Endo again

"John Morgan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:yxdra.1636$qc5.614@fed1read06...

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If you have a suspension fork try compressing the fork hard just as you reach the bottom (I
know...scary) the resulting rebound will pop you

right

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up and out of the ditch.

Speaking of suspension forks, Dean, do you have the heavy springs in

yours?

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(Or if it's an air fork, do you have it set to the correct pressure?). I have a friend about your
weight that had problems with endos on his Psylo fork until he upgraded to the heavy springs.

-John Morgan

I have a Fox Vanilla 125 RLC fork. I have tried three different set of springs, both heavier, and
went back to the original blue springs. Looking at the dust on my sanctions after my endo they did
not bottom out.

Dean

"Dean A. Stepper" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:EKYqa.1503$pJ6.1072@fed1read05...

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Please some helpful suggestions.

A section of narrow twisty tight single track trail I ride allot by my

house

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is giving me problems. Last year my current problem area was a wop-de-do little ditch, this year
after the rains, it is a v-shaped ditch maybe

three

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feet across, maybe 18 inches deep. To be kind to myself; I am a 52 year

old

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Clydesdale with most of my weight (225lbs) in my torso. This problem

ditch

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is on a moderate downhill grade and I keeping going over the handle bars when my front tire hits
the other side. I keep my ass over the back tire and pull the front tire up when I get to the
bottom of the ditch....this

has

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not helped. I know past of the problem is going to slow but this section got me trippin. Short off
bunny hopping it at a high rate of speed any suggestions?

Dean Stepper Laguna Beach CA

Sounds like a nasty little sucker. The downhill slope on the trail makes it awkward to set yourself
up too. It sounds like you've got the right idea but the timing is off. Try pulling the front wheel
up BEFORE you get to the bottom. Probably as you reach the front lip of the ditch. That way back
wheel wheelies/rides unicycle-like into the 'V' for a few brief moments. The front wheel that's now
waving in the wind can be dropped back down on the far side or far lip as you move weight forward so
that back wheel doesn't hit that 'V' so hard. Simple, eh? I wouldn't be able to do it half the time
either... ;-)
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"Dean A. Stepper" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:EKYqa.1503$pJ6.1072@fed1read05...

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Please some helpful suggestions.

A section of narrow twisty tight single track trail I ride allot by my

house

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is giving me problems. Last year my current problem area was a wop-de-do little ditch, this year
after the rains, it is a v-shaped ditch maybe

three

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feet across, maybe 18 inches deep. To be kind to myself; I am a 52 year

old

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Clydesdale with most of my weight (225lbs) in my torso. This problem

ditch

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is on a moderate downhill grade and I keeping going over the handle bars when my front tire hits
the other side. I keep my ass over the back tire and pull the front tire up when I get to the
bottom of the ditch....this

has

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not helped. I know past of the problem is going to slow but this section got me trippin. Short off
bunny hopping it at a high rate of speed any suggestions?

Dean Stepper Laguna Beach CA

Sounds like a nasty little sucker. The downhill slope on the trail makes it awkward to set
yourself up too. It sounds like you've got the right idea but the timing is off. Try pulling the
front wheel up BEFORE you get to the bottom. Probably as you reach the front lip of the ditch.
That way back wheel wheelies/rides unicycle-like into the 'V' for a few brief moments. The front
wheel that's now waving in the wind can be dropped back down on the far side or far lip as you
move weight forward so that back wheel doesn't hit that 'V' so hard. Simple, eh? I wouldn't be
able to do it half the time either... ;-)

I've been thinking about this the last day or so, and normally I would propose your course of
action. Unfortunately, maintaining speed whilst doing this just isn't an option. Even if you try to
manual through it, your rear wheel will hit the upslope on the other side with some force and give
you the buckaroo effect. The speed you can safely carry out this manoeveur therefore, is inversely
proportional to the size of the ditch and the steepness of the upslope.

However, it's still quicker than rolling through it.

I still think that for something that's only three foot wide, just bunny hopping it is the
best option.

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Westie said:

"Dean A. Stepper" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Please some helpful suggestions.

