Cioni's high hematocrit



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Warren

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Interesting information about how the high hematocrit levels are established
for certain riders.


More detail is at...

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2004/oct04/oct25news


"...I went to Lausanne, where I was monitored for three days. During this
period of time, several blood samples were taken. After all this info was
analysed, I received the certificate from UCI. Of course the certificate
contains a limit, but it is a personal limit according to my natural level,
not the 50 limit, which is used for the whole world. I think this is an
issue that should be analysed more deeply, as not every rider has the same
value, so why is there a 50 percent limit for everyone?"


So, test each rider in this way and each gets their own certificate? Then
they can't use EPO to go higher than their own natural level.

-WG
 
Warren wrote:

> Interesting information about how the high hematocrit levels are established
> for certain riders.
>
>
> More detail is at...
>
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2004/oct04/oct25news
>
>
> "...I went to Lausanne, where I was monitored for three days. During this
> period of time, several blood samples were taken. After all this info was
> analysed, I received the certificate from UCI. Of course the certificate
> contains a limit, but it is a personal limit according to my natural level,
> not the 50 limit, which is used for the whole world. I think this is an
> issue that should be analysed more deeply, as not every rider has the same
> value, so why is there a 50 percent limit for everyone?"
>
>
> So, test each rider in this way and each gets their own certificate? Then
> they can't use EPO to go higher than their own natural level.
>
> -WG
>
>
Right. What I don't understand is, why does he do the altitude training
if he knows he's so close to 50 in the first place?

http://www.bike.com/template.asp?date=8/10/2004&lsectionnumber=3
 
"gym gravity" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Warren wrote:
>
> > Interesting information about how the high hematocrit levels are
established
> > for certain riders.
> >
> >
> > More detail is at...
> >
> > http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2004/oct04/oct25news
> >
> >
> > "...I went to Lausanne, where I was monitored for three days. During
this
> > period of time, several blood samples were taken. After all this info
was
> > analysed, I received the certificate from UCI. Of course the certificate
> > contains a limit, but it is a personal limit according to my natural
level,
> > not the 50 limit, which is used for the whole world. I think this is an
> > issue that should be analysed more deeply, as not every rider has the
same
> > value, so why is there a 50 percent limit for everyone?"
> >
> >
> > So, test each rider in this way and each gets their own certificate?
Then
> > they can't use EPO to go higher than their own natural level.
> >
> > -WG
> >
> >
> Right. What I don't understand is, why does he do the altitude training
> if he knows he's so close to 50 in the first place?
>
> http://www.bike.com/template.asp?date=8/10/2004&lsectionnumber=3

I don't know exactly, but Dario and I have the same coach who told me that
even though the 6 days I spent at altitude during Masters Track Nat's wasn't
enough time to have much effect on my hematocrit level but there are other
benefits from being at altitude. He said that riders who have spent a week
or so at altitude often see some positive results about one to two weeks
after being at altitude (even though it was for a relatively short period of
time).

-WG
 
On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:22:11 GMT, "Warren" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Interesting information about how the high hematocrit levels are established
>for certain riders.
>
>
>More detail is at...
>
>http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2004/oct04/oct25news
>
>
>"...I went to Lausanne, where I was monitored for three days. During this
>period of time, several blood samples were taken. After all this info was
>analysed, I received the certificate from UCI. Of course the certificate
>contains a limit, but it is a personal limit according to my natural level,
>not the 50 limit, which is used for the whole world. I think this is an
>issue that should be analysed more deeply, as not every rider has the same
>value, so why is there a 50 percent limit for everyone?"
>
>
>So, test each rider in this way and each gets their own certificate? Then
>they can't use EPO to go higher than their own natural level.
>
>-WG

Thing is, this is getting to the point where enormous amts of time and
expense is involved getting these guys metabolic and serologic passports.

Incidently, not sure why, or if it helps me or what, b/c I've never been
trained even -near- that of a pro athlete. I'm strictly middle of the pack,
body builder type, but my Hct is typically about 49-51%. I give blood now
and then to try and reduce my iron load (men get this b/c they don't
menstruate), which is now thought to be a problem for some. I'm not
dehydrated at all, and have no earthly idea why my hct would be so high. Uh
this was true in the day. I'm not sure what it is now. Maybe I'll go donate
and have it checked, lol.

