HELMET ???

datakoll said:

BELL offers several 'inexpensive' helmets from $50 to $25.

Is there a price boundry for protective helmets and not protective
helmets
or is price comfort and less comfort or style/exclusivity and nowhere?

What's a Bell best buy for off road touring? with a visor?

Check Amazon. More money buys fancier holes. If your noggin is large
and oval the universal fit models won't work, get the XL sized
versions.

datakoll said:

BELL offers several 'inexpensive' helmets from $50 to $25.

Is there a price boundry for protective helmets and not protective
helmets

No.

If you ask why not, you're trolling.

"Chalo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

It's easier to attach cow horns etc. to a hard shell cap.

Best comment I've seen in a helmet thread in ages :-)

Chalo said:

The cheaper the helmet, the more protective it tends to be. It's the
same thing as a $200 bike frame being stronger than a $2000 bike
frame. Expensive helmets are designed to barely pass the standards
while optimizing for other things like light weight and ventilation.
Cheap helmets are designed to pass the standards easily, with minimum
design and tooling sophistication.

Bad assumption on both counts. More material does not automatically
mean stronger and more reliable. It still all has to be put
together. It's not the tubes that are going to break first on that
$200 bike, it's the welds. That's why helmets are built to standards
in the first place. If they weren't, cheaper, heavier helmets could
be falsely be marketed as safer. Even if their construction was
inferior. The standard is the minimum, and if any designers are
overshooting it, it's only because expanded polystyrene is such a
wildly variable material under poor manufacturing conditions. So
there's a chance you might draw from an an extra strong batch, but
there's just as much chance you won't. In the absence of a second,
more stringent, test its best to assume that all helmets that meet the
same standard provide the same level of protection.

Chalo said:

It's easier to attach cow horns etc. to a hard shell cap.

Or a big spike, to turn it into a Pickelhaube.

http://www.ssa.gov/history/pics/ottoengrave.jpg

This has been done for jamboree-type rides like the Dunwich Dynamo in
the UK.

Zog The Undeniable said:

Chalo said:

It's easier to attach cow horns etc. to a hard shell cap.

Or a big spike, to turn it into a Pickelhaube.

http://www.ssa.gov/history/pics/ottoengrave.jpg

This has been done for jamboree-type rides like the Dunwich Dynamo in
the UK.

Man, I need to do that to my brain bucket pronto!

Quoted message said:

Chalo said:

The cheaper the helmet, the more protective it tends to be. It's the
same thing as a $200 bike frame being stronger than a $2000 bike
frame. Expensive helmets are designed to barely pass the standards
while optimizing for other things like light weight and ventilation.
Cheap helmets are designed to pass the standards easily, with minimum
design and tooling sophistication.

Bad assumption on both counts. More material does not automatically
mean stronger and more reliable. It still all has to be put
together. It's not the tubes that are going to break first on that
$200 bike, it's the welds. That's why helmets are built to standards
in the first place. If they weren't, cheaper, heavier helmets could
be falsely be marketed as safer. Even if their construction was
inferior. The standard is the minimum, and if any designers are
overshooting it, it's only because expanded polystyrene is such a
wildly variable material under poor manufacturing conditions. So
there's a chance you might draw from an an extra strong batch, but
there's just as much chance you won't. In the absence of a second,
more stringent, test its best to assume that all helmets that meet the
same standard provide the same level of protection.

"Unforgiven's" objections sound very hypothetical to me. They don't
appear to pan out in the real world.

Consumer reports has done several helmet tests over the years.
They've tested for the level of impact protection. The results have
been quite consistent: There are measurable differences. More
expensive helmets offer less impact protection.

Unfortunately, Consumer Reports shows the comparative level of impact
protection using colored dots, rather than numerical data. This may
be because the actual numbers would tell consumers how dismal the
level of protection really is. And in violation of their mission, CR
has chosen to strongly promote these unnecessary and ineffective
devices, using the typical helmeteer propaganda.

- Frank Krygowski

Quoted message said:

Chalo said:

The cheaper the helmet, the more protective it tends to be. It's the
same thing as a $200 bike frame being stronger than a $2000 bike
frame.

....

Quoted message said:

Bad assumption on both counts. More material does not automatically
mean stronger and more reliable. It still all has to be put
together. It's not the tubes that are going to break first on that
$200 bike, it's the welds.

Gene's $200 bike frameset is a Redline Monocog 29er. I have one,
too.

If you know of even one $2000 bike frame that comes close to its
strength, I'd like to know about it.

Chalo

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

On Feb 19, 12:54 pm, Chalo <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The cheaper the helmet, the more protective it tends to be. It's the
same thing as a $200 bike frame being stronger than a $2000 bike
frame. Expensive helmets are designed to barely pass the standards
while optimizing for other things like light weight and ventilation.
Cheap helmets are designed to pass the standards easily, with minimum
design and tooling sophistication.