A section of narrow twisty tight single track trail I ride allot by my

house

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is giving me problems. Last year my current problem area was a

wop-de-do

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little ditch, this year after the rains, it is a v-shaped ditch maybe

three

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feet across, maybe 18 inches deep. To be kind to myself; I am a 52 year

old

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Clydesdale with most of my weight (225lbs) in my torso. This problem

ditch

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is on a moderate downhill grade and I keeping going over the handle bars when my front tire hits
the other side. I keep my ass over the back

tire

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and pull the front tire up when I get to the bottom of the ditch....this

has

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not helped. I know past of the problem is going to slow but this

section

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got me trippin. Short off bunny hopping it at a high rate of speed any suggestions?

Dean Stepper Laguna Beach CA

Sounds like a nasty little sucker. The downhill slope on the trail

makes it

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awkward to set yourself up too. It sounds like you've got the right

idea

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but the timing is off. Try pulling the front wheel up BEFORE you get to

the

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bottom. Probably as you reach the front lip of the ditch. That way

back

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wheel wheelies/rides unicycle-like into the 'V' for a few brief moments. The front wheel that's
now waving in the wind can be dropped back down

on

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the far side or far lip as you move weight forward so that back wheel doesn't hit that 'V' so
hard. Simple, eh? I wouldn't be able to do it

half

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the time either... ;-)

I've been thinking about this the last day or so, and normally I would propose your course of
action. Unfortunately, maintaining speed whilst doing this just isn't an option. Even if you try
to manual through it, your rear wheel will hit the upslope on the other side with some force and
give you the buckaroo effect. The speed you can safely carry out this manoeveur therefore, is
inversely proportional to the size of the ditch and the steepness of the upslope.

However, it's still quicker than rolling through it.

I still think that for something that's only three foot wide, just bunny hopping it is the
best option.

Yes, good point, bunny-hopping seems to be the best option. After-all, the whole problem seems to be
how to get through it with some speed rather than just rolling through it.
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"bomba" <[email hidden]> wrote

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I still think that for something that's only three foot wide, just bunny hopping it is the best
option.

Yes, good point, bunny-hopping seems to be the best option. After-all, the whole problem seems to
be how to get through it with some speed rather than just rolling through it.

I was thinking the same thing, but hesitate to give that advice without knowing a bit more about the
rider's ability. For example, I know that bunny hopping would be the techniqueI'd recommend to many
of my friends who are braver than they are smart (a handy condition if you like riding MTBs), but
not to others who might be tempted to try a bunny hop that would end in disaster (either due to bad
timing, lack of skill, or chickening out at the last minute).

Clearing a 3' (1m) obstacle with a bunny hop seems simple enough - lay two ribbons on the ground
3' apart, and you'll clear 'em every time. But by the same token, it should be as easy to ride
some of those insane bridges in the BC woods as to ride the length of a similar sized board laying
on the ground.

In the end, I guess all I'm saying is that each of us has to find our own comfortable level of
stupidity and embrace it. ;-)

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In the end, I guess all I'm saying is that each of us has to find our own comfortable level of
stupidity and embrace it. ;-)

Hehehe...It would appear that my stupidity knows no bounds. ;^)

Mike

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Westie said:

"bomba" <[email hidden]> wrote

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I still think that for something that's only three foot wide, just

bunny

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hopping it is the best option.

Yes, good point, bunny-hopping seems to be the best option. After-all, the whole problem seems to
be how to get through it with some speed rather than just rolling through it.

I was thinking the same thing, but hesitate to give that advice without knowing a bit more about
the rider's ability. For example, I know that bunny hopping would be the techniqueI'd recommend to
many of my friends who are braver than they are smart (a handy condition if you like riding MTBs),
but not to others who might be tempted to try a bunny hop that would end in disaster (either due
to bad timing, lack of skill, or chickening out at the last minute).

Clearing a 3' (1m) obstacle with a bunny hop seems simple enough - lay two ribbons on the ground
3' apart, and you'll clear 'em every time. But by the same token, it should be as easy to ride
some of those insane bridges in the BC woods as to ride the length of a similar sized board laying
on the ground.

In the end, I guess all I'm saying is that each of us has to find our own comfortable level of
stupidity and embrace it. ;-)

Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles habcycles.comhabcycles.comOpen ↗ Home of the $695 ti frame

Mark Hickey of Habanero Cycles wrote:

Each us has to find our own comfortable level of stupidity and embrace it. ;-)

and I got a great laugh - thanks Mark or is that ROTFLMAO
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I've spent most of my money on mountainbiking and windsurfing. The rest I've just wasted.

