It can't be just me.

*does the cross thing with fingers*

Not another bents can/can't climb thread. :-)

Try searching on Google for this and you will get lots of hits and rehashed arguments.

Mikael

Mikael Seierup must be edykated coz e writed:

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*does the cross thing with fingers*

Not another bents can/can't climb thread. :-)

Try searching on Google for this and you will get lots of hits and rehashed arguments.

Mikael

Yep another one, I'll let all the non "benters" into a little secret, recumbents use a different
muscle set, after a while you can climb as well as a wedgie, sometimes a little slower, sometimes a
little faster, every week I usually pass a certain MTB rider locally on a long hill, everytime he
tries to race me, everytime he loses, he did once say the immortal words "I thought those things
couldn't do hills", and he is a competitive club rider. I was passed by a hybrid the other day on
the flat, I then passed him climbing a hill, at a junction at the top, he caught up then pedalled
hard down the other side, and was dismayed as I free wheeled past him, and that was on a 9 speed
Delta trike.

Ian

Mikael Seierup said:

*does the cross thing with fingers*

Not another bents can/can't climb thread. :-)

Please god no - that's why I posted on a 'bent group and not a general cycling group. I have
searched and not really found and answer to this
- that's all.

Quoted message said:

Try searching on Google for this and you will get lots of hits and rehashed arguments.

Mikael

<[email hidden]> skrev...

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"Mikael Seierup" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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Please god no - that's why I posted on a 'bent group and not a general cycling group. I have
searched and not really found and answer to this
- that's all.

groups.google.comgroupsOpen ↗
&lr=&hl=da

(link might need assembly) 3600 hits on "climb" from this newsgroup.

Heres the Google advanced search page groups.google.comadvanced group searchOpen ↗

Just put in alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent and you won't get hits from heathen DF groups. (You might get
my danish page but it comes in english too)

M.

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I have searched and not really found and answer to this
- that's all.

A few opinions:

* Yes, you can press more than your weight with your legs in the recumbent position. Do it very
long, though, and you'll blow out your knees.

* Even if you don't blow out your knees, I don't think you can maintain that 240lb press pace for
very long. Whereas it's comparatively less effort to jump up on the pedal and ride gravity down,
which is why competitive bikers do it.

* Most (NOT all) bents are significantly heavier than most (NOT all) upright bikes. (Due to many
reasons that vary by bike, but including longer chain, larger heavier seat, etc.) That weight
translates directly into increased effort required to haul the bike up the hill.

Certainly it's possible for bents to beat uprights going uphill. But I think it takes a
better-conditioned rider to push *most* bents uphill than it does to push *most* uprights uphill.

Gary

Yes - all true

I've done a load of reading which always came down to the "bent riders can't stand" this got me
wondering if I was unusual in the amount of weight I can leg press and if that would make a
difference. I used to ice skate 6 or so hours a day along with about 30 miles on a bike each day so
may have different muscle build than a "normal" bike rider.

That was all.

Everso

Mikael Seierup said:

<[email hidden]> skrev...

Quoted message said:

"Mikael Seierup" <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Please god no - that's why I posted on a 'bent group and not a general cycling group. I have
searched and not really found and answer to this
- that's all.

groups.google.comgroupsOpen ↗
lr=&hl=da

(link might need assembly) 3600 hits on "climb" from this newsgroup.

Heres the Google advanced search page groups.google.comadvanced group searchOpen ↗

Just put in alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent and you won't get hits from heathen DF groups. (You might
get my danish page but it comes in english too)

M.

That makes sense. Thanks

Now I'll shut up in the hope that this thread will die and not de-generate into an undignified
shouting match

Everso

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I have searched and not really found and answer to this
- that's all.

A few opinions:

* Yes, you can press more than your weight with your legs in the recumbent position. Do it very
long, though, and you'll blow out your knees.

* Even if you don't blow out your knees, I don't think you can maintain that 240lb press pace for
very long. Whereas it's comparatively less effort to jump up on the pedal and ride gravity down,
which is why competitive bikers do it.

* Most (NOT all) bents are significantly heavier than most (NOT all) upright bikes. (Due to many
reasons that vary by bike, but including longer chain, larger heavier seat, etc.) That weight
translates directly into increased effort required to haul the bike up the hill.

Certainly it's possible for bents to beat uprights going uphill. But I think it takes a
better-conditioned rider to push *most* bents uphill than it does to push *most* uprights uphill.

Gary

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That makes sense. Thanks

Now I'll shut up in the hope that this thread will die and not de-generate into an undignified
shouting match.

THAT would NEVER happen here on a.r.b.r. 😉

Tom Sherman - Quad Cities USA (Illinois side)

Arguing with an engineer is like mud wrestling with a pig... You soon find out the pig likes
it! - Unknown

"Mikael Seierup" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagede...

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<> Just put in alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent and you won't get hits from heathen

DF groups.

There you guys go again, staking the deck in your favour.

Do a search for posts by Jon Issac on this subject for the real answer.

I wish there was some way I could demonstrate to you just how powerfully a top cyclist like me can
climb, it would blow you away!

( this post was NOT spell checked )

Originally posted by Fabrizio Mazzol
"I wish there was some way I could demonstrate to you just how powerfully a top cyclist like me can climb.."

BoBo the circus monkey can climb the high wire while on a unicycle. Something you can never accomplish Fab. That makes BoBo much stronger than you and a superior climber.

