Guns On Bikes???

or don't buy a gun in the first place

"Bubba@FL" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Why in the world would you need to carry a gun while riding a bike? If it

is

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truly that bad where you ride, I'd suggest another route. I live in

Florida

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and also possess a CCW but would never consider carrying a gun on my bike. While the laws vary
from state to state as to where a gun may be carried

or

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how it may be transported, most agree on one thing. The use of "deadly force" MAY be allowed in a
situation where there is absolutely no other option. This means if you are able to run away or
otherwise avoid a

conflict

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you ARE NOT justified to use deadly force. Depending upon the state you're in, these conditions
may not apply if you are in your home. In Florida,

for

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example, a law known as the Castle Doctrine says you MAY have the right to use deadly force,
without withdrawling, within your home should you

believe

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yourself or your family is in iminant danger. Notice that I capitolized

the

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words MAY. This is because, should you shoot someone, whether or not you were justified to use
deadly force will most likely be decided by a jury. Anytime you use a gun, even if you just point
it at someone, it becomes a very serious situation and you will be held accountable for your
actions.

If

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you do have a CCW in the state you're in, you should know it is your responsibility, and no one
elses, to know and understand all the laws governing it. So please, be a responsible gun owner, be
wise, and leave

the

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gun at home when you're out riding. Take care - BUBBA

Thanks BUBBA. I'll take care of myself while armed with a concealed pistol on my bike. You take care
of yourself however you wish. Your opinions are - hit the dictionary now - anile. I'm sure your
opinions are heartfelt like all opinions are. The only value in opinion is from the investment in
them and their expression. It appears that your investment is slim - depauperate and intellectually
impoverished.

I trust that this isn't the Pampering Baron of Florida.

"Bubba@FL" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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| Why in the world would you need to carry a gun while riding a bike? If it
is
| truly that bad where you ride, I'd suggest another route. I live in
Florida
| and also possess a CCW but would never consider carrying a gun on my bike. While the laws vary
| from state to state as to where a gun may be carried
or
| how it may be transported, most agree on one thing. The use of "deadly force" MAY be allowed in a
| situation where there is absolutely no other option. This means if you are able to run away or
| otherwise avoid a
conflict
| you ARE NOT justified to use deadly force. Depending upon the state you're in, these conditions
| may not apply if you are in your home. In Florida,
for
| example, a law known as the Castle Doctrine says you MAY have the right to use deadly force,
| without withdrawling, within your home should you
believe
| yourself or your family is in iminant danger. Notice that I capitolized
the
| words MAY. This is because, should you shoot someone, whether or not you were justified to use
| deadly force will most likely be decided by a jury. Anytime you use a gun, even if you just point
| it at someone, it becomes a very serious situation and you will be held accountable for your
| actions.
If
| you do have a CCW in the state you're in, you should know it is your responsibility, and no one
| elses, to know and understand all the laws governing it. So please, be a responsible gun owner, be
| wise, and leave
the
| gun at home when you're out riding. Take care - BUBBA
|
|
|

On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 01:05:45 GMT, "Bubba@FL"
<[email hidden]> mumbled incoherently:

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Why in the world would you need to carry a gun while riding a bike?

Because some of us want to. I carry mine in a [censored] pack. It does not take up much room and
it has a mag frame so it's light. Mind your own business.

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"Bubba@FL" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Why in the world would you need to carry a gun while riding a bike?

Maybe he had trouble getting a fish?

OOOUCH! How does one get so paranoid? Not enough hugs as a child, maybe. You see, Doug, those of us
that do not suffer from from low self-esteem do not feel the need to carry guns everywhere we go,
nor do we need to try and use elaborated words to make ourselves feel important. So please forgive
me for not being able to relate to your reasoning. By the way, depauperate refers to a state of
impoverishment. Therefore, your statement is redundant. Do try better - BUBBA

Doug Huffman <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Thanks BUBBA. I'll take care of myself while armed with a concealed

pistol

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on my bike. You take care of yourself however you wish. Your opinions are - hit the dictionary now
- anile. I'm sure your opinions are

heartfelt

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like all opinions are. The only value in opinion is from the investment

in

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them and their expression. It appears that your investment is slim - depauperate and
intellectually impoverished.

I trust that this isn't the Pampering Baron of Florida.

