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  1. I got a bit of a lower back problem. It got quite bad this week - I could
    barely walk-, so I'm off the bike for 2 weeks. I miss it, but looking at
    the bright side, at least I can listen to my music in the tube on my way to
    work! ;-)

    So, my question is, has any of you had any lower back problems. Is cycling
    really bad for it? Am supposed to go on this Trailblazing trip in 2 weeks
    time, and I'm worried that I might have to canel it. When I asked my
    accupunturist (spell?) whether I should go ahead with it or not she told me
    "I don't know what to say", which I translated into "Cancel it"!! I
    obviously don't want to give up cycling.

    Does it go away?

    Vivian
    -------
    "We learned more from a three minute record than we ever learned in school".
    No Surrender

  2. in message <[email hidden]>, Vivian

    (') said:

    I got a bit of a lower back problem. It got quite bad this week - I
    could
    barely walk-, so I'm off the bike for 2 weeks. I miss it, but looking
    at the bright side, at least I can listen to my music in the tube on
    my way to work! ;-)

    So, my question is, has any of you had any lower back problems.

    Yes, I have, and I've also (unrelated) broken my back in a car crash.

    Quoted message said:

    Is cycling really bad for it?

    No, not in my experience, quite the contrary.

    Quoted message said:

    Am supposed to go on this Trailblazing trip in 2
    weeks time, and I'm worried that I might have to canel it.

    Does it go away?

    Not until you go to see an osteopath. Then it goes away immediately and
    doesn't come back again until the next time you lift something you
    really should not.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    ;; I'll have a proper rant later, when I get the time.

  3. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Vivian said:

    So, my question is, has any of you had any lower back problems.

    Yes, I have had. Managing to avoid it pretty well since I gave up
    Dilberting.

    Quoted message said:

    Is cycling
    really bad for it?

    Nope, cycling is really good for it. Commuting was the bit of the
    day that helped offset office-back.

    Not sure whether/how much it depends on the bike being a good fit.

    --
    Nick Kew

  4. "Vivian" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I got a bit of a lower back problem. It got quite bad this week - I could
    barely walk-, so I'm off the bike for 2 weeks. I miss it, but looking at
    the bright side, at least I can listen to my music in the tube on my way


    to

    Quoted message said:

    work! ;-)

    So, my question is, has any of you had any lower back problems. Is


    cycling

    Quoted message said:

    really bad for it? Am supposed to go on this Trailblazing trip in 2 weeks
    time, and I'm worried that I might have to canel it. When I asked my
    accupunturist (spell?) whether I should go ahead with it or not she told


    me

    Quoted message said:

    "I don't know what to say", which I translated into "Cancel it"!! I
    obviously don't want to give up cycling.

    Does it go away?

    Vivian
    -------
    "We learned more from a three minute record than we ever learned in


    school".

    Quoted message said:

    No Surrender

    "has any of you" !!!!!!!!!!!

    Graham

  5. Vivian said:

    So, my question is, has any of you had any lower back problems. Is cycling
    really bad for it?

    It depends: all lower back problems are not equal, and all cycling is
    not equal. Really deep crouches put rather more strain on things than
    upright (or, of course, recumbent!) riding positions, but depending on
    whether it's joints or muscles or some combination might well affect things.

    Quoted message said:

    time, and I'm worried that I might have to canel it. When I asked my
    accupunturist (spell?) whether I should go ahead with it or not she told me
    "I don't know what to say", which I translated into "Cancel it"!! I
    obviously don't want to give up cycling.

    Possibly try an osteopath/chiropractor as if it's joint misalignment
    then physically putting things back where they ought to be will be much
    the best thing for it.

    If it's longer term then start looking hard at recumbents or more
    upright riding positions as a first port of call.

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

  6. Graham said:

    "has any of you" !!!!!!!!!!!

    Graham

    Helpful answer that one Graham.

    I would have thought that if you're going to criticise someone's grammar,
    you'd might not want to use _quite_ so many exclamation marks.

  7. Vivian said:

    So, my question is, has any of you had any lower back problems. Is
    cycling really bad for it? Am supposed to go on this Trailblazing
    trip in 2 weeks time, and I'm worried that I might have to canel it.
    When I asked my accupunturist (spell?) whether I should go ahead with
    it or not she told me "I don't know what to say", which I translated
    into "Cancel it"!! I obviously don't want to give up cycling.

    Does it go away?

    Sometimes, or you learn to live with it. As suggested elsewhere consider an
    osteopath, chiropractor, or my case I'd recommend a postural
    physiotherapist.

    All should be able to help with the current problem and then, to varying
    degrees help you on avoiding it in the future.

    In my case I have/had occasional dibilitating back pain (where I can't
    straighten up, or do something as simple as putting on my socks without
    agony). I had gone to a chiropractor for a few years who would sort me out
    but the problem would come back between 6 weeks to 3 months later. He didn't
    offer any real proactive advice and I was tired of the charges so I went to
    the GP for a different approach.

    That was the postural physio, who looked at everything from the way I walk
    to how to stand, sit and general posture. She showed me different whys of
    doing common things, like standing up, carrying weights etc, all focussing
    on how to keep the strain off my back.

    Also covered was riding motorbikes and how to get the 'best' out of a poor
    posture - lots of breaks, exercises on the bike etc - some of these also
    apply to a bicycle. The main thing was to keep the S-shape in the spine and
    not to hunch up.

    It's now been 5 months since the last major problem - considering I was
    having them every 6 weeks, this is quite am improvement. Still hurts, but
    it's a lot better!

    I've also found gentle exercise helps a lot in keeping things moving - but
    it needs to be gentle. Listen to what your body is saying - if it hurts, try
    something different.

  8. Vivian said:

    I got a bit of a lower back problem.

    I think you need a more precise diagnosis.

    OTOH, maybe you don't, cos I'm sure whatever it is, there are some who
    recovered, and some who didn't :-)

    James
    --
    If I have seen further than others, it is
    by treading on the toes of giants.
    http://www.ne.jp/asahi/julesandjames/home/

  9. "Vivian" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I got a bit of a lower back problem. It got quite bad this week - I could
    barely walk-, so I'm off the bike for 2 weeks. I miss it, but looking at
    the bright side, at least I can listen to my music in the tube on my way


    to

    Quoted message said:

    work! ;-)

    So, my question is, has any of you had any lower back problems. Is


    cycling

    Quoted message said:

    really bad for it? Am supposed to go on this Trailblazing trip in 2 weeks
    time, and I'm worried that I might have to canel it. When I asked my
    accupunturist (spell?) whether I should go ahead with it or not she told


    me

    Quoted message said:

    "I don't know what to say", which I translated into "Cancel it"!! I
    obviously don't want to give up cycling.

    Does it go away?

    Vivian
    -------
    "We learned more from a three minute record than we ever learned in


    school".

    Quoted message said:

    No Surrender

    Vivian

    I suggest you find a good physio. I had a lower back problem in October last
    year which turned out to be a disc problem. The key to my recovery has been
    improvement of posture while sitting, plenty of walking and Pilates
    exercises aimed at improving my core strength. I was off the bike for a long
    while but after gaining a basic level of fitness via the above my physio
    suggested swimming and cycling to further improve my fitness. I found
    swimming aggravated my back but cycling was great. I have been cycling again
    for approx 3 months and find that as long as I keep up the other exercises
    my back is pretty good now. Not yet 100% but getting there.

    I think originally I did not take the problem seriously enough and made it
    worse by returning to work too quickly so please seek professional help
    sooner rather than later.

    Hope this helps

    Cheers,
    David

  10. Vivian said:


    So, my question is, has any of you had any lower back problems. Is
    cycling
    really bad for it? Am supposed to go on this Trailblazing trip in 2
    weeks
    time, and I'm worried that I might have to canel it. When I asked my
    accupunturist (spell?) whether I should go ahead with it or not she told
    me
    "I don't know what to say", which I translated into "Cancel it"!! I
    obviously don't want to give up cycling.

    Does it go away?

