Interesting Ferrarri comments

"Ewoud Dronkert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Robbie McEwen is even smaller at 171 cm and 66 kg

He's smaller and heavier than I, and he climbs like [censored] in the pro peloton. Still, I fear he will
have no problem outclimbing me.

He's smaller and heavier than I am, too, but, well, I don't have a prayer of finishing a 191-km
mountain stage (like the one Simoni won, TdF Stage 16 on the Col de Mente) in 6 hours (as
McEwen did).

I may well turn out to be a sprinter, even if I am built like Manuel Beltran... I suspect the
vast majority of RBR posters would want shoot me if they knew how often I eat fast food and how
little I weigh.

-Sonarrat.

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Robbie McEwen is even smaller at 171 cm and 66 kg

He's smaller and heavier than I, and he climbs like [censored] in the pro peloton. Still, I fear he will
have no problem outclimbing me.

And on top of that, the loaf of bread I just bought is not sliced, doh!

A positive side-effect is that many people are learning Dutch. Bakers all around Mokum will be
surprised to hear tourists asking for 'kesnedden browt'.

Yeah, but he forgot add the part where the whole Olympic team was blood boosting...

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This reminds of Patani's physiologist/Doctor who claimed that Pantani actually increased his RBC
count when he trained making him the only known human to be able to do so.

Eddie B writes (in 1983) of Alexei Grewal regarding altitude training: "...Alexei developed the
theoretical maximum number of red blood cells in his body..."

Regards, STF

Actually, I believe he is correct on that one. However, its best to reduce all rotating weight.

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This reminds of Patani's physiologist/Doctor who claimed that Pantani actually increased his
RBC count when he trained making him the only known human to be able to do so.

Eddie B writes (in 1983) of Alexei Grewal regarding altitude training: "...Alexei developed the
theoretical maximum number of red blood cells in his body..."

Regards, STF

I have an even better one from Eddie B. He used to claim that your rear wheel should be very
light to assist acceleration. The front wheel is not as important in a rear drive vehicle
(according to Eddie).

This was a driect quote, as far as I know, and as a sports scientist he should be well versed in the
terminology. As I am aware, Intermediate are the Type IIA (pretty good endurance and power) and IIX
are explosive. The problem is, simply be alive and active (ie, walking to the soda fountain) will
transform these fibers to IIa. That's why they're almost no existent in humans.

IMO, Ferrari was talking like many in his position often do; they want to mystify the whole process
and make the general shmo think you can so all this stuff so they'll pay money for the coaching and
believe they can do the same. I.E., its marketing mixed with a bit of insight.

Chris Harnish

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I pulled this from the Ferrari diary. I found it most interesting, as
Dr. Ferrari seems to be claiming Petacchi achieved what no research study has yet to even
suggest thus far:

"It is rather unsurprising that Alessandro Petacchi, the most explosive and uncontrollable
rider in sprints so far, suffers so much as soon as the road goes uphill, even though he
proudly defended himself whenever climbing in the past racing seasons.

The great enhancement of Petacchi's sprinting abilities has come out exactly at the same time
of his worsening of climbing qualities. In fact he has been able to transform part of his
'intermediate' muscle fibers into fast twitch ones, improving his sprint to the detriment of
his aerobic power."

While it is possible to train your fast twitch fibers to be "more aerobic", I can find nothing
to support Ferrari's anecdotes; is he saying Pettachi barely rides over an hour and just does
short sprint training? Even sprint track riders don't ascribe to this method. So what kind of
training could have caused such a conversion? Maybe it was orange juice.

This reminds of Patani's physiologist/Doctor who claimed that Pantani actually increased his
RBC count when he trained making him the only known human to be able to do so.

Just thought I'd throw this out there.

Chris Harnish

What I would take away from that is that his training has been focused on enhancing fast twitch
performance to the detriment of his aerobic performance. Whether there are any changes to the
ratios of muscle fiber types is not especially relevant IMO, but that appears to be what he is
saying.

Ya, and maybe there was some liberty taken in the translation. "Intermediate fibers" are sometimes
known as Fast Oxidative Glycolitic, so saying that he was "transforming" FOG into "fast twitch"
sounds like somebody misinterpreted what was said. Or maybe Ferrari knows something that hasn't
been published. It could happen. Still, interesting comments.

-WG

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Yeah, but he forgot add the part where the whole Olympic team was blood boosting...

Wrong.

By logic and / or admission there are *at least* 4 that did not blood boost.

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Robbie McEwen is even smaller at 171 cm and 66 kg

He's smaller and heavier than I, and he climbs like [censored] in the pro peloton. Still, I fear he will
have no problem outclimbing me.

And on top of that, the loaf of bread I just bought is not sliced, doh!

Best get back to the shop pronto and engage in a bit of the old ultraviolence...

