How much is this worth ?

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These bikes are selling at auction for about £30-£50. Are you sure it
isnt worth the gamble ?

In my case, I would not ride one of those bikes unless I had no other
choice. See the recent thread on resin V brakes for more detail, but I
would /much/ rather ride a Dutch roadster with a 3 speed hub for general
use around London. Stronger, more reliable, less to go wrong, less
maintenance to do, infinitely better for carrying loads, less prone to
getting nicked, more comfortable riding position. The main reason
they're not popular in the UK as general purpose utility bikes appears
to be that folk here are more preoccupied with looking sporty than being
useful.

Pete.
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Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
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Peter Clinch said:

Quoted message said:

These bikes are selling at auction for about £30-£50. Are you sure it
isnt worth the gamble ?

In my case, I would not ride one of those bikes unless I had no other
choice. See the recent thread on resin V brakes for more detail, but I
would /much/ rather ride a Dutch roadster with a 3 speed hub for general
use around London. Stronger, more reliable, less to go wrong, less
maintenance to do, infinitely better for carrying loads, less prone to
getting nicked, more comfortable riding position. The main reason
they're not popular in the UK as general purpose utility bikes appears
to be that folk here are more preoccupied with looking sporty than being
useful.

I was thinking the same thing myself. It may be worth my while nipping
over to Amsterdam and bringing a few Dutch bikes (roadsters as you
call them) back here for myself and to sell on. I assume if I take a
van to Amsterdam there is nothing to stop me bringing back 4 or 5
bikes ?

Tumbleweed said:

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Jon Senior said:

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> maybe because you are moaning faced whingers :-)

Yup. That'll be it. Or alternatively because your posting style is
remarkably similar to that of the many devoid-of-clues types that appear
from time to time.

its the content that matters not the style. unless you are clueless of
course.

If you really believe that, you arent going to go very far, (off a bike at
least :-)

Where a bike is concerned content is far more important than style
which is why a dutch 3-gear roadster is a far better choice than a
Claude-Butler savage mad-dog etc etc

On 20/8/04 11:00 am, in article [email hidden],

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On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 10:17:41 +0100, "Tumbleweed"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

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its the content that matters not the style. unless you are clueless of
course.

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If you really believe that, you arent going to go very far, (off a bike at
least :-)

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Where a bike is concerned content is far more important than style
which is why a dutch 3-gear roadster is a far better choice than a
Claude-Butler savage mad-dog etc etc

Ahh but that is entirely a change of style. It's not the parts (the tyres,
rims, hubs are potentially lower quality on the roadster, especially at the
bottom end of the market, but how they are put together that matters.

Obviously content is essential, but style is what makes the content work.

...d

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Peter Clinch said:

Quoted message said:

These bikes are selling at auction for about £30-£50. Are you sure it
isnt worth the gamble ?

In my case, I would not ride one of those bikes unless I had no other
choice. See the recent thread on resin V brakes for more detail, but I
would /much/ rather ride a Dutch roadster with a 3 speed hub for general
use around London. Stronger, more reliable, less to go wrong, less
maintenance to do, infinitely better for carrying loads, less prone to
getting nicked, more comfortable riding position. The main reason
they're not popular in the UK as general purpose utility bikes appears
to be that folk here are more preoccupied with looking sporty than being
useful.

I was thinking the same thing myself. It may be worth my while nipping
over to Amsterdam and bringing a few Dutch bikes (roadsters as you
call them) back here for myself and to sell on. I assume if I take a
van to Amsterdam there is nothing to stop me bringing back 4 or 5
bikes ?

Nothing apart from the North Sea 🙂

That's the purpose of the EU, to make things like that easy. No idea
how much ferries cost.

A

David Martin said:

On 20/8/04 11:00 am, in article [email hidden],

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On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 10:17:41 +0100, "Tumbleweed"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

<[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> its the content that matters not the style. unless you are clueless of
> course.

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Quoted message said:

If you really believe that, you arent going to go very far, (off a bike at
least :-)

Quoted message said:

Where a bike is concerned content is far more important than style
which is why a dutch 3-gear roadster is a far better choice than a
Claude-Butler savage mad-dog etc etc

Ahh but that is entirely a change of style. It's not the parts (the tyres,
rims, hubs are potentially lower quality on the roadster, especially at the
bottom end of the market, but how they are put together that matters.

Obviously content is essential, but style is what makes the content work.

if you had seen the style of the savage/mad-dog you will know what i
mean about style over content. they are hideously over stylised
monsters although i am sure their basic content is sound and
road-worthy.

Ambrose Nankivell said:

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Peter Clinch said:

[email hidden] wrote:

> These bikes are selling at auction for about £30-£50. Are you sure it
> isnt worth the gamble ?

In my case, I would not ride one of those bikes unless I had no other
choice. See the recent thread on resin V brakes for more detail, but I
would /much/ rather ride a Dutch roadster with a 3 speed hub for general
use around London. Stronger, more reliable, less to go wrong, less
maintenance to do, infinitely better for carrying loads, less prone to
getting nicked, more comfortable riding position. The main reason
they're not popular in the UK as general purpose utility bikes appears
to be that folk here are more preoccupied with looking sporty than being
useful.

I was thinking the same thing myself. It may be worth my while nipping
over to Amsterdam and bringing a few Dutch bikes (roadsters as you
call them) back here for myself and to sell on. I assume if I take a
van to Amsterdam there is nothing to stop me bringing back 4 or 5
bikes ?

