Handlebar-mounted GPS

David Kerber ns_dkerber@ns_ids.net said:

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Its not actually "GPS" functionality, per se. The locations of
the celluar sites are qualifed using GPS and then from there, the
system trangulates the positions of the users. There is no GPS
engine in the mobile phones themselves.

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I've been following this issue through the IEEE, and yes, there
is. The triangulation method is what it uses when there's no GPS
function in the phones, and is far less precise. If you're only
in range of one or two cell towers, triangulation is largely
useless, so they put the GPS functionality into the phones.

There are lots of places where a cell phone will work but GPS won't, so
they need triangulation as a backup.

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The purpose isn't really for 911 location though.

That's the *whole* purpose of it in many areas.

That's the whole *official* purpose. It's really there so the gummint
knows where you are at all times, making it easier for the black
helicopters to find you.

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David Kerber ns_dkerber@ns_ids.net said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Its not actually "GPS" functionality, per se. The locations of
the celluar sites are qualifed using GPS and then from there, the
system trangulates the positions of the users. There is no GPS
engine in the mobile phones themselves.

Quoted message said:

I've been following this issue through the IEEE, and yes, there
is. The triangulation method is what it uses when there's no GPS
function in the phones, and is far less precise. If you're only
in range of one or two cell towers, triangulation is largely
useless, so they put the GPS functionality into the phones.

There are lots of places where a cell phone will work but GPS won't, so
they need triangulation as a backup.

Good point, but triangulation doesn't have near the accuracy of gps, so
it is definitely the 2nd choice.

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The purpose isn't really for 911 location though.

That's the *whole* purpose of it in many areas.

That's the whole *official* purpose. It's really there so the gummint
knows where you are at all times, making it easier for the black
helicopters to find you.

I hope you are joking about this and just forgot the ;-), because the
government doesn't operate the cellular phone system, and needs a
subpoena in order to get any information from a phone company.

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Eric S. Sande said:

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Anybody have any recommendations on these models?

Yeah, I have a recommendation, but you won't like it. Don't get them.
They are fine units, for what they do. But think about it. Do you really
need GPS to ride a bike?

No you don't *need* a GPS to ride a bike. But it can be fun.
I received a basic ETrex without map for my 40th birthday. I've found it
useful to navigate quickly through complicated areas like around major
towns where there are many roads and little signposting. This way I don't
have to stop to look at the map all the time.

But I have to prepare the trips very carefully: entering waypoint
coordinates at every intersection takes time. I use GPSMan to type and
store things on the computer, but I don't have a software with map data
yet, so I have to type all waypoints manually. A beneficial side effect,
though, is that I have to look much more in detail at my planning, and
often I just *remember* my waypoints, which I never do when using a map.

The real weakness of this toy is electrical consumption. The 2 AA
batteries don't even last a full day of riding. I now turn it off for long
stretches where I know my way.

Jacques

On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 10:02:28 -0400, David Kerber

ns_dkerber@ns_ids.net said:

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Yup..in fact, it is law in many places that all new phones must have
GPS functionality in them for emergency 911 location purposes. Too
bad they don't mandate a user interface too...my phone has built-in
GPS but no user access to it.

I believe (not sure, though) that some phones have a user interface to
it, but not many; that would add a lot of cost to the phones.

Quoted message said:

Its not actually "GPS" functionality, per se. The locations of the
celluar sites are qualifed using GPS and then from there, the system
trangulates the positions of the users. There is no GPS engine in the
mobile phones themselves.

I've been following this issue through the IEEE, and yes, there is. The
triangulation method is what it uses when there's no GPS function in the
phones, and is far less precise. If you're only in range of one or two
cell towers, triangulation is largely useless, so they put the GPS
functionality into the phones.

Question: Is this is CDMA systems, or GMS systems?

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The purpose isn't really for 911 location though.

That's the *whole* purpose of it in many areas.

That is the whole stated purpose. Its just like Onstar and having a
transponder in your car to make it *easier* to pay tolls. Its all
about tracking Citizens whereabouts without them really realizing it.
Frog in the pot.

Michael J. Klein
Dasi Jen, Taoyuan Hsien, Taiwan, ROC
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In article <[email hidden]>,
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....

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I've been following this issue through the IEEE, and yes, there is. The
triangulation method is what it uses when there's no GPS function in the
phones, and is far less precise. If you're only in range of one or two
cell towers, triangulation is largely useless, so they put the GPS
functionality into the phones.

Question: Is this is CDMA systems, or GMS systems?

Either, or both; whatever the local providers use.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The purpose isn't really for 911 location though.

That's the *whole* purpose of it in many areas.

That is the whole stated purpose. Its just like Onstar and having a
transponder in your car to make it *easier* to pay tolls. Its all
about tracking Citizens whereabouts without them really realizing it.
Frog in the pot.

Who's doing the tracking? The system is operated by the phone
companies, not the government, and the phone company doesn't care where
you go, except for knowing where they need to add capacity.

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David Kerber ns_dkerber@ns_ids.net said:

Who's doing the tracking?

Major League Baseball.

- Tom

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David Kerber ns_dkerber@ns_ids.net said:

Who's doing the tracking? The system is operated by the phone
companies, not the government, and the phone company doesn't care where
you go, except for knowing where they need to add capacity.

yes, lucky for us the patriot act gives them (the FBI, etc) the right to
access those records without judicial oversight. no annoying subpeonas ..
and they (the isp, phone company) are forbidden to disclose that they've been
required to comply.

http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFree.cfm?ID=13246&c=206

go PATRIOT! nothing to worry about here.
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In article <[email hidden]>,

David Kerber ns_dkerber@ns_ids.net said:

Who's doing the tracking?

Major League Baseball.

LOL!

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David Kerber ns_dkerber@ns_ids.net said:

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
says...

Quoted message said:

That's the whole *official* purpose. It's really there so the
gummint knows where you are at all times, making it easier for
the black helicopters to find you.

Quoted message said:

I hope you are joking about this and just forgot the ;-), because
the government doesn't operate the cellular phone system, and
needs a subpoena in order to get any information from a phone
company.

Ha, that's just what they *tell* people. The cell phone companies are
obviously in on the conspiracy.

Maybe I should borrow Guy's sig file.

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Jacques Moser said:

But I have to prepare the trips very carefully: entering waypoint
coordinates at every intersection takes time. I use GPSMan to type
and store things on the computer, but I don't have a software with
map data yet, so I have to type all waypoints manually. A
beneficial side effect, though, is that I have to look much more
in detail at my planning, and often I just *remember* my
waypoints, which I never do when using a map.

I once prepared a route in a GPS from a paper topo map, using a ruler
and calculator to measure coordinates. It was surprisingly accurate
(especially considering that the map was from 1927), but extremely
tedious. Mapping software is definitely the way to go.

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David Reuteler said:

David Kerber ns_dkerber@ns_ids.net said:

Who's doing the tracking? The system is operated by the phone
companies, not the government, and the phone company doesn't care where
you go, except for knowing where they need to add capacity.

yes, lucky for us the patriot act gives them (the FBI, etc) the right to
access those records without judicial oversight. no annoying subpeonas ..
and they (the isp, phone company) are forbidden to disclose that they've been
required to comply.

http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFree.cfm?ID=13246&c=206

go PATRIOT! nothing to worry about here.

The constant references to and mimicry of the [censored] system is what
frightens me. Its nice to know that Ashcroft views the Constitution
as a "hinderance" to his agenda.

Michael J. Klein
Dasi Jen, Taoyuan Hsien, Taiwan, ROC
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