HAC4 Problems

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When I got home, in order to ensure that the software worked I did a
download. So I am again back at square one since I started into
problems. As soon as I finished the download from the head unit to my
PC the HACTronic software hung. So, I lost the data, but a bigger
issue is the hang. I went out to the Veltec website and followed the
link to the downloadable stuff. I unistalled all of the older
versions (1.5 build 40) and installed v1.51 build 50 I also unstalled
the drivers and downloaded and reinstalled the "newer" drivers from
the download site, to no avail. It now hangs up with Trainer, Tour
and HACTronic. I am running XP.

Paul: Are you using the serial interface for downloading, or the newer USB?
The reason I ask is because you mentioned newer "drivers" and, as far as I
know, there are no "drivers" involved with serial-port operation.

And when you say the software "hung", what did it take to recover? Were you
able to safely kill the application from the control-alt-delete (task
manager) box?

I use the HAC-4 with Windows XP, using a serial port, and have had no
downloading issues or software hangs... at least not yet! And my computer
is so loaded with software & drivers dating all the way back to Win 3.1 that
it's amazing anything works.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
http://www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

"Paul Hartigan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I need some big time help with my HAC4. I got it back in early Feb
and had nothing but problems. First it was the software (returned it
to Veltec for a new set), then the head unit read 168 degrees F, then
on the next head unit the stopwatch button did not work. I am on my
third head unit and I just went out for my first ride with everything
reconnected and what I thought was working.

When I got home, in order to ensure that the software worked I did a
download. So I am again back at square one since I started into
problems. As soon as I finished the download from the head unit to my
PC the HACTronic software hung. So, I lost the data, but a bigger
issue is the hang. I went out to the Veltec website and followed the
link to the downloadable stuff. I unistalled all of the older
versions (1.5 build 40) and installed v1.51 build 50 I also unstalled
the drivers and downloaded and reinstalled the "newer" drivers from
the download site, to no avail. It now hangs up with Trainer, Tour
and HACTronic. I am running XP.

Can anybody help me???

Thanks,

Paul

"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I use the HAC-4 with Windows XP, using a serial port, and have had no

downloading issues or software hangs... at least not yet! And my computer
is so loaded with software & drivers dating all the way back to Win 3.1

that

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it's amazing anything works.

Let me make sure that I am reading this correctly. You are running XP on a
computer that originally shipped with Windows 3.1? Or you running
applications designed in the Win 3.1 era on an XP machine?

Bomb

On Mon, 24 May 2004 07:09:15 -0700, "RWM" <[email hidden]> may

have said:

"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> I use the HAC-4 with Windows XP, using a serial port, and have had no

downloading issues or software hangs... at least not yet! And my computer
is so loaded with software & drivers dating all the way back to Win 3.1

that

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it's amazing anything works.

Let me make sure that I am reading this correctly. You are running XP on a
computer that originally shipped with Windows 3.1? Or you running
applications designed in the Win 3.1 era on an XP machine?

I think he's implying that his serial migrations along the way have
not been accomplished by system replacement that involved package
reinstallation and data file restoration, but rather by complete disk
contents preservation at each upgrade. I have seen systems like that,
which have Win3.x legacy stuff lurking on them despite the absence of
whatever the file used to support. There is a system on the house
network here which is among them. It's more amusing to discover such
anachronisms on an XP system, of course, since 3.x-native code won't
run there.

--
My email address is antispammed; pull WEEDS if replying via e-mail.
Typoes are not a bug, they're a feature.
Words processed in a facility that contains nuts.

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I think he's implying that his serial migrations along the way have
not been accomplished by system replacement that involved package
reinstallation and data file restoration, but rather by complete disk
contents preservation at each upgrade. I have seen systems like that,
which have Win3.x legacy stuff lurking on them despite the absence of
whatever the file used to support. There is a system on the house
network here which is among them. It's more amusing to discover such
anachronisms on an XP system, of course, since 3.x-native code won't
run there.

You are essentially correct. It's actually worse than I originally stated;
my windows directory is actually c:/winword. You have to have been around
for a very long time to understand what *that* means! And for those who
haven't, it means that my original copy of Microsoft Word installed a
windows runtime in that directory. That's prior to Windows 3.1 by a fair
amount. My first "real" copy of Windows was 3.0 (I never messed with the
stuff prior to that).