    To answer your first question, I have suffered from increasingly herniated
    and dessicated discs in the lumbar region (L4/5/S1) since my teens
    (diagnosed mid-twenties). Much of the time I am fine (although never
    perfect); now and again I have aches in my spine and/or sciatica (if I sit
    improperly or sleep in an unsuitable position, etc.); on four occasions I
    have been unable to walk for a period of days (had a couple of epidurals,
    one of which went into the wrong place - not fun at all!)

    When young I was an avid cyclist, but stopped during my university
    career. I have, at the age of 35 (correction, 36, yesterday was my
    birthday - *sigh*), recently climbed back into the saddle. To some
    extent, this newfound interest in cycling was an attempt to help with my
    spinal problem.

    However, I have several observations.

    Most importantly, a newsgroup is fit only for anecdotal advice. As
    several individuals have pointed out, each case must be assessed on its
    own merits (sic) and comments here, my own included, should be taken cum
    grano salis.

    Regardless of how serious your discomfort appears now, I'd recommend
    seeing a good specialist (an orthopaedic surgeon or, at least, a reputable
    pain consultant). I grew up in England, where my two general
    practitioners knew nothing about spinal problems. Indeed, the problem was
    not even diagnosed properly until I had an emergency MRI scan in Hong Kong
    (some 10 years after complaining of agony in my coccyx as a teenager,
    often associated with cycling).

    When I was 16 I was sent to see an osteopath, who used to put me through
    an hour of torture each week. Again, he had very little understanding of
    the problem; and most orthopaedic surgeons since have told me that this
    almost certainly did more harm than good.

    Ditto for physiotherapy. This can be very useful, even necessary, if done
    properly. If not, it can be treacherous to the spine. Again, I'd
    question the ability of most GPs to make an appropriate recommendation on
    this front; likewise for physios themselves. There are new and old
    schools of physiotherapy, it would seem (hot-packs vs. ice!) - have tried
    both and they can both be helpful in the right circumstances. The *right*
    movement is very important.

    Acupuncture: well, I am a sinologist, so I tried this, too! No real
    benefit, and I'd argue that few of these individuals are qualified ro
    assess a lumbar spine problem (at least in the UK; in China, where I have
    also lived, training is for more extensive).

    As for chiropractors, I exacerbated my spine at the beginning of the year
    (courtesy of a parsimonious client who flew me from New York to India in
    caboose). Once I had persuaded the surgeon in Bangalore to lay down his
    scalpel, I came home and saw a chiropractor. It was clear that he knew
    vanilla treatments for common spine problems. How precisely aligned his
    treatments were to my needs, I am not sure. Lots of marketing around his
    assessment of my MRI scans, but he clearly didn't get the picture
    (ouch!). He was a recognised (and expensive!) practitioner in New York
    (where this stuff is popular); still, I'd never go back.

    I stopped the chiropractor after a week and continued to see my personal
    trainer. Most of these guys are quacks, too; I, however, am fortunate: he
    understands my spinal problem and watches every single move I make (which
    is really annoying as reps in bad form sometimes don't count towards the
    total!). Knowing how to protect my lower back when I am doing exercises
    he put me on a rehabilitation program, which has worked out very well.
    Incidentally, my last MRI scan showed that the muscles around my lower
    spine were very strong, which is entirely attributable to this gentleman.

    Which brings me to cycling (after quite a prologue, I am sorry). My
    trainer recommended that I buy a bike. I was somewhat hesitant, but once
    I got there the very smell of the LBS was enough to compel me to purchase
    a road bike (with compact geometry). Explained about my spine to the
    sales chap, and he recommended a smaller frame so that I would not be too
    extended. Not sure how much rationale is behind this, but it is important
    that I keep my abs tight, so it does make sense. Sometimes I wonder
    whether they had the larger frame in stock (although he said they did)!

    Rode the bike for two days with no problem (15-odd miles). After the
    third (25 miles) I got off the bike and was in some pain. More indignant
    than anything, I popped 75mg of Vioxx, 15mg and of Diazepan and a few
    Tramadol pills; then rested for a couple of days and hopped back into the
    saddle. Since then it has been generally fine.

