though:- when I first fitted them they seemed to be [censored], and
the rim got gunked with grey sludge. This was actually the remnants
of some incredibly fast-wearing Shimano blocks, so it might be worth
thoroughly cleaning the rim when you change blocks. I expect someone
will come along and say "but you should always do that" - well, I've
never had to until then :-)

Frighteningly, most of the grey sludge on a rim is aluminium from the rim.

~PB

Patter said:

What would people suggest for side-pull single-pivot cantilevers?

If you mean side-pull single-pivot *calipers*: same as the ones for
dual-pivots mentioned in my previous reply.

Cantilevers: Eagle 2 or Thinline. There are both threaded and threadless
versions of these.

~PB

spokes said:

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Quoted message said:

My brake blocks are rubbish in the wet. The brakes are cannondale dual
pivots, and I'm more used to V-brakes, so I'm a bit unsure of what sort of
pads I need. Are kool stop still the best pads around (and if so, where do
I buy them)?

I posted a similar message a while back and got put onto Aztec pads, and
they've been excellent.

I've been using Aztecs and found them OK but others have reckoned they
wear your rims out quickly so now I'm a bit concerned. Opinions? Do
the Kool Stop pads fit Aztec v-brake holders?

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Quoted message said:

Doki said:

My brake blocks are rubbish in the wet. The brakes are cannondale dual
pivots, and I'm more used to V-brakes, so I'm a bit unsure of what
sort of pads I need. Are kool stop still the best pads around

Yes, the Salmon or Dual compound versions.

Quoted message said:

(and if so, where do I buy them)?

http://www.spacycles.co.uk/products.php?plid=m2b0s104p0
- Dura Holders, 1 set per brake

Did I get the brakes off you in the first place? If so, ta muchly.

Quoted message said:

Hope the price isn't too much of a shock.

They're a lot cheaper on Ebay now I know which ones to get. Are the
cartridges specific to kool stop or will they work in a shimano holder?

Doki said:

Quoted message said:

Hope the price isn't too much of a shock.

They're a lot cheaper on Ebay now I know which ones to get. Are the
cartridges specific to kool stop or will they work in a shimano
holder?

Kool Stop Dura refills do work in Shimano and all similar holders.

~PB

Pete Biggs said:

Frighteningly, most of the grey sludge on a rim is aluminium from the rim.

That reminds me. I must check my rim wall thickness soon before I have
another explosion.

--
Dave...

Quoted message said:

That reminds me. I must check my rim wall thickness soon before I have
another explosion.

When pretty much all the black's worn off your black mavic rims, does that
mean it's time to start thinking about new rims?

spokes said:

When pretty much all the black's worn off your black mavic rims, does
that mean it's time to start thinking about new rims?

Older Mavic anodised rims were supplied with anodising covering the braking
surfaces. This is supposed to wear away quickly to allow the brake pads to
work properly against the bare aluminium, and for the rim to conduct heat
well.

The anodising on newer Mavic rims is machined off the braking surfaces
before you get them.

Ceramic rims are different and the braking surfaces aren't supposed to wear
out completely. Use special brake pads with these.

~PB

Quoted message said:

Older Mavic anodised rims were supplied with anodising covering the
braking
surfaces. This is supposed to wear away quickly to allow the brake pads
to work properly against the bare aluminium, and for the rim to conduct
heat well.

The anodising on newer Mavic rims is machined off the braking surfaces
before you get them.

Thanks for your response. These are 'Open 4 CD's....does that count as
'old'?

spokes said:

Quoted message said:

Older Mavic anodised rims were supplied with anodising covering the
braking
surfaces. This is supposed to wear away quickly to allow the brake
pads to work properly against the bare aluminium, and for the rim to
conduct heat well.

The anodising on newer Mavic rims is machined off the braking
surfaces before you get them.

Thanks for your response. These are 'Open 4 CD's....does that count as
'old'?

Yes, they fit my "older anodised" description above.

Yours are hardly worn at all.

~PB

Quoted message said:

Yes, they fit my "older anodised" description above.

Yours are hardly worn at all.

Brilliant! Thanks. Best news I've had all day!

spokes said:

Quoted message said:

Yes, they fit my "older anodised" description above.

Yours are hardly worn at all.

Brilliant! Thanks. Best news I've had all day!

To make sure, check the rim isn't labelled "Ceramic" as well as "Open 4 CD".
My comment only applies if it's not the Ceramic version.

~PB

Quoted message said:

To make sure, check the rim isn't labelled "Ceramic" as well as "Open 4
CD". My comment only applies if it's not the Ceramic version.

Nope - says 'Hard anodized treatment'. No mention of pottery...

Am Mon, 3 Dec 2007 09:38:14 -0800 (PST) schrieb POHB:

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spokes said:

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Quoted message said:

My brake blocks are rubbish in the wet. The brakes are cannondale dual
pivots, and I'm more used to V-brakes, so I'm a bit unsure of what sort of
pads I need. Are kool stop still the best pads around (and if so, where do
I buy them)?

I posted a similar message a while back and got put onto Aztec pads, and
they've been excellent.

I've been using Aztecs and found them OK but others have reckoned they
wear your rims out quickly so now I'm a bit concerned. Opinions?

I had been using the Aztecs for a while - quite good value for money. My
rim does still exist, they eat the rims much slower than the standard
Shimpanso pads. But no comparison to the Koolstops - breaking with them is
much softer and much less dirt builds up at the pad. I've returned to
Koolstop again some weeks ago.

Quoted message said:

Do the Kool Stop pads fit Aztec v-brake holders?

Yes they do, I use this combination - they all seem to be compatible to the
Shimano system (XT?).

Andreas