"Bubba@FL" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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| Why in the world would you need to carry a gun while riding a bike? If

it

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is
| truly that bad where you ride, I'd suggest another route. I live in
Florida
| and also possess a CCW but would never consider carrying a gun on my

bike.

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| While the laws vary from state to state as to where a gun may be carried
or
| how it may be transported, most agree on one thing. The use of "deadly force" MAY be allowed in
| a situation where there is absolutely no other option. This means if you are able to run away or
| otherwise avoid a
conflict
| you ARE NOT justified to use deadly force. Depending upon the state

you're

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| in, these conditions may not apply if you are in your home. In Florida,
for
| example, a law known as the Castle Doctrine says you MAY have the right

to

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| use deadly force, without withdrawling, within your home should you
believe
| yourself or your family is in iminant danger. Notice that I capitolized
the
| words MAY. This is because, should you shoot someone, whether or not you were justified to use
| deadly force will most likely be decided by a

jury.

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| Anytime you use a gun, even if you just point it at someone, it becomes

a

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| very serious situation and you will be held accountable for your

actions.

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If
| you do have a CCW in the state you're in, you should know it is your responsibility, and no one
| elses, to know and understand all the laws governing it. So please, be a responsible gun owner,
| be wise, and leave
the
| gun at home when you're out riding. Take care - BUBBA
|
|
|

You have to consider where and when you ride. I thought about it when I lived outside of Miami.
There may be a few places where this is necessary. Some people just carry them for insurance. I
guess lugging around a few pounds of steel your whole life for the off chance you will get in a
situation where a gun gets you out of trouble (more than the chance it gets you into more trouble)
is worth it to some people. Other than that, some people just like carrying a gun around.

It is somewhat like the roads versus paths argument, where some say either is totally idiotic. It
depends on the cyclist, road, the path, the traffic on the road or path, the time of day,
head/tailwinds, your mood, etc. I ride to and from work where a path and road are roughly parallel.
I take all different combinations.

"Bubba@FL" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Why in the world would you need to carry a gun while riding a bike? If it

is

Quoted message said:

truly that bad where you ride, I'd suggest another route. I live in

Florida

Quoted message said:

and also possess a CCW but would never consider carrying a gun on my bike. While the laws vary
from state to state as to where a gun may be carried

or

Quoted message said:

how it may be transported, most agree on one thing. The use of "deadly force" MAY be allowed in a
situation where there is absolutely no other option. This means if you are able to run away or
otherwise avoid a

conflict

Quoted message said:

you ARE NOT justified to use deadly force. Depending upon the state you're in, these conditions
may not apply if you are in your home. In Florida,

for

Quoted message said:

example, a law known as the Castle Doctrine says you MAY have the right to use deadly force,
without withdrawling, within your home should you

believe

Quoted message said:

yourself or your family is in iminant danger. Notice that I capitolized

the

Quoted message said:

words MAY. This is because, should you shoot someone, whether or not you were justified to use
deadly force will most likely be decided by a jury. Anytime you use a gun, even if you just point
it at someone, it becomes a very serious situation and you will be held accountable for your
actions.

If

Quoted message said:

you do have a CCW in the state you're in, you should know it is your responsibility, and no one
elses, to know and understand all the laws governing it. So please, be a responsible gun owner, be
wise, and leave

the

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gun at home when you're out riding. Take care - BUBBA

Let me guess, you got anile and depauperate from your "NRA thesaurus of arcane insults"? I guess
they didn't offer advice that metaphors work best singly - slim, depauperate and impoverished?

"Doug Huffman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:hp-dnRx0F-2nB6HdRVn-
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Thanks BUBBA. I'll take care of myself while armed with a concealed

pistol

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on my bike. You take care of yourself however you wish. Your opinions are - hit the dictionary now
- anile. I'm sure your opinions are

heartfelt

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like all opinions are. The only value in opinion is from the investment

in

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them and their expression. It appears that your investment is slim - depauperate and
intellectually impoverished.

I trust that this isn't the Pampering Baron of Florida.

"Bubba@FL" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
"]news:[email hidden]...
| Why in the world would you need to carry a gun while riding a bike? If

it

Quoted message said:

is
| truly that bad where you ride, I'd suggest another route. I live in
Florida
| and also possess a CCW but would never consider carrying a gun on my

bike.