    I find that cycling exacerbates my spine if I churn high gears; I often
    get sciatica and/or numbness in my left leg at around the 20-mile mark,
    but resting for 10 minutes usually resolves this. On the whole, I don't
    believe that cycling is doing me any harm. My surgeon's view of all this
    is that, provided I don't hit any major bumps (which could compress my
    'dried-out bits', I should be ok - it's unlikely to be worse than sitting
    at a computer all day long. I certainly feel more 'mobile' now, which is
    good for my lower back.

    I found that a cycling computer helped me maintain the right cadence to
    stop me from pushing too hard on the legs, which clearly impacts my spine.

    All this is a somewhat circuitous way of saying that it makes sense to
    have a good specialist look at the problem, but that cycling is not
    necessarily a bad idea.

    One final point, however: experts have always stressed to me the need to
    attenuate the pain before embarking upon exercise. I'd be very wary of
    jumping onto a bike if you're still in pain as you might well exacerbate
    the root problem and/or the spasm.

    Hope this helps.

    Glm

  11. David Barnes said:

    "Vivian" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Vivian

    I suggest you find a good physio. I had a lower back problem in October
    last
    year which turned out to be a disc problem. The key to my recovery has
    been
    improvement of posture while sitting, plenty of walking and Pilates
    exercises aimed at improving my core strength. I was off the bike for a
    long
    while but after gaining a basic level of fitness via the above my physio
    suggested swimming and cycling to further improve my fitness. I found
    swimming aggravated my back but cycling was great. I have been cycling
    again
    for approx 3 months and find that as long as I keep up the other
    exercises
    my back is pretty good now. Not yet 100% but getting there.

    I think originally I did not take the problem seriously enough and made
    it
    worse by returning to work too quickly so please seek professional help
    sooner rather than later.

    Hope this helps

    Cheers,
    David

    Ditto. Back problems are so common that many GPs et al. are quite
    dismissive of first-time sufferers (largely, in my experience, because
    they don't really know what to do). Agree with David that professional
    advice should be sought, although I'd start with an ortho rather than a
    physio.

    Forgot to mention in my other post that I have contacts in London if it
    helps.

  12. Quoted message said:

    To answer your first question, I have suffered from increasingly herniated
    and dessicated discs in the lumbar region (L4/5/S1) since my teens
    (diagnosed mid-twenties). Much of the time I am fine (although never
    perfect); now and again I have aches in my spine and/or sciatica (if I sit
    improperly or sleep in an unsuitable position, etc.); on four occasions I
    have been unable to walk for a period of days (had a couple of epidurals,
    one of which went into the wrong place - not fun at all!)

    When young I was an avid cyclist, but stopped during my university
    career. I have, at the age of 35 (correction, 36, yesterday was my
    birthday - *sigh*), recently climbed back into the saddle. To some
    extent, this newfound interest in cycling was an attempt to help with my
    spinal problem.

    However, I have several observations.

    Most importantly, a newsgroup is fit only for anecdotal advice. As
    several individuals have pointed out, each case must be assessed on its
    own merits (sic) and comments here, my own included, should be taken cum
    grano salis.

    Regardless of how serious your discomfort appears now, I'd recommend
    seeing a good specialist (an orthopaedic surgeon or, at least, a reputable
    pain consultant). I grew up in England, where my two general
    practitioners knew nothing about spinal problems. Indeed, the problem was
    not even diagnosed properly until I had an emergency MRI scan in Hong Kong
    (some 10 years after complaining of agony in my coccyx as a teenager,
    often associated with cycling).

    When I was 16 I was sent to see an osteopath, who used to put me through
    an hour of torture each week. Again, he had very little understanding of
    the problem; and most orthopaedic surgeons since have told me that this
    almost certainly did more harm than good.

    Ditto for physiotherapy. This can be very useful, even necessary, if done
    properly. If not, it can be treacherous to the spine. Again, I'd
    question the ability of most GPs to make an appropriate recommendation on
    this front; likewise for physios themselves. There are new and old
    schools of physiotherapy, it would seem (hot-packs vs. ice!) - have tried
    both and they can both be helpful in the right circumstances. The *right*
    movement is very important.