So, I started with a very-expensive 10meg hard drive, which had its contents
cloned to a successive drive, which begat yet another, and another, and
another... a long, unbroken line of succession. Assuming I clone the
current drive prior to failure, it will continue yet again.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
http://www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

"Werehatrack" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On Mon, 24 May 2004 07:09:15 -0700, "RWM" <[email hidden]> may

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"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > I use the HAC-4 with Windows XP, using a serial port, and have had

no

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downloading issues or software hangs... at least not yet! And my

computer

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is so loaded with software & drivers dating all the way back to Win 3.1

that

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it's amazing anything works.

Let me make sure that I am reading this correctly. You are running XP on

a

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computer that originally shipped with Windows 3.1? Or you running
applications designed in the Win 3.1 era on an XP machine?

I think he's implying that his serial migrations along the way have
not been accomplished by system replacement that involved package
reinstallation and data file restoration, but rather by complete disk
contents preservation at each upgrade. I have seen systems like that,
which have Win3.x legacy stuff lurking on them despite the absence of
whatever the file used to support. There is a system on the house
network here which is among them. It's more amusing to discover such
anachronisms on an XP system, of course, since 3.x-native code won't
run there.

--
My email address is antispammed; pull WEEDS if replying via e-mail.
Typoes are not a bug, they're a feature.
Words processed in a facility that contains nuts.

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computer that originally shipped with Windows 3.1? Or you running
applications designed in the Win 3.1 era on an XP machine?

Like someone said some times ago, windows=shimano. You like Campy, get
Linux!

(but don't ask me where to download the next free Record or Chorus upgrade)

:-)

Francesco

On Mon, 24 May 2004 18:36:16 +0200, Francesco Devittori

frenkatfrenkdtcm may have said:

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>computer that originally shipped with Windows 3.1? Or you running
>applications designed in the Win 3.1 era on an XP machine?

Like someone said some times ago, windows=shimano. You like Campy, get
Linux!

If Windows really equalled Shimano, at least the high-end versions
would work properly.

Windows = Walmart bikes. Linux = LBS. I won't try to find a
corresponding match for Mac, because it would be a matter of religious
opinion.

--
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Typoes are not a bug, they're a feature.
Words processed in a facility that contains nuts.

Werehatrack said:

...
Windows = Walmart bikes. Linux = LBS. I won't try to find a
corresponding match for Mac, because it would be a matter of religious
opinion.

Campagnolo is a religion for certain rec.bicycles.tech regulars. 😉

--
Tom Sherman – Quad City Area

Fran-<< Like someone said some times ago, windows=shimano. You like Campy, get
Linux! >><BR><BR>

Nope, get a Mac....

Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria
1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com
"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

Fran-<< Like someone said some times ago, windows=shimano. You like Campy, get
Linux! >><BR><BR>

Nope, get a Mac....

Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria
1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com
"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

try changing that very small spring on a mac! :-P

(nooo... please, not another os-religion war!)

Francesco

On 25 May 2004 13:13:52 GMT, [email hidden] (Qui si parla

Campagnolo ) said:

Fran-<< Like someone said some times ago, windows=shimano. You like Campy, get
Linux! >><BR><BR>

Nope, get a Mac....

Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria
1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com
"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

Dear Peter,

KayPro CP/M, the Fury RoadMaster of computing!

Carl Fogel

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KayPro CP/M, the Fury RoadMaster of computing!

uhhhh, carl. there's no way the fury roadmaster is as svelte and light-
weight as the "portable" (luggable) kaypro II:

http://www.obsoletecomputermuseum.org/kaypro/
http://koti.mbnet.fi/~oju/retro/KayproIIopened.jpg

ain't she a beaut? all that at 12kg. and CP/M worked fairly consistently
if not up to today's standards (it did clobber early (late?) ms/dos, imo).
my first job ever involved a kaypro ii. i have fond memories of it (not
carrying it, tho).
--
david reuteler
[email hidden]

David Reuteler said:

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KayPro CP/M, the Fury RoadMaster of computing!

uhhhh, carl. there's no way the fury roadmaster is as svelte and light-
weight as the "portable" (luggable) kaypro II:

http://www.obsoletecomputermuseum.org/kaypro/
http://koti.mbnet.fi/~oju/retro/KayproIIopened.jpg

ain't she a beaut? all that at 12kg. and CP/M worked fairly consistently
if not up to today's standards (it did clobber early (late?) ms/dos, imo).
my first job ever involved a kaypro ii. i have fond memories of it (not
carrying it, tho).