Quoted message said:

| While the laws vary from state to state as to where a gun may be carried
or
| how it may be transported, most agree on one thing. The use of "deadly force" MAY be allowed in
| a situation where there is absolutely no other option. This means if you are able to run away or
| otherwise avoid a
conflict
| you ARE NOT justified to use deadly force. Depending upon the state

you're

Quoted message said:

| in, these conditions may not apply if you are in your home. In Florida,
for
| example, a law known as the Castle Doctrine says you MAY have the right

to

Quoted message said:

| use deadly force, without withdrawling, within your home should you
believe
| yourself or your family is in iminant danger. Notice that I capitolized
the
| words MAY. This is because, should you shoot someone, whether or not you were justified to use
| deadly force will most likely be decided by a

jury.

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| Anytime you use a gun, even if you just point it at someone, it becomes

a

Quoted message said:

| very serious situation and you will be held accountable for your

actions.

Quoted message said:

If
| you do have a CCW in the state you're in, you should know it is your responsibility, and no one
| elses, to know and understand all the laws governing it. So please, be a responsible gun owner,
| be wise, and leave
the
| gun at home when you're out riding. Take care - BUBBA
|
|
|

So your dictionary didn't include 'anile'? Or you went to your pop-psychology textbook? Lets ride,
you leave the philosophizing to me.

"Bubba@FL" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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| OOOUCH! How does one get so paranoid? Not enough hugs as a child, maybe. You see, Doug, those of
| us that do not suffer from from low self-esteem do not feel the need to carry guns everywhere we
| go, nor do we need to try
and
| use elaborated words to make ourselves feel important. So please forgive
me
| for not being able to relate to your reasoning. By the way, depauperate refers to a state of
| impoverishment. Therefore,
your
| statement is redundant. Do try better - BUBBA
|
| Doug Huffman <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:hp-dnRx0F-2nB6HdRVn-
| [email hidden]...
| > Thanks BUBBA. I'll take care of myself while armed with a concealed
| pistol
| > on my bike. You take care of yourself however you wish. Your opinions are - hit the dictionary
| > now - anile. I'm sure your opinions are
| heartfelt
| > like all opinions are. The only value in opinion is from the investment
| in
| > them and their expression. It appears that your investment is slim - depauperate and
| > intellectually impoverished.
| >
| > I trust that this isn't the Pampering Baron of Florida.
| >
| >
| > "Bubba@FL" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
| > "]news:[email hidden]...
| > | Why in the world would you need to carry a gun while riding a bike? If
| it
| > is
| > | truly that bad where you ride, I'd suggest another route. I live in
| > Florida
| > | and also possess a CCW but would never consider carrying a gun on my
| bike.
| > | While the laws vary from state to state as to where a gun may be
carried
| > or
| > | how it may be transported, most agree on one thing. The use of "deadly force" MAY be allowed
| > | in a situation where there is absolutely no
other
| > | option. This means if you are able to run away or otherwise avoid a
| > conflict
| > | you ARE NOT justified to use deadly force. Depending upon the state
| you're
| > | in, these conditions may not apply if you are in your home. In
Florida,
| > for
| > | example, a law known as the Castle Doctrine says you MAY have the
right
| to
| > | use deadly force, without withdrawling, within your home should you
| > believe
| > | yourself or your family is in iminant danger. Notice that I
capitolized
| > the
| > | words MAY. This is because, should you shoot someone, whether or not
you
| > | were justified to use deadly force will most likely be decided by a
| jury.
| > | Anytime you use a gun, even if you just point it at someone, it
becomes
| a
| > | very serious situation and you will be held accountable for your
| actions.
| > If
| > | you do have a CCW in the state you're in, you should know it is your responsibility, and no
| > | one elses, to know and understand all the laws governing it. So please, be a responsible gun
| > | owner, be wise, and
leave
| > the
| > | gun at home when you're out riding. Take care - BUBBA
| > |
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
| >
|
|

Oooh! the old "pop psychology" comeback. That's about as original as platform shoes. I'm just
wondering when we get to the part where you say "If people like you ran America, we would be
speaking (German, Russian, Arabic, etc.) right now".

As if carrying around a concealed handgun is a purely logical thing, with no emotional factors at
all. I feel and act different when I drive the big diesel work truck versus my lay back and be
friendly recumbent bike. I feel different when I'm carrying a gun. At first it is kind of exciting
and comforting, but after a while, either creeps me out. Maybe after a long while you pretty much
forget about it - rather like the shotgun in my closet.