    Acupuncture: well, I am a sinologist, so I tried this, too! No real
    benefit, and I'd argue that few of these individuals are qualified ro
    assess a lumbar spine problem (at least in the UK; in China, where I have
    also lived, training is for more extensive).

    As for chiropractors, I exacerbated my spine at the beginning of the year
    (courtesy of a parsimonious client who flew me from New York to India in
    caboose). Once I had persuaded the surgeon in Bangalore to lay down his
    scalpel, I came home and saw a chiropractor. It was clear that he knew
    vanilla treatments for common spine problems. How precisely aligned his
    treatments were to my needs, I am not sure. Lots of marketing around his
    assessment of my MRI scans, but he clearly didn't get the picture
    (ouch!). He was a recognised (and expensive!) practitioner in New York
    (where this stuff is popular); still, I'd never go back.

    I stopped the chiropractor after a week and continued to see my personal
    trainer. Most of these guys are quacks, too; I, however, am fortunate: he
    understands my spinal problem and watches every single move I make (which
    is really annoying as reps in bad form sometimes don't count towards the
    total!). Knowing how to protect my lower back when I am doing exercises
    he put me on a rehabilitation program, which has worked out very well.
    Incidentally, my last MRI scan showed that the muscles around my lower
    spine were very strong, which is entirely attributable to this gentleman.

    Which brings me to cycling (after quite a prologue, I am sorry). My
    trainer recommended that I buy a bike. I was somewhat hesitant, but once
    I got there the very smell of the LBS was enough to compel me to purchase
    a road bike (with compact geometry). Explained about my spine to the
    sales chap, and he recommended a smaller frame so that I would not be too
    extended. Not sure how much rationale is behind this, but it is important
    that I keep my abs tight, so it does make sense. Sometimes I wonder
    whether they had the larger frame in stock (although he said they did)!

    Rode the bike for two days with no problem (15-odd miles). After the
    third (25 miles) I got off the bike and was in some pain. More indignant
    than anything, I popped 75mg of Vioxx, 15mg and of Diazepan and a few
    Tramadol pills; then rested for a couple of days and hopped back into the
    saddle. Since then it has been generally fine.

    I find that cycling exacerbates my spine if I churn high gears; I often
    get sciatica and/or numbness in my left leg at around the 20-mile mark,
    but resting for 10 minutes usually resolves this. On the whole, I don't
    believe that cycling is doing me any harm. My surgeon's view of all this
    is that, provided I don't hit any major bumps (which could compress my
    'dried-out bits', I should be ok - it's unlikely to be worse than sitting
    at a computer all day long. I certainly feel more 'mobile' now, which is
    good for my lower back.

    I found that a cycling computer helped me maintain the right cadence to
    stop me from pushing too hard on the legs, which clearly impacts my spine.

    All this is a somewhat circuitous way of saying that it makes sense to
    have a good specialist look at the problem, but that cycling is not
    necessarily a bad idea.

    One final point, however: experts have always stressed to me the need to
    attenuate the pain before embarking upon exercise. I'd be very wary of
    jumping onto a bike if you're still in pain as you might well exacerbate
    the root problem and/or the spasm.

    Hope this helps.

    Glm

    Great post and very helpful advice. I have a problem of late too and am
    waiting to see an Osteopath, after an MRI showed no structural problems.

    I think there's a whole debate here about frame geometry (if that's not
    already obvious!) in that I have had advice that advocates compact for my
    problem and contrary advice stating that traditional geometry is actually
    easier to fit a person to as the measurements are very black and white. I
    currently ride a compact too and, after months and months of adjustments
    including professional fitting, I am totally convinced that *for me* it's a
    bad thing. My 2nd bike is a trad frame and I don't get anywhere near as
    many problems.

    I am therefore selling my compact bike and gonna by the 2005 Cannondale R900
    (Simon - have you seen it?) I believe that this will help me but, as wisely
    stated above, every problem is individual and the worst advice for back pain
    is generic advice!

    In the meantime if anyone fancies a very nice Specialized Allez Comp......

    ;-)

    Cheers

    Paul

  13. Paul said:


    I believe that this will help me but, as wisely
    stated above, every problem is individual and the worst advice for back pain
    is generic advice!

