Breathing suggestions...

JJ said:

Hi again,

I need some advice on breathing while I run. I know that sounds odd -
breathing is pretty natural. But I find that I'm not exhaling very much
when I run. I have to make myself breath o-u-t and then back in. It seems
to help me if I breath in through my nose and out through my mouth but after
a little bit I revert back to breathing very shallow again, and have to
"remind" myself to breath....

Is that common among new runners? It's almost hard to breath deeply but I
do better when I make myself breath "correctly"...My heart rate is actually
just a tad slower, which makes sense since I'm getting the oxygen I need!
But it's a struggle to do it right.

Anyone else have this to deal with? Just curious...Thanks again, JJ

you might try breathing into your belly. just so you don't
feel silly, wear a loose t-shirt. instead of expanding your
chest like we mostly do, push out with your belly
on every breath. i tried this several times on
a treadmill with my HRM. my HR dropped
about 5 beats while i was breathing this way.
it didn't become a habit yet, but i'm working on it.
....thehick

"frank-in-toronto" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Hi there,

Quoted message said:

you might try breathing into your belly. just so you don't
feel silly, wear a loose t-shirt. instead of expanding your
chest like we mostly do, push out with your belly
on every breath. i tried this several times on
a treadmill with my HRM. my HR dropped
about 5 beats while i was breathing this way.
it didn't become a habit yet, but i'm working on it.
...thehick

Thanks...I forgot about this. I have heard of "belly-breathing"...using
your diaphram (?) vs. your chest. I'll give that a try. I don't care what
I look like! ;-) I'm at home on my own treadmill so...

Thanks for the advice! I'll give it a try. JJ

"JJ" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Hi again,

I need some advice on breathing while I run. I know that sounds odd -
breathing is pretty natural. But I find that I'm not exhaling very much
when I run. I have to make myself breath o-u-t and then back in. It
seems to help me if I breath in through my nose and out through my mouth
but after a little bit I revert back to breathing very shallow again, and
have to "remind" myself to breath....

Is that common among new runners? It's almost hard to breath deeply but I
do better when I make myself breath "correctly"...My heart rate is
actually just a tad slower, which makes sense since I'm getting the oxygen
I need! But it's a struggle to do it right.

Anyone else have this to deal with? Just curious...Thanks again, JJ

How does it feel if you do two breaths out for every breath in?
(out-out-in, out-out-in)?

(not saying you should generally run this way, just as a little
experiment)

JJ said:

"frank-in-toronto" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Hi there,

Quoted message said:

you might try breathing into your belly. just so you don't
feel silly, wear a loose t-shirt. instead of expanding your
chest like we mostly do, push out with your belly
on every breath. i tried this several times on
a treadmill with my HRM. my HR dropped
about 5 beats while i was breathing this way.
it didn't become a habit yet, but i'm working on it.
...thehick

Thanks...I forgot about this. I have heard of "belly-breathing"...using
your diaphram (?) vs. your chest. I'll give that a try. I don't care what
I look like! ;-) I'm at home on my own treadmill so...

Quoted message said:

From rec.running FAQ, part 4

http://tinyurl.com/a23vs

"The runner who wishes to learn how to belly-breath should lie on the
floor and place one or more large books on his stomach. He should
concentrate on making the books rise when he breathes in and fall when
he exhales. As it takes about two months to learn to do the movement
whilst running fast, it is important to start practicing well before an
important race."

--
Phil M.

JJ said:

Hi again,

I need some advice on breathing while I run. I know that sounds odd -
breathing is pretty natural. But I find that I'm not exhaling very much
when I run. I have to make myself breath o-u-t and then back in. It seems
to help me if I breath in through my nose and out through my mouth but after
a little bit I revert back to breathing very shallow again, and have to
"remind" myself to breath....

You won't get enough air breathing in through your nose unless you're running
very slowly. Try and maintain a 3 steps in 3 steps out breathing rhythm.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

JJ said:

I need some advice on breathing while I run. I know that sounds odd -
breathing is pretty natural. But I find that I'm not exhaling very much
when I run. I have to make myself breath o-u-t and then back in. It seems
to help me if I breath in through my nose and out through my mouth but after
a little bit I revert back to breathing very shallow again, and have to
"remind" myself to breath....

Is that common among new runners? It's almost hard to breath deeply but I
do better when I make myself breath "correctly"...My heart rate is actually
just a tad slower, which makes sense since I'm getting the oxygen I need!
But it's a struggle to do it right.

It's just like sex JJ, in and out, in and out.
Seriously though, remember I told you about many here "overthinking"
their running? This IS such a case. Just run, and let the breathing do
the natural thing. There's no need to alter it, or even think about it
at all.
Oh, and ALWAYS start out on the left foot to prevent injuries LOL

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

JJ said:

I'll give that a try. I don't care what
I look like! ;-) I'm at home on my own treadmill so..

Then an avi would be easy to make for us to "evaluate" your form? In
order to be precise, the less clothing the better...

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

Phil M. said:

"The runner who wishes to learn how to belly-breath should lie on the
floor and place one or more large books on his stomach. He should
concentrate on making the books rise when he breathes in and fall when
he exhales. As it takes about two months to learn to do the movement
whilst running fast, it is important to start practicing well before an
important race."

