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Tim McNamara said:

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"Paul" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>Which is the very best Titanium bike on the market for a 150lb person who likes to climb and
>does competitive road racing. Price is no object - high or low

Well, now, to answer the question: I think you could do no better than a Habanero.

Seriously, I'd be inclined to agree. Having the builder read r.b.tech is a far more concrete
advantage that a couple of grams here and there.

Get a Moots!

I was at the LBS the other day and a customer was looking at two Moots ( Mootseses? ) a Vamoots
for him and a Phsclo-X YBB for her. Both bikes were custom made with Campy Record 10s and hand
built rims.

Customer was going to take them to her villa in the south of Italy, and the lbs owner started to
explain that the shop would box and protect them for airline shipment at no charge.

³Thats all right. They are going on the private jet.²

Talk about money being no object! Must be nice.

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David Damerell said:

Jay Beattie said:

Be patient. You are dealing with many people in this news group who were born before 1970

November 1975, FYI.

Jeez. You young'uns! (September 1959 here).

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November 1975, FYI.

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Jeez. You young'uns! (September 1959 here).

This is a pointless exercise. November 1956.

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Paul said:

Do you or Mark honestly think that the quality of the Habanero is as good as a Seven Axiom?

Umm, it's very hard to reply logically when you top post.

Yes, in fact, I do think that the quality of a Habanero is as good as that of a Seven, or a Merlin,
or a Lightspeed for that matter. Habaneros are built by aerospace-trained welders who know how to do
titanium, and with Ti that's a big deal. It's easy to corrupt a weld with Ti through improper
procedure. You can have Habanero's standard geometry or you can go custom.

What you don't get with Habanero is marketing BS like "proprietary tapered S-bend stays that
maximize lateral rigidity while increasing vertical compliance for that magic sikly smooth
titanium ride." It's [censored], pure and simple. The geometry of the rear triangle prevents it from
having perceptible vertical compliance. Mark understands these issues, and he doesn't yank your
chain with this BS.

As far as I am concerned, you'll not find a better Ti bike on the market even though you can pay
lots and lots more.

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(Chalo) said:

"Paul" <[email hidden]> wrote:

> Which is the very best Titanium bike on the market for a 150lb person who likes to climb and
> does competitive road racing. Price is no object - high or low

Well, now, to answer the question: I think you could do no better than a Habanero. It ain't
expensive, but you did say "price is no object- high or low." I'll bet that Mark would sell you
one for $2000 if that makes you feel better about it.

"Eric S. Sande" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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November 1975, FYI.

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Jeez. You young'uns! (September 1959 here).

This is a pointless exercise. November 1956.

Really. October '56

Pete

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"That's not what I said at all so don't put words in my mouth. It means I have enough money to
buy what I want. That's also the reason I buy ASSOS clothing instead of Sugoi. that's the reason
I buy Tag Heuer instead of Casio. That's why I have a purebred dog instead of a mutt. If you are
happy with your junker bike, Sugoi clothing, Casio watch and mutt then all the more power to you
but please don't be jealous of someone who buys what they want."
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Damn. I would embarrassed to put something like that in writing, even if I believed it. -- Jay
Beattie.

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I suggest your reread my message and tell me what is embarrassing about

it.

Because it makes you look pompous and pretentious.

Bill "just a guess" S.

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> November 1975, FYI.

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Jeez. You young'uns! (September 1959 here).

This is a pointless exercise. November 1956.

Really. October '56

You're all punks!

July '55

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>> November 1975, FYI.

>Jeez. You young'uns! (September 1959 here).

This is a pointless exercise. November 1956.

Really. October '56

You're all punks!

July '55

Ahem. Oct '50, and still going strong:

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I would prefer you'd use the newer front page of home.earthlink.netWelcome.htmOpen ↗

I admit, there's still those same old broken links which I have fixed but never uploaded, and I
revamped the bicycle wheel of meditation section and never uploaded that, either. Mark Buell was
going to help with all of this, and then I think he got a job or something and ended up with
better things to do with his time.

Ah, Claire, dear Claire, I had no idea you felt that way. It was rather that the time I have in each
day is limited, and I am forced to prioritize. Over the last year, while I've been on this ugly
medication routine (a type of chemo) I haven't even been able to take care of ordinary family
necessities, like keeping up w/ my checkbook! I'm just lucky I can keep paying the bills!