    The old advice of resting until your back got better has been replaced
    these days by staying as mobile and active as the pain allows for most
    of the simple causes. There is a good section on the BUPA website which
    says:

    "Stay active

    Research shows that bed rest does not help simple back pain – it’s much
    better to return to normal physical activity as soon as possible.
    Staying active may hurt more at first, but it helps the back to heal
    quickly, and reduces the risk of the problem occurring again.

    If the pain is so bad that taking to bed really seems the only option,
    keep bed rest as short as possible before getting up and about again."

    http://hcd2.bupa.co.uk/fact_sheets/mosby_factsheets/backpain.html

    Of course getting a good diagnosis from a osteo is essential to rule out
    more complex problems.

    Tony

  14. Paul said:

    Great post and very helpful advice. I have a problem of late too and am
    waiting to see an Osteopath, after an MRI showed no structural problems.

    I think there's a whole debate here about frame geometry (if that's not
    already obvious!) in that I have had advice that advocates compact for my
    problem and contrary advice stating that traditional geometry is actually
    easier to fit a person to as the measurements are very black and white.
    I
    currently ride a compact too and, after months and months of adjustments
    including professional fitting, I am totally convinced that *for me*
    it's a
    bad thing. My 2nd bike is a trad frame and I don't get anywhere near as
    many problems.

    I am therefore selling my compact bike and gonna by the 2005 Cannondale
    R900
    (Simon - have you seen it?) I believe that this will help me but, as
    wisely
    stated above, every problem is individual and the worst advice for back
    pain
    is generic advice!

    In the meantime if anyone fancies a very nice Specialized Allez
    Comp......

    ;-)

    Cheers

    Paul

    Likewise, am not convinced by the compact geometry. However, I will say
    that the Zertz shock absorption qualities of the Specialized Roubaix do
    seem to help. Problem now is to find a comparison - riding around the
    block on a demonstrator is insufficient to bring out these problems.

    I had to raise the stem of my bike to reduce pain in the thenal area; the
    discomfort in my spine reduced at around the same time, possibly owing to
    a more relaxed posture.

  15. "Graham" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "has any of you" !!!!!!!!!!!

    Graham


    OK, Smartass!!;-) English is my second language, OK? :-)

    --
    Vivian
    -------
    "We learned more from a three minute record than we ever learned in school".
    No Surrender

  16. "Glm" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Ditto. Back problems are so common that many GPs et al. are quite
    dismissive of first-time sufferers (largely, in my experience, because
    they don't really know what to do). Agree with David that professional
    advice should be sought, although I'd start with an ortho rather than a
    physio.

    Forgot to mention in my other post that I have contacts in London if it
    helps.

    Thanks! I'm seeing an osteopath - but she decided to go on holiday right
    now!! Talk about timing!!

    I had a gruelling accupuncture session, where I went from "feeling ok,
    needles don't hurt" to "TAKE THEM OFF!!!" in a split of a second. That was
    on Tuesday, a very bad day that I could hardly walk. Amazingly, woke up w/o
    any pain whatsoever! Amazing! Am feeling better now, will be seeing my
    accupunturist on Wednesday, osteopath on Thursday.

    It's a muscle issue mainly.

    Thank you all for all your input. It's very encouraging. Very much
    appreciated!

    Vivian
    --
    Rich man's war, poor man's blood.

  17. "Glm" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    One final point, however: experts have always stressed to me the need to
    attenuate the pain before embarking upon exercise. I'd be very wary of
    jumping onto a bike if you're still in pain as you might well exacerbate
    the root problem and/or the spasm.


    That is my fear, as it doesn't normally hurt when I cycle, but when I get
    off the bike, after a while, it starts hurting on the right side of my hip.

    --
    Vivian
    -------
    "We learned more from a three minute record than we ever learned in school".
    No Surrender

  18. in message <[email hidden]>, Vivian

    (') said:

    Thanks! I'm seeing an osteopath - but she decided to go on holiday
    right now!! Talk about timing!!