Here's where the guns on bikes thing didn't work: Truck driver yells at cyclist to get off road (you
can bet that was true) cyclist flips off trucker (would he if he wasn't carrying?). Trucker drives
towards cyclist, who pulls piece and tries to play Barney Fife - pretty stupid since the charges
reflect he was carrying illegally. Cyclist wounds driver - who then rams cyclist (He could have
probably killed him and gotten away with it). Cyclist arrested for murder 2.

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Not that legal concealed carry is a big issue, but the I've got a gun - I'm not going to take that
[censored] is a valid facet. you know, like westerns where everyone was packing so every slight turns
into a duel.

It reminds me of the video where a Moron purposefully has a fender bender with a neighbor who likes
pull out the wrong way down a road Y in front of his house so he can save a half minute or so.
Moron's wife is videoing the whole thing (can you say premeditated?) His stupidity is further proven
by his openly approaching his neighbor's truck with his gun out. His neighbor slides out the other
side with his 357, using his big truck as cover. The guy completely validates his stupidity by
standing there and having a "quick draw" contest with a guy who already has cover and the drop on
him. The video ends with Moron's wife screaming "He's down, stop shooting him!" while Neighbor
methodically puts the last of three bullets in his now kneeling body. I just hope he didn't have
kids - for their and the gene pool's sake.

"Doug Huffman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:LPWdnS2BQrW34KDdRVn-
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So your dictionary didn't include 'anile'? Or you went to your pop-psychology textbook? Lets ride,
you leave the philosophizing to me.

"Bubba@FL" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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| OOOUCH! How does one get so paranoid? Not enough hugs as a child,

maybe.

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| You see, Doug, those of us that do not suffer from from low self-esteem

do

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| not feel the need to carry guns everywhere we go, nor do we need to try
and
| use elaborated words to make ourselves feel important. So please forgive
me
| for not being able to relate to your reasoning. By the way, depauperate refers to a state of
| impoverishment. Therefore,
your
| statement is redundant. Do try better - BUBBA
|
| Doug Huffman <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:hp-dnRx0F-2nB6HdRVn-
| [email hidden]...
| > Thanks BUBBA. I'll take care of myself while armed with a concealed
| pistol
| > on my bike. You take care of yourself however you wish. Your

opinions

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| > are - hit the dictionary now - anile. I'm sure your opinions are
| heartfelt
| > like all opinions are. The only value in opinion is from the

investment

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| in
| > them and their expression. It appears that your investment is slim - depauperate and
| > intellectually impoverished.
| >
| > I trust that this isn't the Pampering Baron of Florida.
| >
| >
| > "Bubba@FL" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
| > "]news:[email hidden]...
| > | Why in the world would you need to carry a gun while riding a bike?

If

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| it
| > is
| > | truly that bad where you ride, I'd suggest another route. I live in
| > Florida
| > | and also possess a CCW but would never consider carrying a gun on my
| bike.
| > | While the laws vary from state to state as to where a gun may be
carried
| > or
| > | how it may be transported, most agree on one thing. The use of

"deadly

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| > | force" MAY be allowed in a situation where there is absolutely no
other
| > | option. This means if you are able to run away or otherwise avoid a
| > conflict
| > | you ARE NOT justified to use deadly force. Depending upon the state
| you're
| > | in, these conditions may not apply if you are in your home. In
Florida,
| > for
| > | example, a law known as the Castle Doctrine says you MAY have the
right
| to
| > | use deadly force, without withdrawling, within your home should you
| > believe
| > | yourself or your family is in iminant danger. Notice that I
capitolized
| > the
| > | words MAY. This is because, should you shoot someone, whether or not
you
| > | were justified to use deadly force will most likely be decided by a
| jury.
| > | Anytime you use a gun, even if you just point it at someone, it
becomes
| a
| > | very serious situation and you will be held accountable for your
| actions.
| > If
| > | you do have a CCW in the state you're in, you should know it is your responsibility, and no
| > | one elses, to know and understand all the

laws

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| > | governing it. So please, be a responsible gun owner, be wise, and
leave
| > the
| > | gun at home when you're out riding. Take care - BUBBA
| > |
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
| >
|
|

I've often thought about carry a gun while riding. Not a real one, a replica or realistic looking
toy one. Carried in plain sight.

I wouldn't draw it naturally, just wear in on my back or strapped to my waist. Now how many yahoos
are going to delibrately buzz me or throw garbage at me, seeing what they think is an Uzi?