Dear Dave,

Customs officials insisted that mine was a lie-detector.

The WordStar 3, spreadsheet, and Turbo Pascal worked
flawlessly. I sold it long ago on eBay, but still have the
MS-DOS emulator to run its non-utility disks.

Carl Fogel

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KayPro CP/M, the Fury RoadMaster of computing!

Hey! Everything I know about computers I owe to my KayPro 4!

Without so much as a nanosecond of instruction (an unblemished record
preserved to this day), I was able to perform many important tasks
with it. Over the course of a couple of years, several pieces of
business correspondence were produced and there were many important
papers which might have otherwise blown about the shop had my KayPro
not held them firmly to the top of my desk. Thanks to the experience
with my Kaypro, I was blissfully unencumbered by the temptation to own
a computer of any kind for the period of 1986 to 1996.
-------------------------------
John Dacey
Business Cycles, Miami, Florida
Since 1983
Our catalogue of track equipment: online since 1996.
http://www.businesscycles.com

John Dacey said:

Thanks to the experience
with my Kaypro, I was blissfully unencumbered by the temptation to own
a computer of any kind for the period of 1986 to 1996.

i consider it a blessing you weren't introduced to computing w/ a TRS-80
Model 1 or you surely wouldn't be gracing us with your presence now.
--
david reuteler
[email hidden]

David Reuteler said:

Quoted message said:

KayPro CP/M, the Fury RoadMaster of computing!

uhhhh, carl. there's no way the fury roadmaster is as svelte and light-
weight as the "portable" (luggable) kaypro II:

http://www.obsoletecomputermuseum.org/kaypro/
http://koti.mbnet.fi/~oju/retro/KayproIIopened.jpg

ain't she a beaut? all that at 12kg. and CP/M worked fairly consistently
if not up to today's standards (it did clobber early (late?) ms/dos, imo).
my first job ever involved a kaypro ii. i have fond memories of it (not
carrying it, tho).

The metal hinges and case are probably in fine condition, unlike my
5-years laptop which has had its hinges fail from fatigue cracking,
separating the screen from the rest of the computer. 🙁

--
Tom Sherman – Quad City Area

David Reuteler said:

John Dacey said:

Thanks to the experience
with my Kaypro, I was blissfully unencumbered by the temptation to own
a computer of any kind for the period of 1986 to 1996.

i consider it a blessing you weren't introduced to computing w/ a TRS-80
Model 1 or you surely wouldn't be gracing us with your presence now.

Actually, the first computer I ever used was a "Trash 80" Model 1 that
my middle school purchased c 1981.

--
Tom Sherman – Quad City Area

Tom Sherman said:

Actually, the first computer I ever used was a "Trash 80" Model 1 that
my middle school purchased c 1981.

colour me impressed. mine was an imsai 8080

http://www.obsoletecomputermuseum.org/imsai/

all those blinky lights (as featured in War Games) couldn't help but draw
you in.
--
david reuteler
[email hidden]

Benjamin Weiner said:

That was like the Cambio Corsa derailleur of computing
weenieness. They just do not make anything that weird
anymore. The world is a more sensible, but arguably
poorer, place for it.

http://books.cambridge.org/0521524083.htm

i lost my cookies on that one.
--
david reuteler
[email hidden]

David Reuteler said:

Tom Sherman said:

Actually, the first computer I ever used was a "Trash 80" Model 1 that
my middle school purchased c 1981.

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colour me impressed. mine was an imsai 8080

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http://www.obsoletecomputermuseum.org/imsai/

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all those blinky lights (as featured in War Games) couldn't help but draw
you in.

Hah. I was once _paid_ to program an Apple Lisa.
Running a MacOS emulator, mind you. In a language
that was basically object oriented Forth.

That was like the Cambio Corsa derailleur of computing
weenieness. They just do not make anything that weird
anymore. The world is a more sensible, but arguably
poorer, place for it.