You should go eat a banana Fab. Perhaps one day you will be almost as strong as BoBo the circus chimp.

Maybe not.

JetLegs

"Fabrizio Mazzoleni" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Mikael Seierup" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagede...

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<> Just put in alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent and you won't get hits from

heathen

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DF groups.

There you guys go again, staking the deck in your favour.

Do a search for posts by Jon Issac on this subject for the real answer.

I wish there was some way I could demonstrate to you just how powerfully a top cyclist like me can
climb, it would blow you away!

Mt. Washington 1975. ~90 mins. 18 yrs old, 120#. Raliegh Gran Prix with 14-28 5 speed freewheel.
Been there done that.

Tom Thompson

Fabrizio Mazzoleni said:

"Mikael Seierup" <[email hidden]> wrote in messagede...

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<> Just put in alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent and you won't get hits from heathen

DF groups.

There you guys go again, staking the deck in your favour.

Do a search for posts by Jon Issac on this subject for the real answer....

This would be the Jon Isaacs who has never ridden a recumbent bicycle but knows all about them from
observing others ride them. His opinions on recumbent bicycles should be considered with this
background in mind.

Tom Sherman - Quad Cities USA (Illinois side)

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This would be the Jon Isaacs who has never ridden a recumbent bicycle

but knows all about them from observing others ride them. His opinions on recumbent bicycles
should be considered with this background in mind.

Tom, I would listen to what Jon has to say if I were you, after all ol Jon went to college or
something and I think he reads books all the time.

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I have searched and not really found and answer to this
- that's all.

A few opinions:

* Yes, you can press more than your weight with your legs in the

recumbent

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position. Do it very long, though, and you'll blow out your knees.

* Even if you don't blow out your knees, I don't think you can maintain that 240lb press pace for
very long. Whereas it's comparatively less effort to jump up on the pedal and ride gravity down,
which is why competitive bikers do it.

* Most (NOT all) bents are significantly heavier than most (NOT all) upright bikes. (Due to many
reasons that vary by bike, but including longer chain, larger heavier seat, etc.) That weight
translates directly into increased effort required to haul the bike up the hill.

Certainly it's possible for bents to beat uprights going uphill. But I think it takes a
better-conditioned rider to push *most* bents uphill

than

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it does to push *most* uprights uphill.

My experience is contrary. I can climb considerably faster on my upright than on my recumbent even
when I remain seated and spin (and I'm not exactly slow on the recumbent). Even when I am
consciously not putting any pressure on the handlebar. For me, uprights climb faster.

one of the six billion said:

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Certainly it's possible for bents to beat uprights going uphill. But I think it takes a
better-conditioned rider to push *most* bents uphill than it does to push *most* uprights uphill.

My experience is contrary. I can climb considerably faster on my upright than on my recumbent even
when I remain seated and spin

How is that contrary? I said it's **possible** for bents to beat uprights, but in most cases the
upright will be faster due to weight, etc.

(And even if it WAS contrary to what I said, an individual anecdote does not invalidate a general
statement. "Most men are less than seven feet tall" is not false because of a few NBA stars. There
are exceptions to every rule.)

Gary

one of the six billion said:

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My experience is contrary. I can climb considerably faster on my upright than on my recumbent even
when I remain seated and spin (and I'm not exactly slow on the recumbent). Even when I am
consciously not putting any pressure on the handlebar. For me, uprights climb faster.

I do both as well and concur

Ian <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Mikael Seierup must be edykated coz e writed:

Quoted message said:

*does the cross thing with fingers*

Not another bents can/can't climb thread. :-)

Try searching on Google for this and you will get lots of hits and rehashed arguments.

Mikael

Yep another one, I'll let all the non "benters" into a little secret, recumbents use a different
muscle set, after a while you can climb as well as a wedgie, sometimes a little slower, sometimes
a little faster, every week I usually pass a certain MTB rider locally on a long hill, everytime
he tries to race me, everytime he loses, he did once say the immortal words "I thought those
things couldn't do hills", and he is a competitive club rider. I was passed by a hybrid the other
day on the flat, I then passed him climbing a hill, at a junction at the top, he caught up then
pedalled hard down the other side, and was dismayed as I free wheeled past him, and that was on a
9 speed Delta trike.

Ian

Hello Guys.. I just gave up trying to explain why I go up hills a little slower.Just let em stare as
they puff away!!! :-P Dave P Bike-E and several homebuilts

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one of the six billion said:

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My experience is contrary. I can climb considerably faster on my upright than on my recumbent
even when I remain seated and spin (and I'm not exactly slow on the recumbent). Even when I am
consciously not putting

any

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pressure on the handlebar. For me, uprights climb faster.

I do both as well and concur

I think most folks who ride both would probably agree. As far as the stand up pedal strokes are
concerned each DF rider has a daily allotment of them. DF riders need to sit and spin too and use
their allotment of stand up strokes wisely.

skip

If we are going to give this subject another ride, how about at least adding some additional
information; say, for example, rider size and weight. I wouldn't be surprised if the upright bike
hill climbing advantage over a recumbent was greater for small, light people than for larger,
heavier people.

Smaller people have a good power to weight ratio, but often don't have that much total power, so
they may not get far pushing into the seat and muscleing. OTOH some larger people can put out quite
a bit of power - more than lighter people - so with proper training, they may be able to minimize
the difference between bike styles.

johnriley1 (at) rogers.com