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tanx, Howard

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remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

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It's more to do with the make up of your muscle fibres and the ratio of fast to slow twitch
fibres than it is your height and weight. Sprinters, be they big (Cipo, P)etacchi) or small
(McEwen) have lots of fast twitch fibres and so can produce incredible bursts of speed. Climbers
tend to have more slow twitch fibres and so are built for endurance and those long days in the
mountains.

Actually, it has to do with both (muscle size and muscle contractile properties). That's why true
sprinters - who would eat people like Cipollini for lunch - are both big (often ~100 kg) AND
explosive (on the fast twitch side).

You're talking about track sprinters, like that monster Nothstein who crossed over to win the New
York race, right? BTW, Baden Cooke is huge, too.

-Sonarrat.

You aren't nearly smart-alecky enough to be a sprinter.

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Robbie McEwen is even smaller at 171 cm and 66 kg

He's smaller and heavier than I, and he climbs like [censored] in the

pro

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peloton. Still, I fear he will have no problem outclimbing me.

He's smaller and heavier than I am, too, but, well, I don't have a

prayer of

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finishing a 191-km mountain stage (like the one Simoni won, TdF

Stage 16 on the

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Col de Mente) in 6 hours (as McEwen did).

I may well turn out to be a sprinter, even if I am built like Manuel

Beltran...

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I suspect the vast majority of RBR posters would want shoot me if

they knew how

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often I eat fast food and how little I weigh.

-Sonarrat.

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You aren't nearly smart-alecky enough to be a sprinter.

And yet, somehow you are. You must be an aberration.

-WG

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I may well turn out to be a sprinter, even if I am built like Manuel

Beltran...

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I suspect the vast majority of RBR posters would want shoot me if

they knew how

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often I eat fast food and how little I weigh.

-Sonarrat.

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You aren't nearly smart-alecky enough to be a sprinter.

And yet, somehow you are. You must be an aberration.

Same to you and your dog, buster.

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You aren't nearly smart-alecky enough to be a sprinter.

And yet, somehow you are. You must be an aberration.

Same to you and your dog, buster.

I don't have a dog but the cats we share our home with have been seriously offended by your comment.
There's gonna be hell to pay now.

-WG

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And on top of that, the loaf of bread I just bought is not sliced, doh!

Best get back to the shop pronto and engage in a bit of the old ultraviolence...

A bit of the old in-out always sounds better to me, but I'm afraid neither will do the
bread any good.

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I have an even better one from Eddie B. He used to claim that your rear wheel should be very
light to assist acceleration. The front wheel is

not

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important in a rear drive vehicle (according to Eddie).

They'd be equally important unless there's some sort of extra motion in

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rear wheel due to tire deformation.

Really?

Why do you think I gave it as an example?

The argument could be made that it's more important that the front wheel be light because a light
rear wheel gains from the lower weight, but offsets that gain with energy loss due to increased flex
(since it's the drive wheel).

Sorry, Carl. I should probably correct my statement to, "...a number (that I am unable to specify)
were blood boosting with no safety controls in place (during the insurgence of HIV in the U.S.). I
have been told the Alexi Grewal was one of the few who didn't take part in this, but Eddie Plankert
also claimed he never took EPO when he was winning, just when he was going slow..." I should
mention, for anyone not familiar with blood boosting, that at the time of the '84 Olympics blood
boosting wasn't banned, so technically they probably weren't doing anything different than many
other countries.

I also have it on three sources (I would consider reliable, as they have no reason to lie, including
one former member of the National Team) that a large number of the National Team athletes in the
early 80's used steroids and other drugs. While I have no interest delving into this issue, I merely
was pointing out, in my previous statement, that we often try pretend this stuff never went on.

BTW: Whatever happened with that Greg Strock case?

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Yeah, but he forgot add the part where the whole Olympic team was blood boosting...

Wrong.

By logic and / or admission there are *at least* 4 that did not blood boost.

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You aren't nearly smart-alecky enough to be a sprinter.

Am I "tricky" enough to be a climber? What the hell is someone who's 5'11" and 135 lb. supposed to
be good at, anyway?

-Sonarrat.

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You aren't nearly smart-alecky enough to be a sprinter.

Am I "tricky" enough to be a climber? What the hell is someone who's 5'11" and 135 lb. supposed to
be good at, anyway?

Rock-climbing.

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You aren't nearly smart-alecky enough to be a sprinter.

Am I "tricky" enough to be a climber? What the hell is someone who's 5'11" and 135 lb. supposed
to be good at, anyway?

Rock-climbing.

Well, that's no good, because I have no upper-body strength, unfortunately.

-Sonarrat.

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Rock-climbing.

Well, that's no good, because I have no upper-body strength, unfortunately.

-Sonarrat.

upper body strength isn't a true asset for rock climbers. Check out a climbing mag, the world class
ones look like cyclists.

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Rock-climbing.

Well, that's no good, because I have no upper-body strength,

unfortunately.

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-Sonarrat.

upper body strength isn't a true asset for rock climbers. Check out a climbing mag, the world
class ones look like cyclists.

Like cycling, it's mostly about power to weight ratio.