DfT 'cycle facility' consultation. Last Chance to respond!

[Howard]

Hi Folks,

You may recall that the DfT is doing some consultation regarding LTN
1/04 Policy, Planning and Design for Walking and Cycling and LTN 2/04
Adjacent and Shared Use Facilities for Pedestrians and Cyclists. See

http://tinyurl.com/5gn6m

The consultation period closes on 13th August, so if you wanted to
comment it needs to be done this week. For anyone interested my own
response is available at
http://www.thebikezone.org.uk/downloads/Cycle-WalkLTN.pdf

It is worth passing comment on 1/04 as it gives advice to local
authorities on the use of 'pinch points', the creation of road side
'cycle paths' and so on!

Regards,

Howard.

 

[burt]

Howard,

a masterful summation of all the arguments, congratulations and thank you
for posting. I will plagarise shamelessly!

Long time no see: how you doing? I think the last time I saw you was when
you produced a birthday cake at the CTC Rights Committee, some years ago.

cheers

Rich Burton

"Howard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Hi Folks,
>
> You may recall that the DfT is doing some consultation regarding LTN
> 1/04 Policy, Planning and Design for Walking and Cycling and LTN 2/04
> Adjacent and Shared Use Facilities for Pedestrians and Cyclists. See
>
> http://tinyurl.com/5gn6m
>
> The consultation period closes on 13th August, so if you wanted to
> comment it needs to be done this week. For anyone interested my own
> response is available at
> http://www.thebikezone.org.uk/downloads/Cycle-WalkLTN.pdf
>
> It is worth passing comment on 1/04 as it gives advice to local
> authorities on the use of 'pinch points', the creation of road side
> 'cycle paths' and so on!
>
> Regards,
>
> Howard.

 

[Howard]

"burt" <[email protected]> wrote in message

> Long time no see: how you doing? I think the last time I saw you was when
> you produced a birthday cake at the CTC Rights Committee, some years ago.
>
> cheers
>
> Rich Burton
>


Sorry,

Whoever that was, it wasn't me!

Howard.

 

[Colin McKenzie]

Howard wrote:

> It is worth passing comment on 1/04 as it gives advice to local
> authorities on the use of 'pinch points', the creation of road side
> 'cycle paths' and so on!

Interested in your comment about speed cushions on the approach to
pinch points rather than at them. Any particular reason?

I am scratching my head over what to do about a couple of 3m ones near
me. I probably won't be able to remove them because of pedestrians.
The road in question is 30 limit, slopes, and has frequent white van
traffic and some HGVs.

Colin McKenzie

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[Simon Brooke]

in message <[email protected]>, Colin
McKenzie ('[email protected]') wrote:

> Howard wrote:
>
>> It is worth passing comment on 1/04 as it gives advice to local
>> authorities on the use of 'pinch points', the creation of road side
>> 'cycle paths' and so on!
>
> Interested in your comment about speed cushions on the approach to
> pinch points rather than at them. Any particular reason?
>
> I am scratching my head over what to do about a couple of 3m ones near
> me. I probably won't be able to remove them because of pedestrians.
> The road in question is 30 limit, slopes, and has frequent white van
> traffic and some HGVs.

Chicanes with good strong bollards will stop the HGVs - unless they are
actually needed to make deliveries. And just putting really strong
bollards across the road at 2.4m centres will slow traffic down
wonderfully, particularly if you slightly stagger every second row.

Or get the gas company to dig random three metre by three metre by three
metre deep holes in the road and just forget to fill them in again.

--
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[Howard]

Colin McKenzie <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> Interested in your comment about speed cushions on the approach to
> pinch points rather than at them. Any particular reason?
>
> I am scratching my head over what to do about a couple of 3m ones near
> me. I probably won't be able to remove them because of pedestrians.
> The road in question is 30 limit, slopes, and has frequent white van
> traffic and some HGVs.
>
> Colin McKenzie

Hi Colin,

The idea of having speed cushions on the approach to a 'pinch point is
that the driver who waits behind a cyclist (as they should) is able to
'straddle' the cushion. The driver who attempts to overtake just
before the island and pull in front of the cyclist will have to run
over the centre of the cushion in order to do so, and so some drivers
may be deterred from attempting to overtake.

If a central island serves pedestrians why not replace it with a
proper pedestrian facility such as a 'Zebra' or signal controlled
crossing? These serve the needs of pedestrian much better than an
island which are used largely to stop pedestrians 'interrupting' the
traffic flow. The 'user' hierarchy recommenced by the DfT places the
needs of pedestrian above that of motor vehicle users so providing a
proper crossing facility is only in line with best practice.

You could try to request that 'Do not overtake cyclist at traffic
island' signs be put up along with a 1.25m cycle lane marked in green.
Drivers will still attempt to overtake but if one hits you such
markings would make it much easier to take action against them in
court.

See http://www.thebikezone.org.uk/thebikezone/campaigning/pinchpoints.html

Regards,

Howard.

 

[Andy Leighton]

On 11 Aug 2004 11:47:04 -0700, Howard <[email protected]> wrote:
> If a central island serves pedestrians why not replace it with a
> proper pedestrian facility such as a 'Zebra'

Near us we have a zebra with a central island on a single carriageway
road. 200 yards down the road is a lights crossing. 200 yards the
other way is a zebra with no island, 20 yards after that is a mini-
roundabout.

Nothing like consistency.

--
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