Quoted message said:

Bad assumption on both counts. More material does not automatically
mean stronger and more reliable. It still all has to be put
together. It's not the tubes that are going to break first on that
$200 bike, it's the welds. That's why helmets are built to standards
in the first place. If they weren't, cheaper, heavier helmets could
be falsely be marketed as safer. Even if their construction was
inferior. The standard is the minimum, and if any designers are
overshooting it, it's only because expanded polystyrene is such a
wildly variable material under poor manufacturing conditions. So
there's a chance you might draw from an an extra strong batch, but
there's just as much chance you won't. In the absence of a second,
more stringent, test its best to assume that all helmets that meet the
same standard provide the same level of protection.

"Unforgiven's" objections sound very hypothetical to me. They don't
appear to pan out in the real world.

Consumer reports has done several helmet tests over the years.
They've tested for the level of impact protection. The results have
been quite consistent: There are measurable differences. More
expensive helmets offer less impact protection.

Unfortunately, Consumer Reports shows the comparative level of impact
protection using colored dots, rather than numerical data. This may
be because the actual numbers would tell consumers how dismal the
level of protection really is. And in violation of their mission, CR
has chosen to strongly promote these unnecessary and ineffective
devices, using the typical helmeteer propaganda.

- Frank Krygowski

I stand corrected. The objection was hypothetical, but it was in
response to a broad, unsupported generalization.

Chalo said:

Quoted message said:

Chalo wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The cheaper the helmet, the more protective it tends to be. It's the
same thing as a $200 bike frame being stronger than a $2000 bike
frame.

...

Quoted message said:

Bad assumption on both counts. More material does not automatically
mean stronger and more reliable. It still all has to be put
together. It's not the tubes that are going to break first on that
$200 bike, it's the welds.

Gene's $200 bike frameset is a Redline Monocog 29er. I have one,
too.

If you know of even one $2000 bike frame that comes close to its
strength, I'd like to know about it.

Chalo

N=1. There are also plenty of very sketchy frames in that price
range. I've heard that the Monocog is pretty sturdy, but have not
seen any actual test data, so I don't know how other frames compare to
what you perceive it's strength to be.

YEAH, and I'm cookin' dinner on it.

yummm roast ox

isn't there a current opinion on helmut strapping?
buy strap system X,
avoid strap system Y like the noose?

"Clive George" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Chalo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

It's easier to attach cow horns etc. to a hard shell cap.

Best comment I've seen in a helmet thread in ages :-)

If someone could post links to such pics, that would be a lot of fun.

J.

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Zog The Undeniable said:

Chalo said:

It's easier to attach cow horns etc. to a hard shell cap.

Quoted message said:

Or a big spike, to turn it into a Pickelhaube.

Quoted message said:

http://www.ssa.gov/history/pics/ottoengrave.jpg

Quoted message said:

This has been done for jamboree-type rides like the Dunwich Dynamo in
the UK.

Man, I need to do that to my brain bucket pronto!

Don't do an endo, lawn darts are illegal nation wide these days.

landotter said:

Quoted post said:

On Feb 19, 2:30 pm, Zog The Undeniable <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Chalo wrote:
> It's easier to attach cow horns etc. to a hard shell cap.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Or a big spike, to turn it into a Pickelhaube.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.ssa.gov/history/pics/ottoengrave.jpg

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

This has been done for jamboree-type rides like the Dunwich Dynamo in
the UK.

Quoted message said:

Man, I need to do that to my brain bucket pronto!

Don't do an endo, lawn darts are illegal nation wide these days.

sure, waitill you run into a looooow overhang and the prong tears your
head off, adams apple first.
hung lika good nazi

landotter said:

Quoted post said:

On Feb 19, 2:30 pm, Zog The Undeniable <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Chalo wrote:
> It's easier to attach cow horns etc. to a hard shell cap.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Or a big spike, to turn it into a Pickelhaube.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.ssa.gov/history/pics/ottoengrave.jpg

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

This has been done for jamboree-type rides like the Dunwich Dynamo in
the UK.

Quoted message said:

Man, I need to do that to my brain bucket pronto!

Don't do an endo, lawn darts are illegal nation wide these days.

Endo's are a normal part of riding for me. Sometimes they're on
purpose slowing down or stopping, sometimes they're a result of the
terrain and running out of skill. I don't think I'd like the impact
back on my head either... maybe I'll let this one slide by.

glue a 5" diameter coil spring?

any ideas on the strapping?

datakoll aka gene daniels said:

yummm roast ox

isn't there a current opinion on helmut strapping?
buy strap system X,
avoid strap system Y like the noose?

DUCK TAPE!

(quack)

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

datakoll aka gene daniels said:

YEAH, and I'm cookin' dinner on it.

Note to self: be busy when gene invites me to dinner. 😉

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful