On May 28, 1:18 am, Ryan Cousineau <
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> In article <[email protected]>,
> Bill C <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > On May 27, 8:44 pm, Doug Taylor <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > On 27 May 2007 10:24:14 -0700, Bill C <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > Fair and just due process is just that, and should be accorded to
> > > >everyone in all cases, not just serious criminal cases.
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> > > Well, dude, good thing you are just another nerd posting on usenet and
> > > not a competing in the NFL, which has one of the more successful and
> > > acclaimed anti-performance enhancing drug policies.
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> > > Again, unlike the criminal justice system, where the concept of due
> > > process is key in any free or enlightened society, the NFL is strictly
> > > private: they can do whatever they want, subject to acceptance by the
> > > player's union.
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> > > All players in the League are tested once a year, and are subject to
> > > weekly random tests during the pre-season, season, and post season.
> > > If a player refuses a test or tests positive, bingo, GUILTY. No
> > > Johnny Cochran calling the procedure or the science into question. No
> > > circus. No assassination of the character of witnesses. The player
> > > is immediately subject to sanctions; although they have the right of
> > > appeal to the NFL commissioner. Lots of luck, there.
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> > > "Fair and just due process?" Who cares? It's PRIVATE and totally
> > > their call. And, the system arguably is more successful preventing
> > > performance enhancing drug use than any other US Pro sport, or any
> > > sport.
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> > > Good for them, I say. Better for the players, the owners, AND the
> > > fans.
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> > Do you REALLY think the NFL testing policy catches anyone but complete
> > morons, and actually works to clean up the sport?
> > Of course the massively powerful NFLPA signed onto it because it's
> > nothing more than a PR gimmick.
> > Check out section 1C in particular:
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> >http://www.nflpa.org/pdfs/RulesAndRegs/Drug_Policy_2006.pdf
> > Notice that the NFLPA can unilaterally remove a lab from doing
> > testing and they then negotiate on another lab.
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> > Here's the steroids stuff:
> > Notice it's urine only and full of holes.
> >http://www.nflpa.org/pdfs/RulesAndRegs/BannedSubstances.pdf
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> The science here is beyond me: what holes do you see in their
> 'roid-testing regimen?
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> I would note that I suspect the aerobic enhancements of EPO would be of
> minimal benefit to any football player.
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> Ryan Cousineau [email protected]://www.wiredcola.com/
> "I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
> to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos- Hide quoted text -
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Hey Ryan
A lot of the newer water based steroids are gone in days at most from
your system and then a lot of the newer stuff won't show on urine
tests, just blood.
So these guys are all millionaires with access to serious newer drugs
that you aren't going to find using a urine test at all too.
About the only way to get caught is to be taking old oil based ****
and only an idiot is doing that. The people like Alzado and others
admitted using Hgh way back when and the NFL still doesn't test for it
and is hostile to the concept.
http://www.charlotte.com/456/story/69486.html
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=0005AF2D-C69A-1FFD-869A83414B7F0000
Quoted:
Still, the cat-and-mouse game that is athletic drug testing continues.
The trouble is that the mice are fast-moving targets that never stop
evolving. "We're looking forward for our next research project, and
that includes looking for other designer steroids," Catlin reports.
Perhaps they can pounce before the mouse disappears.
and that's the core problem. Both baseball and the NFL are using urine
testing which is less effective and most any change to the policy has
to be renegotiated with the unions who aren't going to give an inch
until they are absolutely forced to.
If and when a few people get caught, switch to something else and
keep going. Neither sport is interested in getting into, or will allow
the mess cycling is in to happen to it. They'll keep spinning a
testing program just good enough to catch the blatant idiots and
that'll keep the good PR going even though it really isn't doing much.
The other side is that they are allowed, especially in football, to
take so many drugs, painkillers etc...that what'd light up a Wada test
is all perfectly good and covered for them. If they banned opiates and
other painkillers you'd have to double the roster sizes just to have
bodies that could play.
I don't think anyone takes either sports testing program seriously as
science, or enforcement in private.
Bill C