-B
 
"Badger South" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> Incidently, not sure why, or if it helps me or what, b/c I've never been
> trained even -near- that of a pro athlete. I'm strictly middle of the
pack,
> body builder type, but my Hct is typically about 49-51%. I give blood now
> and then to try and reduce my iron load (men get this b/c they don't
> menstruate), which is now thought to be a problem for some. I'm not
> dehydrated at all, and have no earthly idea why my hct would be so high.

It's not abnormal. If you trained really hard (in an endurance sport like
cycling) it's likely that your hct would be lower as as result.

-WG
 
Warren wrote:

> "gym gravity" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Warren wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Interesting information about how the high hematocrit levels are
>
> established
>
>>>for certain riders.
>>>
>>>
>>>More detail is at...
>>>
>>>http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2004/oct04/oct25news
>>>
>>>
>>>"...I went to Lausanne, where I was monitored for three days. During
>
> this
>
>>>period of time, several blood samples were taken. After all this info
>
> was
>
>>>analysed, I received the certificate from UCI. Of course the certificate
>>>contains a limit, but it is a personal limit according to my natural
>
> level,
>
>>>not the 50 limit, which is used for the whole world. I think this is an
>>>issue that should be analysed more deeply, as not every rider has the
>
> same
>
>>>value, so why is there a 50 percent limit for everyone?"
>>>
>>>
>>>So, test each rider in this way and each gets their own certificate?
>
> Then
>
>>>they can't use EPO to go higher than their own natural level.
>>>
>>>-WG
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Right. What I don't understand is, why does he do the altitude training
>>if he knows he's so close to 50 in the first place?
>>
>>http://www.bike.com/template.asp?date=8/10/2004&lsectionnumber=3
>
>
> I don't know exactly, but Dario and I have the same coach who told me that
> even though the 6 days I spent at altitude during Masters Track Nat's wasn't
> enough time to have much effect on my hematocrit level but there are other
> benefits from being at altitude. He said that riders who have spent a week
> or so at altitude often see some positive results about one to two weeks
> after being at altitude (even though it was for a relatively short period of
> time).
>
> -WG
>

Yeah, I'm all for the idea that maybe there is something other than
'crit that is affected by altitude. I always feel bulletproof for 2
weeks or so, 2-3 weeks after a week at altitude, but I don't have the
means nor the reason to find out if my 'crit is higher or not.

But if you're a pro, and you are close, why risk it? Why did Cioni get
his permit, while Hermida is facing sanctions (is he? whatever happened
to that story?)?
 
On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:32:46 GMT, "Warren" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Badger South" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>> Incidently, not sure why, or if it helps me or what, b/c I've never been
>> trained even -near- that of a pro athlete. I'm strictly middle of the
>pack,
>> body builder type, but my Hct is typically about 49-51%. I give blood now
>> and then to try and reduce my iron load (men get this b/c they don't
>> menstruate), which is now thought to be a problem for some. I'm not
>> dehydrated at all, and have no earthly idea why my hct would be so high.
>
>It's not abnormal. If you trained really hard (in an endurance sport like
>cycling) it's likely that your hct would be lower as as result.
>
>-WG

Maybe we shall see. I found the readings...

Date Hct (%) Training intensity
1980 - 48.8 above avg - (swim-bike-run, weight train, fight (40miles/wk
running, 20-30/wk in prev 3 years)
1990 - 47.5 moderate - (run, weight train 20 mile/wk running)
2000 - 43.6 low (didn't train at all from 1994 to 1999)
2000-02 ? low (trail biking intermittently <10 mi/wk)
2003 -04 ? moderate - (100-150mi/week bike. No running, mod weight
training as maintenence.)

Hmmm, though the trend seems to be lower hct, it's in inverse proportion to
intensity and endurance ability. Probably some other effect at work than
your comment, b/c you are correct in theory.

I'll get one next week, and again in summer, 2005. Dunno if I'm able to
train endurance 'hard' at 50, but I'm trying. I'm in the piedmont, so not
'altitude', though I got apparent, and noticeable improvement running in Va
Beach. Probably just wishful thinking, though, b/c my best 10K and 13.1
mile time there is best; mostly due to the flat. I did some training on
Skyline drive, though, lol, weekend athlete tries to copy the pros, back in
the 80s <g>

-B
 
"gym gravity" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> But if you're a pro, and you are close, why risk it? Why did Cioni get
> his permit, while Hermida is facing sanctions (is he? whatever happened
> to that story?)?