On Sun, 27 Apr 2003 22:35:36 GMT, Jonathan Bond <[email hidden]> wrote:
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Try actually pushing the bike down into the dip when you get to the edge
- load up the front of the bike with your arms and body, then as soon as you start getting near the
bottom, suck that wheel back up and throw your weight backwards. As you come out of the ditch,
push the front of the bike away from you more and down, and let your legs come up. Its almost
like a bunnyhop, except you stay on the ground. You have to be going at a bit of a clip to do
this right, but start slow till you get more comfortable.

Jon Bond

There are many ways to clean this. Commander has given you a good one. I'll try a do him one better.

Here's what I would recommend (please consider the source)

Slow, slow, slow. I see a lot of bikers use speed on sections like this, but it's not a race and
with little skills besides speed they inevitably fail. There's a great section similar to this but
wider and deeper where I ride. I did a RR about it some time ago. I endo'd because I tried to change
my line after I started down....amoung other reasons...anyway that's not important now.

With a slow speed, good weight control, and good balance you can clean this puppy easy.

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Dean A. Stepper wrote: it is a v-shaped ditch maybe three feet across, maybe 18 inches deep.

1. slow
2. seat low @ss back (should feel like you're pushing the bike in front of you.
3. when front wheel is about at other side turn it left or right to avoid hitting the other
side head on.
4. Balance (remember you're going slow)
5. pull up on the front and apply moderate pedal pressure (don't spin the rear be especially careful
is the bottom has water)
6. pedal up the opposite bank.

Another solution that can be done slow but requires more technical skills is a wheel drop or
wheelie drop.

Ride a wheelie down the slope, by the time you hit the other bank your front wheel will be half way
up already. continue with number 5 of previous method.

I've used both these methods and both work (for me).

Peace, Bill The mind serves properly as a window glass rather than as a reflector, that is, the mind
should give an immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
:-]

On Mon, 28 Apr 2003 15:14:35 GMT, Mark Hickey <[email hidden]> wrote:

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I'd suggest just walking the ditch (or perhaps finding a 12" log to drop into it).

Jeeezus Fecking Kriste!

Please remove log and rap Mark in the head with it after you're done. ;-)

Don't sanitize the trails. Please walk around or get stitches like Mark.

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Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles habcycles.comhabcycles.comOpen ↗ Home of the $695 ti frame

What is the world coming to? Bill The mind serves properly as a window glass rather than as a
reflector, that is, the mind should give an immediate view instead of an interpretation of
the world.
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Best method would be to try and manual it. As you approch the dip move your weight backwards and
lift the front wheel, aiming to plant it down after the
dip. The rear wheel will follow through ok. Get this technique right and you will find you use it
all the time.

Steve E.

Yes, ....but this technique requires practice, practice, practice...but I concur.

Peace, Bill The mind serves properly as a window glass rather than as a reflector, that is, the mind
should give an immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
:-]

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However, it's still quicker than rolling through it.

What's with the quicker, it's not about speed.

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I still think that for something that's only three foot wide, just bunny hopping it is the
best option.

Have a heart he's over 50, you young punk.....I mean that in a nice way.

Peace, Bill The mind serves properly as a window glass rather than as a reflector, that is, the mind
should give an immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
:-]

Mark Hickey said:

In the end, I guess all I'm saying is that each of us has to find our own comfortable level of
stupidity and embrace it. ;-)

Nicely put. Bill

The mind serves properly as a window glass rather than as a reflector, that is, the mind should give
an immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
:-]

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Mark Hickey said:

In the end, I guess all I'm saying is that each of us has to find our own comfortable level of
stupidity and embrace it. ;-)

Nicely put. Bill

ditto. well put. <grin>
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Bill Wheeler said:

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However, it's still quicker than rolling through it.

What's with the quicker, it's not about speed.

Said like a real old man ;p

If you're on a dh stretch, the last thing you want to do is come to a small obstacle and have
to slow down to less than a walking pace. It's not about speed, just about maintaining flow
and momentum.

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I still think that for something that's only three foot wide, just bunny hopping it is the
best option.

Have a heart he's over 50, you young punk.....I mean that in a nice way.

I know, but he's got twice as much experience as me! At the end of the day, it's still only three
foot - one pace is three foot. And I mean that in a nice way 🙂

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