    I had a gruelling accupuncture session, where I went from "feeling ok,
    needles don't hurt" to "TAKE THEM OFF!!!" in a split of a second.
    That was
    on Tuesday, a very bad day that I could hardly walk. Amazingly, woke
    up w/o
    any pain whatsoever! Amazing! Am feeling better now, will be seeing
    my accupunturist on Wednesday, osteopath on Thursday.

    It's a muscle issue mainly.

    _If_ it's a muscle thing I suspect an osteopath won't help much. When my
    back goes it's because two vertrebrae jam together, and it takes being
    tied in a knot and jumped on by an osteopath to unlock them again
    (which is magic - you walk in there in agony scarcely able to move, and
    you positively dance out). But one thing is that all these specialist
    practitioners know an awful lot more about the engineering of bodies
    than your average GP.

    When I had a very severe deep vein thrombosis, I went to my GP
    complaining of leg pain and he thought I'd probably pulled my hamstring
    a bit and I should just carry on and see what happened. A few days
    later it was still acutely painful so I went to see a (private)
    physiotherapist. She took one look and said 'go to hospital, go
    directly to hospital, do not pass go, do not collect £200'.
    Essentially, she said, I could have dropped dead any moment. I went
    directly to the hospital where they confirmed her diagnosis... and kept
    men in for four days. I've been on warfarin ever since, which is a
    bore.

    So - if you have a good osteopath, and it is muscular, then the
    osteopath may not be able to help but will at least be able to tell you
    what's wrong and who can.

    --
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    Small one casts it into flame
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  19. Vivian said:

    "Glm" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Thanks! I'm seeing an osteopath - but she decided to go on holiday right
    now!! Talk about timing!!

    I had a gruelling accupuncture session, where I went from "feeling ok,
    needles don't hurt" to "TAKE THEM OFF!!!" in a split of a second. That
    was
    on Tuesday, a very bad day that I could hardly walk. Amazingly, woke up
    w/o
    any pain whatsoever! Amazing! Am feeling better now, will be seeing my
    accupunturist on Wednesday, osteopath on Thursday.

    It's a muscle issue mainly.

    Thank you all for all your input. It's very encouraging. Very much
    appreciated!

    Vivian
    --
    Rich man's war, poor man's blood.

    Glad that you're feeling better. But, how do you know that 'it's a muscle
    issue mainly'? What about the 'non-main' part? 😉

    At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I still recommend that you
    see an orthopaedic surgeon. Alternative treatments are all very well, and
    I should be reluctant to tar everyone with the same brush, but most of
    these people lack the medical training necessary to make an informed
    diagnosis.

    Incidentally, many structural problems manifest themselves as 'muscle
    issues' - for example, muscle spasms are often caused by the body's
    attempt to protect a nerve impinged by a herniated disc.

    Am bowing out of this discussion now. Best of luck.

    Glm

  20. Vivian said:

    [snip]

    So, my question is, has any of you had any lower back problems. Is
    cycling
    really bad for it?

    [snip]

    Last time I had a spasm my friend sent me a few books on dealing with back
    pain. Here is what seems to be the most credible, 'Healing Back Pain
    Naturally' by Art Brownstein, M.D., has to say about cycling (forgive any
    typos, it's late in New York and I've had a good few ounces of Loire
    white, which is great for the spasms, by the way):

    "Riding a bicycle, either stationary or moving, helps to build up the
    muscles in your legs, which help to support your spine. The only problem
    with cycling is that it usually entails sitting in a bent-over position.
    Sitting by itself can increase the pressure on the discs, and bending
    forward is even harder on the back.

    "If you enjoy bicycling, however, either on a stationary or regular bike,
    then try to adjust your seat and handlebars to minimize the bent-over
    position of your spine. When you begin cycling after a back injury or
    strain, start with 5-10 minutes each day for 2 weeks, and then doubt the
    time if all is going well with your back. In the beginning it is better
    to skip a day to rest and stretch in between cycling days. Every 2 weeks
    you can add 5-10 more minutes until you've built up to 30-40 minutes.
    Remember to stretch your hamstrings every day that you cycle and
    concentrate on the gentle back-bending stretches described in Chapter Four
    to counter the forward bending and sitting of cycling."

    No rocket science, but the 'take it easy' philosophy seems to make sense.

    Glm

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