Cioni is apparently over the limit occasionally even without the effects of
altitude training. The blood test he had before Worlds where his hematocrit
was over the limit was more than a month after he did a week of altitude
training (that I know of). The article on cyclingnews discusses the
procedure that established his natural tendencies.

-WG
 
"Badger South" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:32:46 GMT, "Warren" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Badger South" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >
> >> Incidently, not sure why, or if it helps me or what, b/c I've never
been
> >> trained even -near- that of a pro athlete. I'm strictly middle of the
> >pack,
> >> body builder type, but my Hct is typically about 49-51%. I give blood
now
> >> and then to try and reduce my iron load (men get this b/c they don't
> >> menstruate), which is now thought to be a problem for some. I'm not
> >> dehydrated at all, and have no earthly idea why my hct would be so
high.
> >
> >It's not abnormal. If you trained really hard (in an endurance sport like
> >cycling) it's likely that your hct would be lower as as result.
> >
> >-WG
>
> Maybe we shall see. I found the readings...
>
> Date Hct (%) Training intensity
> 1980 - 48.8 above avg - (swim-bike-run, weight train, fight (40miles/wk
> running, 20-30/wk in prev 3 years)
> 1990 - 47.5 moderate - (run, weight train 20 mile/wk running)
> 2000 - 43.6 low (didn't train at all from 1994 to 1999)
> 2000-02 ? low (trail biking intermittently <10 mi/wk)
> 2003 -04 ? moderate - (100-150mi/week bike. No running, mod weight
> training as maintenence.)
>
> Hmmm, though the trend seems to be lower hct, it's in inverse proportion
to
> intensity and endurance ability. Probably some other effect at work than
> your comment, b/c you are correct in theory.

You said yours was 49-51 but all the data you've shown above is below that.

Mine is 48'ish in the middle of the season of hard training.

-WG
 
On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 15:39:34 -0400, gym gravity <[email protected]>
wrote:

>>>Right. What I don't understand is, why does he do the altitude training
>>>if he knows he's so close to 50 in the first place?
>>>
>>>http://www.bike.com/template.asp?date=8/10/2004&lsectionnumber=3
>>
>>
>> I don't know exactly, but Dario and I have the same coach who told me that
>> even though the 6 days I spent at altitude during Masters Track Nat's wasn't
>> enough time to have much effect on my hematocrit level but there are other
>> benefits from being at altitude. He said that riders who have spent a week
>> or so at altitude often see some positive results about one to two weeks
>> after being at altitude (even though it was for a relatively short period of
>> time).
>>
>> -WG
>>
>
>Yeah, I'm all for the idea that maybe there is something other than
>'crit that is affected by altitude. I always feel bulletproof for 2
>weeks or so, 2-3 weeks after a week at altitude, but I don't have the
>means nor the reason to find out if my 'crit is higher or not.

When you say training at altitude, what do you mean? IOW, I could go train
at 2400 to 3600ft elevation, on modest hills on the Blue Ridge Parkway.
Would that be an advantage over sealevel to any meaningful degree?

Guess I could try that and report back, next spring. I have a ride
scheduled and could do a week or two in April/May.

-B
 
It is a risk worth taking when you know you can saline solution down to
under 50%... quite useful when you can go over 50% for a race without
failing an EPO test