But the meds go one more week. Hopefully some sort of normalcy will resume soon.

Mark

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>> November 1975, FYI.

>Jeez. You young'uns! (September 1959 here).

This is a pointless exercise. November 1956.

Really. October '56

You're all punks!

July '55

December '53.

And still lithe, limber, svelte. Still enjoying occasional breakfasts of 2 well salt-&-peppered,
shingled over-easies and 2 rashers of bacon. Still pole-vaulting out of bed every morning. Still
encumbered with a full head of hair that grows back faster than it falls out. I attribute my
preserved youth to my still riding bicycles. And a little bit of denial, and trying to forget there
was a time many years ago when I thought Gail Storm was hot.

I just wish I had my vision back to where I could read the date on a dime, with unaided eyes.

cheers, Tom

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I just wish I had my vision back to where I could read the date on a dime, with unaided eyes.

No [censored].

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From: [email hidden] (Tom Keats)

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I just wish I had my vision back to where I could read the date on a dime, with unaided eyes.

Well, maybe it's time to quit "pole vaulting out of bed every morning".

To every thing there is a season. --TP

"Eric S. Sande" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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I just wish I had my vision back to where I could read the date on a dime, with unaided eyes.

No [censored].

You know you're getting older when you have reading glasses at your desk, by your bed, and in
your bathroom.

Bill "hey, THAT's why Costco sells 'em in 3's" S.

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November 1975, FYI.

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Jeez. You young'uns! (September 1959 here).

This is a pointless exercise. November 1956.

Dear Eric,

You're absolutely right. If, for example, someone was foolishly boasting about his advanced years in
hopes of more birthday presents, he would include the exact date and his address.

Carl Fogel 309 Grace Ave. Pueblo, CO 81004

10 February 1956

(John Forrest Tomlinson) said:

A butted ti tube is probably a tiny bit better.

In any meaningful way, other than saving a few- very few in the case of titanium tubes- grams?
Butting in steel tubes saves appreciable weight, but in Ti and Al tubes it's of less significance
for weight savings.

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You're absolutely right. If, for example, someone was foolishly boasting about his advanced years
in hopes of more birthday presents, he would include the exact date and his address.

OK, Fogel, I'm not ready to give anything significant, but how about a mathom.

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very intelligent answer. Now give me a reason

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Paul said:

I suggest your reread my message and tell me what is embarrassing about it.

Oh, man. If you even have to ask, you're just never going to know.

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"That's not what I said at all so don't put words in my mouth. It means I have enough money to
buy what I want. That's also the reason I buy ASSOS clothing instead of Sugoi. that's the
reason I buy Tag Heuer instead of Casio. That's why I have a purebred dog instead of a mutt.
If you are happy with your junker bike, Sugoi clothing, Casio watch and mutt then all the more
power to you but please don't be jealous of someone who buys what they want."

Damn. I would embarrassed to put something like that in writing, even if I believed it.

Ditto, Jay, except that you're not clueless.

I don't believe I ever said I wasn't

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"That's not what I said at all so don't put words in my mouth. It

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I have enough money to buy what I want. That's also the reason I buy ASSOS clothing instead of
Sugoi. that's the reason I buy Tag Heuer instead

of

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Casio. That's why I have a purebred dog instead of a mutt. If you

are

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happy with your junker bike, Sugoi clothing, Casio watch and mutt then all the more power to
you but please don't be jealous of someone who buys what they want."
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Damn. I would embarrassed to put something like that in writing, even if I believed it. -- Jay
Beattie.

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I suggest your reread my message and tell me what is embarrassing about

it.

Because it makes you look pompous and pretentious.

Bill "just a guess" S.

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"Eric S. Sande" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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I just wish I had my vision back to where I could read the date on a dime, with unaided eyes.

No [censored].

You know you're getting older when you have reading glasses at your desk, by your bed, and in your
bathroom.

In the bathroom? After all these years, you still need to read the instructions on the tube of
toothpaste?

Stella, happy not to be winning the elderlier-than-thou contest

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She who succeeds in gaining the mastery of the bicycle will gain the mastery of life. --Frances E.
Willard, _How I Learned to Ride the Bicycle_

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In the bathroom? After all these years, you still need to read the instructions on the tube of
toothpaste?

We still need to read American Rifleman in the john, Stella.

Jeez.

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