This is bassackwards. If you have a protuding belly at all, this'll
excerbate it. Just do stomach crunches.

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

Is it mean spirited to suggest that you stop altogether?

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JJ said:

"frank-in-toronto" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Hi there,

Quoted message said:

you might try breathing into your belly. just so you don't
feel silly, wear a loose t-shirt. instead of expanding your
chest like we mostly do, push out with your belly
on every breath. i tried this several times on
a treadmill with my HRM. my HR dropped
about 5 beats while i was breathing this way.
it didn't become a habit yet, but i'm working on it.
...thehick

Thanks...I forgot about this. I have heard of "belly-breathing"...using
your diaphram (?) vs. your chest. I'll give that a try. I don't care
what
I look like! ;-) I'm at home on my own treadmill so...

Quoted message said:

From rec.running FAQ, part 4

http://tinyurl.com/a23vs

"The runner who wishes to learn how to belly-breath should lie on the
floor and place one or more large books on his stomach. He should
concentrate on making the books rise when he breathes in and fall when
he exhales. As it takes about two months to learn to do the movement
whilst running fast, it is important to start practicing well before an
important race."
Phil M.

Hi Phil...Thanks! I've seen those FAQ's and will go back to read them. But
thanks for pulling out this part for me. Much appreciated, JJ

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Phil M. said:

"The runner who wishes to learn how to belly-breath should lie on the
floor and place one or more large books on his stomach. He should
concentrate on making the books rise when he breathes in and fall when
he exhales. As it takes about two months to learn to do the movement
whilst running fast, it is important to start practicing well before an
important race."

This is bassackwards. If you have a protuding belly at all, this'll
excerbate it. Just do stomach crunches.

I do - lots of them...but they don't help with my "holding" my breath whilst
I run! ;-)

JJ

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JJ said:

I'll give that a try. I don't care what
I look like! ;-) I'm at home on my own treadmill so..

Then an avi would be easy to make for us to "evaluate" your form? In
order to be precise, the less clothing the better...

Don't hold yer breath! :-\ JJ

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"JJ" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Hi again,

I need some advice on breathing while I run. I know that sounds odd -
breathing is pretty natural. But I find that I'm not exhaling very much
when I run. I have to make myself breath o-u-t and then back in. It
seems to help me if I breath in through my nose and out through my mouth
but after a little bit I revert back to breathing very shallow again, and
have to "remind" myself to breath....

Is that common among new runners? It's almost hard to breath deeply but
I do better when I make myself breath "correctly"...My heart rate is
actually just a tad slower, which makes sense since I'm getting the
oxygen I need! But it's a struggle to do it right.

Anyone else have this to deal with? Just curious...Thanks again, JJ

How does it feel if you do two breaths out for every breath in?
(out-out-in, out-out-in)?

(not saying you should generally run this way, just as a little
experiment)

I've actually done the breath-in-for-so-many-strides and the same for
breathing out...usually 2 - 4 strides. And I have tried to breath out
longer than breathing in. It makes me feel like I'm out of breath
initially...it's hard to explain...But I'm not out of breath because I can
keep running and my heart rate won't go up quite so far (tiny difference but
consistent) if I can make myself take deeper breaths. I'll try it again and
see how it feels. JJ

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JJ said:

Hi again,

I need some advice on breathing while I run. I know that sounds odd -
breathing is pretty natural. But I find that I'm not exhaling very much
when I run. I have to make myself breath o-u-t and then back in. It
seems
to help me if I breath in through my nose and out through my mouth but
after
a little bit I revert back to breathing very shallow again, and have to
"remind" myself to breath....

You won't get enough air breathing in through your nose unless you're
running
very slowly. Try and maintain a 3 steps in 3 steps out breathing rhythm.

I do try that and then go back to "holding" my breath in...but then I
remember and do it again...just keep reminding myself. It does get easier
to do. I guess this is just a habit I'll have to break. Thanks! JJ

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It's just like sex JJ, in and out, in and out.

Thanks - I'll have to remember that.

Quoted message said:

Seriously though, remember I told you about many here "overthinking"
their running? This IS such a case. Just run, and let the breathing do
the natural thing. There's no need to alter it, or even think about it
at all.

I know...it was more curiosity than anything. I do run better and feel
better if I can make myself not "hold" my breath like I do. So...it was
worth asking about.

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Oh, and ALWAYS start out on the left foot to prevent injuries LOL

Good tip! Maybe that's what caused my shin pain? ;-) JJ

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Is it mean spirited to suggest that you stop altogether?

Yes, and not very imaginative either. <plonk> JJ

JJ said:

Don't hold yer breath! :-\ JJ

Pun intended?

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

JJ said:

"Miss Anne Thrope" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Is it mean spirited to suggest that you stop altogether?

Yes, and not very imaginative either. <plonk> JJ

MEOOOOOOOOW! (cat fight)

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

"The Bill Rodgers" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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JJ said:

Don't hold yer breath! :-\ JJ

Pun intended?

Actually no! I missed that! ;-) JJ