Nothing apart from the North Sea 🙂

That's the purpose of the EU, to make things like that easy. No idea
how much ferries cost.

That is the theory in principle but you know what British customs are
like. I am not sure if I need to pay any duty on them .

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That is the theory in principle but you know what British customs are
like. I am not sure if I need to pay any duty on them .

If you're gonna buy a laod, might as well order them direct from the manufacturers - be
cheaper to buy & cheaper to get 'em over here.

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Ambrose Nankivell said:

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On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 10:20:50 +0100, Peter Clinch
<[email hidden]> wrote:

>[email hidden] wrote:
>
>> These bikes are selling at auction for about £30-£50. Are you sure it
>> isnt worth the gamble ?
>
>In my case, I would not ride one of those bikes unless I had no other
>choice. See the recent thread on resin V brakes for more detail, but I
>would /much/ rather ride a Dutch roadster with a 3 speed hub for general
>use around London. Stronger, more reliable, less to go wrong, less
>maintenance to do, infinitely better for carrying loads, less prone to
>getting nicked, more comfortable riding position. The main reason
>they're not popular in the UK as general purpose utility bikes appears
>to be that folk here are more preoccupied with looking sporty than being
>useful.
>
I was thinking the same thing myself. It may be worth my while nipping
over to Amsterdam and bringing a few Dutch bikes (roadsters as you
call them) back here for myself and to sell on. I assume if I take a
van to Amsterdam there is nothing to stop me bringing back 4 or 5
bikes ?

Nothing apart from the North Sea 🙂

That's the purpose of the EU, to make things like that easy. No idea
how much ferries cost.

That is the theory in principle but you know what British customs are
like. I am not sure if I need to pay any duty on them .

Not since 1992. British customs are mildly idiosyncratic, but HM
Customs & Excise are as trustworthy as it gets, IMHO. Except maybe for
targetting of cigarette and alcohol importers, but their aim there is
to stop the black market not to punish the public. I see the
confusion. I'm not sure why cigarettes and alcohol must have national
duty paid when other goods don't, but that is the case.

A

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That is the theory in principle but you know what British customs are
like. I am not sure if I need to pay any duty on them .

AIUI you pay any taxes, duty etc. in NL. Roos bought her recumbent
mail order from NL and had it shipped here, all the extras beyond what
it actually /cost/ were paid in NL.

But if you call up HM Customs they'll tell you. These agencies are
actually pretty helpful if you ask things in advance.

Things to note if you intend selling a few on is (a) they're not
actually very popular in the UK, so it might be harder than you imagine,
(b) the default vanilla seems to be a single back pedal brake, which
isn't really good enough in non-flat places and most UK riders aren't
familiar with them so will be less happy with them, and (c) another
default vanilla specification is single speed, where a 3 speed hub would
really make more sense in London.

But if you're just picking one up for yourself you'll get a bigger
selection of that sort of thing by a few orders of magnitude.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

Peter Clinch <[email hidden]> wrote:

: But if you're just picking one up for yourself you'll get a bigger
: selection of that sort of thing by a few orders of magnitude.

Cycle Heaven in York sell a good selection of Dutch roadsters if
that's of any use.

--
Arthur Clune http://www.clune.org
"Technolibertarians make a philosophy out of a personality defect"
- Paulina Borsook

Mark Thompson said:

A little web search shows it to be worth about £160-200. I wouldn't touch
front-only suspension at this price[1] let alone full suspension. The
denizens of this ng only recommend getting full suspension as you near
£1,000!

Pashley-built Moultons start at about 600 of your Earth Pounds. Full
suspension (every bike since 1962!), and thoroughly recommended (except
by the UCI).

Mike

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"]CLAUD BUTLER SAVAGE/MADDOG DH ALLOY GENTS FULL SUSPENSION MOUNTAIN
BIKE. WITH 21 SPEED SHIMANO STI GEARS, FRONT ZOOM TRIPLE CLAMP
SUSPENSION FORKS, QUICK RELEASE ALLOY WHEELS IN BLACK AND SILVER

is this bike any good and how much should i pay ?

Hi Sam

My recommendation is that you pay nothing for this bike

I say that because I can't judge a bike on a text description

(For what it's worth I don't mind upper case or lower case)

Ian

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Peter Clinch said:

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> These bikes are selling at auction for about £30-£50. Are you sure it
> isnt worth the gamble ?

In my case, I would not ride one of those bikes unless I had no other
choice. See the recent thread on resin V brakes for more detail, but I
would /much/ rather ride a Dutch roadster with a 3 speed hub for

general

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use around London. Stronger, more reliable, less to go wrong, less
maintenance to do, infinitely better for carrying loads, less prone to
getting nicked, more comfortable riding position. The main reason
they're not popular in the UK as general purpose utility bikes appears
to be that folk here are more preoccupied with looking sporty than

being

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useful.

I was thinking the same thing myself. It may be worth my while nipping
over to Amsterdam and bringing a few Dutch bikes (roadsters as you
call them) back here for myself and to sell on. I assume if I take a
van to Amsterdam there is nothing to stop me bringing back 4 or 5
bikes ?

Nothing apart from the North Sea 🙂

That's the purpose of the EU, to make things like that easy. No idea
how much ferries cost.

hundreds of millions of pounds each I would think.
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