"gym gravity" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Warren wrote:
>
> > "gym gravity" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> >>Warren wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Interesting information about how the high hematocrit levels are
> >
> > established
> >
> >>>for certain riders.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>More detail is at...
> >>>
> >>>http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2004/oct04/oct25news
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"...I went to Lausanne, where I was monitored for three days. During
> >
> > this
> >
> >>>period of time, several blood samples were taken. After all this info
> >
> > was
> >
> >>>analysed, I received the certificate from UCI. Of course the
certificate
> >>>contains a limit, but it is a personal limit according to my natural
> >
> > level,
> >
> >>>not the 50 limit, which is used for the whole world. I think this is an
> >>>issue that should be analysed more deeply, as not every rider has the
> >
> > same
> >
> >>>value, so why is there a 50 percent limit for everyone?"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>So, test each rider in this way and each gets their own certificate?
> >
> > Then
> >
> >>>they can't use EPO to go higher than their own natural level.
> >>>
> >>>-WG
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>Right. What I don't understand is, why does he do the altitude training
> >>if he knows he's so close to 50 in the first place?
> >>
> >>http://www.bike.com/template.asp?date=8/10/2004&lsectionnumber=3
> >
> >
> > I don't know exactly, but Dario and I have the same coach who told me
that
> > even though the 6 days I spent at altitude during Masters Track Nat's
wasn't
> > enough time to have much effect on my hematocrit level but there are
other
> > benefits from being at altitude. He said that riders who have spent a
week
> > or so at altitude often see some positive results about one to two weeks
> > after being at altitude (even though it was for a relatively short
period of
> > time).
> >
> > -WG
> >
>
> Yeah, I'm all for the idea that maybe there is something other than
> 'crit that is affected by altitude. I always feel bulletproof for 2
> weeks or so, 2-3 weeks after a week at altitude, but I don't have the
> means nor the reason to find out if my 'crit is higher or not.
>
> But if you're a pro, and you are close, why risk it? Why did Cioni get
> his permit, while Hermida is facing sanctions (is he? whatever happened
> to that story?)?
 
On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:11:51 GMT, "Warren" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Badger South" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:32:46 GMT, "Warren" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Badger South" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >news:[email protected]...
>> >
>> >> Incidently, not sure why, or if it helps me or what, b/c I've never
>been
>> >> trained even -near- that of a pro athlete. I'm strictly middle of the
>> >pack,
>> >> body builder type, but my Hct is typically about 49-51%. I give blood
>now
>> >> and then to try and reduce my iron load (men get this b/c they don't
>> >> menstruate), which is now thought to be a problem for some. I'm not
>> >> dehydrated at all, and have no earthly idea why my hct would be so
>high.
>> >
>> >It's not abnormal. If you trained really hard (in an endurance sport like
>> >cycling) it's likely that your hct would be lower as as result.
>> >
>> >-WG
>>
>> Maybe we shall see. I found the readings...
>>
>> Date Hct (%) Training intensity
>> 1980 - 48.8 above avg - (swim-bike-run, weight train, fight (40miles/wk
>> running, 20-30/wk in prev 3 years)
>> 1990 - 47.5 moderate - (run, weight train 20 mile/wk running)
>> 2000 - 43.6 low (didn't train at all from 1994 to 1999)
>> 2000-02 ? low (trail biking intermittently <10 mi/wk)
>> 2003 -04 ? moderate - (100-150mi/week bike. No running, mod weight
>> training as maintenence.)
>>
>> Hmmm, though the trend seems to be lower hct, it's in inverse proportion
>to
>> intensity and endurance ability. Probably some other effect at work than
>> your comment, b/c you are correct in theory.
>
>You said yours was 49-51 but all the data you've shown above is below that.
>
>Mine is 48'ish in the middle of the season of hard training.
>
>-WG
>

I had an Hct taken that was on record in 1980. The Hct was 48.8. I had
higher Hcts, but don't have an actual record on paper in front of me. Sorry
if that was confusing. I recall one, a 'spun' Hct being ~52 that we did one
time in the donor room, farting around, and that's accurate enough to
donate, but not as accurate as one run on a blood analyzer. You can run up
the stairs and then take your Hct again, and it will be up a point, btw. We
did that for certain apheresis donors where we had to qualify them, but we
were just taking plasma and plts and no blood, so technically they would be
under the limit, but that param was not critical.

The 48.8 was done in a clinical lab on a peripherally drawn blood sample
and put in my chart, iow. The other two are snapshots from Dr's office
visits. I just called the office since I had to make an appt for next week
and the kind lady told me.

But, whoa, if yours is 48ish, cool. Did that involve altitude training? Any
baseline pre-biking levels?

-B
LOL, so much for medical privacy over the phone. You could call her
(theoretically) and say 'this is Badger, can you tell me my Hct from 2000
again' ;->
 
Depends on the altitude that you spent living on all your life. (especially
when growing up)

"Badger South" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 15:39:34 -0400, gym gravity <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >>>Right. What I don't understand is, why does he do the altitude
training
> >>>if he knows he's so close to 50 in the first place?
> >>>
> >>>http://www.bike.com/template.asp?date=8/10/2004&lsectionnumber=3
> >>
> >>
> >> I don't know exactly, but Dario and I have the same coach who told me
that
> >> even though the 6 days I spent at altitude during Masters Track Nat's
wasn't
> >> enough time to have much effect on my hematocrit level but there are
other
> >> benefits from being at altitude. He said that riders who have spent a
week
> >> or so at altitude often see some positive results about one to two
weeks
> >> after being at altitude (even though it was for a relatively short
period of
> >> time).
> >>
> >> -WG
> >>
> >
> >Yeah, I'm all for the idea that maybe there is something other than
> >'crit that is affected by altitude. I always feel bulletproof for 2
> >weeks or so, 2-3 weeks after a week at altitude, but I don't have the
> >means nor the reason to find out if my 'crit is higher or not.
>
> When you say training at altitude, what do you mean? IOW, I could go train
> at 2400 to 3600ft elevation, on modest hills on the Blue Ridge Parkway.
> Would that be an advantage over sealevel to any meaningful degree?
>
> Guess I could try that and report back, next spring. I have a ride
> scheduled and could do a week or two in April/May.
>
> -B
>
>
 
Badger South wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 15:39:34 -0400, gym gravity <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>>>>Right. What I don't understand is, why does he do the altitude training
>>>>if he knows he's so close to 50 in the first place?
>>>>
>>>>http://www.bike.com/template.asp?date=8/10/2004&lsectionnumber=3
>>>
>>>
>>>I don't know exactly, but Dario and I have the same coach who told me that
>>>even though the 6 days I spent at altitude during Masters Track Nat's wasn't
>>>enough time to have much effect on my hematocrit level but there are other
>>>benefits from being at altitude. He said that riders who have spent a week
>>>or so at altitude often see some positive results about one to two weeks
>>>after being at altitude (even though it was for a relatively short period of
>>>time).
>>>
>>>-WG
>>>
>>
>>Yeah, I'm all for the idea that maybe there is something other than
>>'crit that is affected by altitude. I always feel bulletproof for 2
>>weeks or so, 2-3 weeks after a week at altitude, but I don't have the
>>means nor the reason to find out if my 'crit is higher or not.
>
>
> When you say training at altitude, what do you mean? IOW, I could go train
> at 2400 to 3600ft elevation, on modest hills on the Blue Ridge Parkway.
> Would that be an advantage over sealevel to any meaningful degree?
>
my guess is that about 7000 feet would be a good place to start. That's
about where people complain about feeling the effects of altitude. I
spent three weeks in Colorado at 9-13,000 feet once, a week in Colorado
at 8-12,000 feet another time, and a long weekend in Idaho at about
8-9,000 feet. Each time I felt great after coming back, but the first
few days were hard, probably due to the tiredness from the whole
adventure. I didn't feel good until at least the following weekends.
The longest trip had me feeling good for about a month, starting a week
after returning. I was most surprised that I felt something from the
shortest trip.
> Guess I could try that and report back, next spring. I have a ride
> scheduled and could do a week or two in April/May.
>
I would prescribe a trip to northern Arizona for two weeks in late
April. Ride 2 out of every 4 days. Hike once every 4 days. Fly fish
on the rest days. Give yourself 1 week afterwards to recover and 1 more
week with intense riding to acclimate to sea level. Repeat as necessary.
> -B
>
>
 
On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:46:11 -0400, gym gravity <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Badger South wrote:
>> On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 15:39:34 -0400, gym gravity <[email protected]>
>> wrote:

>>
>> When you say training at altitude, what do you mean? IOW, I could go train
>> at 2400 to 3600ft elevation, on modest hills on the Blue Ridge Parkway.
>> Would that be an advantage over sealevel to any meaningful degree?
>>
>my guess is that about 7000 feet would be a good place to start. That's
>about where people complain about feeling the effects of altitude. I
>spent three weeks in Colorado at 9-13,000 feet once, a week in Colorado
>at 8-12,000 feet another time, and a long weekend in Idaho at about
>8-9,000 feet. Each time I felt great after coming back, but the first
>few days were hard, probably due to the tiredness from the whole
>adventure. I didn't feel good until at least the following weekends.
>The longest trip had me feeling good for about a month, starting a week
>after returning. I was most surprised that I felt something from the
>shortest trip.
>> Guess I could try that and report back, next spring. I have a ride
>> scheduled and could do a week or two in April/May.
>>
>I would prescribe a trip to northern Arizona for two weeks in late
>April. Ride 2 out of every 4 days. Hike once every 4 days. Fly fish
>on the rest days. Give yourself 1 week afterwards to recover and 1 more
>week with intense riding to acclimate to sea level. Repeat as necessary.


Super. Do you have a particular location? Well-known and safe bike route
for potentially dizzy riders, lol? (Heck, I'd probably get a bene from just
wandering around the hotel parking lot.)

Just like when we need to convince the wife we need a new bike.

Me: I have to go to northern arizona in april.
her: <gleefully clapping hands> Why, buttheed?
me: ...and I need a new bike
her: <frowny face> Why, buttheed? Totally different effect, same words.

-B
Where you going? Her: to arizona. Me: what about 'I' did you miss. <Ducking
and running.>
 
"Badger South" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> When you say training at altitude, what do you mean? IOW, I could go train
> at 2400 to 3600ft elevation, on modest hills on the Blue Ridge Parkway.
> Would that be an advantage over sealevel to any meaningful degree?

No, you have to be over 5,000 feet and 6,000 is starters for most people.

> Guess I could try that and report back, next spring. I have a ride
> scheduled and could do a week or two in April/May.

If you're training on the Blue Ridge Parkway expect to see improvements that
have nothing to do with altitude - such as balls the size of basketballs
after fighting the traffic.
 
Tom Kunich said:
"Badger South" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> When you say training at altitude, what do you mean? IOW, I could go train
> at 2400 to 3600ft elevation, on modest hills on the Blue Ridge Parkway.
> Would that be an advantage over sealevel to any meaningful degree?

No, you have to be over 5,000 feet and 6,000 is starters for most people.

> Guess I could try that and report back, next spring. I have a ride
> scheduled and could do a week or two in April/May.

If you're training on the Blue Ridge Parkway expect to see improvements that
have nothing to do with altitude - such as balls the size of basketballs
after fighting the traffic.
Click to expand...

So, speaking of altitude training, us lowlanders with jobs can't just go to Colorado to live for the season. Has anyone out there tried or know anything about this? http://www.go2altitude.com/p1.html
Can you really sit on your ass watching TV and get a boost from this thing? If so, I am so all about sitting on my ass in front of the TV - after training, of course, mind you. I mean, really, I will have to actually do *some* work, right?
 
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:56:45 +1000, pedalchick
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>Tom Kunich Wrote:
>> "Badger South" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> >
>> > When you say training at altitude, what do you mean?
>>
>> No, you have to be over 5,000 feet and 6,000 is starters for most
>> people.
>>
>>
>> If you're training on the Blue Ridge Parkway expect to see improvements
>> that have nothing to do with altitude - such as balls the size of
>> basketballs after fighting the traffic.
>
>So, speaking of altitude training, us lowlanders with jobs can't just
>go to Colorado to live for the season. Has anyone out there tried or
>know anything about this? http://www.go2altitude.com/p1.html
>Can you really sit on your ass watching TV and get a boost from this
>thing? If so, I am so all about sitting on my ass in front of the TV -
>after training, of course, mind you. I mean, really, I will have to
>actually do *some* work, right?

At least one of the guys on a major team at UVa, here, who has his dorm
room converted into an altitude tent and lives there when he's not in
class. I forget which sport, maybe swimming? The team fixed it up for him
and bought the equipment and stuff, iow, he's not just doing it on his own.

Can't recall other specifics, like where he lives. Perhaps he normally
lives at altitude (colorado) and doesn't want to lose his altitude fitness
too much? not sure.

-B
 
In article <[email protected]>,
Badger South <[email protected]> wrote:

> I give blood now and then to try and reduce my iron load (men get this
> b/c they don't menstruate),

Well, MOST don't. There are a few exceptions, of course...

--
tanx,
Howard

"It looks like the squirrel's been showing everybody
where he keeps his nuts."

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