Lance Armstrong to open bike shop

[RonSonic]

On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 04:53:53 GMT, Michael Press <[email protected]> wrote:

>In article
><[email protected]>,
> datakoll <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> wong flick
>>
>> HIGH PLAINS DRIFTER
>
>If we're nominating there is
>
>Johnny Caspar: It's gettin' so a businessman can't expect
>no return from a fixed fight. Now, if you can't trust a
>fix, what can you trust? For a good return, you gotta go
>bettin' on chance--and then you're back with anarchy, right
>back in the jungle.

Another fight movie: FLandis could've stolen Bruce Dern's line from Diggstown, "
Ya beat me fair and square."

Ron

 

[datakoll]

YO Ron, yawl know of Howard Cosell?

 

[Tom Kunich]

"Michael Press" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Donald Munro <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Off The Back wrote:
>> > I think all truths about bike racing can be found in "The Good, the
>> > Bad,
>> > and the Ugly" with Clint Eastwood.
>>
>> Presumably Flandis is the ugly, so the question is who's the good and the
>> bad.
>
> Lance is the bad. I nominate Greg Lemonde for the Good.

Greg has been a ******** most of his life. Mind you, that doesn't bother me
since I was only interested in his bicycle racing. But pretending that he's
some sort of moral compass is pretty ridiculous.

 

[Tom Kunich]

"Ryan Cousineau" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:rcousine-71E4FF.21453821032008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
>> "Ryan Cousineau" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:rcousine-6093BF.23310520032008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]...
>> > In article <[email protected]>,
>> > "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> So do you believe Tim Krabbe to be an expert in these matters?
>> >
>> > Yes.
>> >
>> > So to sum up, I love racing, and would recommend it to everyone.
>>
>> Man, to think that somehow you correlate an amateur race with a pro race.
>
> You've trimmed my post, so what amateur race did I "correlate" with a
> pro race?

That race in Tim's book was an amateur race.

 

[datakoll]

ONCE UPON A TIME,
there was fighter name of Paterson who fought that other boxer and
beatum
but the judges gave the decision to Ali.
So Howard struts over to a very tired Paterson, sticks the mic in his
face and sez:


all you could do to keep from reaching into the TV and bashing Cosell
a good one upside his head.

 

[Ryan Cousineau]

In article <[email protected]>,
"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:

> "Ryan Cousineau" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:rcousine-71E4FF.21453821032008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]...
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> >
> >> "Ryan Cousineau" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:rcousine-6093BF.23310520032008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]...
> >> > In article <[email protected]>,
> >> > "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> So do you believe Tim Krabbe to be an expert in these matters?
> >> >
> >> > Yes.
> >> >
> >> > So to sum up, I love racing, and would recommend it to everyone.
> >>
> >> Man, to think that somehow you correlate an amateur race with a pro race.
> >
> > You've trimmed my post, so what amateur race did I "correlate" with a
> > pro race?
>
> That race in Tim's book was an amateur race.

The racing I described in the rest of my post was also, at least
primarily, amateur racing. I thought that was clear. Perhaps you'll
requote my post to me to remind me of the deficit you found.

I think most of the same sensations absolutely translate to pro racing.
The motivations and the consequences and (maybe the only thing) the
money are key differences.

--
Ryan Cousineau [email protected] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls."
"In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them."

 

[Michael Press]

In article <[email protected]>,
"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:

> "Michael Press" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > Donald Munro <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> Off The Back wrote:
> >> > I think all truths about bike racing can be found in "The Good, the
> >> > Bad,
> >> > and the Ugly" with Clint Eastwood.
> >>
> >> Presumably Flandis is the ugly, so the question is who's the good and the
> >> bad.
> >
> > Lance is the bad. I nominate Greg Lemonde for the Good.
>
> Greg has been a ******** most of his life. Mind you, that doesn't bother me
> since I was only interested in his bicycle racing. But pretending that he's
> some sort of moral compass is pretty ridiculous.

Yep. I got the ahrony level set just right.

--
Michael Press

 

[Donald Munro]

Michael Press wrote:
> Yep. I got the ahrony level set just right.

But your calibration device was reading couplescompany.com.

 

[Fred Fredburger]

Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
>> "Ryan Cousineau" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:rcousine-85FB07.17530920032008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]...
>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>> "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>>>> I loved the feel of a fast moving pack and I liked helping, even leading
>>>> out, our team sprinter. But that doesn't mean that I should somehow have
>>>> felt the need to win what is in essence a bicycle ride.
>>> That said...
>>>
>>> "Road racing imitates life, the way it would be without the corruptive
>>> influence of civilization. When you seen an enemy lying on the ground,
>>> what's your first reaction? To help him to his feet. In road racing you
>>> kick him to death." - Tim Krabbe, The Rider
>> So do you believe Tim Krabbe to be an expert in these matters?
>
> Yes.
>
> I have not read widely in the field of cycling literature, but I have
> read a fair bit of literature. Krabbe's novel is one of the truest books
> I have read in ways large and small, and his fictionalization of a bike
> race is so sufficient that I feel no other document is necessary to
> describe the essence of amateur racing.
>
> http://www.rapha.cc/index.php?page=420
>
>> I rode with a group with whom I was always 300 yards behind going as hard as
>> I could to catch up. Whenever I got close enough to be part of the group
>> they sped up.
>>
>> After racing for 3 years I was much faster than all of them but I would
>> simply ride with the group since that was my desire.
>>
>> Now that I've been out of racing for 10 years and that fitness is well and
>> truly gone, I find everyone else riding the same way they did when I
>> started.
>
> The themes of road racing are cruelty and suffering. When you are really
> in the race, you will be suffering. If you are lucky, the other guy is
> suffering more. When you are sure that is the case, you attack, because
> the weak must be eliminated from the pack.
>
> But always, there is suffering. You try to minimize your own pain, but
> it is literal, and if you have half a brain, it will be overwhelming.
> You should just give up. But as I once read in NYCVelocity, all bike
> racers are mental.
>
> To be spit out the pack is the worst pain of all, and the agony of
> failure is all that keeps most riders suffering along.
>
> In my own racing, I haven't really become inured to the suffering. In
> many of my most successful races, I have gone through a period when the
> race was clearly too hard for me, when I went into a funk that was like
> depression, and when I understood that the amount of suffering going on
> was ridiculously disproportionate to the ludicrous task of winning a
> Tuesday night crit, and that it would be okay to stop trying.
>
> Then I got better, and in some cases I won. Because everybody else was
> suffering too.
>
> Bike racing is not for everyone. It is mental. The riders are, too. Some
> people who ride bikes do not have the temprament for racing, or the
> interest, or the ability. They are the lucky ones. The only thing that
> keeps it the least bit sensible is that it doesn't matter, and that it's
> wonderful.
>
> As for TTs, they are of course a ridiculous parody of bike racing: all
> the suffering, but with only a stopwatch as your adversary. It hurts,
> but there is no winner.
>
> So to sum up, I love racing, and would recommend it to everyone.
>

Nicely said.