Chris Law Greater Newark, DE

Every LEO will 'buzz' you or dump on you. It is a crime called 'pointing', 'brandishing' or
'presenting' in all but open carry states. And you took care of that with a sub-machine gun
look-alike.

If'n you're gonna pack heat then it better be real enough a 'packin' that you know what you're
doin'. Either run with the big dogs or stay on the porch.

"Christopher R. Law" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040228095518.22698.00000587@mb-
m10.aol.com...
| I've often thought about carry a gun while riding. Not a real one, a
replica or
| realistic looking toy one. Carried in plain sight.
|
| I wouldn't draw it naturally, just wear in on my back or strapped to my
waist.
| Now how many yahoos are going to delibrately buzz me or throw garbage at
me,
| seeing what they think is an Uzi?
|
| Chris Law Greater Newark, DE

Not 'simply carrying' but openly carrying. In my state, if my legally concealed weapon 'prints'
through my jacket then I am liable to a charge of 'brandishing.' Remember too that it is a charge
and only proven by a trier of fact - a judge/jury.

There is quite some comment on the 'net now about 'it isn't the crime but the 'seriousness' of the
charge'. This in the day of PC. I hate PC.

"Christopher R. Law" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040228235457.20206.00000683@mb-
m27.aol.com...
| >Every LEO will 'buzz' you or dump on you. It is a crime called
'pointing',
| >'brandishing' or 'presenting' in all but open carry states. And you took care of that with a sub-
| >machine gun look-alike.
|
| Naturally, I would only do what the law allows. I grew up in Vermont where
back
| window gunracks seemed to be standard equipment on most pickups. Even
tractors
| had carriers (for the odd woodchuck).
|
| I wasn't aware that simply carrying - just carrying, not pointing or threatening with, a toy gun
| would also fall under the brandishing rule.
Guess
| us kids in Vermont broke that law every day. Heck we even pointed them at
each
| other and went "bang, bang." Whats that now, the death penalty?
|
| Bought my first (and only) .22 at the Ben Franklin's 5 and 10 cent store.
No ID
| and they didn't even ask me my age.
|
| Chris Law Greater Newark, DE

"Christopher R. Law" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Every LEO will 'buzz' you or dump on you. It is a crime called

'pointing',

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'brandishing' or 'presenting' in all but open carry states. And you took care of that with a sub-
machine gun look-alike.

Naturally, I would only do what the law allows. I grew up in Vermont where

back

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window gunracks seemed to be standard equipment on most pickups. Even

tractors

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had carriers (for the odd woodchuck).

I wasn't aware that simply carrying - just carrying, not pointing or threatening with, a toy gun
would also fall under the brandishing rule.

Guess

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us kids in Vermont broke that law every day. Heck we even pointed them at

each

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other and went "bang, bang." Whats that now, the death penalty?

There's a story I like to tell about this: A couple of summers ago, a few of the neighborhood teens
had taken it into their heads to spraypaint squirtguns black. From more than 5' away, they looked
just like a .45 pistol. I cornered them one afternoon, and told them exactly what would happen "One
of the crazy old ladies on the street will see you with that thing, and call the cops. They'll get a
report of "A tall black kid walking down the stret with a weapon." So they're going to be on edge
already. When they pull up, you'll be lucky not to get shot if you turn around wrong."

So I confiscated the 'guns' and the can of paint. 'If you want it back, tell your parent(s) to come
get it' (None ever did)

A week or so later, one of the kids that wasn't there had exactly that happen. Someone saw him,
called it in, big hoohaa with the cops.

I don't remember the charge, but he was found guilty and placed on house arrest all sumer.

Pete

Good cautionary story.

IF you're gong to arm yourself then do it responsibly. If you're going to ride a bicycle then do it
responsibly. If you're going to opine publicly then do it responsibly.

