lacing patterns puzzle

Chalo quips

Quoted message said:

I guess "virtually" to you must mean "in the case
of a 26 inch or larger rim, a low-flanged hub,
and 32 or 36 spokes".

Since you are clearly unable and/or willing to follow direction: The
word VIRTUALLY is defined as - In effect; For all practical purposes;
Not fact.

And "cross 3 for everything" are your words not mine.

So let's see how you miss quote me and twist my words out of context
now.

There's an old saying Chalo that goes, "When you find yourself in a
hole, stop digging!" With that, the sand box is all yours.

Best Regards - Mike Baldwin

M-gineering aka Marten Gerritsen said:

Chalo said:

Michael Baldwin said:

SnD asks -
> what is more bombproof for the rear wheel : a
> cross 2, cross 3, anything else?
..I'm a KISS proponent...quality materials, workmanship and a cross 3
pattern will suffice for virtually every condition/situation PERIOD!...

If that's how you "keep it simple", then I recommend that you try to
lace a 20" rim to a Rohloff Speedhub using a cross-3 pattern. Your
outlook will develop some complexity!

Chalo

Nah, 16 spoked wheel laced 4X ! That will teach him 😉

How about this wheel by former rec.bicycles.tech regular Benjamin Lewis:
<http://sheldonbrown.com/mismatch/wheel3b.jpg>?

Blue hair is optional: <http://sheldonbrown.com/mismatch/index.htm>.

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Zog The Undeniable said:

Squat'n Dive said:

On Jan 2, 5:31 pm, daveornee <daveornee.32l...@no-

mx.forums.cyclingforums.com said:

Squat'n Dive Wrote:> what is more bombproof for the rear wheel : a
cross 2, cross 3,
> anything else?
How many spokes, what ERD Rim, and what diameter hub?

36, thinking of cxp-32 and an ultegra 6600 hub

3-cross is normal for that spoke count. Don't build 4-cross with 36
spokes (as recommended by the legendary Eugene Sloane) - it can be done,
but the rim/spoke angle is painful.

The rim/spoke angle is also "painful" on smaller diameter 3-cross
wheels, even with small flange hubs.

Quoted message said:

Likewise, save 2-cross for large
flange hubs and/or spoke counts of 28 and below.

Or small diameter wheels.

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Andrew Muzi said:

Zog The Undeniable said:

Squat'n Dive said:

On Jan 4, 6:41 am, Zog The Undeniable <[email hidden]> wrote:
> Tom Sherman wrote:
>> Squat'n Dive wrote:
>>> what is more bombproof for the rear wheel : a cross 2, cross 3,
>>> anything else?
>> A solid disc machined from an aluminium alloy billet.
Is that what is typically seen on TT bikes? i assume the cost is the
major drawback?
what are the others?

The discs you see in TTs are generally carbon fibre. They're still
not *that* light, but there are aerodynamic advantages, and when you
can "buy" 40 seconds' advantage for $1000, what's the point of
training? ;-)

One oddity was the Tioga Tension-Disk that John Tomac used to use for
MTB, although there was a road version too. That seemed to work as a
solid disc but didn't; it was similar to a spoked wheel in principle,
with the hub being laced to the rim using a long thread of kevlar.
This were embedded in a thin non-structural disc for protection,
aerodynamics, looks, whatever. Apparently they weren't hugely
reliable, but they occasionally show up on *bay, so at least some have
survived.

Sugino T-Disc were quite reliable, replacing 32 stainless spokes with
256 Kevlar spokes in a clear plastic matrix. It elegantly solved the
typical disc problem, lack of tension, in a format lighter even than 32
SS spokes.

I knew someone who simply covered his spokes with clear packing tape to
make wheel discs.

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On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:19:52 -0800 (PST), "Squat'n Dive"

may have said:

what is more bombproof for the rear wheel : a cross 2, cross 3,
anything else?

Bomproofing is more of a matter of component selection and spoke count
than lacing pattern, as long as you avoid radial or 1X on the drive
side. Hubs with crappy thin soft CNC flanges will fail before hubs
with decent forged flanges. Choose your parts with care; they must
get you home.

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Tom Sherman said:

I knew someone who simply covered his spokes with clear packing tape to
make wheel discs.

That works reasonably well, although it's not allowed in some TTs as it
constitutes a "fairing".