"Pete" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
|
| "Christopher R. Law" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:20040228235457.20206.00000683@mb-
| m27.aol.com...
| > >Every LEO will 'buzz' you or dump on you. It is a crime called
| 'pointing',
| > >'brandishing' or 'presenting' in all but open carry states. And you
took
| > >care of that with a sub-machine gun look-alike.
| >
| > Naturally, I would only do what the law allows. I grew up in Vermont
where
| back
| > window gunracks seemed to be standard equipment on most pickups. Even
| tractors
| > had carriers (for the odd woodchuck).
| >
| > I wasn't aware that simply carrying - just carrying, not pointing or threatening with, a toy gun
| > would also fall under the brandishing rule.
| Guess
| > us kids in Vermont broke that law every day. Heck we even pointed them
at
| each
| > other and went "bang, bang." Whats that now, the death penalty?
|
| There's a story I like to tell about this: A couple of summers ago, a few of the neighborhood
| teens had taken it into their heads to spraypaint squirtguns black. From more than 5' away, they
| looked just like a .45 pistol. I cornered them one afternoon, and told them exactly what would
| happen "One of the crazy old ladies on the street will see you with that thing,
and
| call the cops. They'll get a report of "A tall black kid walking down the stret with a weapon." So
| they're going to be on edge already. When they pull up, you'll be lucky not to get shot if you
| turn around wrong."
|
| So I confiscated the 'guns' and the can of paint. 'If you want it back,
tell
| your parent(s) to come get it' (None ever did)
|
| A week or so later, one of the kids that wasn't there had exactly that happen. Someone saw him,
| called it in, big hoohaa with the cops.
|
| I don't remember the charge, but he was found guilty and placed on house arrest all sumer.
|
| Pete
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Speaking as a driver, I wouldn't hesitate to run over and crush to death any bicyclist who
brandished a gun at me. I'd even turn around and come back in order to do it, too.

Of course, if you people would show a bit of courtesy and consideration for others when you ride,
rather than provoking motorists by riding where you have no business riding, "taking the lane," and
generally getting underfoot, the matter would never come up to begin with.

Geoff

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On 29 Feb 2004 16:12:03 -0800, [email hidden] (Geoff Miller)
mumbled incoherently:

Quoted message said:

Speaking as a driver, I wouldn't hesitate to run over and crush to death any bicyclist who
brandished a gun at me. I'd even turn around and come back in order to do it, too.

Not a very good idea. I shoot "Master" and my rounds travel a lot faster than your car.
Don't make threats you can't enforce.

Quoted message said:

Of course, if you people would show a bit of courtesy and consideration for others when you ride,
rather than provoking motorists by riding where you have no business riding, "taking the lane," and
generally getting underfoot, the matter would never come up to begin with.

I have seen a lot more motorists than drivers with a lack of consideration for others.
Cyclists don't run motorists off the roadway, it's the other way around. If we get in your
way, too bad. We have a right to the roadway too.

Cordially,

Ken (NY) Chairman, Department Of Redundancy Department
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Quoted message said:

Speaking as a driver, I wouldn't hesitate to run over and crush to death any bicyclist who
brandished a gun at me. I'd even turn around and come back in order to do it, too.

Of course, if you people would show a bit of courtesy and consideration for others when you ride,
rather than provoking motorists by riding where you have no business riding, "taking the lane,"
and generally getting underfoot, the matter would never come up to begin with.

Speaking as a human being, I think you're an [censored].

Pete

Ken [NY) <[email hidden]> blusters:

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Not a very good idea. I shoot "Master" and my rounds travel a lot faster than your car.

It's doubtful at best that you'd shoot "master" at a moving target that was jinking as it
approached, with adrenaline pumping through your body.

Your entrails would end up strewn across the hot, filthy asphalt. And then, for the final indignity,
I'd stop, jerk your Spandex down around your knobby little knees, and screw the barrel of your gun
into what was left of your ass. Punk.

I've long entertained a theory that in private moments, you spokeheads employ your tire pumps for
anal self- gratification. Confirm/deny?

Quoted message said:

Don't make threats you can't enforce.

I don't make "threats," Bubba. I make promises.

Quoted message said:

I have seen a lot more motorists than drivers with a lack of consideration for others.

Of course you do. You see what you want to see, and believing that motorists are more inconsiderate
than cyclists dovetails tidily with your agenda and world- view, doesn't it?

Quoted message said:

Cyclists don't run motorists off the roadway, it's the other way around.

You're glossing over the part about what cyclists do to _deserve_ being run off the road.

Quoted message said:

If we get in your way, too bad. We have a right to the roadway too.

Spoken like a mature, responsible citizen of the ol' commonweal. That attitude is precisely why
motorists have come to despise bicyclists.

Geoff

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line.'" -- Ann Coulter

2 Mar 2004 07:43:55 -0800, <[email hidden]>,

(Geoff Miller) said:

I don't make "threats," Bubba. I make promises.

hehehehehe!

Go tinkle, [censored].